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What Qira'at do Twelvers use?

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Hafas-an-Asem is popular among Twelvers  and all reading is also approved.

http://www.islamweb.net/en/

http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=rewayat&rewaya=1

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Two readings were reported from 'Asim: The famous one is Hafs, the other one is Shu'ba. Hafs was 'Asim's step-son and it is believed that he didn't differ from him in his reading of the Quran. 'Asim also retained the reading of his teacher Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami and it reported that the latter had read the Quran out to the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. The case can therefore be made that the reading of Hafs is exactly the same as the reading of 'Ali which he inherited from the Prophet to the very last dot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira'at

 

Examples of readings from Ḥafs and Warsh[edit]

 

رواية ورش عن نافع رواية حفص عن عاصم Ḥafs Warsh  
يَعْمَلُونَ تَعْمَلُونَ you do they do Al-Baqara 2:85
مَا تَنَزَّلُ مَا نُنَزِّلُ we do not send down... they do not come down... Al-Ḥijr 15:8
قُل قَالَ he said say! Al-Anbiyā' 21:4
كَثِيرًا كَبِيرًا mighty multitudinous Al-Aḥzāb 33:68
بِمَا فَبِمَا then it is what it is what Al-Shura 42:30
نُدْخِلْهُ يُدْخِلْهُ he makes him enter we make him enter Al-Fatḥ 48:17
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On ‎7‎-‎11‎-‎2017 at 7:25 PM, Ron_Burgundy said:

well i don't understand arabic so whats the point  of reading it in arabic? 

If so then what's the point in you participating in this topic anyway?

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Reading in Arabic  make muslims unite because all of them will use same language if just want rely on translation there will be more separation between muslims I know learning of it at first is difficult but nowadays everybody has access to many sources for learning of basis of Arabic Language if you just learn basis of it it will very helpful for everyone

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On ‎7‎-‎11‎-‎2017 at 10:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Two readings were reported from 'Asim: The famous one is Hafs, the other one is Shu'ba. Hafs was 'Asim's step-son and it is believed that he didn't differ from him in his reading of the Quran. 'Asim also retained the reading of his teacher Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami and it reported that the latter had read the Quran out to the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. The case can therefore be made that the reading of Hafs is exactly the same as the reading of 'Ali which he inherited from the Prophet to the very last dot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira'at

 

Examples of readings from Ḥafs and Warsh[edit]

 

رواية ورش عن نافع رواية حفص عن عاصم Ḥafs Warsh  
يَعْمَلُونَ تَعْمَلُونَ you do they do Al-Baqara 2:85
مَا تَنَزَّلُ مَا نُنَزِّلُ we do not send down... they do not come down... Al-Ḥijr 15:8
قُل قَالَ he said say! Al-Anbiyā' 21:4
كَثِيرًا كَبِيرًا mighty multitudinous Al-Aḥzāb 33:68
بِمَا فَبِمَا then it is what it is what Al-Shura 42:30
نُدْخِلْهُ يُدْخِلْهُ he makes him enter we make him enter Al-Fatḥ 48:17

Do you have the source of the text in bold?

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From him came two readings called as-Sûsi and ad-Dûrî.

Qirâʾa from Basrah: From Basrah, the reading known as Yaʿqûb Ibn Ishâq al-Hadramî the companion of Shuʿbah (again). He reported from Abû ʿAmr and others.[18]

Qirâ'a from Kûfah:The reading of ʿĀsim Ibn Abî an-Najûd (ʿAasim Ibn Bahdalah Ibn Abî an-Najûd): He died in 127 or 128 H. He reported from Abû ʿAbd ar-Raḥmân as-Solammî and Zirr Ibn Hubaysh. Abû ʿAbd ar-Rahmân reported from ʿUthmân and ʿAlî Ibn Abî Tâlib and 'Ubayy (Ibn Kacb) and Zayd (Ibn Thâbit). And Zirr reported from Ibn Masʿud.

Two readings were reported from 'Asim: The famous one is Hafs, the other one is Shu'ba. Hafs was 'Asim's step-son and it is believed that he didn't differ from him in his reading of the Quran. 'Asim also retained the reading of his teacher Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami and it reported that the latter had read the Quran out to the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. The case can therefore be made that the reading of Hafs is exactly the same as the reading of 'Ali which he inherited from the Prophet to the very last dot.[12]

12  New Light on the Collection and Authenticity of the Qur'an: The Case for the Existence of a Master Copy and how it Relates to the Reading of Hafs ibn Sulayman from 'Asim ibn Abi al-Nujud, By Ahmed El-Wakil: [1][2]

1:https://muse.jhu.edu/article/612401

2:http://www.academia.edu/23738223/New_Light_on_the_Collection_and_Authenticity_of_the_Quran_The_Case_for_the_Existence_of_a_Master_Copy_and_how_it_Relates_to_the_Reading_of_Hafs_ibn_Sulayman_from_Asim_ibn_Abi_al_Nujud

2: 2/41 pageno 409,..

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I had no possibility to verify it yet but I read somewhere that the warsh version do not consider the Basmallah to be a part of al-Fatiha.

Is there anyone who can comfirm/dismiss this claim?

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16 hours ago, AnotherShepherd said:

Salaat and listening to recitation. 

Well i do offer salah and i prefer to read or listen to quran in english, because quran is here for so we could learn from it. its food for our mind. I know many people who read it arabic but they have no clue what they are reading. 

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13 hours ago, Ron_Burgundy said:

Well i do offer salah and i prefer to read or listen to quran in english, because quran is here for so we could learn from it. its food for our mind. I know many people who read it arabic but they have no clue what they are reading. 

