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16 hours ago, hasanhh said:

This is "why" as a general rule l do not like counseling, psychology and other conversations of the whiney kind.

How about "sort out a solution" ?

The two go hand in hand. What you call "whiney" conversations may be the solution for severe psychological damage, which in turn is a solution for everything else. It's like a knock on affect

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It is not a matter of agreement.  You displayed ignorance on the issue of mental health and continue to do so in this post.  If you were to come down with a serious disease, would you reject any medic

Exactly. And to begin with, no one even said that meds "cure" mental illness in the first place. And just like sister @Islandsandmirrors i too have been hospitalized as a result of mental illness

@starlight You can hide behind all the lifestyle mumble jumble distractions about lifestyle all you want but it does not bury the fact that you and your cohort have told people on here with a lif

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2 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

But isnt it a dangerous approach? Doesnt it cause damage to the person's self-esteem and if people become less emotional, wont they become indifferent to others' suffering?

Well scientology is a cult like religion, they have many abusive practices. But this approach is used by many cultures which claim to raise tough/strong kids. I agree this approach makes people cruel. 

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Just now, rkazmi33 said:

Well scientology is a cult like religion, they have many abusive practices. But this approach is used by many cultures which claim to raise tough/strong kids. I agree this approach makes people cruel. 

Lol this is basically how i was raised :hahaha: constant taunting, aka "character building".

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On Sunday, November 05, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Afsaneh14 said:

Medications do NOT numb problems. The thing is, when it gets to the point of having to take medication, it means it runs alot deeper than just feelings and speaking about them. This is when it is a genuine medical problem. Your brain is not producing the right amount of hormones.

Take a flu for an example. It may last a week, and you hope it gets better. But sometimes, you get those really nasty flus that just won't go away, even after a few weeks. Do you just decide to leave it, or talk about how the flu is making you feel? No. You go to the doctor and maybe get some anti-biotics

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

God bless you.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:22 AM, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

God bless you.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

As a person suffering from Bipolar Depression and uses medication, I will tell you this: they do NOT numb emotions. They help you gain clarity and when it becomes severe, medication is sometimes the only option. I can, Alhamdulilah, function now because I got treatment and no longer on the brink of suicide. 

My parents, like you, were against medication until I landed in an inpatient center because I was a danger to myself. They kept saying that depression doesn’t exist and to be patient, etc., and didn’t believe depression to be a real mental disorder, until it was almost too late.

Depression is a REAL illness. Yes, there are quacks and cons out there who want to make profit, but when depression is as severe as the OP to the point of him being nonfunctional (and if he doesn’t receive treatment it will only get worse.) medication and therapy is needed at that point.

No one should wait to receive treatment for depression until he or she has suicidal thoughts. 

And I don’t think you understand the gravity of depression. 

I’ve seen this video before and let me tell you: i was my most vulnerable when I was depressed. Too vulnerable. I have no problem with being vulnerable, and this video doesn’t apply to those with severe mental disorders.

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:22 AM, Laayla said:

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

I agree with what everyone else is saying. The video is completely injust looking from the viewpoint of a person with mental illness. And it is sad, because people just don't seen to realize the gravity of illnesses like depression

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On Friday, November 03, 2017 at 10:07 PM, rkazmi33 said:

I just started using Lexapro. I am very emotional person and it makes me less emotional. I feel very numb and I like that. I also get more positive thoughts after taking it. I hope if I keep using it, I will also be able to get rid of my anger. I always thought you get antidepressants after some long session with psychiatrist but my doctor asked me few questions and wrote the prescription. 

Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum 

My condolences to you all for Sayyid as shuhada2 our beloved Imam Hussain 3la salam.  

Using the word numb was not my words but @rkazmi33 Reread what he said above.

I put the video, if you don't want to watch the whole thing start at 15:19 to indicate how numbing your problems won't solve anything.  These emotions can't magically disappear by taking drugs.

Alhamd'Allah we have examples of people who did take these drugs and got off of them.  You can confront your problems and face them head on  or you can continue temporarily put your problems on hold while taking drugs.  

Each and every one of us face battles.  We either fight a good fight, fall and get right back up, keep trying, or stay on the floor and wait until you are strong enough to face your enemy or in this case your problems.

Constant negative thought needs to be changed to gratitude.  I'm convinced that our religion has the solution for every problem.  Duas is our weapon, quran cures mind, body, and soul and Ahulbayt always show their karamat.

Our martyrs families live after the death of a father, son, brother, husband.  It would be unfair if I said all, so I will say most are not on drugs, their comfort is Allah.  What keeps them going is Imam Hussain and the mountain of patience Sayyida Zaynab and of course patience that Allah has instilled in them.

