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7 minutes ago, monad said:

The human. A complex mind. Each experience differs from the next. No one has the same mind, each persons requires a different coping mechanism. Instead of stigmatizing or pushing your approach, why not, figure out the best methods, list them down and advice the patients to try them.

Good eating habits - what type of foods? - recipes ? -

"Physical activity has been shown to be effective in alleviating mild to moderate depression and anxiety," said Carol Janney, lead author of the study and an MSU assistant professor of epidemiology. "Current physical activity guidelines advise at least 30 minutes, five days a week to promote mental and physical health.

Faith -

Religion -

Goals. -

Thinking -

Behaviour -

Encouragement -

Reduction of medication over a time period? -

Support -

if a person is over weight and has been on medications for five years, how will we help that person change?. What if they are now secluded, have poor eating, sleeping habits to poor body image?.  they cannot go to the gym at the time you like to go?..

The problem with advice is, that it is selfish in nature and none wants to be on the journey with the ones they are advising. As it may take years for small changes.

Time to run away now....

 

That is exactly why it is so stigmatized. Everyone thinks they know what's best for a mentally ill patient, when in reality, it is VERY difficult to determine. Drugs work for some people, and for others it doesn't.

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41 minutes ago, Afsaneh14 said:

Unless anyone here is a sheikh and can refute this, which i highly doubt anyone who has been vocal about their ignorant opinions on this topic....

The debate here isn't about psychiatric drugs being halal or haram.

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51 minutes ago, forte said:

There is no cure at this time, and so, of course, there is no reduction in morbidity or mortality with those who use psychotropics.

Okay.. so you admitted that they don't cure people , nor do they decrease mortality or morbidity then what argument have you in favour of taking psychiatric medications over prolonged periods(10+ years) ?? 

I have a cousin who has Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 15 yrs now. All she's has done for her condition is take painkillers while vehemently resisting physiotherapy and lifestyle changes.Why? Just because popping pills is easier and offers quick relief albeit short term.After 15 years she is servery crippled and wheel chair bound. I believe this is what happens to lots of psychiatric patients too when drugs form the mainstay of treatment and psychotherapy and lifestyle changes take a back seat.

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On 11/9/2017 at 1:28 PM, starlight said:

Okay.. so you admitted that they don't cure people , nor do they decrease mortality or morbidity then what argument have you in favour of taking psychiatric medications over prolonged periods(10+ years) ?? 

I have a cousin who has Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 15 yrs now. All she's has done for her condition is take painkillers while vehemently resisting physiotherapy and lifestyle changes.Why? Just because popping pills is easier and offers quick relief albeit short term.After 15 years she is servery crippled and wheel chair bound. I believe this is what happens to lots of psychiatric patients too when drugs form the mainstay of treatment and psychotherapy and lifestyle changes take a back seat.

In terms of illnesses like arthiritis diabetes, cholesterol problems etc i do believe that people take advantage of drugs in a bad way, so as to simply not change their lifestyle.

But imagine trying to change your lifestyle, while you are living with a mind that is trying to die. That's what living with a mental illness is like.

What your cousin is doind IS called "numbing problems" that people with mental illness are constantly accused of. However, we also need to put ourselves in your cousin's shoes. Saying something is one thing, doing it is another

Of course, referring back to @monad's post, what works for one person won't work for the other. Not every patient will require medication. But some of our brains are just simply unable to produce a healthy amount if hormones.

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4 minutes ago, Afsaneh14 said:

But imagine trying to change your lifestyle, while you are living with a mind that is trying to die

Repeating myself once again ..take medicines when you are in such a bad shape that 'your mind is trying to die' take all the help from meds you need to get back on your feet but once you do take care of other more important variables ASAP.

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1 minute ago, starlight said:

Repeating myself once again ..take medicines when you are in such a bad shape that 'your mind is trying to die' take all the help from meds you need to get back on your feet but once you do take care of other more important variables ASAP.

