Proof of God

[Yahya313]

I recently did an article on the existence of god on one of the threads which I think would benefit everyone:

 

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds, and peace and greetings be upon our Master and Prophet, Ab-al-Qassem al-Mustafa Muhammad and upon his immaculate, pure and chosen household, especially the one remaining with Allah on earth.

So the topic here is about Atheism, which as an Ex-Atheist myself can say is like relying on elephants to walk on a spiders web, but unfortunately nowadays "Atheism" or how I label it as "Lack of common logic" has been equalled with being enlightened or somehow intelligent. Leaving out of course the great Muslim and Christians Scientists and Philosophers like Isaac Newton, Mullah Sadra, Ibn al-Haytham etc. out of the picture completely but nevertheless let us dive into this.

First Question:

Is the universe Eternal?

Well there are many reasons why the universe cannot have existed forever:

 

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: 

 

The Second Law of Thermodynamics is about the quality of energy. It states that as energy is transferred or transformed, more and more of it is wasted.  (https://www.livescience.com/50941-second-law-thermodynamics.html)

So if the universe was eternal how come we still find ourselves with energy? Why has it not been wasted already if our universe had existed for ever?

 

The Theory of relativity:

 

Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity means that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed (Einstein was originally a pantheist). His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect—something brought it into existence. Einstein disliked his end result so much that he introduced a “fudge factor” into his theory that allowed for an eternal universe. But there was only one problem. His fudge factor required a division by zero in his calculations—a mathematical error any good math student knows not to make. When discovered by other mathematicians, Einstein admitted his error calling it “the greatest blunder of my life.” After his acknowledgment, and upon confirming further research that showed the universe expanding just as his theory of relativity predicted, Einstein bowed to the fact that the universe is not eternal.

 

Galaxy seeds:

 

Scientists believe that, if the Big Bang is true (first, there was nothing, then, BANG, something came into being), then temperature “ripples” should exist in space, and it would be these ripples that enabled matter to collect into galaxies. To discover whether these ripples exist, the Cosmic Background Explorer – COBE – was launched in 1989 to find them, with the findings being released in 1992. What COBE found was perfect/precise ripples that, sure enough, enable galaxies to form.

 

The radiation echo:

 

Bell Labs scientists in 1965. What is it? It is the heat afterglow from the Big Bang. Its discovery dealt a death blow to any theory of the universe being in a steady state because it shows instead that the universe exploded. 

 

Hydrogen turning into helium:

In the basic Hydrogen fusion cycle, four Hydrogen nuclei (protons) come together to make a Helium nucleus. 

If the universe is eternal then how come we still have hydrogen? Why has it not already turn into helium?

 

This is as far science can go with my argument, since now on it is based on Mathematics, Logic and Philosophy.

 

Some Atheists insist that energy could have exited at a quantum level, however there are 3 major flaws in this: 

1) How can the laws of the universe apply before the universe even existing?

2) How can this simple quantum energy create such precision in the universe we reside in?

There is something interesting they point out by saying ' This energy could've needed some time to heat up and BOOM!

Flaws:

1) Time is an aspect that governs this universe.

2) This is implies an impossible infinity. For example, if someone tells you he has been counting down since infinity for ever and has recently reached the number 2,1,0,-1 etc. How come he has reached these numbers now? Has he not had a infinite amount of time to reach this level?

There are many Mathematical and logical aspects to this, I do not have the knowledge to further delve into this matter therefore I move on.

 

Could the universe have come out of nothing? This is as absurd as saying that my glass of water came into existence out of nothing, but let us look at the law of non-contradiction:

In classical logic, the law of non-contradiction (LNC) (or the law of contradiction (PM) or the principle of non-contradiction (PNC), or the principle of contradiction) is the second of the three classic laws of thought. It states that contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction)

So how can there be nothing but then out of absolute nothingness get something like mass or laws etc? 

 

Could the universe have been merely by simple chance?

The word renowned math mathematician Roger Penrose who is a friend of Stephen Hawkings delved into this and found out this was the number:

1/10 to the power of 10 to the power of 123. Let me point out that mathematically a number is 1/10 to the power of 50 it is regarded as 0 probablity. 

As Penrose puts it, that is a “number which it would be impossible to write out in the usual decimal way, because even if you were able to put a zero on every particle in the universe, there would not even be enough particles to do the job.”

A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

–Cambridge University astrophysicist and mathematician Fred Hoyle

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“Fred Hoyle and I differ on lots of questions, but on this we agree:  a common sense and satisfying interpretation of our world suggests the designing hand of a superintelligence.”

–Former Harvard University Research Professor of Astronomy and the History of Science Owen Gingerich, who is now the senior astronomer at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. Gingerich is here reflecting on Fred Hoyle’s above comment.

 

For those in search of truth I recommend this website:

http://godevidence.com

 

If you want me to continue with these kind of posts on this thread please leave a reply saying yes or no.

[AfricanShia]

On 8/21/2017 at 8:09 AM, Yahya313 said:

I recently did an article on the existence of god on one of the threads which I think would benefit everyone: [Mod Note: Long quote was reduced in length. See the OP for the original post.]

The trees, the sky, the sun and moon and stars, this is enough proof for those who believe.

Edited August 30, 2017 by Hameedeh
To add the Mod Note.

[ZethaPonderer]

Yes please continue.  This is indeed insightful.

[M.IB]

On 8/21/2017 at 8:09 AM, Yahya313 said:

I recently did an article on the existence of god on one of the threads which I think would benefit everyone: [Mod Note: Long quote was reduced in length. See the OP for the original post.]

Infinite times yes please ^^ 

Edited August 30, 2017 by Hameedeh
To add the Mod Note.

[Yahya313]

On 8/21/2017 at 2:58 PM, AfricanShia said:

The trees, the sky, the sun and moon and stars, this is enough proof for those who believe.

It is more complicated than thay when it comes to atheists, since they are so stubborn you have to go throw Scientific and Philosophical aspects in order to convince them.

 

On 8/25/2017 at 6:52 PM, M.IB said:

Infinite times yes please ^^ 

 

On 8/21/2017 at 6:39 PM, ZethaPonderer said:

Yes please continue.  This is indeed insightful.

Inshallah I will continue later. I shall begin translating a book called "Logic, Science and God" which is currently only in Spanish so that everyone can benefit from it.