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Salam, 

Quick question:

Does a cat's saliva void prayers? 

I've read, you can use water from a bowl, which a cat has drunk from to do wudhu. 

I've also read that a cat's saliva voids the prayers. 

How can these two be reconciled? 

Thank you! 

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2 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

Does a cat's saliva void prayers? 

I've read, you can use water from a bowl, which a cat has drunk from to do wudhu. 

I've also read that a cat's saliva voids the prayers. 

How can these two be reconciled? 

Cats have a tendency to lick their bottoms to clean themselves so I dont think that one should use the water that a cat licked from. As a matter of hygenic issues in reference to praying Salat.

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Cat's saliva is pure according to Imam Khamenei and Sayed Sistani. If the water in the bowl is considered water by the common view ('urf), than it is permissible to use it as wudu.

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Posted (edited)
47 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

If I'm not mistaken, this issue is cat hair for some scholars and not cat saliva.

Some scholars have different views on cat hair. That's true. But it seems they're in agreement about cat saliva, that it invalidates prayer. 

Brother Hassan, 

Are you sure that Sistani considers cat saliva pure? If my cat licks me or my clothes, can I continue my prayers? 

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38 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Some scholars have different views on cat hair. That's true. But it seems they're in agreement about cat saliva, that it invalidates prayer. 

Brother Hassan, 

Are you sure that Sistani considers cat saliva pure? If my cat licks me or my clothes, can I continue my prayers? 

Imam Khamenei: 

Is the cat's saliva considered pure?

Yes, it is.

 

Sayed sistani:

Question: Are cat's saliva pure or najis?



Answer:

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

pure

Wassalamu Alaykum

 

I'm on my phone so I'm to lazy to show picture and the source, but if you really want it I'll show you. I believe the majority of not all are in agreement that cat saliva is pure.
 

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3 hours ago, Hassan- said:

Imam Khamenei: 

Is the cat's saliva considered pure?

Yes, it is.

 

Sayed sistani:

Question: Are cat's saliva pure or najis?



Answer:

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

pure

Wassalamu Alaykum

 

I'm on my phone so I'm to lazy to show picture and the source, but if you really want it I'll show you. I believe the majority of not all are in agreement that cat saliva is pure.
 

Do you read Farsi, too? 

https://www.sistani.org/persian/book/50/45/

مسأله ۸۱۲ ـ اگر آب دهان یا بینی یا رطوبت دیگری از حیوان حرام‌گوشت، مانند گربه بر بدن یا لباس نمازگزار باشد، چنانچه تر باشد، نماز باطل است. و اگر خشک شده و عین آن برطرف شده باشد، نمازش صحیح است.

 

Found it in English, too:


833. If the saliva, or water from the nose, or any other moisture, from an animal whose meat is haraam to eat, like that of a cat, is on the body or the dress of a person in namaz, and if it is wet, the namaz will be void. But if it has dried up, and if its substance has been removed, then the prayer is valid.

 

So, what am I not understanding? 

 

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5 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Do you read Farsi, too? 

https://www.sistani.org/persian/book/50/45/

مسأله ۸۱۲ ـ اگر آب دهان یا بینی یا رطوبت دیگری از حیوان حرام‌گوشت، مانند گربه بر بدن یا لباس نمازگزار باشد، چنانچه تر باشد، نماز باطل است. و اگر خشک شده و عین آن برطرف شده باشد، نمازش صحیح است.

 

Found it in English, too:


833. If the saliva, or water from the nose, or any other moisture, from an animal whose meat is haraam to eat, like that of a cat, is on the body or the dress of a person in namaz, and if it is wet, the namaz will be void. But if it has dried up, and if its substance has been removed, then the prayer is valid.

 

So, what am I not understanding? 

 

Hmm interesting. If the saliva is pure, how can it invalidate prayer? Doesn't make sense. This fatwa indeed contradicts the fatwas I showed. I'll contact a scholar in Lebanon and ask him.

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32 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

Hmm interesting. If the saliva is pure, how can it invalidate prayer? Doesn't make sense. This fatwa indeed contradicts the fatwas I showed. I'll contact a scholar in Lebanon and ask him.

There is no contradiction. Cat hair is also not najis according to many scholars and those same scholars may say that cat hair on the clothes make the prayer void.