That's why learning and learning to understand Arabic as well is so important.

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I think Twelvers don't know much about Qirats for some weird reason... They just read whatever Qirat is available to them and sometimes no Qirat at all and never bothered to learn about Qirats... If you ask them which is the most authentic Qirat recited by Imam Ali or the Ahl Al Bayt they stumble.

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Hafs and Warsh is the most common form of recitation in the Muslim world. Even Wahhabis use it... And you can find it at every corner.. If Twelvers think this is the most authentic Qirat it shows that their school never really cared about it.

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On 11/7/2017 at 8:32 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Examples of readings from Ḥafs and Warsh[edit]

رواية ورش عن نافع رواية حفص عن عاصم Ḥafs Warsh  
يَعْمَلُونَ تَعْمَلُونَ you do they do Al-Baqara 2:85
مَا تَنَزَّلُ مَا نُنَزِّلُ we do not send down... they do not come down... Al-Ḥijr 15:8
قُل قَالَ he said say! Al-Anbiyā' 21:4
كَثِيرًا كَبِيرًا mighty multitudinous Al-Aḥzāb 33:68
بِمَا فَبِمَا then it is what it is what Al-Shura 42:30
نُدْخِلْهُ يُدْخِلْهُ he makes him enter we make him enter Al-Fatḥ 48:17

So according to the above table, the text is ACTUALLY different.

Is that correct?

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On 11/17/2017 at 5:52 PM, SunniBrother said:

Hafs and Warsh is the most common form of recitation in the Muslim world. Even Wahhabis use it... And you can find it at every corner.. If Twelvers think this is the most authentic Qirat it shows that their school never really cared about it.

Brother, is the difference only in recitation or also in text?

If in text, then it means we have many different Qurans. 

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28 minutes ago, baqar said:

So according to the above table, the text is ACTUALLY different.

Is that correct?

they have differences but in conclusion have same meaning also it recommend to read any Qira'at but Hafs is more popular because it backs to Imam Ali (عليه السلام) teachings but all Imams (عليه السلام) accepted all Qira'ats

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

they have differences but in conclusion have same meaning also it recommend to read any Qira'at but Hafs is more popular because it backs to Imam Ali (عليه السلام) teachings but all Imams (عليه السلام) accepted all Qira'ats

Salam brother 

But the actual REVELATION cannot be both.

It can only be one of the two.

Which one is it? 

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30 minutes ago, baqar said:

Salam brother 

But the actual REVELATION cannot be both.

It can only be one of the two.

Which one is it? 

all of them

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1 hour ago, baqar said:

That cannot be, brother.

Angel Gabriel must have brought ONLY one of the two. 

:salam:

I tend to agree with you.

It is known that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) when reading ayat al Noor, used to recite 'Allah nawwarus samawati wal ardh' instead of 'Allah noor us samawati wal ardh'.

Meaning 'Allah enlighted the skies and Earth', not 'Allah is the light of the skies and Earth'.

Does this Qirat fit into an accepted Qirat ?

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44 minutes ago, realizm said:

:salam:

I tend to agree with you.

It is known that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) when reading ayat al Noor, used to recite 'Allah nawwarus samawati wal ardh' instead of 'Allah noor us samawati wal ardh'.

Meaning 'Allah enlighted the skies and Earth', not 'Allah is the light of the skies and Earth'.

Does this Qirat fit into an accepted Qirat ?

Thank you, brother.

Was Salam 

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Zaidi use Hafs mostly as it's the most popular. But hadith point to qalun bei g the most authentic.

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:28 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hafas-an-Asem is popular among Twelvers  and all reading is also approved.

http://www.islamweb.net/en/

http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=rewayat&rewaya=1

Ayatollah Khoei adopts a very strong position and establishes the fact that the Imams of Ahlul Bait ((عليه السلام)) were in a firm opinion that the Quran was revealed with one style of Qira’ah and not different styles.

 

So not true 

We only accept one way and not 7

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There is big difference between Qira'aat and Ahruf. Qira'aat are ways of reciting the same words of Quran according to the axon of different Arab tribes. Qira'aat keep the meaning same with slight different way of pronouncing the words .

 

Ahruf (plural of Harf) means different wordings. This claim of Ahruf was condemned by Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) who clearly said that Quran was sent from One Allah, on One Prophet, through One Angle and on one word not more.

 

From al-Fudhail Ibn Yasaar said: I told Abi Abdillah (Al-Sadiq (عليه السلام).): People say that Quran was revealed on seven Ahruf (words). He said: They are liars, enemies f Allah. Quran was revealed on One Word from The One . (Kitab Al-Kaafi).

 

We do not believe in more than one Harf of Quran which means one wordings not more. Different wordings means different meanings which is false claim.

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Imam Ali holy shrine holding online Khatm Al-Quran

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According to quran.imamali.net, in this program, Quran recitations by a number of eminent Qaris of Najaf are recorded at the holy shrine of Imam Ali (عليه السلام).

The program is produced in cooperation with the Quranic circles branch affiliated to the Quran Center of the Astan.

Abdulhadi Al-Abedi, head of the branch, said that the Quranic programs of the satellite channel include weekly Quranic sessions and monthly Khatm Al-Quran programs that have been received very well.

https://en.abna24.com/news//imam-ali-holy-shrine-holding-online-khatm-al-quran_1080912.html

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Salam @MohammadAli1993 the link of https://quran.imamali.net/#link provides current Qiraat that is reciting by shias in Iraq with some recitations of well known Iraqi reciter specially reciters of holy Quran from Najaf.

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