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On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 11:09 PM, Mohamed1993 said:

Lol, both extremes suck tbh. Much of the anti-imperialist/anti-war left in the west is pro-communist, I don't really think they'll fancy living under communism though, it just becomes state tyranny over corporate tyranny.

How is capitalism bad? l know there is craissez faire free-for-all irresponsible stuff, but what else?

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3 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

How is capitalism bad? l know there is craissez faire free-for-all irresponsible stuff, but what else?

Rich can exploit the poor, corporations can buy their way out of everything and get massive tax breaks while your average salary bloke ends up paying larger than his share, inequality between rich and poor grows. US foreign policy apart from being influenced by lobbyists that represent foreign governments is also heavily influenced by oil&gas companies, financial industry and the weapons industry that need wars so that their weapons get sold. All these elements are able to get politicians to go so far because of unbridled capitalism that values access to capital over people. 

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On 11/7/2017 at 11:49 PM, E.L King said:

Indeed, but one extreme sucks more imo. 19th Century US was apparently the closest to a pure capitalist society we have ever got, and I would rather live there than basically any communist society that ever existed.

Soviet Union was not really communist.  In fact it was more state capitalist than communist.  The US also has never been anywhere close to pure capitalism. 

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15 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Rich can exploit the poor, Who works for "rich people"? Corporations, debt and inflation exploit about everybody.

...corporations can buy their way out of everything and get massive tax breaks while your average salary bloke ends up paying larger than his share...,  ALL Taxes are passed along down the line to the individual.

...inequality between rich and poor grows.Some people are good at making money. Most people do not.

... US foreign policy apart from being influenced by lobbyists that represent foreign governments is also heavily influenced by oil&gas companies, financial industry and the weapons industry that need wars so that their weapons get sold. lt is all guns, oil a biblical fantasies.

...All these elements are able to get politicians to go so far because of unbridled capitalism that values access to capital over people. Do NOT agree. Politicians will take money and favors from anybody.

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5 hours ago, King said:

Soviet Union was not really communist.  In fact it was more state capitalist than communist.  The US also has never been anywhere close to pure capitalism. 

So you wouldn't call 19th Century America the most capitalist society since the industrial era?

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Somewhere in between both. Promise the rewards of capitalism for all regardless of race, gender or religion with a strong wage and a right to an adequate living that is provided for all people in the world. 

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12 hours ago, hasanhh said:

How is capitalism bad? l know there is craissez faire free-for-all irresponsible stuff, but what else?

Unfettered capitalism is only bad if there is also greed and a lack of compassion. 

So pretty much any time humans are involved. 

 

Communism is only bad when there is greed and lack of compassion....

 

So my vote is for neither. I think we should have a socialist safety net so everyone's got access to basic human needs, and then let the market take care of the rest. Let the rich be rich if they want, but not at the expense of everyone else. 

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17 hours ago, notme said:

Unfettered capitalism is only bad if there is also greed and a lack of compassion. What do you mean by "unfettered"? And l always have a 'compassion' for money.

So pretty much any time humans are involved.  There is no money with out humans. A chimp is going to sell me a banana?

 

Communism is only bad when there is greed and lack of compassion....   In American idiomatic expression: What? Gov't is gooder than baby J ?

 

So my vote is for neither. With the belief system you expressed, l do hope you do not vote at all.  :D

I think we should have a socialist safety net so everyone's got access to basic human needs, and then let the market take care of the rest. Ehhhh?

Let the rich be rich if they want, ...   :clap:

...but not at the expense of everyone else. What? Poor people go around giving their money to rich people? Rich people had something to sell.

Yarrabi. Save US from them thar tree-hugging, pinko-progressives.

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4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Yarrabi. Save US from them thar tree-hugging, pinko-progressives.

No old man, I vote. I and my generation are the now. The future is even more pink than I am. 

Why do you hate trees and progress? 

And why aren't conservatives conservationists? 

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16 hours ago, notme said:

No old man, I vote.      . :cry:"The Horror...the Horror."

 I and my generation are the now wannabes

 The future is even more pink than I am. Ahamduallah, l won't live to see such socialist charades.

Why do you hate trees and progress? Example: you cannot hate trees and progress if you are in the limber business. Dichotomies like this illustrate the pomposity of pinko-progressives.

And why aren't conservatives conservationists? Because you are mixing metaphors based on homonyms.

As l wrote before:

 

21 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Yarrabi. Save US from them thar tree-hugging, pinko-progressives.

 

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4 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Yarrabi, deliver us from the evils of people believing in Cold War propaganda and impeding on the right to more stable and social America.

Exactly. Them thar pinkos always take the socialist side as if gov't was created gooder than baby J.

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3 hours ago, E.L King said:

Right, and Islam does not encourage a man to rely on welfare.

Correct. But it is wajib on Muslims to feed and shelter their community's poor. I don't know if it is wajib, but I'd also feel uncomfortable being rich and knowing that my neighbor needed education or medical care and could not afford it. 

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3 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Exactly. Them thar pinkos always take the socialist side as if gov't was created gooder than baby J.

I've repeatedly said the government is evil, so I must not be one of those "pinkos" you refer to. I just think it's disgraceful that people are born into poverty and unable to live to their potential in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. The world has a finite amount of resources. Those who make the claim that rich people getting richer makes poor people richer too are lacking in logic. Rich people getting richer makes everyone else poorer. 

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3 hours ago, E.L King said:

Right, and Islam does not encourage a man to rely on welfare.

Obviously, but if a person is disabled, then I believe in an islamic country, there would be provisions to help him/her, as well as the sick who can't afford to pay for decent healthcare, as well as an orphaned child who can't afford to get an education without assistance financially. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

I've repeatedly said the government is evil, so I must not be one of those "pinkos" you refer to. I just think it's disgraceful that people are born into poverty and unable to live to their potential in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. The world has a finite amount of resources. Those who make the claim that rich people getting richer makes poor people richer too are lacking in logic. Rich people getting richer makes everyone else poorer. 

l do not agree. Many people l grew up knowing were born in the 19-teens, 20s and 30s. During the Depression, anybody who did have a little money coming-in was afraid to spend it --even on their own children. Ever hear of a "shoe-bootie"? A "bowl cut"? Sewn rags?

But what they all did have was free public education. They lived to their potentials.

So why can't "your" poor?

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