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Fasting on Ashura - Myth Debunked

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38 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

There is a common practice amongst Muslims to fast on the 10th of Muharram (1 month of the Islamic calendar). Although there are several hadith in support of this act, they can be summarized using the 2 primary hadiths below:

When Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina, he found the Jews observing the fast on the day of 'ashura' (10th of Muharram). The Prophet asked them (about it) and they replied, "This is the day when Moses became victorious over Pharaoh." The Prophet said (to the Muslims), "We are nearer to Moses than they, so fast on this day."
Volume 3, Book 31, Number 222: Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 609: Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 279: Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 202: Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 261: Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas
Sahih Bukhari

During the Pre-lslamic Period of ignorance the Quraish used to observe fasting on the day of 'ashura', and the Prophet himself used to observe fasting on it too. But when he came to Medina, he fasted on that day and ordered the Muslims to fast on it. When (the order of compulsory fasting in ) Ramadan was revealed, fasting in Ramadan became an obligation, and fasting on 'ashura' was given up, and who ever wished to fast (on it) did so, and whoever did not wish to fast on it, did not fast.
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 31: Narrated by Aisha
Volume 3, Book 31, Number 117: Narrated by 'Aisha (similar to above hadith)
Volume 3, Book 31, Number 220: Narrated by Aisha (similar to above hadith)
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 172: Narrated by 'Aisha (similar to above hadith)
Sahih Bukhari

Let’s investigate the first hadith – fasting in observance Moses victory.
In Judaism, this event is known as Passover. The eight-day festival of Passover is celebrated in from the 15th through the 22nd of the Hebrew month of Nissan. The Jews of Medina also followed this calendar and not the Arab calendar. Authentic hadith tell us that the Prophet (saw) migrated from Mecca to Medina at the end of Safar so his first Ashura in Medina was in AH2. Based on on-line date conversion software (+- 1-2 days):
10 Muharram AH2 (Islamic date) = 14 July 623AD (Gregorian date) = 8th of Av, 4383 (Jewish date)
Since the month of AV is the fifth month of the Hebrew calendar, it is highly unlikely the Jews were fasting in observance of Passover on the 10th of Muharram since the dates were nowhere close to each other.


Now for the 2nd hadith – continuing the custom of Qurayish by fasting on 10th Muharram
The Prophet (saw) spent 23 years of his preaching Islam and abrogating the customs of the kuffar of Mecca yet he continued this custom even after hijra? Highly unlikely!

Even if the above traditions are taken to be true, why only celebrate one Jewish custom out of thousands of them? Also, if the Prophet (saw) celebrated their joyous occasions, did he observe and show sorrow during their sad or calamitous days? Why not observe the Sabbath or celebrate the birthday of UZA?

The entire Muslim community has a choice: either celebrate Ashura by fasting and celebrating in allegiance to the Jews of Medina and Kuffar of Mecca or observe the calamity that befell the progeny of the Prophet (saw) in a solemn and somber manner. BTW, one of the options makes you a munafiq (hint: loving the Prophet but ignoring the calamity of his progeny)

Salam,

What about the Umawi influence in this theory? Couldn't this be an attempt to celebrate the Karbala massacre by overwriting it and making it a day of victory of the muslims over the Pharao?

The irony is that they needed the active role of jews in this story.

 

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28 minutes ago, Faruk said:

Salam,

What about the Umawi influence in this theory? Couldn't this be an attempt to celebrate the Karbala massacre by overwriting it and making it a day of victory of the muslims over the Pharao?

The irony is that they needed the active role of jews in this story.

 

Brother - the whole thing is a Umawi (Bani Ummayya) invention. Our sunnis brothers are following the inventions of the Ummayyad thinking it is from the Prophet.

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28 minutes ago, Faruk said:

Salam,

What about the Umawi influence in this theory? Couldn't this be an attempt to celebrate the Karbala massacre by overwriting it and making it a day of victory of the muslims over the Pharao?

The irony is that they needed the active role of jews in this story.

 

Brother - the whole thing is a Umawi (Bani Ummayya) invention. Our sunnis brothers are following the inventions of the Ummayyad thinking it is from the Prophet.

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8 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Brother - the whole thing is a Umawi (Bani Ummayya) invention. Our sunnis brothers are following the inventions of the Ummayyad thinking it is from the Prophet.

The hadith about Ashura resulted in the fact that people started celebrating a day on which the Prophet's progeny was martyred.

