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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47558.htm

North Korea or Iran…Where Will Trump Attack First?

By Ron Paul

August 01, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - President Trump seems to be impatiently racing toward at least one disastrous war. Maybe two. The big question is who will be first? North Korea or Iran?

Over the past several days President Trump has sent two nuclear-capable B-1 bombers over the Korean peninsula to send a clear message that he is ready to attack North Korea. On Saturday he blamed China for North Korea’s refusal to cease its missile tests. He Tweeted: “I am very disappointed in China… they do nothing for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue.”

One press report from an unnamed Pentagon source claimed that President Trump “is to order a military strike against North Korea within a year,” after this weekend’s North Korean test of a longer-range missile.

Iran, which along with North Korea and Russia will face new sanctions imposed by Congress and expected to be signed into law by Trump, is also in President Trump’s crosshairs. He was reportedly furious over his Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s certifying that Iran was in compliance with the nuclear deal – even though Iran was in compliance – and he seems determined to push a confrontation.

Twice in the past week the US military has fired at Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf. On Tuesday an Iranian military ship in the Persian Gulf was warned off by machine gun blasts from a US Naval vessel. Then on Friday the US Navy fired warning flares toward another Iranian ship operating in the Persian Gulf.

Imagine if the US Navy had encountered Iranian warships in the Gulf of Mexico firing machine guns at them when they approached the Iranians.

Facing new sanctions, the Iranian government announced that it will not end ballistic missile testing even under US pressure. The missile program is not a violation of the P5+1 Iran deal unless it is specifically designed to carry nuclear weapons.

So whom will Trump attack first? Let’s hope nobody, but with continuing pressure from both Democrats and Republicans over the unproven “Russiagate” allegations, it increasingly looks like he will seek relief by starting a “nice little war.” If he does so, however, his presidency will likely be over and he may end up blundering into a much bigger war in the process.

Although Trump’s bombastic rhetoric on Iran and North Korea has been pretty consistent, the American people voted Trump because he was seen as the less likely of the two candidates to get the US into a major war.

A recent study by the Boston University and the University of Minnesota concluded that Trump won the most votes in parts of the country with the highest military casualties. Those most directly suffering the costs of war were attracted to the candidate they saw as less likely to take the US into another major war. These are the Americans living in the swing states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan that surprised the pundits by voting for Trump over Hillary.

Will Trump’s legacy be blustering us into one or two wars that will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like cakewalks by comparison? Millions dead? It’s time to make our voices known before it’s too late!

Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute.

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08Aug17 2020hrsEDT

News in the last hour:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-usa-idUSKBN1AO2L9

At 1946hrs reported DPRK is "seriously" considering striking Guam (US Territory)

https://kcnawatch.com/newstream/1502235077-209067100/u-s-reckless-nuclear-war-frenzy-slammed/  This is the DPRK's rhetorical response to Trump's "fire and fury" pronouncement on Tuesday. This link is Japanese.

NOTE: this link has been broken, yet try anyway. Reads: "will not accept".

Elsewhere, Daniel Jean, advisor to Canada's PM arrived in the DPRK capital this afternoon, our time.

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2240hrsEDT 08Aug17

Xinhua is reported nearly an hour ago that the DPRK is detailing plans to launch an attack on Guam because the US keeps sending B-1s from there.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/09/c_136510469.htm

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2358hrs08/Aug17

Her is an article about DPRK artillery. Most DPRK positions on the invasion route to go above the 38th Parallel are too far away to land rounds on Seoul. And as this article points out, there are more higher priority targets further East from the Seoul metropolitan area.

This article also uses the estimates of 8,600 to 12,000 artillery tubes. In June the Senate was saying there are 14,000. While troop training is high the equipment is old.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/25/1656090/-North-Korea-artillery-and-the-concept-of-flattening-Seoul-a-breakdown 

 

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Tuesday the 8th's news again said -as broadcast in July- that the remaining "hurtle" for the DPRK to have a capable lCBM is to develop a re-entry vehicle. l found this:

After reinforced carbon fiber suitable for this was developed in the 1960s, in the 1970s and thereafter the US and the CCCP re-capped their warheads. lndia has its own indigenous capability to produce this. So since this is produced from rayon, it is likely that the DPRK already has this.

