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Pretty simple, does our religion preach such? When we really zoom out and look at the other two main abrahamic religions, the concept of hell is present, but is it eternal? Are we not all ultimately saved by gods grace?

@Qasim Rashid (OF) has had me on a loop with this topic,

quote'

“Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied.

“Is hell eternal?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied again.

“So, a merciful, compassionate, and just God would send a finite creature with finite knowledge of sins to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?”

 

Any refutations?

1. Rejection of eternal hell

Proponents of the “eternal hell” theory often cite three verses to support their position. First, Qur’an 5:38,“They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.” Second, 4:138, “Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.” Finally, 5:73, “Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort.”

In claiming these verses establish eternal hell, such proponents commit at least five errors.

First, they translate azaabummukeem in Qur’an 5:38 as “never ending” instead of “lasting.” Arabic lexicon holds that azaabummukeem here does not mean “never ending” but instead “very long.” It takes a middle ground — hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer.

Second, eternal hell theorists ignore Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” This also establishes the scope of 4:138 cited above to apply only as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life.

Qur’an 39:54 says, “. . . despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” In reading the Qur’an as a whole, rather than in isolated fragments, it is clear that God forgives all sins.

Finally, taking the phrase “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace.

2. Gods grace

Like the Bible, the Qur’an teaches that faith without works is dead. Ultimately, however, Islam teaches that we are saved by God’s grace. Islam teaches that as Master of the universe, God bestows his grace on whomsoever he pleases for whatever reason he pleases — without need for sacrifice. Our works are not for God, but for humanity’s benefit. Thus, as God’s grace  ultimately saves us, hell cannot remain eternal.

 

3. Monopolization of salvation

It is not for humans to say how God will judge. Indeed, no guarantee or promise exists that every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise.

The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.”

Islam also teaches that hell is not designed for torment, but reform. All must first be cleansed of sin before entering paradise. This cleansing may be of incorrect beliefs — held by non-Muslims and misguided Muslims — or for sinful actions. Hell is the reformatory abode for purification after death. Qur’an 101:9-10 declares, “But as for him whose scales are light [upon judgment], hell will be his nursing mother.”

This verse makes no distinction between a believer and a nonbeliever. Yes, Islam teaches that hell is a painful experience, but Islam defines hell as a nursing mother designed to purge sin before admitting a soul to paradise

 

Lastly.....

God is not sadistic.

If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.

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5 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

Pretty simple, does our religion preach such? When we really zoom out and look at the other two main abrahamic religions, the concept of hell is present, but is it eternal? Are we not all ultimately saved by gods grace?

@Qasim Rashid (OF) has had me on a loop with this topic,

quote'

“Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied.

“Is hell eternal?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied again.

“So, a merciful, compassionate, and just God would send a finite creature with finite knowledge of sins to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?”

 

Any refutations?

1. Rejection of eternal hell

Proponents of the “eternal hell” theory often cite three verses to support their position. First, Qur’an 5:38,“They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.” Second, 4:138, “Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.” Finally, 5:73, “Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort.”

In claiming these verses establish eternal hell, such proponents commit at least five errors.

First, they translate azaabummukeem in Qur’an 5:38 as “never ending” instead of “lasting.” Arabic lexicon holds that azaabummukeem here does not mean “never ending” but instead “very long.” It takes a middle ground — hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer.

Second, eternal hell theorists ignore Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” This also establishes the scope of 4:138 cited above to apply only as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life.

Qur’an 39:54 says, “. . . despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” In reading the Qur’an as a whole, rather than in isolated fragments, it is clear that God forgives all sins.

Finally, taking the phrase “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace.

2. Gods grace

Like the Bible, the Qur’an teaches that faith without works is dead. Ultimately, however, Islam teaches that we are saved by God’s grace. Islam teaches that as Master of the universe, God bestows his grace on whomsoever he pleases for whatever reason he pleases — without need for sacrifice. Our works are not for God, but for humanity’s benefit. Thus, as God’s grace  ultimately saves us, hell cannot remain eternal.

 

3. Monopolization of salvation

It is not for humans to say how God will judge. Indeed, no guarantee or promise exists that every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise.

The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.”

Islam also teaches that hell is not designed for torment, but reform. All must first be cleansed of sin before entering paradise. This cleansing may be of incorrect beliefs — held by non-Muslims and misguided Muslims — or for sinful actions. Hell is the reformatory abode for purification after death. Qur’an 101:9-10 declares, “But as for him whose scales are light [upon judgment], hell will be his nursing mother.”