They do ziyarats to Sayyida Zaynab and Imams  and attend majalis.  Remove your hearts from love of this life.  Reprioritize what is important and how our lives was not created for this world but the Hereafter.  Our focus and goal should be how do we save ourselves from hellfire and do as much good works in this temporary life.  Because now it is the stage of action without punishment, after death it is a day of accountability with no good works available.

I speak to myself first and this is a reminder for me to practice what I'm saying.  I do realize each day is a struggle and some of us have medical conditions and health problems.  God cure every sickness and help us in every step of the way.  Please Allah do not take us from this dunya until you are pleased with us.  My reply is just to motivate and encourage a change of thinking.  I do not know what is going on in your personal lives.  Allah swt help you in your difficulties and give you strength and energy to overcome your illness.  

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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You don’t understand the difference between depression and sadness. 

People with Bipolar Disorder (TYPE 1) need to be on meds for life. 

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Thank you so much for your responses, because someone like me, who needs to take medication for life, is constantly fighting against the stigma for Bipolar Disorder and the stigma against mental illness. Thank you both for explaining what I’ve wanted to say regarding the matter. 

And as a Bipolar Disorder sufferer, it’s hurtful to see the backward thinking on mental illness. Inshallah the few who oppose medication at all costs will come to their senses. 

@Laayla Btw, Starlight did mention in her post that medication is necessary for some individuals. In case you missed it, re-read her post. 

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On 11/4/2017 at 3:10 AM, starlight said:

Having said this,I am not implying that there is no use for psychiatric medication.Are there people who can benefit from them? Yes. 

@Laayla: found it for you. ^

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2 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

@King and @forte

Thank you so much for your responses, because someone like me, who needs to take medication for life, is constantly fighting against the stigma for Bipolar Disorder and the stigma against mental illness. Thank you both for explaining what I’ve wanted to say regarding the matter. 

And as a Bipolar Disorder sufferer, it’s hurtful to see the backward thinking on mental illness. Inshallah the few who oppose medication at all costs will come to their senses. 

@Laayla Btw, Starlight did mention in her post that medication is necessary for some individuals. In case you missed it, re-read her post. 

Congrats to you for having the courage to stand up against this cultural stigma.  Thankfully, this ignorance is slowly but surely waning.  

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

I thank you sister I&M for sharing your experience. My posts are not to convince you to stop taking your drugs cold turkey.  I'm not trying to persuade you to stop, that is your decision to make and yours only. 

MK I respect your opinion, but do not agree with it.  To me, the solution is within Islam.  God sent Rasoul Allah and Ahulbayt and they always said "ask me, ask me" and I'm convinced they have the answers for our mental health.  I explained martyr families and their beliefs help them to carry on in this world.

How is it that Sayyida Zaynab is capable of praying salat al layl the next night after witnessing Karbala?  Why are these majlis repeated every year to us?  Who has suffered more than Sayyida Zaynab?  What is the point of repeating Karbala every year if we don't derive lessons from it?  Maybe for you Imam Hussain means to stand up against tyrants or it was a massive revolution against good vs. evil.  What does it mean when Sayyida Zaynab says, "I saw nothing but beauty."   What does that possibly mean?  Can you fathom that statement?  What a powerful, eye awakening, awe inspiring statement.

Do we have a relationship with Quran?  Do we truly believe the cure is within Quran?  Or is it just a ceremonial book for marriage or to bring blessings in the house as dust builds up on the cover?  We need to find where are weaknesses are and work on it.  Nobody knows ourselves better than ourselves.

Do I have all the answers?  Of course not, I would be a fool and naive for it to even cross my mind.  But within the depths of my heart, I know Quran and Ahulbayt are our salvation and our answer to every ailment, to every disease, to every sorrow we experience in this life.  We are not created for this world, we need to remove our attachment to this dunya. 

I'm proud to admit and have no shame in saying I watch Youtube videos.  Thank you for addressing it. 

Start at 5:56

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A neuroscientist talking about drugs.  Medical ethics and the conversations you should have with your dr.  Thank you for your time.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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It is all too apparent that stigma continues to be a huge problem for people living with mental illness - it is an unnecessary and cruel burden to add to someone who, as it is, lives life in a constant struggle. Ignorant attitudes undermine a person's sense of self, relationships, well-being and as well impacts prospects for achieving an acceptable quality of life.  I can't emphasize enough the importance of education and awareness.  All of us should take some time to educate ourselves about mental health diseases and their etiology...  making sure to resource from an accredited source. 

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4 hours ago, Afsaneh14 said:

I know i keep using this example, and it's tedious and annoying. But next time you get a flu (God forbid) dont go to the doctor. Just pray it away. Baring in mind Allah only helps those who help themselves. As a psychiatric patient just like @Islandsandmirrors the only way i could help myself is by medication.

It's so sad that our religion teaches so much compassion and acceptance, but our Ummah seem to be struggling to accept severe, life-threatening illnesses.

