Accusations against Sh.Habib and Sh.Allahyari

[John_313]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

In the name of Allah, all praise be to Him, the most High! May Allah send his blessings upon His messenger Muhammad and His messenger's, Muhammad's family, and hasten their reappearance and withdraw His mercy from their enemies!

I'm writing this post in order to refute the accusations against Sheikh Hassan  Allahyari (ha) and Sheikh Yasser Habib (ha), portraying them as western agents (I seek refuge in Allah).

1. "US funds Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and his TV channel."

I will try to present reasonable arguments why such claims against Sheikh Hassan Allahyari are irrational. If Sheikh Hassan Allahyari has been sponsored by the US government, why is his channel not working (for about 8 to 9 months) due to some financial problems of his? The absence of topics cannot be argued because he has opened a channel in YouTube and has been very active discussing various topics, why does he have financial problems when he can get his money directly from US government (if he was funded by US in the first place)? Most importantly, why has he asked for donations if he can manage to get his money from US or any other NATO country for that matter? Therefore, suggesting that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari serves US's interests, while all his work is supported by the narrations of our Imams, prophet and the clear verses of the Noble Qur'an, is irrational.

2. "Sheikh Yasser Habib and his TV channel are funded by the British, thus he is a "British agent"."

The same argument can be addressed regarding Sheikh Habib's TV channel. As far as we are concerned, Sheikh Yasser Habib has asked for donations in order to make a movie in his Fadak TV (about Lady Fatimah sa), by using reason and logic, we will come to know that an unbiased mind will confidently tell, that the (non evident) accusations thrown here and there without proof portraying Sheikh Habib as a Western agent (I seek refuge in Allah) don't make any sense.

Some try to use West Funded magazines and newspapers to prove that Sheikh Habib had collected a very big amount of money, which seems ironic because why would West Funded newspapers expose their agent. Even if Sheikh Habib has had a lot of money, how is that proof for his money to come from the government while donations could as well be the case? Furthermore, would the same people accuse Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani for an agent (I seek refuge in Allah) when he owns a lot of money (which a result of khums)?

3. "But they live in the west."

It is very laughable for someone to use this argument, because this doesn't mean anything at all. Very simple, the oppressive governments don't allow them to speak the truth therefore they stay in countries (don't misunderstand, I don't support any country except that I enjoy some of their rights) that offer them this right (which is daily restricting). What about Khomeini,(since most accusers are Khomeini/Khamenei followers and supporters) this question can be applied in regards to him as well, was he a French agent according to you? Khomeini went to France because the Shah had limited his "freedom" of preaching Absolute Wilayatul Faqih, simple as that.

Conclusion

Finally I present the conclusion of my topic. Through the information presented and arguments cited above, I state and conclude that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and Sheikh Yasser Habib are not western agents. For all those who want to have a debate, please message me on my PM, I will most surely respond in sha Allah when I have time. For those who are ready to criticize and respond to my arguments let me know and we will discuss all your points in this topic in sha Allah.

Glory be to Allah, we are thankful to Him and praise Him for His mercy and guidance He bestowed upon us! May Allah send His blessings upon His last messenger, and upon His last messenger's family, and hasten their reappearance, and withdraw His mercy from their enemies! May Allah guide the ones who are obedient to Him and open to His guidance! Ameen!

[Al Hadi]

Wa alaykum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu 

Allah guide you. That's all I'll say 

[John_313]

On 8/22/2017 at 3:52 PM, Al Hadi said:

Wa alaykum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu 

Allah guide you. That's all I'll say 

You too brother!

[repenter-gone4awhile]

Where exactly has your habib studied? He is a sheikh, i would like to know who his teachers were. He says his teacher was Sayed Reza Shirazi in kuwait, but when Reza shirazi moved to kuwait, he was 12, and yassir wasnt even born. Yassir was born 8 years later. By the time yassir was 10, Shirazi had already moved to Qum, so who exactly other than Mojtaba Shirazi is his teacher?

"Sheikh"

Btw, you have 10 hours to remove Dajjali Jamat from your "mood". Else i will be in the "banning" mood. 

[User4628568309]

You should really reconsider how fond you are of Yassir. You have built up this image in your head of him being this ultra pious, knowledgeable man who has come to revive true shiism which has been tainted by the filthy corrupt batri scholars who are sons of zina and bla bla bla. Habibi, listen, our religion is adhering to the Qur'an and the Ahlulbayt, there is no third part of that equation called Yasser Al-Habib. Whatever he says that is good, take it. Whatever he says that is bad, reject it. This applies to anybody (other than Allah's representatives). The reality is that he says silly things to warrant not wasting your time listening to every little thing he says, there are only so many hours in one lifetime, it would be much better spent reading on Islam rather than taking your whole religion from him. Your mindset shouldn't be so fixated on one fallible man who you and several other young Shi'a seem to be enamoured with.