Ok. What about schizophrenic or bipolar patients? How do you suppose extreme manic episodes can be controlled. Say for example, you have tried EVERYTHING. Psychiatry, counselling, therapy. Everything. But you still are having manic episodes. Now, you are a doctor. You should have some sort of idea what mania is, and that there is very little that can control it in some cases

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In one of the popular proverbs here a saying that goes something like this" wrap your finger with plaster and each person will perscribe for you a medicine".

Depression as clinical diagnosis is the state in which a person stops doing their daily activities, stops eating, sleeping, washing and shaving. They stop to be connected to this world and live in a dissociation with reality.

They will not react to external signals such as : a depressed parent will not take care of their child. Child may die.

In these extreme cases, medicine is used to stop the depressed from harming themselves and others. It is not a luxury choice, it is a life saving decision taken by a certified psychiatrist.

A depressed person who did not reach that level, the level of dissociation, and is aware of their state of mind but their daily life is compromised (poor grades, low productivity at work etc), they need to seek help from professional psychiatric who will put therapy plan for them and list all possible and appropriate methods.

For people who are coming online seeking help, we can only state what's been known to be effective on everyone from every culture, age group, economical status and social status. Cheap effective affordable ways that one can recommend are:

Spirituality, a walk in nature, good food , good sleep, good company and good social support.

No one can push a depressed person to take any of these measures, not even the psychiatrists, it is all upon the person to pull themselves up and move on.

Stigma is to see someone crippled with depression and yell at them: sort yourself! Then when they try to seek help from professional they call them weak.

Asking for help is not weakness. Obviously no one in this thread is doing that.

In the outside world, they may call those who seek professional help weak, but not those who seek these simple methods which are at large a very socially acceptable.

A worthy note: They found that cognitive therapy which is done by specialists has same efficacy as talk therapy by trained nurse which is also has same efficacy as simple chat with friend. 

No one should under estimate the power of kind words to those under extreme stress.

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Antidepressants help in the short term but they strip you of your emotions leaving you feeling emotionally flat which kind of makes you feel another kind of crap. But still its better than suffocating in your own skin. Feelings can get lost.

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48 minutes ago, forte said:

@starlight

This is victim blaming.

I would really like to know how you reached this conclusion when I am not even talking about the psychiatric patients, rather I have been emphasising on mental health professional injudiciously prescribing the drugs.

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1 minute ago, starlight said:

I would really like to know how you reached this conclusion when I am not even talking about the psychiatric patients, rather I have been emphasising on mental health professional injudiciously prescribing the drugs.

Have you ever been in a position where the weight of the world and everything in it was crushing you and you couldn't breathe?

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25 minutes ago, Langar said:

Have you ever been in a position where the weight of the world and everything in it was crushing you and you couldn't breathe?

Yes. Plenty of times. Not going in the details but I haven't had an easy life. If you had read my earlier post I wrote there that at one point in my life I have taken psychiatric drugs,and a whole lot of them, for over a year! 

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2 minutes ago, starlight said:

Yes. Plenty of times. Not going in the details but I haven't had an easy life. If you had read my earlier post I write there that I had been taking psychiatric medications,and a whole lot of them, for over a year! 

So then what's the issue, did they not help?

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22 minutes ago, starlight said:

I would really like to know how you reached this conclusion when I am not even talking about the psychiatric patients, rather I have been emphasising on mental health professional injudiciously prescribing the drugs.

I meant to quote the post and didn't for some reason.  I was referring to your judgement of your cousin with Rheumatoid Arthritis who only "popped pills" and is now in a wheel chair due to her decisions.  Intimating that it is her fault that she is in a wheelchair..  I know that that disease is incredibly painful and debilitating.  For myself, I am not in a position to judge someone trying to relieve excruciating 24/7 pain when I am relatively pain free. I don't walk in their shoes. We have no idea as to the degree of her pain, degree of fear to move certain ways that will cause even more pain or her rational to do what she does.  

