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Wedding Music and Dancing

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So as many of you are aware, it is unheard of today to have a wedding without music and dancing even with relatively conservative muslim families,

so how does the groom play around this when both his 'conservative' family and his fiancee's 'liberal' family strongly want a wedding (segregated) with music & dance? Is there any form of permissibility?

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 - Depends on Mar'ja you follow..

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/46/2071/ This is what Ayatollah Sistani had to say..

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16 minutes ago, dragonxx said:

so how does the groom play around this when both his 'conservative' family and his fiancee's 'liberal' family strongly want a wedding (segregated) with music & dance?

The groom puts his foot down and says he will not allow anything haram on his wedding. There are Muslim weddings without music. 

Question: Is it permissible for women to dance in front of other women or for men to dance in front of other men in a gender-wise segregated gathering with or without music?

Answer: Dancing of women in front of women or dancing of men in front of other men is problematic, as a matter of obligatory precaution, one must refrain from it.
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Before people give answers, it is necessary to know who people do taqleed to.

For example, it is mentioned that females dancing in front of females is problematic in the view of Sayyed Al-Sistani. But some other fuqaha see no problem in it, for example.

Some fuqaha also allow female singing just on the wedding night (an exception).

And also, we know that the fuqaha also differ in their views on music, so we shouldn't be quick to judgement before knowing the context.

Certainly if there is going to be haram music and dancing, then the groom should put his foot down, just as sister @starlight stated, and tell everyone that nothing sinful will take place in the wedding. I must say a couple starting off their lives together with Iblees as their third is not the best start to a marriage.

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Thanks mods for fixing the multi-posts.

Thanks for the replies.

I don't think this groom has any particular problem putting his foot down so to speak, however what could be suggested alternatively in terms of the wedding proceedings? How exactly did the weddings go in the Prophet's time (pbuhf)? Do we know?

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11 minutes ago, E.L King said:

I can get you a few names if you want later. If I remember correct, Sayyed Khamenei also says this as well.

Ḥarām Music/Singing in Wedding Parties
As far as the ruling on the ḥarām music or singing (i.e. lahwī one, which strays human being from the path of Allah, the Exalted) is concerned, there is no difference between wedding party and other occasions.

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24 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

Ḥarām Music/Singing in Wedding Parties
As far as the ruling on the ḥarām music or singing (i.e. lahwī one, which strays human being from the path of Allah, the Exalted) is concerned, there is no difference between wedding party and other occasions.

It seems to be that the ruling has now be changed, as far as I remember it used to be this:

لا بأس في التغنِّي للنساء في خصوص مجلس زفاف العروس النسائي، ولا مانع من استخدامهن آلات العزف حال التغني في خصوص تلك المجالس على النحو المتعارف فيه، وأما في غير تلك المجالس فلا يجوز بحال

http://www.almaaref.org/maarefdetails.php?id=11235&subcatid=1595&cid=505&supcat=47

Anyway there are other fuqaha who have made this exception. As far as I know this exception is made by some because there is a hadith which made it an exception.

Anyway read the final two fatwas of Sayyed Al-Khoei on this link:

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=8509

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24 minutes ago, E.L King said:

 

لا بأس في التغنِّي للنساء في خصوص مجلس زفاف العروس النسائي، ولا مانع من استخدامهن آلات العزف حال التغني في خصوص تلك المجالس على النحو المتعارف فيه، وأما في غير تلك المجالس فلا يجوز بحال

http://www.almaaref.org/maarefdetails.php?id=11235&subcatid=1595&cid=505&supcat=47

I can't find it on the website you linked, can you show me where that ruling is? Also, if that ruling was true, it contradicts the fatwa I showed plus many other fatwas.

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On 8/13/2017 at 7:09 PM, E.L King said:

It seems to be that the ruling has now be changed, as far as I remember it used to be this:

لا بأس في التغنِّي للنساء في خصوص مجلس زفاف العروس النسائي، ولا مانع من استخدامهن آلات العزف حال التغني في خصوص تلك المجالس على النحو المتعارف فيه، وأما في غير تلك المجالس فلا يجوز بحال

http://www.almaaref.org/maarefdetails.php?id=11235&subcatid=1595&cid=505&supcat=47

Anyway there are other fuqaha who have made this exception. As far as I know this exception is made by some because there is a hadith which made it an exception.

Anyway read the final two fatwas of Sayyed Al-Khoei on this link:

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=8509

I just noticed you edited your post. The fatwa you showed of Imam Khamenei is an old fatwa, and it got changed from halal to haram in 2011.

Does Sayed Sistani say it's halal?

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55 minutes ago, dragonxx said:

Any clue regarding Sayed Muhammad al-Hakeem's ruling?

If the following is his official website, then he rules it as permissible for women to sing on majlis of zafaf.

http://alhakeem.iq/ar/questions/303/2

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2 hours ago, monad said:

best scenario, tell a friend to find the power switch, rip it, say it was a jinn, omg. Problem solved.

LOOL

Excellent.

2 hours ago, E.L King said:

If the following is his official website, then he rules it as permissible for women to sing on majlis of zafaf.

http://alhakeem.iq/ar/questions/303/2

Ahh I'm slow at reading arabic, but a good chance to practice. Thank you

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