Brother, I don't doubt your intentions, nor am I claiming Yassir is a spy, but there are so many idiots in his circles, which I doubt is a coincidence. He says stupid things like his comments on shaytan at the time of a baby's birth, and you'd be surprised at what people who used to hang around him but no longer do so have to say about how he and his associates have treated them.

[John_313]

1 hour ago, repenter said:

By the time yassir was 10, Shirazi had already moved to Qum, so who exactly other than Mojtaba Shirazi is his teacher?

Wait, why does it have to be in Kuwait? You show me where has Sheikh Habib said that he studied with Redha Shirazi in Kuwait.

1 hour ago, repenter said:

Btw, you have 10 hours to remove Dajjali Jamat from your "mood". Else i will be in the "banning" mood. 

Why, how does this offend you? Are you willing to debate me in PM.

Edited August 22, 2017 by SheikhAlHabib'fan

[John_313]

52 minutes ago, IbnMariam said:

knowledgeable man who has come to revive true shiism which has been tainted by the filthy corrupt batri scholars who are sons of zina and bla bla bla.

Ok, show me where does he have statements against a group of scholars without showing reason and evidence.

I understand he is fallible, I have made this account for a purpose and it's clear to everyone, whether you like it or not. I will try to defend accusations against him, unless they are reasonable and I will accept his mistakes. Until now you haven't shown one, have you?

52 minutes ago, IbnMariam said:

He says stupid things like his comments on shaytan at the time of a baby's birth, and you'd be surprised at what people who used to hang around him but no longer do so have to say about how he and his associates have treated them.

How dare you call the narrations of our Imams (as) stupid comments (I seek refuge in Allah), go ask Allah for forgiveness and then try to write about ones akhlaq. Are you Twelver Shi'a?

 

Edited August 22, 2017 by SheikhAlHabib'fan

[ShiaMan14]

On 8/22/2017 at 1:57 PM, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

1. "US funds Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and his TV channel."

I will try to present reasonable arguments why such claims against Sheikh Hassan Allahyari are irrational. If Sheikh Hassan Allahyari has been sponsored by the US government, why is his channel not working (for about 8 to 9 months) due to some financial problems of his? The absence of topics cannot be argued because he has opened a channel in YouTube and has been very active discussing various topics, why does he have financial problems when he can get his money directly from US government (if he was funded by US in the first place)? Most importantly, why has he asked for donations if he can manage to get his money from US or any other NATO country for that matter? Therefore, suggesting that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari serves US's interests, while all his work is supported by the narrations of our Imams, prophet and the clear verses of the Noble Qur'an, is irrational.

Simple enough reason - he asked for money to find out who the morons are so that he could convince them a prince in Nigeria will give them millions if they only send $1,000.

As it turned out, alhumdulillah Shias are too astute to fall for this trickery so he went to Plan B - youtube channel to find out who is liking his videos/posts and then sell them the Nigeria Prince scam.

On 8/22/2017 at 1:57 PM, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

2. "Sheikh Yasser Habib and his TV channel are funded by the British, thus he is a "British agent"."

The same argument can be addressed regarding Sheikh Habib's TV channel. As far as we are concerned, Sheikh Yasser Habib has asked for donations in order to make a movie in his Fadak TV (about Lady Fatimah sa), by using reason and logic, we will come to know that an unbiased mind will confidently tell, that the (non evident) accusations thrown here and there without proof portraying Sheikh Habib as a Western agent (I seek refuge in Allah) don't make any sense.

Some try to use West Funded magazines and newspapers to prove that Sheikh Habib had collected a very big amount of money, which seems ironic because why would West Funded newspapers expose their agent. Even if Sheikh Habib has had a lot of money, how is that proof for his money to come from the government while donations could as well be the case? Furthermore, would the same people accuse Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani for an agent (I seek refuge in Allah) when he owns a lot of money (which a result of khums)?

Has Hay-baby released his financials statements? How did he get the funding for his facility? How much money does he receive in donations for the upkeep of the place?

Let's say Ayatollah Sistani is an Iraqi agent - he gets money from Iraq to spend on Iraqis. Even if this was true, it is okay. And his work actually benefits Iraqis. How does Hay-baby help anyone?

On 8/22/2017 at 1:57 PM, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

3. "But they live in the west."