I don't think you will ever understand, unless you yourself suffer from a mental illness. However, i hope you never do, even though it is probably the only way you could stop being so stubborn. It is an illness that i wouldn't even wish upon an enemy.

when i have the flu... i take ginger.. lemon.. green tea.. garlic... 

if you take flu shots or pills you are teaching your immune system not to work and grow stronger you are letting the medication do all the work.. eventually you will have such a weak immune system that you will get sick every while... 

there are natural remedies ahul beyt told us about in plants. 

what Laayla is talking about  mental health and I agree with her 100%

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28 minutes ago, kirtc said:

when i have the flu... i take ginger.. lemon.. green tea.. garlic... 

if you take flu shots or pills you are teaching your immune system not to work and grow stronger you are letting the medication do all the work.. eventually you will have such a weak immune system that you will get sick every while... 

there are natural remedies ahul beyt told us about in plants. 

what Laayla is talking about  mental health and I agree with her 100%

@Laayla

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You seem to be like the kind of person who would also refuse medications to prevent heart attacks. 

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8 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

You seem to be like the kind of person who would also refuse medications to prevent heart attacks. 

I exercise, have a very healthy diet. I eat alot of fruit and vegetables, lentils, soups, rokka, beets... This is how you prevent heartattacks... 

Thank God I live in a country where blood sausage isnt a thing.. or hamburgers arent for breakfast.

and besides, you didnt read a word I said.. 

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On 10/8/2017 at 3:57 PM, laithAlIRAQI said:

Salam.

I feel lost and depressed. My days are unproductive, I've been home for over 2 months doing nothing, everything requires a lot of will power. I have no interest in doing anything, I barely eat and take care of myself. I feel distanced from God and I hate it, I hate myself and I hate what i have become. Im frustarted and angry, I just dont know what to do, it's driving me crazy and I just can't take it anymore. I have no patience, every small thing triggers me and makes me explode. I spend most of my time alone so I dont upset my parents and they hate the way I am. Sometimes I feel like harming myself, But I fight the urge.

Sometimes I wonder if I even fear God anymore, i went through a phase and stopped praying for a while, But got back to it. I try my best to pray the 5 daily prayer, but sometimes I just can't. I keep telling myself that I will change for the better and make a difference, But it just never happens. I dont trust myself anymore, I end up feeling hopeless and just wish God would take my soul already. 

Recite salawat and say astaghfirullah each time you have these feelings taking over your mind.

Push yourself to go on about your daily activities and remember, losing hope in God mercy upon us is fatal. He created you for a purpose and He tests you to refine you. Be strong and trust in Him, He will guide you.

Recite zeyarat Ashura... Arba'een is today/tonight/tomorrow

May Allah heal you by the right of Muhamad and Ale Muhamad. 

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6 hours ago, forte said:

It is all too apparent that stigma continues to be a huge problem for people living with mental illness - it is an unnecessary and cruel burden to add to someone who, as it is, lives life in a constant struggle. Ignorant attitudes undermine a person's sense of self, relationships, well-being and as well impacts prospects for achieving an acceptable quality of life.  I can't emphasize enough the importance of education and awareness.  All of us should take some time to educate ourselves about mental health diseases and their etiology...  making sure to resource from an accredited source. 

I posted this link before on here in another thread but I thought I'd post it again...

Mental Health Stigma in the Muslim Community

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1 hour ago, Akbar673 said:

I posted this link before on here in another thread but I thought I'd post it again...

Mental Health Stigma in the Muslim Community

This is an excellent, resourced article.

Abstract

Mental illness stigma continues to be a major barrier for individuals with mental illness. In this paper, we

1. define constructs that comprise stigma (e.g., attitudes, stereotypes, prejudice, discrimination),

2. discuss the harmful effects (e.g., label avoidance, public stigma, self-stigma) and

3. present factors that may influence them (e.g., concealability).

In order to better understand mental health stigma in Muslim community, we

4. focus on intersectional stigma and present literature on the complex relationships among race/ethnicity, gender, class, religion, and health status among Muslims. In addition, we

5. include literature highlighting culturally specific presentations of symptoms and mental health problems. 

Thank you for posting this.  

Unfortunately for those who are suffering, it will take a long time for centuries-old, culturally based prejudice and discrimination to be overcome - just like any negative, harmful attitude and stereotype. Intolerance, ignorance and fear of the unknown continues to impact many innocent people who struggle for basic mental health survival and community acceptance, sometimes with devastating results.

In addition, the silence from those in our community, who are educated and knowledgeable, is deafening.  I am not sure which behaviour is more harmful.

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40 minutes ago, forte said:

Unfortunately for those who are suffering, it will take a long time for centuries-old, culturally based prejudice and discrimination to be overcome - just like any negative, harmful attitude and stereotype. Intolerance, ignorance and fear of the unknown continues to impact many innocent people who struggle for basic mental health survival and community acceptance, sometimes with devastating results.