As for over medication:  Anti-depressants and stimulants are grossly over prescribed because they are prescribed by GP's who have few tools at their hands to get people moving in a positive direction and it seems like a quick fix.  It is not OK.  However, I am more concerned about the stimulant prescriptions to young children who are misdiagnosed with ADHD than I am about the anti-depressants although they too have many negatives.  Over prescribed medications are a huge problem but that is a separate issue.  We are talking about people who are competently diagnosed by certified mental health professionals, not with your 15 minute visit with your GP - that is not a diagnosis of anything.  A lot goes into a competent diagnosis and it often takes several weeks of in-patient tests and observations... as the two members here who have spoken out to repeatedly defend themselves (!) have had done.  I am not talking about the actions of some GP who is at a loss to know what to do when their patient sees them due to some home or work environment issue that is upsetting them.  I am talking about diagnosing a true chronic illness.  

Anyone who is diagnosed by a certified mental health professional with clinical depression is not just going through a rough patch in life; it is a pervasive condition that may ebb a bit but does not go away and is not dependent on specific incidents in their life.  It is organic and ongoing.  Most people with clinical depression that I have come in contact have had  a family history where they have at least one relative who has committed suicide or has become incapacitated due to their illness.  Anyone with a psychotic or mood disorder (very rapid and dangerous mood swings such as bipolar) are at the mercy of their brain chemistry.  No gym membership is going to fix that.

We ALL can do better by proper diet and exercise and seeking opportunities for personal growth and achievement. Including those of us who hunch over a computer all day. Practicing our tolerance, acceptance and love of others is one of those ways. Not submitting to prevalent cultural practices that demean others is another.  Mental health patients do the best they can with what they have.  As we all do.  Support and acceptance goes along way to giving someone the confidence they need to be the best they can, and to try new avenues of care consistent with the strengths and limitations they were given.

 

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@Laayla

Here’s why Bipolar Disorder is a real illness:

1. I went six entire days without a wink of sleep and experienced auditory hallucinations like sirens and seeing light brown ants on the ground. (And I would go several days without sleep until I would fall asleep for a day. Six days was just the most I went without sleep at a time.) This is called severe mania. I also had a “high” or euphoric mood for months at a time, that was out of my control. 

2. My depressive and manic episodes were so close together I had periods of no normal mood in between.

3. I had my first depressive episode at 9, which lasted for one year, and again at 11, which lasted until 13, until I had my first manic episode.

4. I thought of suicide nonstop before I got treatment.

5. I broke glass picture frames on my feet before I was rushed to the inpatient center.

6. I was non functioning and stopped going to school a month before the end of the semester. 

7. I have a history of GAD, starting from the age of 8, which goes hand in hand with Bipolar Disorder. 

8. I contemplated stabbing myself in the chest during a depressive episode. I held the scissors at my heart, until I put it down in a brief moment. 

9. I lost control of my bladder due to anxiety

10. I had anxiety attacks all the time

11. I had painful heart palpitations that resulted in me passing out before I could call 911.

12.  And finally:

When I was switching medications, I went without meds for only two days and ALL my symptoms came back, PLUS psychosis. So I had to have my medication adjusted at the inpatient center AGAIN. 

So tell me how Depression isn’t a real illness. Tell me that I have low Iman and that I need to pray away my illness. And guess what? Since meds and therapy, my symptoms have not returned, and I feel like myself again. 

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49 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

@Laayla

Here’s why Bipolar Disorder is a real illness:

1. I went six entire days without a wink of sleep and experienced auditory hallucinations like sirens and seeing light brown ants on the ground. (And I would go several days without sleep until I would fall asleep for a day. Six days was just the most I went without sleep at a time.) This is called severe mania. I also had a “high” or euphoric mood for months at a time, that was out of my control. 

2. My depressive and manic episodes were so close together I had periods of no normal mood in between.

3. I had my first depressive episode at 9, which lasted for one year, and again at 11, which lasted until 13, until I had my first manic episode.

4. I thought of suicide nonstop before I got treatment.

5. I broke glass picture frames on my feet before I was rushed to the inpatient center.

6. I was non functioning and stopped going to school a month before the end of the semester. 

7. I have a history of GAD, starting from the age of 8, which goes hand in hand with Bipolar Disorder. 

8. I contemplated stabbing myself in the chest during a depressive episode. I held the scissors at my heart, until I put it down in a brief moment. 