It is very laughable for someone to use this argument, because this doesn't mean anything at all. Very simple, the oppressive governments don't allow them to speak the truth therefore they stay in countries (don't misunderstand, I don't support any country except that I enjoy some of their rights) that offer them this right (which is daily restricting). What about Khomeini,(since most accusers are Khomeini/Khamenei followers and supporters) this question can be applied in regards to him as well, was he a French agent according to you? Khomeini went to France because the Shah had limited his "freedom" of preaching Absolute Wilayatul Faqih, simple as that.

Just because someone lives in the West, does not mean they are Western Agents. However, when an imbecile gets millions of dollars of property, then he is suspected of working for the West.

you need an IQ of 1 to see the difference.

On 8/22/2017 at 1:57 PM, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Conclusion

Finally I present the conclusion of my topic. Through the information presented and arguments cited above, I state and conclude that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and Sheikh Yasser Habib are not western agents. For all those who want to have a debate, please message me on my PM, I will most surely respond in sha Allah when I have time. For those who are ready to criticize and respond to my arguments let me know and we will discuss all your points in this topic in sha Allah.

Glory be to Allah, we are thankful to Him and praise Him for His mercy and guidance He bestowed upon us! May Allah send His blessings upon His last messenger, and upon His last messenger's family, and hasten their reappearance, and withdraw His mercy from their enemies! May Allah guide the ones who are obedient to Him and open to His guidance! Ameen!

Conclusion:

I debunked your ridiculous proof with a couple of ridiculous responses. You need to have a better argument if you need a better response.

Out of curiosity, are you a descendant of Abu Musa Al-Ashari - just asking?

[ShiaMan14]

Why would Allahyari ahd Haybaby ask for money. Same reason they d:

[repenter-gone4awhile]

20 minutes ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Wait, why does it have to be in Kuwait? You show me where has Sheikh Habib said that he studied with Redha Shirazi in Kuwait.

Why, how does this offend you? Are you willing to debate me in PM.

http://elaph.com/Web/news/2010/11/614420.html

Do your research. 

[John_313]

27 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Simple enough reason - he asked for money to find out who the morons are so that he could convince them a prince in Nigeria will give them millions if they only send $1,000.

As it turned out, alhumdulillah Shias are too astute to fall for this trickery so he went to Plan B - youtube channel to find out who is liking his videos/posts and then sell them the Nigeria Prince scam.

What nonsense baby story is this? Source? 

27 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Has Hay-baby released his financials statements? How did he get the funding for his facility? How much money does he receive in donations for the upkeep of the place?

He could have got the money through donations. Since you want to know specific details, send him a letter or write to him in his website. You'll most surely find an answer in sha Allah.

27 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

However, when an imbecile gets millions of dollars of property, then he is suspected of working for the West.

you need an IQ of 1 to see the difference.

That's still not proof of Sheikh Habib getting his money from the British. Not trying to change the topic, but how will you prove that Sheikh Habib got the millions of dollars for the property, from the same news networks which reveal classified and declassified CIA documents that Khomeini was supported by the US to wage the Revolution?

You need an IQ of 1 to make sense of West funded news networks exposing their West funded agent lol.

27 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Conclusion:

I debunked your ridiculous proof with a couple of ridiculous responses. You need to have a better argument if you need a better response.

No you didn't, please provide your better responses (if there is any). 

Edited August 22, 2017 by SheikhAlHabib'fan

[ali_fatheroforphans]

I don't care whether Shiekh Habib is a western agent or not.

This guy has done nothing for us Shias, apart from making us look bad. His akhlaq doesn't resemble Ahlulbayt (as) at all. 

[AmirAlmuminin Lover]

4 hours ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

In the name of Allah, all praise be to Him, the most High! May Allah send his blessings upon His messenger Muhammad and His messenger's, Muhammad's family, and hasten their reappearance and withdraw His mercy from their enemies!

I'm writing this post in order to refute the accusations against Sheikh Hassan  Allahyari (ha) and Sheikh Yasser Habib (ha), portraying them as western agents (I seek refuge in Allah).

1. "US funds Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and his TV channel."

I will try to present reasonable arguments why such claims against Sheikh Hassan Allahyari are irrational. If Sheikh Hassan Allahyari has been sponsored by the US government, why is his channel not working (for about 8 to 9 months) due to some financial problems of his? The absence of topics cannot be argued because he has opened a channel in YouTube and has been very active discussing various topics, why does he have financial problems when he can get his money directly from US government (if he was funded by US in the first place)? Most importantly, why has he asked for donations if he can manage to get his money from US or any other NATO country for that matter? Therefore, suggesting that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari serves US's interests, while all his work is supported by the narrations of our Imams, prophet and the clear verses of the Noble Qur'an, is irrational.