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1 minute ago, E.L King said:

There is no contradiction. Cat hair is also not najis according to many scholars and those same scholars may say that cat hair on the clothes make the prayer void.

Why would the presence of something clean on you or your clothes void your prayer? 

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4 minutes ago, E.L King said:

There is no contradiction. Cat hair is also not najis according to many scholars and those same scholars may say that cat hair on the clothes make the prayer void.

You could be right, I will still ask a scholar to be sure.

Posted
1 minute ago, SoRoUsH said:

Why would the presence of something clean on you or your clothes void your prayer? 

There are more than one example of something which is tahir, however it is impermissible to wear during your Salat. 

Such as praying with clothes that are made from skin of predatory animals even if those clothes were tahir (slaughtered according to Islamic Law).

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Posted

Salam

There are two separate rules:

1- for prayer, the clothes must be pure, not najas

2- there shouldn't be any part from a haram-meat animal with a person in prayer.

Thus, a belt made of snake skin invalidates prayer, though it is not najas. And a sweater made of dead sheep wool doesn't invalidate prayer, since it is not najas, and not from haram meat animal.

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6 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

I can't understand the logic. 

Are there any acceptable traditions from Ahlul Bayt (as) that support this position? 

Do we fully know 'the logic' of all fiqhi rules?

Here are some 'acceptable' Hadith for this rule:

2-ﺑَﺎﺏُ ﺟَﻮَﺍﺯِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟْﻔِﺮَﺍﺀِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟْﺠُﻠُﻮﺩِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺼﱡﱡﻮﻑِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺸﱠﱠﻌْﺮِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟْﻮَﺑَﺮِ ﻭَ ﻧَﺤْﻮِﻫَﺎ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﺑِﺸَﺮْﻁِ ﺍﻟﺘﱠﱠﺬْﻛِﻴَﺔِ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟْﺠُﻠُﻮﺩِ ﻭَ ﻋَﺪَﻡِ ﺟَﻮَﺍﺯِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻦْ ﺫَﻟِﻚَ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻟَﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﻭَ ﺇِﻥْ ﺫُﻛﱢﱢﻲَ ﻭَ ﺟَﻮَﺍﺯِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﻣَﺎ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻦْ ﻧَﺒَﺎﺕِ ﺍﻟْﺄَﺭْﺽِ 5344-ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪُ ﺑْﻦُ ﻳَﻌْﻘُﻮﺏَ ﻋَﻦْ ﻋَﻠِﻲﱢﱢ ﺑْﻦِ ﺇِﺑْﺮَﺍﻫِﻴﻢَ ﻋَﻦْ ﺃَﺑِﻴﻪِ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﺑْﻦِ ﺃَﺑِﻲ ﻋُﻤَﻴْﺮٍ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﺑْﻦِ ﺑُﻜَﻴْﺮٍ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ﺳَﺄَﻝَ ﺯُﺭَﺍﺭَﺓُ ﺃَﺑَﺎ ﻋَﺒْﺪِ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪِ ﻉ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟﺜﱠﱠﻌَﺎﻟِﺐِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟْﻔَﻨَﻚِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺴﱢﱢﻨْﺠَﺎﺏِ ﻭَ ﻏَﻴْﺮِﻩِ ﻣِﻦَ ﺍﻟْﻮَﺑَﺮِ ﻓَﺄَﺧْﺮَﺝَ ﻛِﺘَﺎﺑﺎً ﺯَﻋَﻢَ ﺃَﻧﱠﱠﻪُ ﺇِﻣْﻠَﺎﺀُ ﺭَﺳُﻮﻝِ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪِ ﺹ ﺃَﻥﱠﱠ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓَ ﻓِﻲ ﻭَﺑَﺮِ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﺣَﺮَﺍﻡٍ ﺃَﻛْﻠُﻪُ ﻓَﺎﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻲ ﻭَﺑَﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺷَﻌْﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺟِﻠْﺪِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺑَﻮْﻟِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺭَﻭْﺛِﻪِ ﻭَ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻨْﻪُ ﻓَﺎﺳِﺪٌ ﻟَﺎ ﺗُﻘْﺒَﻞُ ﺗِﻠْﻚَ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﺣَﺘﱠﱠﻰ ﻳُﺼَﻠﱢﱢﻲَ ﻓِﻲ ﻏَﻴْﺮِﻩِ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﺃَﺣَﻞﱠﱠ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪُ ﺃَﻛْﻠَﻪُ ﺛُﻢﱠﱠ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ﻳَﺎ ﺯُﺭَﺍﺭَﺓُ ﻫَﺬَﺍ ﻋَﻦْ ﺭَﺳُﻮﻝِ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪِ ﺹ ﻓَﺎﺣْﻔَﻆْ ﺫَﻟِﻚَ ﻳَﺎ ﺯُﺭَﺍﺭَﺓُ ﻓَﺈِﻥْ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﻓَﺎﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻲ ﻭَﺑَﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺑَﻮْﻟِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺷَﻌْﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺭَﻭْﺛِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺃَﻟْﺒَﺎﻧِﻪِ ﻭَ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻨْﻪُ ﺟَﺎﺋِﺰٌ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﻋَﻠِﻤْﺖَ ﺃَﻧﱠﱠﻪُ ﺫَﻛِﻲٌّ ﻗَﺪْ ﺫَﻛﱠﱠﺎﻩُ ﺍﻟﺬﱠﱠﺑْﺢُ ﻭَ ﺇِﻥْ  ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻏَﻴْﺮَ ﺫَﻟِﻚَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻗَﺪْ ﻧُﻬِﻴﺖَ ﻋَﻦْ ﺃَﻛْﻠِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺣُﺮﱢﱢﻡَ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻚَ ﺃَﻛْﻠُﻪُ ﻓَﺎﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻲ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻨْﻪُ فاسد ذکاه الذبح ام لم یذکه.
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5347-ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪُ ﺑْﻦُ ﺍﻟْﺤَﺴَﻦِ ﺑِﺈِﺳْﻨَﺎﺩِﻩِ ﻋَﻦْ ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪِ ﺑْﻦِ ﺃَﺣْﻤَﺪَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻳَﺤْﻴَﻰ ﻋَﻦْ ﻋُﻤَﺮَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻋَﻠِﻲﱢﱢ ﺑْﻦِ ﻋُﻤَﺮَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻳَﺰِﻳﺪَ ﻋَﻦْ ﺇِﺑْﺮَﺍﻫِﻴﻢَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪٍ ﺍﻟْﻬَﻤَﺬَﺍﻧِﻲﱢﱢ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ﻛَﺘَﺒْﺖُ ﺇِﻟَﻴْﻪِ ﻳَﺴْﻘُﻂُ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﺛَﻮْﺑِﻲَ ﺍﻟْﻮَﺑَﺮُ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺸﱠﱠﻌْﺮُ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻟَﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﻣِﻦْ ﻏَﻴْﺮِ ﺗَﻘِﻴﱠﱠﺔٍ ﻭَ ﻟَﺎ ﺿَﺮُﻭﺭَﺓٍ ﻓَﻜَﺘَﺐَ ﻟَﺎ ﺗَﺠُﻮﺯُ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻴﻪِ 
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5 hours ago, E.L King said:

Once again, refer to the actual book fatwa before anything.

It would be better if you copy-paste the fatwa above and ask them what is meant by that.

I just asked sayed Hisham the teacher of the hawza in Lebanon. He said the reason why having hair from animals invalidates salah is because it's haram to eat them, but the saliva of the animals are a different matter, and do not invalidate prayer. If I knew how to transfer WhatsApp recordings from my phone to this forum I would have put it here. I believe with the fatwas I showed you, and with what sayed hisham told me, this ends this discussion here, atleast for me, that cat saliva does NOT invalidate salah.

wasalam.

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54 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

I just asked sayed Hisham the teacher of the hawza in Lebanon. He said the reason why having hair from animals invalidates salah is because it's haram to eat them, but the saliva of the animals are a different matter, and do not invalidate prayer. If I knew how to transfer WhatsApp recordings from my phone to this forum I would have put it here. I believe with the fatwas I showed you, and with what sayed hisham told me, this ends this discussion here, atleast for me, that cat saliva does NOT invalidate salah.

wasalam.

Once again, either we're reading the fatwa from the risala in a wrong manner or that doesn't add up with the fatwa in the book. 

However, what I wanted to clear up was regarding the point that tahara is not the only condition for the dress of the musali. He can be wearing something which is tahir and his prayer can still be invalid.