For an interesting short read --including a couple of links within the article-- see this 2012 article:  http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/205150/dprk-icbm-items/ 

Added: The Taepodong-2 = lndia's Unha-3 according to my reading. Missiles for CF(carbon fiber) ? ? ?

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20 hours ago, hasanhh said:

08Aug17 2020hrsEDT

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Elsewhere, Daniel Jean, advisor to Canada's PM arrived in the DPRK capital this afternoon, our time.

Update: NHK 1900hrsTokyoTime09Aug17 /0600EDT09Aug  reported that Jean is in Pyangyong to gain the release of "a Canadian citizen and pastor" who was arrested in the DPRK

2nd Update: NHK 1700EDT reported that the pastor has been released.

OPINE: Maybe there was back-channel communications + the DPRK had changed its pronounced targeting from mainland US to the Territory of Guam. This after Trump's "fire and fury" pronouncement on Tuesday.

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https://www.nknews.org/2017/08/south-korean-presidential-office-denies-claims-of-a-crisis-on-korean-peninsula/ 

To wit in another signal sending (compare with some reports above) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-kcna-idUSKBN1AP2P5  time1816EDT 09Aug17, entitled: "North Korea will develop Guam strike plan by mid-August: KCNA

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As the DPRK and the USA continue with 'the beginning' of relieving tensions;

Russia urges restraint and to find paths of communication: http://tass.com/politics/959777 

The UN is now trying to figure out the next steps: https://www.voanews.com/a/united-nations-north-korea-sanctions/3979194.html  The UNSC believes that to 'choke funding' to the DPRK weapons programs will work. [Opine: although as mentioned above and in media there is trading going on.]

But options for diplomatic communications are few: https://www.voanews.com/a/united-states-north-korea-have-few-channels-by-which-to-resolve-crises/3979330.htm  Note:link problem though address is correct. Enter title]

A rally and march was held Wednesday in Pyongyang to protest UN Sanctions. The rally was presided over by 90ish Kim Ki-nam who is Vice-Chairman of the Worker's Party of Korea, Director of the Propaganda and Agitation Department and is also Vice-Chairman of the Committee for Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland. Wikipedia has a few more bio-notes. OPINE: now if this isn't clear signal sending, what is?

QAlso, be careful about the media as they as behind in covering and analyzing events and are hyping the news.

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For a good read on Sino-Russian views on the DPRK and East Asia, see:

03Sept17 https://www.rt.com/news/401882-putin-xi-north-korea-deal/   -to "appropriately deal" with DPRK

Previously, 09Aug17 DPRK Director for the Propaganda and Agitation Ministry Kim Ki-nam led a rally that reaffirmed North Korea's long standing objectives. Omitting the rally's statements on long standing economic objectives, the reports only mention the denunciation of the UN allowing itself to yield to US fabrications. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/north-korea-rally-against-un-sanctions -for example. 

For the DPRK: Putin said on 07Sept17, "North Korea needs to be gradually involved in regional cooperation, Russia has some specific proposals that everyone knows about, which includes building a joint railway connecting the Trans-Siberian Railway and Korean railways through North Korea, as well as the development of pipeline transport and North Korean ports to name a few."  http://tass.com/economy/964332 -2nd paragraph

As seen from this "Russia-China" news bulletin, http://tass.com/economy/964455  ,07Sept17,  these ideas will be integrated into China's "Road and Belt" programs.

OPINE:  A couple of weeks ago, l saw the State Dept's spokeswoman say the US will not talk to the DPRK until "they get serious". Now while this was before this past week's 60-70kT fusion nuclear device test, what does the US means by "serious". About the only thing l can think of more "serious" than nuclear devices are the bio-weapons that the Soviets put on their lCBMs.

 

 

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