This verse makes no distinction between a believer and a nonbeliever. Yes, Islam teaches that hell is a painful experience, but Islam defines hell as a nursing mother designed to purge sin before admitting a soul to paradise

 

Lastly.....

God is not sadistic.

If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.

God wont spend his Mercy on those who didnt want it or never even had the intention of wanting. The only ones who pardon aside from the True Believers are they whom never recieved or truly heard of Allah's true revelation and did more good deeds then bad and those who even have an atoms of weight of faith. The second type of people will suffer in Jahannam and then they will leave it. The first group of people mentioned above will go straight to Jannah inshallah. :)

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I know some apologetics say that Allah only mentioned eternal hell to scare off people to not sin. They quote verses that hell is not eternal.

Javed Ghamidi is an example of someone who believes in this theory.

However, Allah only speaks the truth.

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48 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

Pretty simple, does our religion preach such? When we really zoom out and look at the other two main abrahamic religions, the concept of hell is present, but is it eternal? Are we not all ultimately saved by gods grace?

@Qasim Rashid (OF) has had me on a loop with this topic,

quote'

“Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied.

“Is hell eternal?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied again.

“So, a merciful, compassionate, and just God would send a finite creature with finite knowledge of sins to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?”

 

Any refutations?

1. Rejection of eternal hell

Proponents of the “eternal hell” theory often cite three verses to support their position. First, Qur’an 5:38,“They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.” Second, 4:138, “Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.” Finally, 5:73, “Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort.”

In claiming these verses establish eternal hell, such proponents commit at least five errors.

First, they translate azaabummukeem in Qur’an 5:38 as “never ending” instead of “lasting.” Arabic lexicon holds that azaabummukeem here does not mean “never ending” but instead “very long.” It takes a middle ground — hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer.

Second, eternal hell theorists ignore Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” This also establishes the scope of 4:138 cited above to apply only as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life.

Qur’an 39:54 says, “. . . despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” In reading the Qur’an as a whole, rather than in isolated fragments, it is clear that God forgives all sins.

Finally, taking the phrase “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace.

2. Gods grace

Like the Bible, the Qur’an teaches that faith without works is dead. Ultimately, however, Islam teaches that we are saved by God’s grace. Islam teaches that as Master of the universe, God bestows his grace on whomsoever he pleases for whatever reason he pleases — without need for sacrifice. Our works are not for God, but for humanity’s benefit. Thus, as God’s grace  ultimately saves us, hell cannot remain eternal.

 

3. Monopolization of salvation

It is not for humans to say how God will judge. Indeed, no guarantee or promise exists that every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise.

The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.”

Islam also teaches that hell is not designed for torment, but reform. All must first be cleansed of sin before entering paradise. This cleansing may be of incorrect beliefs — held by non-Muslims and misguided Muslims — or for sinful actions. Hell is the reformatory abode for purification after death. Qur’an 101:9-10 declares, “But as for him whose scales are light [upon judgment], hell will be his nursing mother.”

This verse makes no distinction between a believer and a nonbeliever. Yes, Islam teaches that hell is a painful experience, but Islam defines hell as a nursing mother designed to purge sin before admitting a soul to paradise

 

Lastly.....

God is not sadistic.

If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.

The he'll is eternal but not necessarily the inmates of he'll. The inamtes of he'll will burn as long as their sins are nullified by process of burning. 

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45 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

Pretty simple, does our religion preach such? When we really zoom out and look at the other two main abrahamic religions, the concept of hell is present, but is it eternal? Are we not all ultimately saved by gods grace?

@Qasim Rashid (OF) has had me on a loop with this topic,

quote'

“Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied.

“Is hell eternal?”

“Yes, absolutely,” he replied again.

“So, a merciful, compassionate, and just God would send a finite creature with finite knowledge of sins to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?”

 

Any refutations?

1. Rejection of eternal hell

Proponents of the “eternal hell” theory often cite three verses to support their position. First, Qur’an 5:38,“They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.” Second, 4:138, “Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.” Finally, 5:73, “Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort.”

In claiming these verses establish eternal hell, such proponents commit at least five errors.