9. I lost control of my bladder due to anxiety

10. I had anxiety attacks all the time

11. I had painful heart palpitations that resulted in me passing out before I could call 911.

12.  And finally:

When I was switching medications, I went without meds for only two days and ALL my symptoms came back, PLUS psychosis. So I had to have my medication adjusted at the inpatient center AGAIN. 

So tell me how Depression isn’t a real illness. Tell me that I have low Iman and that I need to pray away my illness. And guess what? Since meds and therapy, my symptoms have not returned, and I feel like myself again. 

My god...

@Laayla this is the real face of mental illness, this is bipolar depression; Like brother forte said, people who suffer from bipolar depression,schizophrenia and depression are at the mercy of their brain chemistry without the medication.

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On 11/9/2017 at 2:16 PM, Langar said:

Antidepressants help in the short term but they strip you of your emotions leaving you feeling emotionally flat which kind of makes you feel another kind of crap. But still its better than suffocating in your own skin. Feelings can get lost.

Honestly, i've been on anti-depressants for a very long time. I can be the most emotional person in the world. I still cry when i watch Shawshank redemption

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1 hour ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

@Laayla

Here’s why Bipolar Disorder is a real illness:

1. I went six entire days without a wink of sleep and experienced auditory hallucinations like sirens and seeing light brown ants on the ground. (And I would go several days without sleep until I would fall asleep for a day. Six days was just the most I went without sleep at a time.) This is called severe mania. I also had a “high” or euphoric mood for months at a time, that was out of my control. 

2. My depressive and manic episodes were so close together I had periods of no normal mood in between.

3. I had my first depressive episode at 9, which lasted for one year, and again at 11, which lasted until 13, until I had my first manic episode.

4. I thought of suicide nonstop before I got treatment.

5. I broke glass picture frames on my feet before I was rushed to the inpatient center.

6. I was non functioning and stopped going to school a month before the end of the semester. 

7. I have a history of GAD, starting from the age of 8, which goes hand in hand with Bipolar Disorder. 

8. I contemplated stabbing myself in the chest during a depressive episode. I held the scissors at my heart, until I put it down in a brief moment. 

9. I lost control of my bladder due to anxiety

10. I had anxiety attacks all the time

11. I had painful heart palpitations that resulted in me passing out before I could call 911.

12.  And finally:

When I was switching medications, I went without meds for only two days and ALL my symptoms came back, PLUS psychosis. So I had to have my medication adjusted at the inpatient center AGAIN. 

So tell me how Depression isn’t a real illness. Tell me that I have low Iman and that I need to pray away my illness. And guess what? Since meds and therapy, my symptoms have not returned, and I feel like myself again. 

I have never read something so relatable in my life. My manic episodes also began really young, around 6 or 7.  @Laayla is this because 7 yr old me did not have enough imaan, or because she was using "the power of vulnerability"?

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On 11/9/2017 at 5:27 PM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

My god...

@Laayla this is the real face of mental illness, this is bipolar depression; Like brother forte said, people who suffer from bipolar depression,schizophrenia and depression are at the mercy of their brain chemistry without the medication.

And God forbid we are ever left at the mercy of our Brain chemistry. It's mercy has landed me in the psychiatric ward 3 times.

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3 hours ago, Langar said:

Just go to your GP and ask for antidepressants, they give them out like sweets.

This is true. But that doesn't make them any less important.

For example, anti-biotics. Here in the UK there has been a major crackdown on handing them out. They, too were being handed out like sweets, causing bacterial strains to become resitant, like MRSA. However, despite all this, people still need anti-biotics. They are still just as important

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On 11/9/2017 at 6:01 PM, Afsaneh14 said:

And God forbid we are ever left at the mercy of our Brain chemistry. It's mercy has landed me in the psychiatric ward 3 times.

I feel my emotions like a regular person (I’m not a zombie or numb.) and I’m on Anti-psychotics. I’m not a crier during movies, but I did cry seeing The Patriot (The scene where Mel Gibson’s character has to watch Heath Ledger’s character die.) last night. Powerful stuff. 