Diabolic!

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@Sumerian Sorry for tagging you in, but you're the best authority on here about Sayed Khui' (rh). If you have the time or want to clarify this, it would help but if not no problem.

Ayatullah Abul-Qasim Al-Khoie:

وأمّا الروايات المتضمّنة للأمر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة ، مثل: صحيحة القدّاح : «صيام يوم عاشوراء كفّارة سنة»
وموثّقة مسعدة بن صدقة : «صوموا العاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فإنّه يكفّر ذنوب سنة»
‘As for the encompassing narrations commanding and recommending the fast of this day, they are many, like the authentic(Sahih) narration of al-Qadaah [from Abu `Abdillah(as), from his father Abu Ja`far(as), who said: “The fasting of the day of Ashura is atonement for a year.”

And the reliable(Muwaththaq) narration of Mas`ada b. Sadaqa from Abu `Abdillah(as), from Abu Ja`far(as), who said that Imam `Ali(as) said: “Fast on Ashura, the ninth and the tenth, for verily it atones for the sins of a year.”(Source: al-Mustanad fi Sharh il-`Urwat il-Wuthqa)

 

وكيفما كان فالروايات الناهية غير نقية السند برمتها، بل هي ضعيفة بأجمعها، فليست لدينا رواية معتبرة يعتمد عليها ليحمل المعارض على التقية كما صنعه صاحب الحدائق. واما الروايات المتضمنة للامر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة، مثل صحيحة القداح: ” صيام يوم عاشوراء كفارة سنة ” وموثقة مسعدة بن صدقة: ” صوموا للعاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فانه يكفر ذنوب سنة ” ، ونحوها غيرها، وهو مساعد للاعتبار نظرا إلى المواساة مع أهل بيت الوحي وما لا قوه في هذا اليوم العصيب من جوع وعطش وساير الآلام والمصائب العظام التي هي أعظم مما تدركه الافهام والاوهام. فالاقوى استحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم من حيث هو كما ذكره في الجواهر أخذا بهذه النصوص السليمة عن المعارض كما عرفت . كتاب الصوم للخوئي ج2 ص305

The narrations that forbid this (Fasting) do not have proper Sanad, they are all weak, in fact we don’t have any respectable narrations that we can rely on to prove that those that differ with them are Taqqiyah. As for the narrations that speak about fasting this day and that it is favourable to fast there are plenty of them, such as the SAHIH of al-Qidah: “Fasting the day of ‘Ashoora removes the sins of a year.” and the Muwaththaq of Masa’adah bin Sadaqah: “Fast ‘Ashoora the ninth and the tenth for it removes the sins of an entire year.” and others like them. This is acceptable taking into consideration the unimaginably great hunger and thirst and pain that Ahlul-Bayt had to go through on that hard day. So the strongest opinion would be that it is favoured to fast this day.“ (Kitab al-Sawm by al-Khoei 2/305).

 

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1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

@Sumerian Sorry for tagging you in, but you're the best authority on here about Sayed Khui' (rh). If you have the time or want to clarify this, it would help but if not no problem.

Ayatullah Abul-Qasim Al-Khoie:

وأمّا الروايات المتضمّنة للأمر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة ، مثل: صحيحة القدّاح : «صيام يوم عاشوراء كفّارة سنة»
وموثّقة مسعدة بن صدقة : «صوموا العاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فإنّه يكفّر ذنوب سنة»
‘As for the encompassing narrations commanding and recommending the fast of this day, they are many, like the authentic(Sahih) narration of al-Qadaah [from Abu `Abdillah(as), from his father Abu Ja`far(as), who said: “The fasting of the day of Ashura is atonement for a year.”

And the reliable(Muwaththaq) narration of Mas`ada b. Sadaqa from Abu `Abdillah(as), from Abu Ja`far(as), who said that Imam `Ali(as) said: “Fast on Ashura, the ninth and the tenth, for verily it atones for the sins of a year.”(Source: al-Mustanad fi Sharh il-`Urwat il-Wuthqa)

 

