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Dear brothers and sisters, assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah.

This is my first post here. I am glad to join "ShiaChat" and I hope this forum will help me learn and understand more about the teachings of the Noble Prophet and his ahlul-bayt, peace be upon them.

My first question pertains to homosexuality. My question is not whether or not homosexual acts are haram. I am aware that homosexual acts are unambiguously forbidden in Islam; as the Quran and the ahadith (from both Sunni and Shia sources) condemn homosexual acts in very clear terms. My question is: As Muslims, and more particularly as Shia Muslims, how should we understand homosexuality?

Scientific research shows that people who are attracted to the same sex develop their orientation before their born. In other words, homosexuality (I am talking about the tendency and the inclination, and not the act) is not a choice, but a destiny. Is science right in saying this? If science isn't right, where is the counter-evidence?

If science is right, and homosexuality is indeed a sexual orientation, why is it not treated as such in our sacred books? My impression is that the Quran and the ahadith mention sodomy as a sinful action but make no reference to homosexuality as a sexual orientation or a complete identity. The whole concept of sexual orientation seems to absent from our scriptures and religious literature.

Furthermore, if we accept the scientific research (which we must accept unless conclusive counter-evidence is provided), how does this cohere with God's Justice and Mercy? Why would Allah, who is both Merciful and Just, place homosexual desires in the hearts of some of His servants; and then punish them for acting on those desires, and condemn them to a loveless life? By contrast, sexual desire directed towards the opposite sex can be halalified much more easily (through permanent marriages, and in the context of Shia Islam, temporary marriages).

Lastly, in your opinion, what would be the best way to explain the Islamic stance on homosexuality, and the reason acts of sodomy were made haram, to a non-Muslim and non-religious person, on purely rational grounds and without reference to scripture?

Many thanks for reading. I'll await your replies. JazakumuLlahu khayran.

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9 hours ago, LeoDei said:

Scientific research shows that people who are attracted to the same sex develop their orientation before their born. In other words, homosexuality (I am talking about the tendency and the inclination, and not the act) is not a choice, but a destiny. Is science right in saying this? If science isn't right, where is the counter-evidence?

I think this is disputed to say the least. Also think about it, when you were say 5 or 6, who was interested in any gender? the boys were playing football and the girls arguing :)

Its only after puberty these desires become apparent. I find it hard to accept that the environmental factors of childhood have no part to play. 

However, lets put all that aside, and assume your right. Lets imagine a girl is genetically such that she is attracted to women.  Does she have to act on that? Does she have to live that way? 

What if it turns out lying or selfishness is also genetic. Now what do we say? That its ok because they are inclined to it?

I think though the issue oh homosexuality does challenge our generation and we need to come up with a rational discussion that is both true to our beliefs, but also fair to those who are facing these issues. 

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salam brother. i will give you two answers.

1. people claiming that homosexuality is natural or in their genes, is no different that someone claiming they have a born alcoholic. that was the simple answer. to elaborate, science hasnt yet proven that homosexuality is something natural. and i believe it never will. on the contrary, i can show you research that homosexuals can lead a pretty normal heterosexual life if they wanted to. this is just them following their desires, taking part of the religion and rejecting some part. trying to justify their sins. even the non religious people are just following the herd and saying all pro homo things to go with the flow.

2. suppose science does prove it. 2 ways we can view it. 1. science is wrong. which is very much possible. or 2. if someone sticks to science, even though they shouldnt, then i say, okay. it is natural. so? even normal sexual desires are natural. but are we just allowed to follow them any way? no. we need to get married and only then can we fulfill our desires. and then, if that person is a muslim, i would say that Allah swt says in the quran that he doesnt burden a soul more than it can bear. so, the only reason a certain person has these desires naturally is because that certain person is the only one who has the ability to overcome this desire, which is why Allah swt tested him with this. simple as that. hope this helps.

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