should i do Muta?

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, MariyahLaleh said:

Good question. Im not even sure he is the same madhab.

He hasn't given you any reasons to question his religion so please refrain from such comments. Thank you.

[Fakeha]

3 minutes ago, Marbles said:

Indian before 1947.

Oh... He is beautiful, he is young, he is a piece of art.. Don't you remember he is just 31 (bechara)!!

Sorry :p

[Islandsandmirrors]

For @molaayi_from_lahore

For those who have abandoned your wives because they gave birth and lost their original physique or figure, shame on you. She lost her pretty body to have your kids, the product of your love. So why don't you honour her instead.

You should always have in your mind that you are married to the most beautiful woman on earth, and when she is ninety-nine years, she will still be the most beautiful woman on earth. Never compare her to another woman. Don't compare your wives body to any woman who has not paid the price to bear your children.

[MariyahLaleh]

Just now, Fakeha said:

Not interested in that.. But he scared me!! I am scared of getting married.. Are all men thinks the same way??

No not at all. I was Sunni, a widow with five young children and my shia husband married me without hesitation. He paid for my nursing education and my bachelors degree as my mahr. He raised and cared for my 5 eldest kids and insisted they be raised Sunni till they could make the decision. Never had a sunni man even inquire beyond knowing i had five fatherless children. My kids call him pops but know the legacy of their birth father. I finally became shia last year. Actions speak louder than words. If a man treats his mother with respect and treats you nicely then he is the man, whether rich or poor.

[Fakeha]

4 minutes ago, starlight said:

I wasn't aware that their was an Indian lahore too.

I want him to answer where he belongs 

[Marbles]

10 minutes ago, Fakeha said:

Are all men thinks the same way??

[MariyahLaleh]

14 minutes ago, starlight said:

He hasn't given you any reasons to question his religion so please refrain from such comments. Thank you.

By that I was referring whether he is sunni or shia, beyond that not my call,  Many general Muslims from the world relate to Maliki, Shafii, Hanafi, Hanabali and JAFARI as madhabs not sects: to them the Ummah is one. Not questioning his religion in any context. Let me assure you since I have not been always Shia and some others think in different contexts. Allah alone may judge. Also his madhab would indicate if he is from Lahore whether or not he lived in the Pakistan or Indian Lahore. most hanifis moved north.

 

Edited September 3, 2017 by MariyahLaleh
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[Fakeha]

4 minutes ago, MariyahLaleh said:

No not at all. I was Sunni, a widow with five young children and my shia husband married me without hesitation. He paid for my nursing education and my bachelors degree as my mahr. He raised and cared for my 5 eldest kids and insisted they be raised Sunni till they could make the decision. Never had a sunni man even inquire beyond knowing i had five fatherless children. My kids call him pops but know the legacy of their birth father. I finally became shia last year. Actions speak louder than words. If a man treats his mother with respect and treats you nicely then he is the man, whether rich or poor.

At this very moment, i am so thankful to your husband... He is a spark of hope between all this

May Allah bless you both and your family with the best

And of course, Welcome to the family in faith

[Fakeha]

3 minutes ago, Marbles said:

 

[User4628568309]

1 hour ago, rkazmi33 said:

I know what type of person OP is because my ex husband was from same city Lahore. If anyone asked him about me, I am sure he would describe me in exact same words. He wasn't so careful when he passed remarks at me in private. He didn't work because he belonged to a rich family. His only purpose in life was to work on his body and flirt with girls. I won't give any benefit of doubt to the OP. 

100% of people who drink water die.

[User4628568309]

All the guy said is he wants to take a second wife because the first completely let herself go, and you've all lost your heads, frothing at the keyboard with countless posts trying to tear him to shreds. Is this how you all treat your problems in real life? My lord, have some composure. 

I don't see the logic in people holding him responsible for his wife's mental health, she has her own agency and he's not God, it has no relevance to his option to marry other women.

Edited September 3, 2017 by IbnMariam

[MariyahLaleh]

4 minutes ago, IbnMariam said:

All the guy said is he wants to take a second wife because the first completely let herself go, and you've all lost your heads, frothing at the keyboard with countless posts trying to tear him to shreds. Is this how you all treat your problems in real life? My lord, have some composure. 

I don't see the logic in people holding him responsible for his wife's mental health, she has her own agency and he's not God, it has no relevance to his option to marry other women.