وكيفما كان فالروايات الناهية غير نقية السند برمتها، بل هي ضعيفة بأجمعها، فليست لدينا رواية معتبرة يعتمد عليها ليحمل المعارض على التقية كما صنعه صاحب الحدائق. واما الروايات المتضمنة للامر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة، مثل صحيحة القداح: ” صيام يوم عاشوراء كفارة سنة ” وموثقة مسعدة بن صدقة: ” صوموا للعاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فانه يكفر ذنوب سنة ” ، ونحوها غيرها، وهو مساعد للاعتبار نظرا إلى المواساة مع أهل بيت الوحي وما لا قوه في هذا اليوم العصيب من جوع وعطش وساير الآلام والمصائب العظام التي هي أعظم مما تدركه الافهام والاوهام. فالاقوى استحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم من حيث هو كما ذكره في الجواهر أخذا بهذه النصوص السليمة عن المعارض كما عرفت . كتاب الصوم للخوئي ج2 ص305

The narrations that forbid this (Fasting) do not have proper Sanad, they are all weak, in fact we don’t have any respectable narrations that we can rely on to prove that those that differ with them are Taqqiyah. As for the narrations that speak about fasting this day and that it is favourable to fast there are plenty of them, such as the SAHIH of al-Qidah: “Fasting the day of ‘Ashoora removes the sins of a year.” and the Muwaththaq of Masa’adah bin Sadaqah: “Fast ‘Ashoora the ninth and the tenth for it removes the sins of an entire year.” and others like them. This is acceptable taking into consideration the unimaginably great hunger and thirst and pain that Ahlul-Bayt had to go through on that hard day. So the strongest opinion would be that it is favoured to fast this day.“ (Kitab al-Sawm by al-Khoei 2/305).

 

Unless you are in Al-Khoei's taqleed, this is another useless post.

Sistani says it's makrouh:

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2282/

So does Ayatollah Khamenei

Fasting on Ashura per al-Khoei:

1756. It is abominable to fast on Ashura (10th of
Moharrum). It is also abominable to fast an the day about
which it is not sure as to whether it is the day of Arafaa or
Eidul qurban.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.duas.org/epub/tawzih_al_khoei.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiFrZvkqsXZAhUSm1kKHQgWAIIQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1fZVFABSYYwOK_N4g7fIVb

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4 hours ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

@Sumerian Sorry for tagging you in, but you're the best authority on here about Sayed Khui' (rh). If you have the time or want to clarify this, it would help but if not no problem.

Ayatullah Abul-Qasim Al-Khoie:

وأمّا الروايات المتضمّنة للأمر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة ، مثل: صحيحة القدّاح : «صيام يوم عاشوراء كفّارة سنة»
وموثّقة مسعدة بن صدقة : «صوموا العاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فإنّه يكفّر ذنوب سنة»
‘As for the encompassing narrations commanding and recommending the fast of this day, they are many, like the authentic(Sahih) narration of al-Qadaah [from Abu `Abdillah(as), from his father Abu Ja`far(as), who said: “The fasting of the day of Ashura is atonement for a year.”

And the reliable(Muwaththaq) narration of Mas`ada b. Sadaqa from Abu `Abdillah(as), from Abu Ja`far(as), who said that Imam `Ali(as) said: “Fast on Ashura, the ninth and the tenth, for verily it atones for the sins of a year.”(Source: al-Mustanad fi Sharh il-`Urwat il-Wuthqa)

 

وكيفما كان فالروايات الناهية غير نقية السند برمتها، بل هي ضعيفة بأجمعها، فليست لدينا رواية معتبرة يعتمد عليها ليحمل المعارض على التقية كما صنعه صاحب الحدائق. واما الروايات المتضمنة للامر واستحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم فكثيرة، مثل صحيحة القداح: ” صيام يوم عاشوراء كفارة سنة ” وموثقة مسعدة بن صدقة: ” صوموا للعاشوراء التاسع والعاشر فانه يكفر ذنوب سنة ” ، ونحوها غيرها، وهو مساعد للاعتبار نظرا إلى المواساة مع أهل بيت الوحي وما لا قوه في هذا اليوم العصيب من جوع وعطش وساير الآلام والمصائب العظام التي هي أعظم مما تدركه الافهام والاوهام. فالاقوى استحباب الصوم في هذا اليوم من حيث هو كما ذكره في الجواهر أخذا بهذه النصوص السليمة عن المعارض كما عرفت . كتاب الصوم للخوئي ج2 ص305

The narrations that forbid this (Fasting) do not have proper Sanad, they are all weak, in fact we don’t have any respectable narrations that we can rely on to prove that those that differ with them are Taqqiyah. As for the narrations that speak about fasting this day and that it is favourable to fast there are plenty of them, such as the SAHIH of al-Qidah: “Fasting the day of ‘Ashoora removes the sins of a year.” and the Muwaththaq of Masa’adah bin Sadaqah: “Fast ‘Ashoora the ninth and the tenth for it removes the sins of an entire year.” and others like them. This is acceptable taking into consideration the unimaginably great hunger and thirst and pain that Ahlul-Bayt had to go through on that hard day. So the strongest opinion would be that it is favoured to fast this day.“ (Kitab al-Sawm by al-Khoei 2/305).