2. "Sheikh Yasser Habib and his TV channel are funded by the British, thus he is a "British agent"."

The same argument can be addressed regarding Sheikh Habib's TV channel. As far as we are concerned, Sheikh Yasser Habib has asked for donations in order to make a movie in his Fadak TV (about Lady Fatimah sa), by using reason and logic, we will come to know that an unbiased mind will confidently tell, that the (non evident) accusations thrown here and there without proof portraying Sheikh Habib as a Western agent (I seek refuge in Allah) don't make any sense.

Some try to use West Funded magazines and newspapers to prove that Sheikh Habib had collected a very big amount of money, which seems ironic because why would West Funded newspapers expose their agent. Even if Sheikh Habib has had a lot of money, how is that proof for his money to come from the government while donations could as well be the case? Furthermore, would the same people accuse Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani for an agent (I seek refuge in Allah) when he owns a lot of money (which a result of khums)?

3. "But they live in the west."

It is very laughable for someone to use this argument, because this doesn't mean anything at all. Very simple, the oppressive governments don't allow them to speak the truth therefore they stay in countries (don't misunderstand, I don't support any country except that I enjoy some of their rights) that offer them this right (which is daily restricting). What about Khomeini,(since most accusers are Khomeini/Khamenei followers and supporters) this question can be applied in regards to him as well, was he a French agent according to you? Khomeini went to France because the Shah had limited his "freedom" of preaching Absolute Wilayatul Faqih, simple as that.

Conclusion

Finally I present the conclusion of my topic. Through the information presented and arguments cited above, I state and conclude that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and Sheikh Yasser Habib are not western agents. For all those who want to have a debate, please message me on my PM, I will most surely respond in sha Allah when I have time. For those who are ready to criticize and respond to my arguments let me know and we will discuss all your points in this topic in sha Allah.

Glory be to Allah, we are thankful to Him and praise Him for His mercy and guidance He bestowed upon us! May Allah send His blessings upon His last messenger, and upon His last messenger's family, and hasten their reappearance, and withdraw His mercy from their enemies! May Allah guide the ones who are obedient to Him and open to His guidance! Ameen!

Salaam Alaykum Brother,

If someone asks for money or donation, it doesn't mean that they are in need of money. Especially, when we haven't seen them in person and just saw them on internet.

Imam Khomeini didn't go to France on his will. Shah forced him to go to France against his will. Plus Ayatollah Khomeini was trying to build Islamic Country in Iran. It does not make sense that suddenly in the middle of fighting against Shah and US, he decided to go to France to spread Islam. Another point is that Ayatollah Sistani is NOT rich. He doesn't have a single house from himself. He rented a house and lives in that. He spends all Kums money on Islam and gives it to poor people. Iran strongly supports spreading Islam and Shiaism. They can come to Iran and do preaching on Internet, phone and TV (Same thing they are doing now).

Brother, be very cautious on choosing your religious resources. There are a lot of good websites and videos to watch and learn. Ayatollah Sistani said: " لا تقولو اهل السنه. بل قولو انفسنا اهل السنه" Don't say sunni, say my dear, sunni brother. We all should follow Ayatollah Sistani.

To other users, please if you want to criticize something, be patient and considerate. It increases your effect and your words absolutely affects on the person this way.

Edited August 22, 2017 by AmirAlmuminin Lover

[User4628568309]

1 hour ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

How dare you call the narrations of our Imams (as) stupid comments (I seek refuge in Allah), go ask Allah for forgiveness and then try to write about ones akhlaq. Are you Twelver Shi'a?

 

See this is the sort of blind unwavering hero worship I'm talking about. What you read is not what I wrote. I never made a comment about the narration, I made a comment about yassir's definitive conclusions in that they are completely stupid to make. Why? Because the hadith he quoted is mursal (this is enough itself to justify halting from making conclusions about shaytan and babies on the basis of this narration, without looking into the matn), and the matn is problematic anyway. I can't believe I actually have to point this out but it is not inline with the ethos and rhetoric of the Ahlulbayt (as), as found in the reliable ahadith, to graphically describe how Allah allows shaytan to sexually abuse newborn babies because of their future beliefs as adults, that's simply not how you see them talk. You will find nothing substantive in the rest of the ahadith that supports this idea.

...and yet, Yassir speaks as if there is absolutely no doubt that these are the words of Al-Imam Al-Sadiq (as), despite it being mursal, despite the problematic content, and I can not, for the love of God, understand why felt the need to talk about it, and even worse, on TV for the world to see.

Edited August 22, 2017 by IbnMariam

[ShiaMan14]

1 hour ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

What nonsense baby story is this? Source? 