That said, I’m not that outwardly emotional, but that’s just me. I’m very stable in terms of mood, Alhamdulilah.

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On 11/9/2017 at 6:24 PM, Islandsandmirrors said:

I feel my emotions like a regular person (I’m not a zombie or numb.) and I’m on Anti-psychotics. I’m not a crier during movies, but I did cry seeing The Patriot (The scene where Mel Gibson’s character has to watch Heath Ledger’s character die.) last night. Powerful stuff. 

That said, I’m not that outwardly emotional, but that’s just me. I’m very stable in terms of mood, Alhamdulilah.

Haha yeah same. And movies like the Green Mile.

I have always been a bit of an overly passionate and emotional person. It might just be my Afghan blood lol. As for mood, at the end of the day bipolar is bipolar. I also have BPD, so i do have the odd episode from time to time. But alhamdililah, nothing serious :)

Also, my mood seems to get drastically worse when the season changes, like in october when autumn starts, or May when spring starts

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2 minutes ago, kirtc said:

the replies speak for themselves subhan Allah

Does that mean you now understand there are clinical mental disorders that have treatment options? 

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2 minutes ago, Afsaneh14 said:

Haha yeah same. And movies like the Green Mile.

I have always been a bit of an overly passionate and emotional person. It might just be my Afghan blood lol. As for mood, at the end of the day bipolar is bipolar. I also have BPD, so i do have the odd episode from time to time. But alhamdililah, nothing serious :)

Also, my mood seems to get drastically worse when the season changes, like in october when autumn starts, or May when spring starts

I haven’t seen that movie yet, but I’d like to. :) have you seen Fences? Viola Davis is excellent. 

I’m pretty passionate, too. But mostly about the things I like: writing, and mental health. And yeah, Borderline would make things MUCH harder as well, but I’m glad you’re also doing well. :)

I used to have those mood changes as well, but not recently. I think they are pretty common, actually.

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1 minute ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

I haven’t seen that movie yet, but I’d like to. :) have you seen Fences? Viola Davis is excellent. 

I’m pretty passionate, too. But mostly about the things I like: writing, and mental health. And yeah, Borderline would make things MUCH harder as well, but I’m glad you’re also doing well. :)

I used to have those mood changes as well, but not recently. I think they are pretty common, actually.

Funny you mentioned it! Me and my sister were watching it just the other day. Personally, for me it was kinda boring but my sister LOVED it. She was struggling a bit but i think denzel washington's acting and the storyline gave her a real mood boost:grin:

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1 minute ago, Afsaneh14 said:

Funny you mentioned it! Me and my sister were watching it just the other day. Personally, for me it was kinda boring but my sister LOVED it. She was struggling a bit but i think denzel washington's acting and the storyline gave her a real mood boost:grin:

Haha no way! Must be telepathy! :D I’m glad at least your sister liked it! And yeah, Denzel’s acting is what made it a bit more light hearted. :D 

Have you seen the theater performance of James Earl Jones as Troy? One word: intense. 

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1 minute ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

Haha no way! Must be telepathy! :D I’m glad at least your sister liked it! And yeah, Denzel’s acting is what made it a bit more light hearted. :D 

Have you seen the theater performance of James Earl Jones as Troy? One word: intense. 

No i've never heard of it before actually lol. I'm not much of a theater lover to be honest. Literally, no one likes to watch movies with me because im too impatient and forward half the movie XD

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12 hours ago, starlight said:

@Akbar673 @forte

No one here is stigmatising psychiatric illnesses. I made the earlier post to talk about how psychiatric patients are hooked to drugs for life despite their proven inefficacy to cure mental illnesses. Psychiatric drugs treat only symptoms and their use should be limited to acute stages with a focus on tapering them off as soon as possible.  Support, rehabilitation,psychotherapy , life style changes are what really manage the illness,which brings me to what sis @Laayla was saying. Getting closer to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى,strengthening your faith, doing charity, not losing hope in Allah's help and mercy is the best for of psychotherapy and meditation a person can do.