 

The jurists have historically differed on this issue, some said it is makrouh, some said it is mustahab in and of itself, some said it is mustahab for the sake of grief. And if you read the narrations from our side, some have praised fasting on this day, whilst others denounced it.

Sayyed Al-Khoei (ra) said it is mustahab to fast in Ashura, as did Muhaqqiq Al-Hilli (ra) and Shaykh Muhammad Al-Najafi (ra) whom are all heavyweights in Fiqh.

However if one fasts this day for the sake of happiness or tabarruk concerning what happened to Ahlulbayt (as) on this day, then no doubt that is haram.

NOTE: Sayyed Al-Khoei (ra) says it may have been wajib to fast on Ashura before the fasting of the Holy Month of Ramadan was revealed.

For more;

http://www.alkhoei.net/ar/texes/17/صوم عاشوراء لدى السيد الخوئي

 

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3 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

Fasting on Ashura per al-Khoei:

1756. It is abominable to fast on Ashura (10th of
Moharrum). It is also abominable to fast an the day about
which it is not sure as to whether it is the day of Arafaa or
Eidul qurban.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.duas.org/epub/tawzih_al_khoei.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiFrZvkqsXZAhUSm1kKHQgWAIIQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1fZVFABSYYwOK_N4g7fIVb

This is not accurate brother. The correct opinion is that he ruled it mustahab, as what his official website says.

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5 hours ago, Sumerian said:

This is not accurate brother. The correct opinion is that he ruled it mustahab, as what his official website says.

The screenshot is from his tawzih:

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Also, from your website, http://www.alkhoei.net/ar/khlib/view/style2/185, please go to pg 367, it also says the same thing in this tawzih

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We have to be smart enough to distinguish hadith from fatwa.

I have provided 2 authentic references where Al-Khoei has clearly stated that it is ABOMINABLE to fast on Ashura.

I am certain you wont and don't fast on Ashura as much as I am certain @Intellectual Resistance will fast on Ashura to appease the Sunnis.

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1 hour ago, shiaman14 said:

 

I am certain you wont and don't fast on Ashura as much as I am certain @Intellectual Resistance will fast on Ashura to appease the Sunnis.

Let's keep the personal attacks out please. I have never fasted on Ashura. I brought forth these traditions and statements of Sayed Khui' (rh) for a discussion, and clarification. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Let's keep the personal attacks out please. I have never fasted on Ashura. I brought forth these traditions and statements of Sayed Khui' (rh) for a discussion, and clarification. 

 

Its not a personal attack brother. Posting half information is not good. If you had posted his fatwa along with what he says about hadith, it would be different. I think all marajae are pretty unanimous in not permitting fasting on ashura.

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3 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Its not a personal attack brother. Posting half information is not good. If you had posted his fatwa along with what he says about hadith, it would be different. I think all marajae are pretty unanimous in not permitting fasting on ashura.

Wait for Sumerian to answer. 

 

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34 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Wait for Sumerian to answer. 

 

I gave you Al-Khoei's fatwa from his tawzih. If my word isn't good enough, just say so.

I believe in taqleed so if my marja says it is makrouh, then I obey him. You can present as many hadith as you want but rest assured my marja has seen more than you and issues an edict after verifying multiple sources. And not just my marja, countless marajae have said so.

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2 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

I gave you Al-Khoei's fatwa from his tawzih. If my word isn't good enough, just say so.

I believe in taqleed so if my marja says it is makrouh, then I obey him. You can present as many hadith as you want but rest assured my marja has seen more than you and issues an edict after verifying multiple sources. And not just my marja, countless marajae have said so.

As i've said, wait for Sumerian on the proper view of Sayed Khui'. He has access to the real Arabic, the original books , rather than english-made websites which have been known to sometimes be inaccurate. He will come and clarify. 

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12 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

As i've said, wait for Sumerian on the proper view of Sayed Khui'. He has access to the real Arabic, the original books , rather than english-made websites which have been known to sometimes be inaccurate. He will come and clarify. 

the english came from the same website that @Sumerian referenced.