He could have got the money through donations. Since you want to know specific details, send him a letter or write to him in his website. You'll most surely find an answer in sha Allah.

That's still not proof of Sheikh Habib getting his money from the British. Not trying to change the topic, but how will you prove that Sheikh Habib got the millions of dollars for the property, from the same news networks which reveal classified and declassified CIA documents that Khomeini was supported by the US to wage the Revolution?

You need an IQ of 1 to make sense of West funded news networks exposing their West funded agent lol.

No you didn't, please provide your better responses (if there is any). 

You mean you dont believe in the Nigerian Prince story? And yet here you are - totally believing in Haybaby.

what came first - the donations of millions OR his followers?

So the West is anti-Haybaby?

[Yahya313]

Rotting in a prison in kuwait and appears in London suddenly with Millions of pounds.

I need to talk to him how he managed such amazing miracles!

[Yahya313]

4 minutes ago, kirtc said:

I dont think yasser can write one sentence with the intellect and wisdom of Ayt.Khomeini. Neither can he lead a revolution, be a leader nor write any books on fiqh... The guy is just as useful as a wahhabi 

But he can give u a headache for the rest of the week.

[User4628568309]

http://www.aqaed.com/faq/2675/

@SheikhAlHabib'fan

On the hadith that Yassir mentioned

 

هذا الحديث غير صحيح، فقد رواه العياشي في تفسيره (ج2/328) مرسلاً عن إبراهيم بن أبي يحيى به، ونقله عنه المجلسي في (البحار ج4/121) لكن وقع في نسخته بعض التصحيف في اسم الراوي فقال: عن أبي ميثم بن أبي يحيى ولا يوجد لهذا الرجل أي ترجمه في كتبنا ولهذا قال المحقق عنه بانه مجهول.
وعلى أية حال فكيف كان اسم الرجل الراوي لهذا الحديث عن الإمام جعفر الصادق(عليه السلام) فان الحديث ضعيف, لارساله, فبين العياشي وبين الراوي أكثر من طبقة، وهو ما يسميه علماء الحديث بالحديث المعضل, ثم إنه ليس له شاهد أو متابعة من طرق أخر وانما هو حديث واحد في بابه, وفيه مخالفة لما عليه مذهب الإمامية في القضاء والقدر كما هو الظاهر من متن الحديث.

 

 

My rough translation:

"This hadith is not sahih, as it has been narrated by Ayyashi in his tafseer v2p328 with a disconnected chain (mursal) from Ibrahim ibn Abi Yahya, and been transmitted by Majlisi in Bihar v4p121 but (وقع في نسخته بعض التصحيف?)* with the narrator named as Abi Maytham ibn Abi Yahya, and this man can not be found in our books under any version (of the name ie Ibrahim or Abi Maytham), and al-muhaqqiq al-hilli says that he is unknown. In any case, regardless of the name of the man who narrated the hadith from Imam Al-Sadiq (as), this hadith is weak, it is mursal as there is more than a tabaqa** between ayyashi and this narrator, and the scholars of hadith call this a problematic narration, and this is not seen or (verified?) in other ways (ie not an idea you can find in the hadith corpus), rather this is a singular narration, and is in opposition to the school of the Imamiyya with regards to the judgement (of Allah) and destiny***, as is made clear in the content of our narrations."

* don't fully understand the phrase, but it's essentially saying the narrator is written down under a different name in Bihar

** not sure of an exact translation, but the point is there is a large historical gap between the 6th imam (as) and ayyashi, so ayyashi couldn't have received this hadith directly from the narrator

*** The idea that Allah does not punish those who are not yet guilty

Edited August 23, 2017 by IbnMariam

[Gaius I. Caesar]

2 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

This guy has done nothing for us Shias, apart from making us look bad. His akhlaq doesn't resemble Ahlulbayt (as) at all. 

I mean the guy is a "religious" speaker and talks about anuses with a worrying obsession on TV.

[islam25]

11 hours ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

In the name of Allah, all praise be to Him, the most High! May Allah send his blessings upon His messenger Muhammad and His messenger's, Muhammad's family, and hasten their reappearance and withdraw His mercy from their enemies!

I'm writing this post in order to refute the accusations against Sheikh Hassan  Allahyari (ha) and Sheikh Yasser Habib (ha), portraying them as western agents (I seek refuge in Allah).

1. "US funds Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and his TV channel."

