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3 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Qur'an mentioned one who has knowledge of the book and he is the witness of prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). Qur'an also mentions the giving of zakat in the state of ruku' without naming anyone. Qur'an has also mentioned those when calamity befalls upon them them say "inna lillahe wa inna elaihe raje'oon" without naming anyone. And we know very well who is the person in these three examples. 

Yes we do thanks to ....wait for it 

Tafsir hadith and seerah / history without them it cannot be proven who thst person was 

So thats what I said a few posts back 

 

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Another reference from Qur'an is the verse of chapter 18:

فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِّنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِندِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِن لَّدُنَّا عِلْمًا
18:65

In this story, the point is when Hazrat Khidr is mentioning the ta'veel of his actions to Prophet Musa ((عليه السلام)) and said the following words in the end:

رَحْمَةً مِّن رَّبِّكَ وَمَا فَعَلْتُهُ عَنْ أَمْرِي
18:82

How he has said that he has not done anything on his own accord? He did hole in the boat, killed a child, repaired a wall, for making hole in the boat he used the word فَأَرَدْتُ (I wished), for killing of child he used the word فَأَرَدْنَا (we desired) and for repairing of wall he used the word فَأَرَادَ رَبُّكَ (Your Lord desired). This is the most interesting event, how the unity in the desires of servant, servant & Lord , and Lord appeared from this blessed verse. And how this divine knowledge helping him to maintain communication with his Lord, that Prophet like Musa ((عليه السلام)) Kaleemullah did not even knew and unable to get smell of it. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Ayatullah Tabatabai also discussed beautifully on these verses. 

Have not read his discussion, would be nice if you could put that up as well . 

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5 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Qur'an mentioned one who has knowledge of the book and he is the witness of prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). Qur'an also mentions the giving of zakat in the state of ruku' without naming anyone. Qur'an has also mentioned those when calamity befalls upon them them say "inna lillahe wa inna elaihe raje'oon" without naming anyone. And we know very well who is the person in these three examples. 

 

Ok so what? This is a Shia forum. Most of us believe in Ali's status, his noble role in establishing Islam,  and he was the Prophet's right hand man. But im not going to worship him, I'm not going to call out his name for help.

Im not going to lie about him or give him divine attributes. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Fink said:

 

Ok so what? This is a Shia forum. Most of us believe in Ali's status, his noble role in establishing Islam,  and he was the Prophet's right hand man. But im not going to worship him, I'm not going to call out his name for help.

Im not going to lie about him or give him divine attributes. 

 

:hahaha: who told you to worship him or give him divine attributes?

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 55: إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ Only Allah is your Vali and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow. (English - Shakir) 

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Just now, Salsabeel said:

:hahaha: who told you to worship him or give him divine attributes?

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 55: إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ Only Allah is your Vali and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow. (English - Shakir) 

Ok good I'm glad we agree :D

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2 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Another reference from Qur'an is the verse of chapter 18:

فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِّنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِندِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِن لَّدُنَّا عِلْمًا
18:65

In this story, the point is when Hazrat Khidr is mentioning the ta'veel of his actions to Prophet Musa ((عليه السلام)) and said the following words in the end:

رَحْمَةً مِّن رَّبِّكَ وَمَا فَعَلْتُهُ عَنْ أَمْرِي
18:82

How he has said that he has not done anything on his own accord? He did hole in the boat, killed a child, repaired a wall, for making hole in the boat he used the word فَأَرَدْتُ (I wished), for killing of child he used the word فَأَرَدْنَا (we desired) and for repairing of wall he used the word فَأَرَادَ رَبُّكَ (Your Lord desired). This is the most interesting event, how the unity in the desires of servant, servant & Lord , and Lord appeared from this blessed verse. And how this divine knowledge helping him to maintain communication with his Lord, that Prophet like Musa ((عليه السلام)) Kaleemullah did not even knew and unable to get smell of it. 

 

Interesting observation with the I, we, He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

 

It also demonstrates that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gives knowledge to whom He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) wills, when He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) wills and however much He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) wills.

It shows Musa's [a] nature in that:

a] He [a] was overcome hence kept breaking the pact of patience

b] He [a] doesn't have ilm-e-ghaib, only that which Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) had given and was yet to give

 

They are all just Allah's (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) abds who must act as or within what has been commanded:

[72:26] The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,

[72:27] Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,

[72:28] So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.

 

In the end, All praise is due to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) only.

Fi Amanillah

Edited by Jaane Ya Ali

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