There is no confusion - Fasting on Ashura is Abominable.

Are you in Al-Khoei's taqleed?

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Just now, shiaman14 said:

the english came from the same website that @Sumerian referenced.

There is no confusion - Fasting on Ashura is Abominable.

Are you in Al-Khoei's taqleed?

Once more brother, wait for Sumerian. This isn't an issue about Taqleed, we each follow our own Marji' and i am in your camp in this. However your thread was about debunking fasting in the first place, and i feel it would not be right to leave it without showing the views of a number of major scholars and their verdicts on the most reliable traditions and their conclusions. It isn't a myth, it's a debated issue with difference of view. 

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7 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Once more brother, wait for Sumerian. This isn't an issue about Taqleed, we each follow our own Marji' and i am in your camp in this. However your thread was about debunking fasting in the first place, and i feel it would not be right to leave it without showing the views of a number of major scholars and their verdicts on the most reliable traditions and their conclusions. It isn't a myth, it's a debated issue with difference of view. 

I guess @Sumerian will come in and override the fatwa of Al-Khoei.

If you wanted to present an overall view, then you should have presented the exact fatwa of Al-Khoei as well.

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FORGERIES OF THE ENEMIES OF IMAM HUSAYN (A)

The summary of the aforementioned worthy essay of ‘Allamah al-Majlisi is that the reports that are ascribed to the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) concerning the merits of the tenth of Muharram, the Day of ‘Ashura’, are all in all fabricated. This topic has been discussed at length by the author of Shifa’ al-Sudurat explaining the famous Ziyarat ‘Ashura’ and, precisely, the statement that reads, “O Allah, verily, the descendants of Umayyah saw a good omen in this day... etc.”

The summary of the author’s explanation is as follows: The Umayyads used to regard this day as good omen and they thus used to do many things on it.

(1) They betook as custom on this day storing up the annual nutriment considering such to achieve happiness, good livelihood, and luxury up to the next year. In order to deny this bad habit, the Holy Imams (a.s.) warned against it in many narrations.

(2) They considered the tenth of Muharram a feast day on which they would commit to the manners of celebration, such as conferring upon the family members with whatever they need, procuring new clothes, having one’s mustache cut, trimming the nails, and shaking hands with each other as well as other norms.

(3) They and their fans have been observing fasting on the tenth of Muharram after they have fabricated numerous traditions entailing the significance of observing fasting on this day.

(4) They and their fans have declared that it is recommended to supplicate Almighty Allah on this day. In order to confirm this forgery, they have invented many merits for this day, included them with fabricated supplications, and taught them to the miscreants of the nation so that they would confuse people and make the matter ambiguous for them. The pro-Umayyad orators used to declare before people that a good event occurred to each Prophet on this day, such as that the fire that Nimrod the tyrannical ruler provoked in order to throw Prophet Abraham (a.s.) there was extinguished on the tenth of Muharram! Pharaoh who chased Prophet Moses (a.s.) was drowned on the tenth of Muharram! Prophet Jesus was saved from crucifixion on the tenth of Muharram!

 

Supporting this, Shaykh al-Saduq has reported that Jibillah al-Makkiyyah said that she heard Maytham al-Tammar - may Allah sanctify his soul - saying, “By Allah I swear, this nation will kill the grandson of their Prophet on the tenth of Muharram. The enemies of Allah will betake that day as blessed day. This shall inevitably take place, because it has been already cited in the eternal knowledge of Almighty Allah. I knew these facts from my master and the commander of the believers (namely, Imam Ali ibn Abi-Talib) (a.s.).”

Jibillah (the reporter) then said that she asked Maytham, “How come that the people will betake the day on which al-Husayn (a.s.) will be slain as blessed day?”

As he wept, Maytham answered, “They will fabricate traditions and will falsely claim that Almighty Allah accepted the repentance of Prophet Adam on the tenth of Muharram. The truth about this is that Almighty Allah accepted the repentance of Prophet Adam (a.s.) in Dhi’l-Hijjah. They will falsely claim that Almighty Allah saved Prophet Jonah from the fish that had swallowed him on the tenth of Muharram. The truth about this is that the event was in Dhi’l-Qa’dah. They will falsely claim that the Ark of Prophet Noah rested on Mount Judi on the tenth of Muharram. The truth about this is that the Ark rested on the tenth of Dhi’l-Hijjah. They will falsely claim that Almighty Allah split the river for Prophet Moses to cross on the tenth of Muharram. The truth about this is that the event occurred in Rabi’ al-Awwal... etc.”