First, they translate azaabummukeem in Qur’an 5:38 as “never ending” instead of “lasting.” Arabic lexicon holds that azaabummukeem here does not mean “never ending” but instead “very long.” It takes a middle ground — hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer.

Second, eternal hell theorists ignore Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” This also establishes the scope of 4:138 cited above to apply only as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life.

Qur’an 39:54 says, “. . . despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” In reading the Qur’an as a whole, rather than in isolated fragments, it is clear that God forgives all sins.

Finally, taking the phrase “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace.

2. Gods grace

Like the Bible, the Qur’an teaches that faith without works is dead. Ultimately, however, Islam teaches that we are saved by God’s grace. Islam teaches that as Master of the universe, God bestows his grace on whomsoever he pleases for whatever reason he pleases — without need for sacrifice. Our works are not for God, but for humanity’s benefit. Thus, as God’s grace  ultimately saves us, hell cannot remain eternal.

 

3. Monopolization of salvation

It is not for humans to say how God will judge. Indeed, no guarantee or promise exists that every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise.

The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.”

Islam also teaches that hell is not designed for torment, but reform. All must first be cleansed of sin before entering paradise. This cleansing may be of incorrect beliefs — held by non-Muslims and misguided Muslims — or for sinful actions. Hell is the reformatory abode for purification after death. Qur’an 101:9-10 declares, “But as for him whose scales are light [upon judgment], hell will be his nursing mother.”

This verse makes no distinction between a believer and a nonbeliever. Yes, Islam teaches that hell is a painful experience, but Islam defines hell as a nursing mother designed to purge sin before admitting a soul to paradise

 

Lastly.....

God is not sadistic.

If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.

If you mean to say that hell is not eternal, you mean to say that God would show mercy for the evil-doers, while God has already told that he does not bless evil or the evil doers. This itself shows that you believe that God is weak and allows evil a refuge, but there is no such case, God never accepts evil if it has transgressed it's limits and the limits of evil are that one should not exceed in disobeying him and hurting his creatures and His Law. 

In Quran, there are many verses for the eternally cursed beings who always disobeyed that they will be thrown into Hell forever for they have no regard for God or His creation. 

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1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

First, they translate azaabummukeem in Qur’an 5:38 as “never ending” instead of “lasting.” Arabic lexicon holds that azaabummukeem here does not mean “never ending” but instead “very long.” It takes a middle ground — hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer.

Mashallah making your own deduction and tafseer of Quranic verses. 

Firstly, Let me get this straight, you are a professional in arabic literature i assume? With what logic did you come to a conclusion out of this particular ayah that hell "takes the middle ground"? whatever that means... 

I'll answer you with your own language, very long, here means: a torture, a pain that is so lengthy that it seems like it i growing and the ones tortured feel as if it is something very long. With what logic do you prove out of this ayah that hell is lengthy but not eternal? I does not make sense.

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer.

This statement does not make sense to me, please explain this logic. People would want to escape? 

 

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

Second, eternal hell theorists ignore Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” This also establishes the scope of 4:138 cited above to apply only as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life.

Hell obviously does not encompass Allah's mercy, rather the opposite, His divine wrath is put on display in there. 

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life.

Looks like you haven't heard of the Quranic verse, in which the unbelievers will ask Allah, or perhaps on the brink of their deaths that would He give them a second chance in order for them to be a believer, it is said to them that if you'd be graced an endless life,would disbelieve in Allah forever and never believe in Him... I unfortunately can't remember the exact ayah, i'd appreciate if one would remind me of the exact.

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

Qur’an 39:54 says, “. . . despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” In reading the Qur’an as a whole, rather than in isolated fragments, it is clear that God forgives all sins.

Finally, taking the phrase “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace.

Ya subhanAllah, making your own deductions, comparing a hospital to hellfire, excuse my french but are you out of your god damn mind? The hellfire is a place of torture upon torture, no mercy of Allah is placed there. 

Yes there are people whom will be tormented for a specific time and then out of the mercy of Allah, be saved, yes your argument fits here, but not for every single person in hell, also these people whom will be lifted out of hell are not just any one, there are ahadith which state which kind of people will be tormented and then lifted out. 

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

Like the Bible, the Qur’an teaches that faith without works is dead. Ultimately, however, Islam teaches that we are saved by God’s grace. Islam teaches that as Master of the universe, God bestows his grace on whomsoever he pleases for whatever reason he pleases — without need for sacrifice. Our works are not for God, but for humanity’s benefit. Thus, as God’s grace  ultimately saves us, hell cannot remain eternal.