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10 hours ago, mesbah said:

5347-ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪُ ﺑْﻦُ ﺍﻟْﺤَﺴَﻦِ ﺑِﺈِﺳْﻨَﺎﺩِﻩِ ﻋَﻦْ ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪِ ﺑْﻦِ ﺃَﺣْﻤَﺪَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻳَﺤْﻴَﻰ ﻋَﻦْ ﻋُﻤَﺮَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻋَﻠِﻲﱢﱢ ﺑْﻦِ ﻋُﻤَﺮَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻳَﺰِﻳﺪَ ﻋَﻦْ ﺇِﺑْﺮَﺍﻫِﻴﻢَ ﺑْﻦِ ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪٍ ﺍﻟْﻬَﻤَﺬَﺍﻧِﻲﱢﱢ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ﻛَﺘَﺒْﺖُ ﺇِﻟَﻴْﻪِ ﻳَﺴْﻘُﻂُ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﺛَﻮْﺑِﻲَ ﺍﻟْﻮَﺑَﺮُ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺸﱠﱠﻌْﺮُ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻟَﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﻣِﻦْ ﻏَﻴْﺮِ ﺗَﻘِﻴﱠﱠﺔٍ ﻭَ ﻟَﺎ ﺿَﺮُﻭﺭَﺓٍ ﻓَﻜَﺘَﺐَ ﻟَﺎ ﺗَﺠُﻮﺯُ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻴﻪِ 
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This hadith is Mursal. (Not acceptable)

10 hours ago, mesbah said:

Do we fully know 'the logic' of all fiqhi rules?

Here are some 'acceptable' Hadith for this rule:

2-ﺑَﺎﺏُ ﺟَﻮَﺍﺯِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟْﻔِﺮَﺍﺀِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟْﺠُﻠُﻮﺩِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺼﱡﱡﻮﻑِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺸﱠﱠﻌْﺮِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟْﻮَﺑَﺮِ ﻭَ ﻧَﺤْﻮِﻫَﺎ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﺑِﺸَﺮْﻁِ ﺍﻟﺘﱠﱠﺬْﻛِﻴَﺔِ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟْﺠُﻠُﻮﺩِ ﻭَ ﻋَﺪَﻡِ ﺟَﻮَﺍﺯِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻦْ ﺫَﻟِﻚَ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻟَﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﻭَ ﺇِﻥْ ﺫُﻛﱢﱢﻲَ ﻭَ ﺟَﻮَﺍﺯِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﻣَﺎ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻦْ ﻧَﺒَﺎﺕِ ﺍﻟْﺄَﺭْﺽِ 5344-ﻣُﺤَﻤﱠﱠﺪُ ﺑْﻦُ ﻳَﻌْﻘُﻮﺏَ ﻋَﻦْ ﻋَﻠِﻲﱢﱢ ﺑْﻦِ ﺇِﺑْﺮَﺍﻫِﻴﻢَ ﻋَﻦْ ﺃَﺑِﻴﻪِ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﺑْﻦِ ﺃَﺑِﻲ ﻋُﻤَﻴْﺮٍ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﺑْﻦِ ﺑُﻜَﻴْﺮٍ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ﺳَﺄَﻝَ ﺯُﺭَﺍﺭَﺓُ ﺃَﺑَﺎ ﻋَﺒْﺪِ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪِ ﻉ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓِ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟﺜﱠﱠﻌَﺎﻟِﺐِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟْﻔَﻨَﻚِ ﻭَ ﺍﻟﺴﱢﱢﻨْﺠَﺎﺏِ ﻭَ ﻏَﻴْﺮِﻩِ ﻣِﻦَ ﺍﻟْﻮَﺑَﺮِ ﻓَﺄَﺧْﺮَﺝَ ﻛِﺘَﺎﺑﺎً ﺯَﻋَﻢَ ﺃَﻧﱠﱠﻪُ ﺇِﻣْﻠَﺎﺀُ ﺭَﺳُﻮﻝِ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪِ ﺹ ﺃَﻥﱠﱠ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓَ ﻓِﻲ ﻭَﺑَﺮِ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﺣَﺮَﺍﻡٍ ﺃَﻛْﻠُﻪُ ﻓَﺎﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻲ ﻭَﺑَﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺷَﻌْﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺟِﻠْﺪِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺑَﻮْﻟِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺭَﻭْﺛِﻪِ ﻭَ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻨْﻪُ ﻓَﺎﺳِﺪٌ ﻟَﺎ ﺗُﻘْﺒَﻞُ ﺗِﻠْﻚَ ﺍﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﺣَﺘﱠﱠﻰ ﻳُﺼَﻠﱢﱢﻲَ ﻓِﻲ ﻏَﻴْﺮِﻩِ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﺃَﺣَﻞﱠﱠ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪُ ﺃَﻛْﻠَﻪُ ﺛُﻢﱠﱠ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ﻳَﺎ ﺯُﺭَﺍﺭَﺓُ ﻫَﺬَﺍ ﻋَﻦْ ﺭَﺳُﻮﻝِ ﺍﻟﻠﱠﱠﻪِ ﺹ ﻓَﺎﺣْﻔَﻆْ ﺫَﻟِﻚَ ﻳَﺎ ﺯُﺭَﺍﺭَﺓُ ﻓَﺈِﻥْ ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻳُﺆْﻛَﻞُ ﻟَﺤْﻤُﻪُ ﻓَﺎﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻲ ﻭَﺑَﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺑَﻮْﻟِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺷَﻌْﺮِﻩِ ﻭَ ﺭَﻭْﺛِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺃَﻟْﺒَﺎﻧِﻪِ ﻭَ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻨْﻪُ ﺟَﺎﺋِﺰٌ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﻋَﻠِﻤْﺖَ ﺃَﻧﱠﱠﻪُ ﺫَﻛِﻲٌّ ﻗَﺪْ ﺫَﻛﱠﱠﺎﻩُ ﺍﻟﺬﱠﱠﺑْﺢُ ﻭَ ﺇِﻥْ  ﻛَﺎﻥَ ﻏَﻴْﺮَ ﺫَﻟِﻚَ ﻣِﻤﱠﱠﺎ ﻗَﺪْ ﻧُﻬِﻴﺖَ ﻋَﻦْ ﺃَﻛْﻠِﻪِ ﻭَ ﺣُﺮﱢﱢﻡَ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻚَ ﺃَﻛْﻠُﻪُ ﻓَﺎﻟﺼﱠﱠﻠَﺎﺓُ ﻓِﻲ ﻛُﻞﱢﱢ ﺷَﻲْ ﺀٍ ﻣِﻨْﻪُ فاسد ذکاه الذبح ام لم یذکه.
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This hadith is acceptable. Thank you!