I will try to present reasonable arguments why such claims against Sheikh Hassan Allahyari are irrational. If Sheikh Hassan Allahyari has been sponsored by the US government, why is his channel not working (for about 8 to 9 months) due to some financial problems of his? The absence of topics cannot be argued because he has opened a channel in YouTube and has been very active discussing various topics, why does he have financial problems when he can get his money directly from US government (if he was funded by US in the first place)? Most importantly, why has he asked for donations if he can manage to get his money from US or any other NATO country for that matter? Therefore, suggesting that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari serves US's interests, while all his work is supported by the narrations of our Imams, prophet and the clear verses of the Noble Qur'an, is irrational.

2. "Sheikh Yasser Habib and his TV channel are funded by the British, thus he is a "British agent"."

The same argument can be addressed regarding Sheikh Habib's TV channel. As far as we are concerned, Sheikh Yasser Habib has asked for donations in order to make a movie in his Fadak TV (about Lady Fatimah sa), by using reason and logic, we will come to know that an unbiased mind will confidently tell, that the (non evident) accusations thrown here and there without proof portraying Sheikh Habib as a Western agent (I seek refuge in Allah) don't make any sense.

Some try to use West Funded magazines and newspapers to prove that Sheikh Habib had collected a very big amount of money, which seems ironic because why would West Funded newspapers expose their agent. Even if Sheikh Habib has had a lot of money, how is that proof for his money to come from the government while donations could as well be the case? Furthermore, would the same people accuse Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani for an agent (I seek refuge in Allah) when he owns a lot of money (which a result of khums)?

3. "But they live in the west."

It is very laughable for someone to use this argument, because this doesn't mean anything at all. Very simple, the oppressive governments don't allow them to speak the truth therefore they stay in countries (don't misunderstand, I don't support any country except that I enjoy some of their rights) that offer them this right (which is daily restricting). What about Khomeini,(since most accusers are Khomeini/Khamenei followers and supporters) this question can be applied in regards to him as well, was he a French agent according to you? Khomeini went to France because the Shah had limited his "freedom" of preaching Absolute Wilayatul Faqih, simple as that.

Conclusion

Finally I present the conclusion of my topic. Through the information presented and arguments cited above, I state and conclude that Sheikh Hassan Allahyari and Sheikh Yasser Habib are not western agents. For all those who want to have a debate, please message me on my PM, I will most surely respond in sha Allah when I have time. For those who are ready to criticize and respond to my arguments let me know and we will discuss all your points in this topic in sha Allah.

Glory be to Allah, we are thankful to Him and praise Him for His mercy and guidance He bestowed upon us! May Allah send His blessings upon His last messenger, and upon His last messenger's family, and hasten their reappearance, and withdraw His mercy from their enemies! May Allah guide the ones who are obedient to Him and open to His guidance! Ameen!

I do not know weather they are agents of British or American. 

I have little personal information about them.And I do not found any concrete and praise worthy contribution from them to hailed  .They much expert in criticising and talk bad on others than properly serving islam and teaching of Ahlebayt as. 

[islam25]

6 hours ago, kirtc said:

I dont think yasser can write one sentence with the intellect and wisdom of Ayt.Khomeini. Neither can he lead a revolution, be a leader nor write any books on fiqh... The guy is just as useful as a wahhabi 

Unfortunately yasir is talking more of criticism on others that too without factual base. That makes his image little bit shake and unholy. 

Regarding Imam Khomeini ra He was man of mellinium. And it is blessing of Allah that muslims have witnessed such a person. 

[John_313]

9 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

I don't care whether Shiekh Habib is a western agent or not.

This guy has done nothing for us Shias, apart from making us look bad. His akhlaq doesn't resemble Ahlulbayt (as) at all. 

Brother, are you aware of how many people have found the right path because of Sheikh Yasser Al Hanib (ha) and Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha)? I know many pious Shi'a who were full of doubt but have increased their faith because of our Sheikhs' preaching.

[John_313]

20 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

You mean you dont believe in the Nigerian Prince story? And yet here you are - totally believing in Haybaby.

what came first - the donations of millions OR his followers?

So the West is anti-Haybaby?

It seems like we can't have a proper discussion [edit].

Ok, if the west is pro-Sheikh Habib (ha), why are they "exposing" him?

Edited August 23, 2017 by Hameedeh
Insult removed.

[John_313]

9 hours ago, kirtc said:

I dont think yasser can write one sentence with the intellect and wisdom of Ayt.Khomeini. Neither can he lead a revolution, be a leader nor write any books on fiqh... The guy is just as useful as a wahhabi 

Al-Kafi vol 8, pg 310, 

Hadeeth number 483:

Omar ibn Handhala says, al-Imam al-Sadiq ‘alaihissalam said, “There are five signs before the rise of the Hujja ‘alaihissalam, the heavenly call, Sufyani, the sinking of the earth, the murder of the pure soul and Yamani.  I asked, may I be your ransom, If anyone from your House should make an uprise (khuruj: uprise or revolt to topple the government), should we make an uprise along with him?  He said, No.