This narration of Maytham al-Tammar has, openly and plainly, confirmed that such traditions were invented and fabricated against the Holy Infallibles (a.s.). It is also one of the signs indicating the true Prophethood of the Holy Prophet Muhammad(a.s.) and the true Divinely commissioned leadership of the Holy Imams (a.s.). Finally, it acts as one of the proofs on the veracity and honesty of Shi’ism. In this narration, Imam Ali(a.s.) undoubtedly predicted that which we have been experiencing and witnessing, which is the fabrications and the forgery of lies against the Holy Infallibles (a.s.).

Despite all that, the most surprising thing is to notice that some people contrive a supplicatory prayer comprising the aforementioned lies and some unskilled and inexpert writers add such a fabricated supplication to their books that take their way to the publics who will then recite it, although it is surely forbidden to believe in such a false supplication, because it is fabricated. Beginning with statements of praise and glorification of Almighty Allah, this false supplication comprises statements such as “O He Who accepted the repentance of Adam on the Day of ‘Ashura’! O He Who raised Idris to the heavens on the Day of ‘Ashura’! O He Who made the Ark of Noah rest on Mount Judi on the Day of ‘Ashura’! O He Who saved Abraham from fire on the Day of ‘Ashura’... etc.”

Undoubtedly, this supplication was invented by the Nasibis (or Nawasib)of al-Madinah, the Khawarij of Muscat, or their likes who imitated the Umayyads in their wrongdoings against the Household of the Holy Prophet.

 

It is narrated that when Prophet Moses (a.s.) was ordered to meet the Scholar, namely al-Khadir (a.s.),the first matter they discussed was the misfortune that the Household of Prophet Muhammad(a.s.) would face. They therefore wept heavily for these misfortunes.

Ibn ‘Abbas is reported to have said, “When I accompanied Imam Ali(a.s.) in Dhi-Qar, he took out a paper comprising the dictations of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) and handwritten by Imam Ali(a.s.) himself. He read some segments of that paper and I heard. It contained the story of Imam al-Husayn’s martyrdom with full details of the way he would be killed, the person who would kill him, those who would support him, and those who would be martyred with him. Imam Ali(a.s.) then wept heavily and caused me to weep.”

 

At any rate, if one offers water to people on this day at the holy tomb of Imam al-Husayn (a.s.), his reward will be similar to the reward of one who offered water to the companions of Imam al-Husayn (a.s.) at Karbala’. A great reward is also recorded for one who repeats Surah al-Tawheed one thousand times on this day. It is narrated that Almighty Allah shall have a merciful look at one who repeats this Surah one thousand times on this day.

THE 10TH OF MUHARRAM (THE DAY OF ASHURA)

On this day, Imam al-Husayn (a.s.) was martyred. It is indeed the day of the calamitous misfortune and the day of grief for the Holy Imams (a.s.) and their adherents. Thus, the Shi’ah are required to stop earning any worldly benefit, stop storing anything in their houses, and devote themselves to weeping and mourning the misfortunes of Imam al-Husayn (a.s.). 

http://alhassanain.org/english/?com=book&id=928#

 

THE 10TH DAY & NIGHT OF MUHARRAM (ASHURA)

THE ‘ASHURA’ NIGHT

 

THE 10TH OF MUHARRAM (THE DAY OF ASHURA)

FORGERIES OF THE ENEMIES OF IMAM AL-HUSAYN

http://alhassanain.org/english/?com=book&id=928#

 

 

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19 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

The screenshot is from his tawzih:

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Also, from your website, http://www.alkhoei.net/ar/khlib/view/style2/185, please go to pg 367, it also says the same thing in this tawzih

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We have to be smart enough to distinguish hadith from fatwa.

I have provided 2 authentic references where Al-Khoei has clearly stated that it is ABOMINABLE to fast on Ashura.

I am certain you wont and don't fast on Ashura as much as I am certain @Intellectual Resistance will fast on Ashura to appease the Sunnis.

I am aware of what it says and this is not the first time the English translation is off in this book.

It was off here too, as brother @Ibn al-Hussain brought to my attention;

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235049022-family-honor-killings/?do=findComment&comment=3041723

This is why when you refer to his commentary on Urwat Al-Wuthqa or his Minhaj Al-Saliheen, you will find a lot of issues with the English translations circling around on the web.

