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Evolution at this point is a scientific fact. The only discrepancy is the origin of human reasoning. Putting aside this oddity in the application of natural selection leading to the origin of species, how can we neglect that macroevolution of nonhuman species is false?

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This is exactly it. And...Christians face a similar dilemma. To be fair, and to be logically consistent...its either an all in deal (all life, including humans, evolved in some way shape or form), or it is an all nothing deal (common descent as a whole is completely false).

And, it is a tough spot to be in. And people do not want to be in this spot, so sometimes a blind eye is turned when discussing the evolution of people.

In my opinion, all I can really do is, stand with what is apparent (what is confidently understood through science). And where there are discrepancies between that science and faith (or perhaps falsely perceived discrepancies), we have to be willing to say...ya know, there are some things that only God understands". We have reason to support a position of recognizing human evolution. And what comes beyond that, will be debated for a long time, and that's just the way it will be.

We could only hope that, others are aware of why we stand with what is apparent, and we could only hope that they are willing to say "ya know, i see what you mean, I'm willing to look past this dispute and we can be brothers anyway". Because ultimately, what we believe in, likely isn't going to affect our ability to pay the bills or to be a good parent or friend etc.

It's just a question of how "open minded" someone is, how well people will respond to the topic. Some people might agree, some people might disagree but might not care either way, and other people might both disagree and care a lot. So, we just have to be careful how we interact with people, when talking about controversial topics. We dont want to offend or hurt people, but simultaneously we should be clear in our position. Same with discussing other things like politics and other topics of religion.

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2 hours ago, Guest Mohammed said:

Evolution at this point is a scientific fact. The only discrepancy is the origin of human reasoning. Putting aside this oddity in the application of natural selection leading to the origin of species, how can we neglect that macroevolution of nonhuman species is false?

depends on what you mean by evolution. and fun fact: by definition of a fact, evolution can never be a fact.

but keeping that aside, micro-evolution is a fact. nobody has any problem with that. macro-evolution isnt a fact, because a lot of theories besides evolution use the same data set and observations to come to different conclusions. the most we as muslims can accept, even though there is no evidence for it, is that macro evolution exists in non humans. but like i said, there is no good evidence for it. 

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Some claim to believe in God. These people find the statement "God created all of life" is unscientific, and yet are quite able to believe instead the statement, "It came about in an unconscious process consisting of billions of miraculous coincidences" is scientific.

If you put a carved stone or wooden idol in front of these people and told them, "Look, this idol created this room and everything in it" they would say that was utterly stupid and refuse to believe it. Yet despite that they declare the nonsense that "The unconscious process known as chance gradually brought this world and all the billions of wonderful living things in it into being with enormous planning" to be the greatest scientific explanation.

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@hoskot

Many propose that God has had his hand in the process the whole time. It is not a scientific claim, but is also not the same as calling it "unconscious". And that God has created the process and used it in our development. As oppose to literally having a mans rib bone turn into a woman, or a man being made of soil.

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