Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله
SunniBrother

Who is a Sunni

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

I saw here that there's a growing confusion regarding who is Sunni and who is not. Although I will be called a deviant by some so called 'sunnis' here I will write this nonetheless. Just a reminder that I will be posting the opinion of the people of majority - Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah and I wont reply to any attack or accusation from some of these so called 'sunnis' here.

Aqeedah - Sunnis follow 2 schools of theology with 2 more basic forms of aqeedah - The schools are Ashari and Maturudi school and the basic aqeedahs are Tahawi and Athari. We condemn Athari views associated with Ibn Taymiyyah ever since he was alive, we recognize that he commited many acts of Kufr regarding aqeedah.

Madhabs - We follow four madhabs: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali.

Sufism - We don't regard Sufism a deviation, but tawwasuf is a science of Islam. There are a few tariqas that are widely spread that are part of sunni Islam such as Naqshbandi, Shadhili, Qadiri, Ba'alawi, among others.

Imam Ahmad Rida Khan - We recognize the lofty scholar Ahmad Rida through his works and writings, love for him is a sign of the people of the prophetic way (sunnah) and enmity for him is a sign of the people of bidah. With that spoken, the vast majority of 'barelvis' in the subcontinent are regarded as Ahl al sunnah whal Jammah no matter how much some deviants yap about it.

Prophet (s.a.w.s) - We believe that Muhammad (s.a.w.s) was the perfect man, made of noor and that he is 'alive' in his grave. We believe that Muhammad (s.a.w.s) is the master of all creation and that he predates the creation of the world by Qadr.

Yazidi (l.a) - Praising Yazidi (l.a) is a sign of deviation and we are allowed to send lamat towards him. The wahhabis praising Yazidi (l.a) is a clear sign of their deviation.

Ahl Al Bayt - We have plenty of scholars who are from the Ahl Al Bayt such as Muhammad Al Yaqoubi, Habib Umar, among others. The only ones denying that are wahhabis and they usually spout their venom towards the Ahl al Bayt while screaming "Bidah, Shirk, Kufr, Sufi this Sufi that." Love for the Ahl Al Bayt is a sign of ishan.

We believe in Saints (Awliya)

We don't believe that saying "Ya Ali, Ya Muhammad, Ya Hussein" is shirk.

Main difference with salafis - Salafis believe that the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) Was a normal human being and that he did mistakes. This is kufr.

Deobandis hold various views but majority of them are not considered Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah.

There are many forms of salafism but there are some ways to spot them - Majority of them don't follow a madhab, majority of them are Hanbalis in Fiqh but not aqeedah, they love Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi and Al Albani. They blind follow of Ibn Taymiyyah. Their scholars are reduced to Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyum, Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi, Al Albani, Ibn Uthaymeen, you'll often find in their writings this repeating names. Islam have 1400 years of tradition and is a absurd to believe that it only produced in 1400 years just this scholars.

Ibn Taymiyyah - Ahl al Sunnah believe he was a scholar of this Ummah but that he committed many acts of kufr. He was a great jurist nevertheless. We have reports that he may have died a Ashari, that is why we don't takfeer him. But if someone accuse the 'scholars' that I named up there of being kaffirs I will keep my mouth shut.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

Ahl Al Bayt - We have plenty of scholars who are from the Ahl Al Bayt such as Muhammad Al Yaqoubi, Habib Umar, among others.

This is new to me. So, can you tell me who elevated these scholars to be from Ahlulbait.? 

2 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

The only ones denying that are wahhabis

We also do not believe the scholars mentioned above members of Ahlulbait (ams). 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

I have a question. How can you guys truly live a pious and halal life if you dont believe in modern day mujtaheed?

Why would we need? The biggest source of fitnah among sunnis is ijtihad being promoted among unqualified people in the deobandi and salafi circle.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I reckon Sunni scholars need to come out and educate the youth on the difference between a Sunni and Salafi.

I can imagine over time, Salafism will be dominant. I am glad that Salafis don't associate with us Shias.

Edited by ali_fatheroforphans

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

This is new to me. So, can you tell me who elevated these scholars to be from Ahlulbait.? 

We also do not believe the scholars mentioned above members of Ahlulbait (ams). 

 

7 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

This is new to me. So, can you tell me who elevated these scholars to be from Ahlulbait.? 

We also do not believe the scholars mentioned above members of Ahlulbait (ams). 