Mashallah, with your logic the likes of mass murderers, rapist, oppressors etc would one day be chilling out in Heaven... wow... that logic is simply idiotic. 

(16.29)فَادْخُلُوا أَبْوَابَ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۖ فَلَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الْمُتَكَبِّرِينَ

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

t is not for humans to say how God will judge. Indeed, no guarantee or promise exists that every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise.

The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.”

Islam also teaches that hell is not designed for torment, but reform. All must first be cleansed of sin before entering paradise. This cleansing may be of incorrect beliefs — held by non-Muslims and misguided Muslims — or for sinful actions. Hell is the reformatory abode for purification after death. Qur’an 101:9-10 declares, “But as for him whose scales are light [upon judgment], hell will be his nursing mother.”

This verse makes no distinction between a believer and a nonbeliever. Yes, Islam teaches that hell is a painful experience, but Islam defines hell as a nursing mother designed to purge sin before admitting a soul to paradise

"Non muslims shall attain paradise" Mashallah it is upon your hands to decide this, even a child knows that the only ones granted paradise will be the muslims (real muslims, the ones whom embraced the wilayah and the ones whom did not attain any hujjah in their lifetime. Anyone out of this group is an unbeliever who disbelieved in Islam when the hujjah came or were oppressive, sinful etc...

"As for him whose slaces are light (upon judgement) hell will be his nursing mother", yes this ayah proves that this limited torment of hellfire will only be granted to the ones whom had light scale of sins... No where does it prove that every single one who goes to hellfire will have it be a nursing mother to him or limited.

Your last paragraph proves your ignorance, this ayah does not state that hell will be a nursing mother for all whom enter!

1 hour ago, Bazzi_ said:

If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.

Mashallah thumma Mashallah, i assume you believe in a God yes? Well i assume you believe He is the Most knowledgeable yes? With what logic are you now turning around and stating that God putting people into hellfire because they sinned "for a limited time" is sadistic?? Allah does not act unjustly upon anyone, Allah knows who's truly a disbeliever, He knows that these people whom He will put in hellfire would disbeliev in him, oppress people, kill people, steal and whatnot forever if Allah wished to extend their lives.

You base your whole argument in this simple, stupid and childish statement: "Why would God torment because of something limited in something eternal" and a child could invalidate this argument by stating the Quranic verse, if they'd live forever they'd disbelieve for ever...

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Pretty simple, does our religion preach such? When we really zoom out and look at the other two main abrahamic religions, the concept of hell is present, but is it eternal? Are we not all ultimately saved by gods grace?

Hell is eternal for others and for others not. Q:4:169

إِلاَّ‌ طَ‍‍ر‍ِ‍ي‍‍قَ جَهَ‍‍نَّ‍‍مَ خَ‍‍ال‍ِ‍د‍ِ‍ي‍‍نَ فِيهَ‍‍ا‌ ‌أَبَد‌ا‌ ً ۚ ‌وَك‍‍َ‍انَ ‌ذَلِكَ عَلَى‌ ‌ال‍‍لَّهِ يَسِير‌ا‌‌ ً

Cleary it says Abaden, means forever.

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God is not sadistic.

If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.

Who said sins of insignificantly of few years does not make the person to deserve eternal hell? How did you measure the value of sin? This is only people imagination and reasoning that is far from the truth. People make these reasoning and imaginations about what can God be or not, as limiting him, and all of these limitations is not God and have nothing to do with Him. Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì is what He have described Him by Himself. 

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1 hour ago, islam25 said:

The he'll is eternal but not necessarily the inmates of he'll. The inamtes of he'll will burn as long as their sins are nullified by process of burning. 

And brother @Bazzi_ 

Those who die without Imaan i.e. Disbelievers will be in hell forever. 

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 116:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَن تُغْنِيَ عَنْهُمْ أَمْوَالُهُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُهُم مِّنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَأُولَٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah; and these are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

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4 hours ago, AliMohammed said:

Mashallah making your own deduction and tafseer of Quranic verses. 

Firstly, Let me get this straight, you are a professional in arabic literature i assume? With what logic did you come to a conclusion out of this particular ayah that hell "takes the middle ground"? whatever that means... 