It clears the situation. Any and every thing that exists the body of an animal that is forbidden to eat should not be on a prayer's clothes during prayers. 

Did I understand this correctly? (I found a Persian translation for this hadith.)

 

This hadith is very clear. Now this brings to question Sistani's ruling. Why, unlike most scholars, he has ruled that prayers with cat hair on your clothes is not void? 

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2 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

This hadith is Mursal.

How?

I couldn't check yet, but it doesn't seem mursal, it is mudmar though (which doesn't make it unacceptable)

3 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

he has ruled that prayers with cat hair on your clothes is not void? 

In this subject, Ayt. Sistani's fatwa is in accordance with Ijma' and Hadith:

832. The dress of one who is praying, apart from the small clothes like socks which would not ordinarily serve to cover the private parts, should not be made of any part of the body of a wild animal, nor, as an obligatory precaution, of any animal whose meat is haraam. Similarly, his dress should not be soiled with the urine, excretion, sweat, milk or hair of such animals. 

http://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2211/

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10 minutes ago, mesbah said:

How?

I couldn't check yet, but it doesn't seem mursal, it is mudmar though (which doesn't make it unacceptable)

In this subject, Ayt. Sistani's fatwa is in accordance with Ijma' and Hadith:

832. The dress of one who is praying, apart from the small clothes like socks which would not ordinarily serve to cover the private parts, should not be made of any part of the body of a wild animal, nor, as an obligatory precaution, of any animal whose meat is haraam. Similarly, his dress should not be soiled with the urine, excretion, sweat, milk or hair of such animals. 

http://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2211/

Sistani doesn't think that cat hair on clothes, makes the prayers void. Most other scholars do. 