In addition, the silence from those in our community, who are educated and knowledgeable, is deafening.  I am not sure which behaviour is more harmful.

In my opinion the old prejudices and labeling of Mental Illness as well as the stigma towards people who suffer from them is an indicator of regardless of how far the Muslim Ummah thinks its advanced there are still levels of Jahilya still pervading it. 

The attitude towards Mental Health issues is one example of that.

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No one here is stigmatising psychiatric illnesses. I made the earlier post to talk about how psychiatric patients are hooked to drugs for life despite their proven inefficacy to cure mental illnesses. Psychiatric drugs treat only symptoms and their use should be limited to acute stages with a focus on tapering them off as soon as possible.  Support, rehabilitation,psychotherapy , life style changes are what really manage the illness,which brings me to what sis @Laayla was saying. Getting closer to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى,strengthening your faith, doing charity, not losing hope in Allah's help and mercy is the best for of psychotherapy and meditation a person can do.

I wanted to make a much detailed post but am unable to find the time,unfortunately.

Here is what the director of National Institute of Mental Health(NIMH,US) Thomas Insel has to say about psychiatric medication 

"Four decades of drug development resulting in over 20 antipsychotics and over 30 antidepressants have not demonstrably reduced the morbidity or mortality of mental disorders,"

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4 hours ago, kirtc said:

I exercise, have a very healthy diet. I eat alot of fruit and vegetables, lentils, soups, rokka, beets... This is how you prevent heartattacks... 

Thank God I live in a country where blood sausage isnt a thing.. or hamburgers arent for breakfast.

and besides, you didnt read a word I said.. 

Some of the healthiest people in the world, like athletes for example, can get heart failure. Obviously, by being healthy, the risk is reduced immensely, but it can still affect anyone. Just like mental illness.

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There is no cure at this time, and so, of course, there is no reduction in morbidity or mortality with those who use psychotropics.  Medications for people with serious brain chemistry abnormalities (and there is a ton of literature on this), have significantly improved the ability of those afflicted to live a somewhat normal (and often safe) life - what we nonchalantly take for granted is a daily painful, struggle for others.  To stigmatize (and yes, these judgemental and arrogant comments are stigmatizing) people who need these medications is exceptionally cruel. I am a mental health professional and have seen, first hand, those who are literally imprisoned by their illness be able to have a functional status when successful titration of medications is achieved.  The co-morbidity of depression and other  life impactful disorders is significant.  Often, one cannot be determined and addressed without treatment, first, of the other.  Bipolar, schizo-affective bipolar and schizophrenia should not be left untreated - and to suggest to people to go off their meds in favour of some arrogant faulty based ideas is grossly irresponsible.  When untreated, for mere bipolar alone, suicidal ideation and attempt is 25% or greater with completed suicides around 14 - 15%.  

Many in our community life a life of hell - they are hidden, chastised and demeaned due to lack of education and understanding.  It is incredibly sad that this goes on, but it is even more upsetting that these ideas are being promoted and fostered. 

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8 minutes ago, Afsaneh14 said:

Some of the healthiest people in the world, like athletes for example, can get heart failure. Obviously, by being healthy, the risk is reduced immensely, but it can still affect anyone. Just like mental illness.

Absolutely!  Actually, there are many cases of athletes in prime condition suffering fatal heart attacks due to the fact that their congenital heart conditions were never diagnosed but became apparent due to the extra stress on the heart...  so much judgement here to do with illness.  I am really surprised!

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4 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

This is a message I sent a while ago to a Sheikh in regards to antidepressant drugs, on a thread that sister @Afsaneh14 created

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Unless anyone here is a sheikh and can refute this, which i highly doubt anyone who has been vocal about their ignorant opinions on this topic....

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The human. A complex mind. Each experience differs from the next. No one has the same mind, each persons requires a different coping mechanism. Instead of stigmatizing or pushing your approach, why not, figure out the best methods, list them down and advice the patients to try them.

Good eating habits - what type of foods? - recipes ? -

"Physical activity has been shown to be effective in alleviating mild to moderate depression and anxiety," said Carol Janney, lead author of the study and an MSU assistant professor of epidemiology. "Current physical activity guidelines advise at least 30 minutes, five days a week to promote mental and physical health.

Faith -

Religion -

Goals. -

Thinking -

Behaviour -

Encouragement -

Reduction of medication over a time period? -

Support -

if a person is over weight and has been on medications for five years, how will we help that person change?. What if they are now secluded, have poor eating, sleeping habits to poor body image?.  they cannot go to the gym at the time you like to go?..

The problem with advice is, that it is selfish in nature and none wants to be on the journey with the ones they are advising. As it may take years for small changes.

Time to run away now....

 

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