If you are a Shi’a, then remember, it is prohibited until you hear the Saiha and that Yamani has appeared, to make an uprise.  That is unless the MI6 and CIA had paid Omar ibn Handhala to narrate this hadeeth.

Al-Kafi vol 8, pg 264
Hadeeth number: 382
Our master Syed al-Sajjideen ‘alaihissalam said, “By Allah, no one makes an uprise from us before the Rise of the Awaited One, salamullahi ‘alaih, except that he will be like a nestling (baby bird), who flew off his nest before its wings grew, and kids pick him and play with him. 

Ibid # 383:
Says al-Imam al-Sadiq ‘alaihissalam, “O’ Sadir, stay at your home and be a rug of your house (as motionless and passive as a rug of your house).  Don’t move and remain absolutely silent so long the earth and the sky are silent (sinking of the earth has not occurred and the heavenly call/saiha has not been heard).  When you hear that Sufyani has risen, come to us, even if you have to walk.

Al-Kafi vol 5, pg 22
Hadeeth Number 2:

Says the Imam ‘alaihissalam, “Make pilgrimage to this House [the Ka’ba].  Does not each one of you like to be [safe] at his house, have his family prosper through his generosity, and wait for OUR RULE.  If he should live to see Our Rule, he will be like the ones who were with the Rasool of Allah salla Allahu ‘alaihi wa Aalihi wassalam at the battle of Badr.  If he should die, while waiting for Our Rule, he will be like the close companions of the Awaited One ‘alaihissalam who will be with him at his tent”…

Al-ibid pg 23, 
Hadeeth number 3:
Bashir al-Dahhan: I said to al-Imam as-Sadiq ‘alaihissalam,

I saw you in my dream and I said to you in my dream, Fighting under the banner of someone other than the Infallible Imam, appointed by Allah, is haram like eating rotten dead animal, drinking blood, and pork.  And you said in my dream, “It is indeed so”.
Al-Imam al-Sadiq alaihissalam replied [in wakefulness], “It is indeed so, it is indeed so”.

Praise be to Him, the most High, and may He curse (withdraw his mercy from) the ones who disobeyed our Imams (as) concerning this matter!

[ali_fatheroforphans]

21 minutes ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Brother, are you aware of how many people have found the right path because of Sheikh Yasser Al Hanib (ha) and Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha)? I know many pious Shi'a who were full of doubt but have increased their faith because of our Sheikhs' preaching.

So do you think being rude, arrogant, offensive and cursing other scholars is fine as long as it increases the number of people who find the right path? 

Edited August 23, 2017 by ali_fatheroforphans

[islam25]

27 minutes ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Brother, are you aware of how many people have found the right path because of Sheikh Yasser Al Hanib (ha) and Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha)? I know many pious Shi'a who were full of doubt but have increased their faith because of our Sheikhs' preaching.

Mr.

What matters is how much one has moral ethical perfection .someone getting right path is different and it does never mean poor moral ethics to be accepted. 

[islam25]

31 minutes ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Brother, are you aware of how many people have found the right path because of Sheikh Yasser Al Hanib (ha) and Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha)? I know many pious Shi'a who were full of doubt but have increased their faith because of our Sheikhs' preaching.

Mr.

What matters is how much one has moral ethical perfection .someone getting right path is different and it does never mean poor moral ethics to be accepted. 

[John_313]

35 minutes ago, islam25 said:

Mr.

What matters is how much one has moral ethical perfection .someone getting right path is different and it does never mean poor moral ethics to be accepted. 

 

49 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

So do you think being rude, arrogant, offensive and cursing other scholars is fine as long as it increases the number of people who find the right path? 

Exposing deviation is rude (I seek refuge in Allah)...

What's wrong with Sheikh Yasser Al Habib's (ha) and Sheikh Hassan Allahyari's (ha) moral perfection?

The Messenger of Allah (sawa) said: “When you find bid’ah (innovation) and doubt/suspicion after me, do baraa’ (disassociation) from them and increase in your insults (sabihim) to them, and oppose (them) and bring evidences against them so they may not become greedy in bringing fasad (corruption) to Islam. You must warn people against them and do not learn their bid’ah (innovation). Allah will write for you hasanaat (good deeds) for this, and will raise your darajaat (levels) in the next life” Al-Kafi, Volume 2, Chapter 159, hadeeth 4.