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19 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Sistani doesn't think that cat hair on clothes, makes the prayers void. Most other scholars do. 

Read the fatwa I have pasted above, it's from Ayt. Sistani's official website; it is completely the opposite of what you say.

What is your source?

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1 hour ago, mesbah said:

Read the fatwa I have pasted above, it's from Ayt. Sistani's official website; it is completely the opposite of what you say.

What is your source?

http://www.islamic-laws.com/qataharatnajasat.htm

Q)        Is there a ruling from Ayatullah Seestani stating that if there are hair from the         body of a cat on a cloth, wearing  such cloth in prayers invalidates      these prayers?

 

A)        According to Ayatullah Al-Sistani Dama-Dhilluhu, cat's hair is not najis and             presence of cat's hair on the body or cloth does not invalidate prayer. (Y.K.)

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45 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

http://www.islamic-laws.com/qataharatnajasat.htm

Q)        Is there a ruling from Ayatullah Seestani stating that if there are hair from the         body of a cat on a cloth, wearing  such cloth in prayers invalidates      these prayers?

 

A)        According to Ayatullah Al-Sistani Dama-Dhilluhu, cat's hair is not najis and             presence of cat's hair on the body or cloth does not invalidate prayer. (Y.K.)

Question: What is your ruling about cat hair on a person's dress during salat?

Answer: If there is one cat hair or there are two or three hairs on a person's body or clothe, his prayer is in order but if there are more than that, his prayer becomes void, as an obligatory precaution.
 
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58 minutes ago, E.L King said:

Question: What is your ruling about cat hair on a person's dress during salat?

Answer: If there is one cat hair or there are two or three hairs on a person's body or clothe, his prayer is in order but if there are more than that, his prayer becomes void, as an obligatory precaution.
 

I think this is a recent revision to Sistani's ruling. I can't remember this qualification from before. The site that I quoted doesn't have this new revision. 

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Sistani's fatwa has been revised. Search posts on this forum about this topic from a few years ago and you'd see. Here's one example:

And the links to his previous fatwa on his website have been removed. 

I know this because 5 years ago, before buying a cat, I looked into this. When you search, you'd probably find my post on this topic, too. 

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I found my old post from 5 years ago about cat hair. 

I used a couple of other hadiths to better understand the main hadith that's used for this topic. 

 

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On 08/08/2017 at 1:01 PM, E.L King said:

Once again, either we're reading the fatwa from the risala in a wrong manner or that doesn't add up with the fatwa in the book. 

However, what I wanted to clear up was regarding the point that tahara is not the only condition for the dress of the musali. He can be wearing something which is tahir and his prayer can still be invalid.

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Lol. This is the last time I use this website, because this isn't the first time they made a mistake like that. I don't think those people are qualified to be answering questions based on the fatwas of Sayed Sistani.

I also did more investigation and found these fatwas from Imam Khamenei:

Question: What is the ruling on cats in Islam? 1. What do the narrations say about the Prophet of Islam, Mohammad Mustapha (S) and his opinion and interaction with them? 2. Is it permissible to keep them in one's home? Is it recommended as it is for certain types of birds, or, simply permissible? 3. Is it permissible to pray with cat hair on one's clothes? What if a cat licks your hand? 4. Finally, if it is not permissible to pray with cat hair on the clothes, is it because the hair of any animal that cannot be eaten cannot be on the clothes when one prays (thus a general rule), or, is it specific to cats, while not making them najis al-'ayn. 5. When and to which animals does the principle apply that the parts of the body that have no soul are tahir (ritually clean) and to which parts of the animal does it refer?

Answer: Bismihi Ta`ala 
1-4) There is no objection in keeping cats in one's house but it is impermissible to pray while cat's hair is on one's clothes or body. This ruling includes the hair of those Islamically inedible animals except those animals for which exception is mentioned in Islamic law. Saliva of cats is taahir (pure) but it is impermissible to pray with it. 
5) This is mentioned in detail within the book of Practical Laws of Islam. 

http://www.alseraj.net/maktaba/kotob/english/Fiqh/MiscellaneousFatwas/imam/fatwas/further.htm#sunniprayers

 

Q 437: Does the existence of the hair or saliva of a cat on a person’s clothes cause his/her prayer to be invalid? 
A: Yes, it invalidates the prayer.

http://leader.ir/en/book/23?sn=5262

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