I'll answer you with your own language, very long, here means: a torture, a pain that is so lengthy that it seems like it i growing and the ones tortured feel as if it is something very long. With what logic do you prove out of this ayah that hell is lengthy but not eternal? I does not make sense.

This statement does not make sense to me, please explain this logic. People would want to escape? 

 

Hell obviously does not encompass Allah's mercy, rather the opposite, His divine wrath is put on display in there. 

Looks like you haven't heard of the Quranic verse, in which the unbelievers will ask Allah, or perhaps on the brink of their deaths that would He give them a second chance in order for them to be a believer, it is said to them that if you'd be graced an endless life,would disbelieve in Allah forever and never believe in Him... I unfortunately can't remember the exact ayah, i'd appreciate if one would remind me of the exact.

Ya subhanAllah, making your own deductions, comparing a hospital to hellfire, excuse my french but are you out of your god damn mind? The hellfire is a place of torture upon torture, no mercy of Allah is placed there. 

Yes there are people whom will be tormented for a specific time and then out of the mercy of Allah, be saved, yes your argument fits here, but not for every single person in hell, also these people whom will be lifted out of hell are not just any one, there are ahadith which state which kind of people will be tormented and then lifted out. 

Mashallah, with your logic the likes of mass murderers, rapist, oppressors etc would one day be chilling out in Heaven... wow... that logic is simply idiotic. 

(16.29)فَادْخُلُوا أَبْوَابَ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۖ فَلَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الْمُتَكَبِّرِينَ

"Non muslims shall attain paradise" Mashallah it is upon your hands to decide this, even a child knows that the only ones granted paradise will be the muslims (real muslims, the ones whom embraced the wilayah and the ones whom did not attain any hujjah in their lifetime. Anyone out of this group is an unbeliever who disbelieved in Islam when the hujjah came or were oppressive, sinful etc...

"As for him whose slaces are light (upon judgement) hell will be his nursing mother", yes this ayah proves that this limited torment of hellfire will only be granted to the ones whom had light scale of sins... No where does it prove that every single one who goes to hellfire will have it be a nursing mother to him or limited.

Your last paragraph proves your ignorance, this ayah does not state that hell will be a nursing mother for all whom enter!

Mashallah thumma Mashallah, i assume you believe in a God yes? Well i assume you believe He is the Most knowledgeable yes? With what logic are you now turning around and stating that God putting people into hellfire because they sinned "for a limited time" is sadistic?? Allah does not act unjustly upon anyone, Allah knows who's truly a disbeliever, He knows that these people whom He will put in hellfire would disbeliev in him, oppress people, kill people, steal and whatnot forever if Allah wished to extend their lives.

You base your whole argument in this simple, stupid and childish statement: "Why would God torment because of something limited in something eternal" and a child could invalidate this argument by stating the Quranic verse, if they'd live forever they'd disbelieve for ever...

 

No need to get all fussy, ad hominem after ad-hominem. Calm yourself, I won't even bother with a constructive counter argument, you don't reflect. I will leave you with this, your quote "even a child knows that the only ones granted paradise will be the muslims" clearly showing your mindset, one that needs changing. 

You should first understand that 

Islam teaches us that No Religion can Monopolize Salvation

True Islam recognizes that no one religion holds a monopoly over salvation. The Holy Quran clearly supports this belief as it declares,

“Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians—whichever party from among these truly believes in God and the Last Day and does good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve” (2:63).

This verse demonstrates that it is not just Muslims who will receive the rewards of their good deeds. Jews, and Christians, and Sabians those who are of non-Abrahamic religions will all be rewarded for their good deeds and their faith. Indeed, it is impossible for Muslims to declare a monopoly on salvation when the Holy Quran clearly states that those of other religions who do good deeds will have no fear.

True Islam recognizes that the right to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell is one that is exclusive to God. Human beings Muslims or otherwise cannot make this decision. Likewise, the Holy Quran states,

“As to those who believe verily, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Surely, Allah watches over all things” (22:18).

The Holy Quran is likewise clear that God’s grace and mercy are His most powerful attributes:

“God replied, I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things” (7:157).

Therefore, True Islam recognize that ultimately, God’s mercy will encompass all human beings, regardless of their faith. Indeed, True Islam teaches that if mercy were not one of the attributes of God, no one would be delivered.

Therefore, True Islam rejects any type of a monopoly on salvation. One that you seem to be preaching, no?