[John_313]

16 hours ago, repenter said:

"Sheikh"

For those who doubt Sheikh Yasser Al Habib's (ha) status as a scholar (Sheikh).

Check out this post and have a read on Sheikh Yasser Al Habib's (ha) certificates from scholars (ha) higher than him.

@repenter

I'm still unconvinced. What year did Ayatollah Sayed Redha Shirazi (ra) move to Qom, and where did Sheikh Yasser Al Habib (ha) ever say that he studied with Ayatollah Sayed Redha Shirazi (ra) in Kuwait?

[ShiaMan14]

6 hours ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

It seems like we can't have a proper discussion because you're mentally unstable to focus on serious matters.

Ok, if the west is pro-Sheikh Habib (ha), why are they "exposing" him?

I can't take Haybaby, Allahyari and you seriously.

Good, sensible shias are exposing them, not the 'West'.

[Hassan-]

[John_313]

2 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

I can't take Haybaby, Allahyari and you seriously.

Good, sensible shias are exposing them, not the 'West'.

Just as I expected, you don't want to discuss because there is no response to my arguments.

How? Through Western sponsored News Networks lol?

[John_313]

18 hours ago, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

If someone asks for money or donation, it doesn't mean that they are in need of money. Especially, when we haven't seen them in person and just saw them on internet.

It does when your channel is closed for more than 8 months, for financial reasons, this in regards to Sheikh Allahyari (ha).

As per Sheikh Yasser Al Habib (ha), check out this link:

http://alqatrah.net/en/ns109

18 hours ago, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

We all should follow Ayatollah Sistani.

Who are you tell people whom should they do taqleed to lol.

Message me on PM and I will show you reasons why Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadiq Shirazi (ha) is far more knowledgeable than Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani (ha) lol, since you called me to follow Sistani (ha).

18 hours ago, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

To other users, please if you want to criticize something, be patient and considerate. It increases your effect and your words absolutely affects on the person this way.

I think that the users should be more rational when responding rather than speculating and ridiculing. At the end, it effects you not me because you weren't answering any of my points. Thus Sheikh Al Habib (ha) and Sheikh Allahyari (ha) are not Western Agents because of the rational reasons I presented above.

If they were Western Agents, why ask the audience for money when they can get it directly from the Western Governments that fund them (as you claim)?  

[repenter-gone4awhile]

7 hours ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

For those who doubt Sheikh Yasser Al Habib's (ha) status as a scholar (Sheikh).

Check out this post and have a read on Sheikh Yasser Al Habib's (ha) certificates from scholars (ha) higher than him.

@repenter

I'm still unconvinced. What year did Ayatollah Sayed Redha Shirazi (ra) move to Qom, and where did Sheikh Yasser Al Habib (ha) ever say that he studied with Ayatollah Sayed Redha Shirazi (ra) in Kuwait?

I honestly don't care that you are unconvinced. You are responsible to research on your own. You came to a gunfight with a waterpistol. And you had a picture of Ayatollah Sistani in your avatar. Well guess what, Ayatollah Khoei, Ayatollah Sistanis teacher, is one of the people that didn't agree that Shirazi(the big brother) was on the level to be a marja(do a search, you will find the letter). So you are trying to convince us, that even if Habib did study under the little brother Shirazi, he is somewhat qualified to talk this big? Time to get real friend. 

Turns out, even if you "think" you are ready to debate and protect your idols, you don't even know enough about them and their background to do so. Even if you think are. You can shield your chest and huff and puff all you like, but it's going to be futile. 

[John_313]

6 minutes ago, repenter said:

I honestly don't care that you are unconvinced. You are responsible to research on your own. You came to a gunfight with a waterpistol. And you had a picture of Ayatollah Sistani in your avatar. Well guess what, Ayatollah Khoei, Ayatollah Sistanis teacher, is one of the people that didn't agree that Shirazi(the big brother) was on the level to be a marja(do a search, you will find the letter). So you are trying to convince us, that even if Habib did study under the little brother Shirazi, he is somewhat qualified to talk this big? Time to get real friend. 

I know Ayatollah Abu Qasim Khoei (ra) didn't agree with Ayatollah Muhammad Shirazi (ra) and said he was not a scholar, but so did Muhammad Shirazi (ra) complain about Khamenei the same way. 

Sorry I have changed my taqleed, so you don't get mixed up.

Still, Sheikh Al Habib (ha) did not study under Sayed Muhammad Shirazi (ra) (whom Sistani followers can find an objection against), but under Mujtaba and Redha Shirazi (ra). Therefore he's qualified (so Sistani followers cannot have any objection). Please explain more on what's the point you're trying to make?

Edited August 23, 2017 by SheikhAlHabib'fan