I dont see anyone being torn to shreds. I think separating these questions by gender would be a wise move if it can be done. The sisters see the world from a different point of view than a man would. The brother as I mentioned has his rights, and maybe this question is better asked somewhere in a male only forum. I wish him the best in his endeavors. The ladies have their rights too, might be a good time to close this thread and lower our gazes. And men are responsible for the maintenance and well being in general of their wives in Islam, its in the quran and to each his or her own. Not for us to question.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, IbnMariam said:

you've all lost your heads, frothing at the keyboard with countless posts trying to tear him to shreds. Is this how you all treat your problems in real life? My lord, have some composure. 

All I was doing was playing the devil's advocate to infuriate the sisters.

[MariyahLaleh]

Just now, starlight said:

All I was doing was playing the devil's advocate to infuriate the sisters.

Dont worry, it is getting to be too much of a locker room....I have to agree we need to back down. we still love you!

[Sumerian]

9 hours ago, rkazmi33 said:

Well it's just my word vs your word. This is not an exception, it does happen. Most women do get over weight after having kids. 

If gluttony is condemned, then higher sex drive is also condemned. Looks are important but fulfilling responsibilities is much more important. Even men who really earn halal living, work hard at their jobs and go through stress, start looking old in few years. 

It is an exception. I never denied females gaining weight after pregnancy, I am denying that it is normal that females gain 30-40kg after pregnancy. That's not normal, for any human being.

A higher drive is not actually condemned at all. 

[molaayi_from_lahore]

On 9/3/2017 at 6:59 AM, Fakeha said:

@molaayi_from_lahore i have a question or suggestion i don't know!! 

What if your second wife became heavy after you guys settled down?? Will your heart be free for another one?? What about the third one?? Will it end somewhere??will you stop somewhere??

I cannot say anything at this point. It may or may not be...

[molaayi_from_lahore]

23 hours ago, starlight said:

Then you haven't met enough women back home. Desi men aren't cruel and desi women and not oppressed so please stop generalising.  (This is coming from someone who was married to a physically abusive man,so I can be anything but biased towards desi men here)

What's stopping women from taking care of kids and remaining fit? There is only one reason (other than any medical problems) lack of self control and laziness.Obesity isn't just being over weight. It's an irresponsible mindset.

I have been married,had kids, have worked(job +100% of the housework) and gotten a degree and haven't been over weight a day in my life. I have a over a dozen colleagues who will tell you the same.

Seriously, how many minutes does it take to do planks? Or run up and down the stairs? 

you are a single mother? how old are your kids?

[molaayi_from_lahore]

Someone asked me in this thread that why I don't bring her a housemaid to help in chorse. We have already a housemaide helping her in home chores but not all. There are some things in home which can only be taken care of by my wife and we (our family generally) do not like maids to do those stuff for us e.g. cooking meals and doing some personal stuff with children etc... So she has to do that herself. We can't hire any cheff or housemaid to cook 'roti' or daily meals for us (partly due to hygenic conditions) and such tasks take a lot of time so she cannot go to gym. 

[molaayi_from_lahore]

21 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

One of the reasons why we are to wear hijab is to not be thought of as sexual objects by men. Because are more than just our bodies.

 

Can't a wife be a sexual object for his husband? She is not bound to wear hijab (or many other things) in front of her husband.

[Sumerian]

I am really impressed with the way the O.P articulated himself despite the insults and abuse coming his way. 

However, what I would say to you brother is exposing another believer's shortcomings is gheeba, so I would suggest you change the way you speak about your wife. Focus on the reasons to why you want to do mut'ah without mentioning the shortcomings of your wife.

[molaayi_from_lahore]

answering someone's questions...

I am from Lahore, Pakistan, never went to India, although have travelled world and I am a twelver shia by birth.

[Islandsandmirrors]

Someone who exposes his wife's shortcomings like the way the OP has doesn't respect or love his wife at all. 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

48 minutes ago, E.L King said:

I am really impressed with the way the O.P articulated himself despite the insults and abuse coming his way. 

However, what I would say to you brother is exposing another believer's shortcomings is gheeba, so I would suggest you change the way you speak about your wife. Focus on the reasons to why you want to do mut'ah without mentioning the shortcomings of your wife.

@E.L King What abuse coming the OP's way? I don't see it, I think the OP should focus less on mutah and more on the family as his first priority. He can keep working out to lower his urges. I am surprised that you didn't say anything about the women flirting with him, had it been me, I would have been told to go to a different gym.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Gaius I. Caesar

[Fakeha]

1 hour ago, molaayi_from_lahore said:

I cannot say anything at this point. It may or may not be...