They have various documents and other ulemas attesting their lineage. Sayyid Habib Umar is from the ba'alawi sada family which are well know sayyids (Including Sheikh Al-Jifri is one also), they even trace their lineage through Imam Ja'afar (r.a). The tariqa ba'alawi have close ties with this family of sayyids.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

I saw here that there's a growing confusion regarding who is Sunni and who is not. Although I will be called a deviant by some so called 'sunnis' here I will write this nonetheless. Just a reminder that I will be posting the opinion of the people of majority - Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah and I wont reply to any attack or accusation from some of these so called 'sunnis' here.

Aqeedah - Sunnis follow 2 schools of theology with 2 more basic forms of aqeedah - The schools are Ashari and Maturudi school and the basic aqeedahs are Tahawi and Athari. We condemn Athari views associated with Ibn Taymiyyah ever since he was alive, we recognize that he commited many acts of Kufr regarding aqeedah.

Madhabs - We follow four madhabs: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali.

Sufism - We don't regard Sufism a deviation, but tawwasuf is a science of Islam. There are a few tariqas that are widely spread that are part of sunni Islam such as Naqshbandi, Shadhili, Qadiri, Ba'alawi, among others.

Imam Ahmad Rida Khan - We recognize the lofty scholar Ahmad Rida through his works and writings, love for him is a sign of the people of the prophetic way (sunnah) and enmity for him is a sign of the people of bidah. With that spoken, the vast majority of 'barelvis' in the subcontinent are regarded as Ahl al sunnah whal Jammah no matter how much some deviants yap about it.

Prophet (s.a.w.s) - We believe that Muhammad (s.a.w.s) was the perfect man, made of noor and that he is 'alive' in his grave. We believe that Muhammad (s.a.w.s) is the master of all creation and that he predates the creation of the world by Qadr.

Yazidi (l.a) - Praising Yazidi (l.a) is a sign of deviation and we are allowed to send lamat towards him. The wahhabis praising Yazidi (l.a) is a clear sign of their deviation.

Ahl Al Bayt - We have plenty of scholars who are from the Ahl Al Bayt such as Muhammad Al Yaqoubi, Habib Umar, among others. The only ones denying that are wahhabis and they usually spout their venom towards the Ahl al Bayt while screaming "Bidah, Shirk, Kufr, Sufi this Sufi that." Love for the Ahl Al Bayt is a sign of ishan.

We believe in Saints (Awliya)

We don't believe that saying "Ya Ali, Ya Muhammad, Ya Hussein" is shirk.

Main difference with salafis - Salafis believe that the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) Was a normal human being and that he did mistakes. This is kufr.

Deobandis hold various views but majority of them are not considered Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah.

There are many forms of salafism but there are some ways to spot them - Majority of them don't follow a madhab, majority of them are Hanbalis in Fiqh but not aqeedah, they love Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi and Al Albani. They blind follow of Ibn Taymiyyah. Their scholars are reduced to Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyum, Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi, Al Albani, Ibn Uthaymeen, you'll often find in their writings this repeating names. Islam have 1400 years of tradition and is a absurd to believe that it only produced in 1400 years just this scholars.

Ibn Taymiyyah - Ahl al Sunnah believe he was a scholar of this Ummah but that he committed many acts of kufr. He was a great jurist nevertheless. We have reports that he may have died a Ashari, that is why we don't takfeer him. But if someone accuse the 'scholars' that I named up there of being kaffirs I will keep my mouth shut.

Definitely there are some differences between shia and sunni. 

We shia's too believe in Awlias. And dissociate ourself from teaching of ibne Taymiyyah and wahhabi . Regarding sufism there are many shia scholars who praise the sofi understanding of Islam and say that irfan taught by shia muslims have common bases and teaching as of sufism. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

I reckon Sunni scholars need to come out and educate the youth on the difference between Ahl Al Sunnah and Salafi.

I can imagine over time, Salafism will be dominant. I am glad Salafis don't associate themselves with us Shias.

 

 

We do, is just that salafis are brainwashed to believe that everything related to sufis are bad. So they discarded 95% of Sunni traditional scholarship. Included there was Sunni conference in Grozny that declared the Salafis out of the Ahl al Sunnah. They have more money and hold more political power. Aside from that majority of ahl al sunnah can be found in the west, asia, eurasia, north africa. Aside the numerous fatwas and refutations we have, they (salafis) just make more noise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

I saw here that there's a growing confusion regarding who is Sunni and who is not. Although I will be called a deviant by some so called 'sunnis' here I will write this nonetheless. Just a reminder that I will be posting the opinion of the people of majority - Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah and I wont reply to any attack or accusation from some of these so called 'sunnis' here.