I wanted to make a much detailed post but am unable to find the time,unfortunately.

Here is what the director of National Institute of Mental Health(NIMH,US) Thomas Insel has to say about psychiatric medication 

"Four decades of drug development resulting in over 20 antipsychotics and over 30 antidepressants have not demonstrably reduced the morbidity or mortality of mental disorders,"

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

My condolences to you sister on this Friday morning for the martydom of Aba 3bd Allah.

You are a doctor and have been through these drugs.  But your experience is irrelevant to them, because they do not want to take up on your advice to change.  

 They keep addressing me as ignorant, so anything I say about the subject they have already set up their minds.  Allah swt help them with their illness.  

Sub7an'Allah this is the last part of du3 komail that sums it up. Imam Ali with certainity says:

، يا سَريعَ الرِّضا اِغْفِرْ لِمَنْ لا يَمْلِكُ اِلا الدُّعاَّءَ فَاِنَّكَ فَعّالٌ لِما تَشاَّءُ يا مَنِ اسْمُهُ دَوآءٌ وَ ذِكْرُهُ شِفاَّءٌ وَ طاعَتُهُ غِنىً اِرْحَمْ مَنْ رَأسُ مالِهِ الرَّجاَّءُ وَ سِلاحُهُ الْبُكاَّءُ يا سابِغَ النِّعَمِ يا دافِعَ النِّقَمِ يا نُورَ الْمُسْتَوْحِشينَ فِى الظُّلَمِ يا عالِماً لا يُعَلَّمُ صَلِّ عَلى مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ وَافْعَلْ بى ما اَنْتَ اَهْلُهُ وَ صَلَّى اللّهُ عَلى رَسُولِهِ وَالاْئِمَّةِ الْمَيامينَ مِنْ الِهِ وَ سَلَّمَ تَسْليماً كَثير

Whose Name is the remedy (for all ills) and Whose remembrance is a sure cure for all ailments and obedience to Whom makes one self sufficient; have mercy on one whose only asset is hope and whose only armour is lamentation O' Thou! Who perfecteth all bounties and Who wardeth off all misfortunes!

O' Light! Who illuminateth those who are in bewilderment! O' Omniscient! Who knoweth without (acquisition of) learning! Bless Mohammed and the Descendants of Mohammed and do unto me in accordance with that which befitteth Thee,

and deal with me not in accordance to my worth May the blessings of Allah be bestowed upon His Apostle and the Rightful Imams from his Descendants and His peace be upon them plentifully

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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1 hour ago, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

My condolences to you sister on this Friday morning for the martydom of Aba 3bd Allah.

You are a doctor and have been through these drugs.  But your experience is irrelevant to them, because they do not want to take up on your advice to change.  

 They keep addressing me as ignorant, so anything I say about the subject they have already set up their minds.  Allah swt help them with their illness.  

Sub7an'Allah this is the last part of du3 komail that sums it up. Imam Ali with certainity says:

، يا سَريعَ الرِّضا اِغْفِرْ لِمَنْ لا يَمْلِكُ اِلا الدُّعاَّءَ فَاِنَّكَ فَعّالٌ لِما تَشاَّءُ يا مَنِ اسْمُهُ دَوآءٌ وَ ذِكْرُهُ شِفاَّءٌ وَ طاعَتُهُ غِنىً اِرْحَمْ مَنْ رَأسُ مالِهِ الرَّجاَّءُ وَ سِلاحُهُ الْبُكاَّءُ يا سابِغَ النِّعَمِ يا دافِعَ النِّقَمِ يا نُورَ الْمُسْتَوْحِشينَ فِى الظُّلَمِ يا عالِماً لا يُعَلَّمُ صَلِّ عَلى مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ وَافْعَلْ بى ما اَنْتَ اَهْلُهُ وَ صَلَّى اللّهُ عَلى رَسُولِهِ وَالاْئِمَّةِ الْمَيامينَ مِنْ الِهِ وَ سَلَّمَ تَسْليماً كَثير

Whose Name is the remedy (for all ills) and Whose remembrance is a sure cure for all ailments and obedience to Whom makes one self sufficient; have mercy on one whose only asset is hope and whose only armour is lamentation O' Thou! Who perfecteth all bounties and Who wardeth off all misfortunes!