Bhaeee waahh!! 

[Fakeha]

1 hour ago, molaayi_from_lahore said:

answering someone's questions...

I am from Lahore, Pakistan, never went to India, although have travelled world and I am a twelver shia by birth.

Bhaeee wahhh..!!

[Fakeha]

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@E.L King What abuse coming the OP's way? I don't see it, I think the OP should focus less on mutah and more on the family as his first priority. He can keep working out to lower his urges. I am surprised that you didn't say anything about the women flirting with him, had it been me, I would have been told to go to a different gym.

Don't you notice that he is so proud of being center of attraction for women?? 

I agree with the family ,priority thing.. 

Edited September 4, 2017 by Fakeha

[Fakeha]

@molaayi_from_lahore was this your love or arrange mairrage?? Why did you marry her??

[Islandsandmirrors]

2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@E.L King What abuse coming the OP's way? I don't see it, I think the OP should focus less on mutah and more on the family as his first priority. He can keep working out to lower his urges. I am surprised that you didn't say anything about the women flirting with him, had it been me, I would have been told to go to a different gym.

He probably didn't mention about other women flirting with him because I think EL blames the OP's wife for being out of shape and "unattractive".

Edited September 4, 2017 by Islandsandmirrors

[User4628568309]

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@E.L King What abuse coming the OP's way? I don't see it, I think the OP should focus less on mutah and more on the family as his first priority (1). He can keep working out to lower his urges (2). I am surprised that you didn't say anything about the women flirting with him, had it been me, I would have been told to go to a different gym (3).

1. What does this even mean? Is there some contradiction between doing mut'ah and providing for/taking care of you're family? It's nonsense.

2. That will increase the urges but that's besides the point.. Why do you and other posters speak as if sexual urges are some sort of poison that the devil places in man's psyche? God put the love of women in men, it's not hard to understand.

3. Nah now it's just obvious your looking for reasons to rinse the yute. Women exist outside of the gym my G.

[Islandsandmirrors]

1 hour ago, IbnMariam said:

2. That will increase the urges but that's besides the point.. Why do you and other posters speak as if sexual urges are some sort of poison that the devil places in man's psyche? God put the love of women in men, it's not hard to understand.

The problem is that he's ungrateful of his wife that Allah has blessed him with. Instead of chasing other woman, he should be thankful of what has been given to him. 

[ali_fatheroforphans]

7 hours ago, molaayi_from_lahore said:

There are some things in home which can only be taken care of by my wife and we (our family generally) do not like maids to do those stuff for us e.g. cooking meals and doing some personal stuff with children etc...

Is it harram for the male to cook food? You're clearly an ungrateful person. Your wife is busy making you delicious food, while you just keep doing ab crunches. Now you're proud of your six packs and feel that your wife is not up to your standards. 

Now you complain about her not having time to go to the gym because she is busy doing house chores. We're living in the 21st century man, you can also help you wife a bit. Don't you want to follow the example of Imam Ali (as) who would help his wife with the house chores?

[Sumerian]

7 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@E.L King What abuse coming the OP's way? I don't see it, I think the OP should focus less on mutah and more on the family as his first priority. He can keep working out to lower his urges. I am surprised that you didn't say anything about the women flirting with him, had it been me, I would have been told to go to a different gym.

Yes, because you don't see calling someone a jerk as insult and abuse? Maybe you haven't been reading the threads properly.

As for flirting with females, that is wrong and haram. Thanks for reminding me, yes the O.P should abstain from that.

I haven't commented on whether he should do mut'ah or not.

4 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

He probably didn't mention about other women flirting with him because I think EL blames the OP's wife for being out of shape and "unattractive".

You thought wrong

[Zavon]

1 hour ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Is it harram for the male to cook food? You're clearly an ungrateful person. 

Lol. My father is a great cook himself. 'Maybe' OP isn't used to cooking, doing laundry, ironing, cleaning and wiping floor, etc. @OP live "down to earth" bro! 

Edited September 5, 2017 by Zavon

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[Irfani313]

@molaayi_from_lahore

You asked me somewhere how to do Muta? Can't teach you that! But I can teach you this that learning the fiqh rules about Mutah and Nikah Daem are extremely important, because without these you would surely fall in Zana. Same are learning the rules of fiqh of doing business because without this you would surely fall in usury (from hadith of 1st Imam).