 

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2 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

The Holy Quran is likewise clear that God’s grace and mercy are His most powerful attributes:

“God replied, I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things” (7:157).

Grace and mercy are for believers, not for evil doers. See the Holy Quran 4:93

وَمَن يَقْتُلْ مُؤْمِنًا مُّتَعَمِّدًا فَجَزَاؤُهُ جَهَنَّمُ خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَغَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَعَنَهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُ عَذَابًا عَظِيمًا

And whoever kills a believer deliberately, and his portions are hell, and he is eternally there, and God's wrath upon him, and his curse, and prepare a great torment for him.

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14 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:
19 hours ago, AliMohammed said:

Mashallah making your own deduction and tafseer of Quranic verses. 

Firstly, Let me get this straight, you are a professional in arabic literature i assume? With what logic did you come to a conclusion out of this particular ayah that hell "takes the middle ground"? whatever that means... 

I'll answer you with your own language, very long, here means: a torture, a pain that is so lengthy that it seems like it i growing and the ones tortured feel as if it is something very long. With what logic do you prove out of this ayah that hell is lengthy but not eternal? I does not make sense.

This statement does not make sense to me, please explain this logic. People would want to escape? 

 

Hell obviously does not encompass Allah's mercy, rather the opposite, His divine wrath is put on display in there. 

Looks like you haven't heard of the Quranic verse, in which the unbelievers will ask Allah, or perhaps on the brink of their deaths that would He give them a second chance in order for them to be a believer, it is said to them that if you'd be graced an endless life,would disbelieve in Allah forever and never believe in Him... I unfortunately can't remember the exact ayah, i'd appreciate if one would remind me of the exact.

Ya subhanAllah, making your own deductions, comparing a hospital to hellfire, excuse my french but are you out of your god damn mind? The hellfire is a place of torture upon torture, no mercy of Allah is placed there. 

Yes there are people whom will be tormented for a specific time and then out of the mercy of Allah, be saved, yes your argument fits here, but not for every single person in hell, also these people whom will be lifted out of hell are not just any one, there are ahadith which state which kind of people will be tormented and then lifted out. 

Mashallah, with your logic the likes of mass murderers, rapist, oppressors etc would one day be chilling out in Heaven... wow... that logic is simply idiotic. 

(16.29)فَادْخُلُوا أَبْوَابَ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۖ فَلَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الْمُتَكَبِّرِينَ

"Non muslims shall attain paradise" Mashallah it is upon your hands to decide this, even a child knows that the only ones granted paradise will be the muslims (real muslims, the ones whom embraced the wilayah and the ones whom did not attain any hujjah in their lifetime. Anyone out of this group is an unbeliever who disbelieved in Islam when the hujjah came or were oppressive, sinful etc...

"As for him whose slaces are light (upon judgement) hell will be his nursing mother", yes this ayah proves that this limited torment of hellfire will only be granted to the ones whom had light scale of sins... No where does it prove that every single one who goes to hellfire will have it be a nursing mother to him or limited.

Your last paragraph proves your ignorance, this ayah does not state that hell will be a nursing mother for all whom enter!

Mashallah thumma Mashallah, i assume you believe in a God yes? Well i assume you believe He is the Most knowledgeable yes? With what logic are you now turning around and stating that God putting people into hellfire because they sinned "for a limited time" is sadistic?? Allah does not act unjustly upon anyone, Allah knows who's truly a disbeliever, He knows that these people whom He will put in hellfire would disbeliev in him, oppress people, kill people, steal and whatnot forever if Allah wished to extend their lives.

You base your whole argument in this simple, stupid and childish statement: "Why would God torment because of something limited in something eternal" and a child could invalidate this argument by stating the Quranic verse, if they'd live forever they'd disbelieve for ever...

 

No need to get all fussy, ad hominem after ad-hominem. Calm yourself, I won't even bother with a constructive counter argument, you don't reflect. I will leave you with this, your quote "even a child knows that the only ones granted paradise will be the muslims" clearly showing your mindset, one that needs changing. 

You should first understand that 

Islam teaches us that No Religion can Monopolize Salvation

True Islam recognizes that no one religion holds a monopoly over salvation. The Holy Quran clearly supports this belief as it declares,

“Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians—whichever party from among these truly believes in God and the Last Day and does good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve” (2:63).