That same website we both linked - the Arabic version of it says Sayyed Al-Khoei ruled it as mustahab, so clearly somewhere its off. And like I said, if you refer to his commentary in Urwat Al-Wuthqa, he says the correct position is it is mustahab.

Here is another link;

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=3258

Not only does the Sayyed here claim it is mustahab, he is attempting to refute those who say it is makrouh.

I don't fast it because my marja says it is makrouh. I'm only discussing what Sayyed Al-Khoei says. And it's not like he is the only jurist who called it mustahab, like I said Muhaqqiq Al-Hilli said that too. All that I am trying to establish is that the istihbaab on fasting on Ashura has been differed upon historically by Shi'i jurists themselves. 

I don't care about Sunnis. 

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More on the opinion of some of the jurists historically;

Those who said it is haram;

Al-Majlisi, Al-Bahrani, Al-Ustadh Al-Khorasani, Al-Naraqi.

Those who said it is makrouh;

Along with seemingly the majority of current marajae, Al-Yazdi, Al-Burujerdi, Al-Hakim, Al-Sabzawari and more. Note that some of them who say it is makrouh might say it is mustahab or preferable to abstain from eating or drinking (imsaak) until Asr time, and Sayyed Al-Sistani also says it is perferable to do this.

Those who said it is conditionally mustahab (attached with grief);

Al-Tusi, Al-Mufid, Ibn Al-Barraj, Ibn Idris, Muhaqqiq Al-Hilli and more.

Those who said it is unconditionally mustahab;

Al-Saduq, Agha Khwansari, Al-Khoei.

http://www.valiasr-aj.com/persian/shownews.php?idnews=6288#_Toc310769471

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6 hours ago, Sumerian said:

I am aware of what it says and this is not the first time the English translation is off in this book.

It was off here too, as brother @Ibn al-Hussain brought to my attention;

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235049022-family-honor-killings/?do=findComment&comment=3041723

This is why when you refer to his commentary on Urwat Al-Wuthqa or his Minhaj Al-Saliheen, you will find a lot of issues with the English translations circling around on the web.

That same website we both linked - the Arabic version of it says Sayyed Al-Khoei ruled it as mustahab, so clearly somewhere its off. And like I said, if you refer to his commentary in Urwat Al-Wuthqa, he says the correct position is it is mustahab.

Here is another link;

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=3258

Not only does the Sayyed here claim it is mustahab, he is attempting to refute those who say it is makrouh.

I don't fast it because my marja says it is makrouh. I'm only discussing what Sayyed Al-Khoei says. And it's not like he is the only jurist who called it mustahab, like I said Muhaqqiq Al-Hilli said that too. All that I am trying to establish is that the istihbaab on fasting on Ashura has been differed upon historically by Shi'i jurists themselves. 

I don't care about Sunnis. 

Salaam brother,

I understand he has said that but what is in his tawzih is what his muqallids are to follow. And his tawzih is pretty clear that he considers it abominable.

It is almost similar to where Allama Majlisi says there are authentic reports about tahreef in Quran but then he also states quite clearly that he himself does not believe in tahreef.

So the much respected Al-Khoei can reference authentic narrations but still deem it abominable.

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2 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

Salaam brother,

I understand he has said that but what is in his tawzih is what his muqallids are to follow. And his tawzih is pretty clear that he considers it abominable.

It is almost similar to where Allama Majlisi says there are authentic reports about tahreef in Quran but then he also states quite clearly that he himself does not believe in tahreef.

So the much respected Al-Khoei can reference authentic narrations but still deem it abominable.

wa alaykum al salam

How so? I didn't say he said the reports are authentic, I said he did a fatwa claiming it is mustahab.

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5 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

wa alaykum al salam

How so? I didn't say he said the reports are authentic, I said he did a fatwa claiming it is mustahab.

in his tawzih?

Can you please paste the arabic from his tawzih...issue number 1756 specifically

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8 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

in his tawzih?

Can you please paste the arabic from his tawzih...issue number 1756 specifically

Al-Tawzih is not in Arabic brother. His  main Arabic risalas are Minhaj Al-Saliheen or Urwat Al-Wuthqa (commentary).

Al-Tawzih is his Farsi risala. I can't read Farsi unfortunately so if any brother can help us out that would be great.

@Ibn al-Hussain

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