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Why do some Shias say Ya Ali Madad 

Do you not seek guidance strictly from Allah as Rasulalah s.a.w did the same. Ali a.s was a human being and not a Wahi since Prophet Mohammad s.a.w is the final Messenger.

What is the belief behind this chant

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Holy Prophet (sawa) was the final messenger and seal of prophets but that didn't stop the guidance in the form of divine representatives by Allah. For us, Shias, we believe there were 12 guides/leaders after Holy Prophet (sawa) for mankind. They were humans but infallibles. 

Seeking help from Holy Prophet (sawa)  or Imam Ali (a.s.) is absolutely normal. We even ask help from our friends and strangers let alone seeking help from an infallible and Hujjatullah (Proof of Allah). 

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1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Seeking help from Holy Prophet (sawa)  or Imam Ali (a.s.) is absolutely normal. We even ask help from our friends and strangers let alone seeking help from an infallible and Hujjatullah (Proof of Allah). 

And can you name any reason why would one ask Imam Ali (as) instead of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى?

We ask friends because they are near us but now Imams are no closer than Allah and they can hear us only if Allah allows them.

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6 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Next time you're ill don't go to doctor, ask help from Allah. 

So what is the point? Sorry I cannot see it. Do you think Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى doesn't know something that Imam Ali (as) knows or cannot do smth Imam Ali could do? Or you think Ali has more mercy than Allah? Or what?

Either way calling someone for help in your pray except Allah seems too close to a ghuli shirk. I am not going to accuse you or something, but since that is the only sin which Allah doesn't forgive one should try to avoid it at all costs. Anything Imam Ali can (possibly) do for you is done only by will of Allah.

Just imo.

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On 10/22/2017 at 7:48 PM, Guest Hassan said:

Anything Imam Ali can (possibly) do for you is done only by will of Allah.

On similar lines, when you ask help from someone other than Allah, remember that Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is better capable of helping you out. Whatever Imam Ali (a.s.) can help is according to the will of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى. 

Shirk, as you say, is attributing partner to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى, whereas asking something from Ahlulbait (ams) is not associating anyone with Him. 

For better understanding: 

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Tawassul

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The problem with the modern Shia doctrine of tawassul  (as they call it) is that in it's essence it contradicts a far older concept called husn al-zhan billah - which is basically having a good impression of Allah,  believing in His mercy, that when you ask, He gives, when you repent, He forgives etc. 

That are even I think three sahih narrations about this in al-Kafi. But what the scholars teach today is that we are too sinful to ask Allah directory and He won't look at us - as if His mercy is conditional and unavailable to most of us.

Also it pretty much implies that the imams are more merciful that Allah, which is a ridiculous belief to hold. 

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