O' Light! Who illuminateth those who are in bewilderment! O' Omniscient! Who knoweth without (acquisition of) learning! Bless Mohammed and the Descendants of Mohammed and do unto me in accordance with that which befitteth Thee,

and deal with me not in accordance to my worth May the blessings of Allah be bestowed upon His Apostle and the Rightful Imams from his Descendants and His peace be upon them plentifully

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

There is cure in Ahlulbayt words, also Du'a Alhazeen by Zain Al-Abedin for those depressed due to sins.

Sometimes though, those in extreme depression lack the ability to concentrate enough to recite long dua or find the words too harsh on them due to the burden of worries on them. For that, Istighfar is easy, can be said at any moment, any place. Remember that this simple zikr saved prophet Jonas from the Whale. In Islamic literature, depression is called Hem and Ghem. It is has been narrated from the prophet that he said: ( Whoever started reciting Istighfar a lot, Allah will make a way out for him from their worries and a solution for their obstacle, and will provide them with rizq (be it money, children, spouse etc) in a way hat never occurred to them.

روي عن النبي (image001.gif) أنه قال: (مَن أكثر الاستغفار: جعل الله له مِن كل همّ فرجاً، ومِن كل ضيق مخرجاً، ورزقه من حيث لا يحتسب)

There are other measures, some are already recommended by psychiatrists but they had been advised by Imams like this advise from Imam Ali (غسل الثياب يذهب بالهم والحزن، وهو طهور للصلاة). Wearing clean clothes, ward off the worries and sadness, They are also pure cloths for prayer.

It is an advice to take care of yourself. Remember that islam consider soul as sacred and consider health and well being as gifts from God that should be cherished and taken care of. One have no right to ridicule or humiliate themselves by looking dirty or un attended. So pushing yourself to be responsible for this gift that God give you is a step towards God and repentance. Always remember that small steps towards God are rewarded by huge cut in distance.   In a Qudsi hadith "Whoever come closer to me by a measure of  a shibr, i'll come closer to them by a measure of a dira'a'" Take shibr as centimeter and Diraa as a meter to understand the analogy.

Islam goes beyond that even. It says that acting up as if nothing is wrong is better that acting as if the world is against you or appearing as shabby and unclean and sad (which is why i dislike emo culture and music cullture that promotes that sort of look to life)

عن الإمام الصادق (عليه السلام) أنه قال: (إن الله تعالى يحب الجمال والتجمل، ويكره البؤس والتباؤس.. فإن الله عز وجل إذا أنعم على عبد نعمة؛ أحب أن يرى عليه أثرها، قيل: وكيف ذلك؟.. قال: ينظف ثوبه، ويطيّب ريحه، ويحسّن داره، ويكنس أفنيته.. حتى أن السراج قبل مغيب الشمس: ينفي الفقر، ويزيد في الرزق).

 Imam Sadiq said:( Verily, Allah loves beauty and beautification and dislikes misery and pretending to be misrable. Verily , when Allah bestowed on His servant a gift, He likes to see the effect of that gift on them) The Imam was asked what did he mean, he said "( clean your cloths, use perfume, improve his house and tend to his garden, .... even turning on a lantern at the sunset ward off poverty and increase sustenance".

Sometimes we are faced by sudden temporary low mood, sometimes we are raided by low mood for long time. Imam Sadiq says" If you felt worried without a reason, wash your head. If worries kept attacking you, then say la hawla wa la quwata illa billah frequently"

عن الإمام الصادق (عليه السلام) أنه قال: (من وجد همّا فلا يدري ما هو؛ فليغسل رأسه!.. وقال: إذا توالت الهموم؛ فعليك بلا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله).