Aqeedah - Sunnis follow 2 schools of theology with 2 more basic forms of aqeedah - The schools are Ashari and Maturudi school and the basic aqeedahs are Tahawi and Athari. We condemn Athari views associated with Ibn Taymiyyah ever since he was alive, we recognize that he commited many acts of Kufr regarding aqeedah.

Madhabs - We follow four madhabs: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali.

Sufism - We don't regard Sufism a deviation, but tawwasuf is a science of Islam. There are a few tariqas that are widely spread that are part of sunni Islam such as Naqshbandi, Shadhili, Qadiri, Ba'alawi, among others.

Imam Ahmad Rida Khan - We recognize the lofty scholar Ahmad Rida through his works and writings, love for him is a sign of the people of the prophetic way (sunnah) and enmity for him is a sign of the people of bidah. With that spoken, the vast majority of 'barelvis' in the subcontinent are regarded as Ahl al sunnah whal Jammah no matter how much some deviants yap about it.

Prophet (s.a.w.s) - We believe that Muhammad (s.a.w.s) was the perfect man, made of noor and that he is 'alive' in his grave. We believe that Muhammad (s.a.w.s) is the master of all creation and that he predates the creation of the world by Qadr.

Yazidi (l.a) - Praising Yazidi (l.a) is a sign of deviation and we are allowed to send lamat towards him. The wahhabis praising Yazidi (l.a) is a clear sign of their deviation.

Ahl Al Bayt - We have plenty of scholars who are from the Ahl Al Bayt such as Muhammad Al Yaqoubi, Habib Umar, among others. The only ones denying that are wahhabis and they usually spout their venom towards the Ahl al Bayt while screaming "Bidah, Shirk, Kufr, Sufi this Sufi that." Love for the Ahl Al Bayt is a sign of ishan.

We believe in Saints (Awliya)

We don't believe that saying "Ya Ali, Ya Muhammad, Ya Hussein" is shirk.

Main difference with salafis - Salafis believe that the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) Was a normal human being and that he did mistakes. This is kufr.

Deobandis hold various views but majority of them are not considered Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah.

There are many forms of salafism but there are some ways to spot them - Majority of them don't follow a madhab, majority of them are Hanbalis in Fiqh but not aqeedah, they love Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi and Al Albani. They blind follow of Ibn Taymiyyah. Their scholars are reduced to Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyum, Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi, Al Albani, Ibn Uthaymeen, you'll often find in their writings this repeating names. Islam have 1400 years of tradition and is a absurd to believe that it only produced in 1400 years just this scholars.

Ibn Taymiyyah - Ahl al Sunnah believe he was a scholar of this Ummah but that he committed many acts of kufr. He was a great jurist nevertheless. We have reports that he may have died a Ashari, that is why we don't takfeer him. But if someone accuse the 'scholars' that I named up there of being kaffirs I will keep my mouth shut.

Who are Ahlulbayt for you ? Do you consider sometimes follow the 12 Imams instead of your own scholars ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, M.IB said:

Who are Ahlulbayt for you ? Do you consider sometimes follow the 12 Imams instead of your own scholars ?

For me the Ahl al Bayt are the descendents of Ali (r.a) and Fatima (r.a). We do recognize Imam Ja'afar (r.a) and other imams. In regard to following them we do follow them. In regard to the Imam Mahdi there isn't a consensus about him but majority opinion is that he is not born yet. In regard in loving the Ahl Al Bayt we are required to love them. Hatred of them normally is associated with the people who will side with the Dajjal at the end times.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, baqar said:

I think Sunnis made the mistake of regarding Salafis as Sunnis.

But Salafis are not Sunnis at all. 

We don't regard them as Sunnis. They themselves claim to be Sunnis and this were the confusion arrives. Now if they are Muslims or not is other topic, some say they are Muslims but bidah holders, some outright call them kaffirs, satanic cult, distortion of Islam, modern day khawarij and a minority even call the salafis being mushriks because of their anthropomorphic views and division of tawheed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

They have various documents and other ulemas attesting their lineage. Sayyid Habib Umar is from the ba'alawi sada family which are well know sayyids (Including Sheikh Al-Jifri is one also), they even trace their lineage through Imam Ja'afar (r.a). The tariqa ba'alawi have close ties with this family of sayyids.

You meant 'saadat' and not 'Ahlulbait'  while describing about the scholars. Both are different. 

There may be like billion saadat in the world right now but there were only 14 members in Ahlulbait (ams) ..and few others whom Ahlulbait (ams) have said to be from them. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...