Ahlulbayt also pointed out to the food as a therapy. Imam Sadiq said that black grapes helps in depression

روي عن الإمام الصادق (عليه السلام) أنه قال: (لما حسر الماء عن عظام الموتى فرأى ذلك نوح (عليه السلام)، جزع جزعاً شديداً واغتمّ لذلك، فأوحى الله إليه أن كل العنب الأسود ليذهب غمّك).

Trusting God: One of the therapies that Ahlulabyt pointed out to is the certainty. One should not live in doubt about God. You should be certain that He is with you, taking acre of you. In the hadith, Allah is more merciful and compassionate about you than a mother on her newborn. You just need to trust Him. It is all it takes. Remember that during hajj, of all the acts and rituals, ahlulbayt say that hajj is Arafah, although there is no specific ritual on Arafah day. Poeple go to the mount and they start praying to God to forgive them. In the hadith it is said that your certainty that God has forgiven you is what matters. It is how much you trust Allah and believe in His power, justice and mercy. (واطرح عنك واردات الهموم: بعزائم الصبر، وحسن اليقين.... ومن التوفيق الوقوف عند الحيرة، ونِعْمَ طرد الهموم اليقين .... نِعْمَ الخلق التّكرم)

Imam Ali said:( protect yourself from worries by patience and good certainty" Imam Sadiq said ( If everything is Qada and Qadar, then what's the sadness for?"

Remember that from the good trust in God is to believe that every test and trial He puts you through is for your well being. In Hadith Qudsi " I am amazed by my believing servant, wherever I directed him to, he only comes with good, or make good out of that situation"

There are more hadiths from ahlulbayt about this.

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12 hours ago, forte said:

I meant to quote the post and didn't for some reason.  I was referring to your judgement of your cousin with Rheumatoid Arthritis who only "popped pills" and is now in a wheel chair due to her decisions.  Intimating that it is her fault that she is in a wheelchair..

We have a responsibility to take care of the body (and mind) that Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى gave us.It'a not a choice,  it's an obligation. 

When you have access to the best healthcare in the country, when money is not an objective, when your husband and other family members and supportive then there is no excuse to let go of yourself like this.No one is asking her to go off pain killers and endure the pain,disease modifying drugs and physiotherapy have a very well defined role in treatment of arthritis and both go side by side to minimise long term complications and dusability.  She chose painkillers and steroids despite being told of the possible side effects. It was the choice she made and by no means she is the only one around us to do so. Lots of people opt for quick fixes instead of taking care of the underlying problem simply because the latter requires more hard work.Many Diabetics will settle for larger doses of insulin rather than cut back on the carbohydrates and exercise more. I know of diabetics who have ended up with amputated limbs because of a careless lifestyle. 

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12 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

Here’s why Bipolar Disorder is a real illness:

1. I went six entire days without a wink of sleep and experienced auditory hallucinations like sirens and seeing light brown ants on the ground. (And I would go several days without sleep until I would fall asleep for a day. Six days was just the most I went without sleep at a time.) This is called severe mania. I also had a “high” or euphoric mood for months at a time, that was out of my control. 

2. My depressive and manic episodes were so close together I had periods of no normal mood in between.

3. I had my first depressive episode at 9, which lasted for one year, and again at 11, which lasted until 13, until I had my first manic episode.

4. I thought of suicide nonstop before I got treatment.

5. I broke glass picture frames on my feet before I was rushed to the inpatient center.

6. I was non functioning and stopped going to school a month before the end of the semester. 

7. I have a history of GAD, starting from the age of 8, which goes hand in hand with Bipolar Disorder. 

8. I contemplated stabbing myself in the chest during a depressive episode. I held the scissors at my heart, until I put it down in a brief moment. 

9. I lost control of my bladder due to anxiety

10. I had anxiety attacks all the time

11. I had painful heart palpitations that resulted in me passing out before I could call 911.

12.  And finally:

When I was switching medications, I went without meds for only two days and ALL my symptoms came back, PLUS psychosis. So I had to have my medication adjusted at the inpatient center AGAIN.

This is terrible!! You had very difficult sad moments and you were so young! May God help you and cure you for ever.

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