This verse demonstrates that it is not just Muslims who will receive the rewards of their good deeds. Jews, and Christians, and Sabians those who are of non-Abrahamic religions will all be rewarded for their good deeds and their faith. Indeed, it is impossible for Muslims to declare a monopoly on salvation when the Holy Quran clearly states that those of other religions who do good deeds will have no fear.

True Islam recognizes that the right to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell is one that is exclusive to God. Human beings Muslims or otherwise cannot make this decision. Likewise, the Holy Quran states,

“As to those who believe verily, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Surely, Allah watches over all things” (22:18).

The Holy Quran is likewise clear that God’s grace and mercy are His most powerful attributes:

“God replied, I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things” (7:157).

Therefore, True Islam recognize that ultimately, God’s mercy will encompass all human beings, regardless of their faith. Indeed, True Islam teaches that if mercy were not one of the attributes of God, no one would be delivered.

Therefore, True Islam rejects any type of a monopoly on salvation. One that you seem to be preaching, no?

Your argument is that non muslims may attain salvation, through their deeds...? hmm, i will invalidate this whole argument in a few verses of the Quran:


لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّـهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۖ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيحُ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اعْبُدُوا اللَّـهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُ مَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّـهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ الْجَنَّةَ وَمَأْوَاهُ النَّارُ ۖ وَمَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ مِنْ أَنصَارٍ

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (5.72)

وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الْإِسْلَامِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ

And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. (3.85)

وَقَدِمْنَا إِلَىٰ مَا عَمِلُوا مِنْ عَمَلٍ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ هَبَاءً مَّنثُورًا

And We will regard what they have done of deeds and make them as dust dispersed. (25.23)

وَالَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا وَلِقَاءِ الْآخِرَةِ حَبِطَتْ أَعْمَالُهُمْ ۚ هَلْ يُجْزَوْنَ إِلَّا مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ

Those who denied Our signs and the meeting of the Hereafter - their deeds have become worthless. Are they recompensed except for what they used to do? (7.147)

Now...

Where's your logic on the argument that non-Muslims may attain paradise through their deeds, when it is in fact the opposite. How could a person attain paradise (through their deeds) when their deeds were not even accepted during their lifetime? How about you go and read your own book (assuming you claim to be a Muslim) and then come and try to justify an argument using the Quran. 

Now i am not denying the grace and mercy of Allah the Glorified, He may (forgive) anyone he wishes, but the key word here is forgive, forgive their sins, their misdeeds, their oppression to the truth etc. They will not attain paradise like the believers will, through their deeds, rather they may be granted paradise through the mercy of Allah, but your whole argument is that they'd attain paradise as though they were on the right path in their lifetimes... That is simply not the case, now you may go ahead and say that there are christians, jews who believe in the true form of christianity and judaism, hmm... lets assume there is, but after the revelation of the final true form of the religion of Allah, Islam, it is obligatory upon every single one to follow it, and that truly happened in the time of the Prophet [saas] and the Holy Imam [as], christians for example whom were on the right path of Christianity, were waiting for Prophet Muhammad [saas] as soon as they found Him they followed Him and became Muslim (like the example of the man who met Imam Ali [as] near siffin).

14 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

urely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians—whichever party from among these truly believes in God and the Last Day and does good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve” (2:63).

This verse demonstrates that it is not just Muslims who will receive the rewards of their good deeds. Jews, and Christians, and Sabians those who are of non-Abrahamic religions will all be rewarded for their good deeds and their faith. Indeed, it is impossible for Muslims to declare a monopoly on salvation when the Holy Quran clearly states that those of other religions who do good deeds will have no fear.

I don't know if you are deliberately leaving out things or are you simply blind. (whichever party from among these truly believes in God and the Last Day) No doubt!! That the ones from the abrahamic religions whom followed the true teachings of that religion were (are?) on the true path, but this does not fit for the modern christians and jews, because that version of christianity and judaism is corrupted! As mentioned above in the Quranic verses these kinds of peoples deeds will not be accepted.

14 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

True Islam recognizes that the right to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell is one that is exclusive to God. Human beings Muslims or otherwise cannot make this decision. Likewise, the Holy Quran states,

No doubt Allah is Maalik'i youm' A'deen. He is the King of the day of resurrection, He decides who is going to Hell and who is not, but it is extremely ignorant of you to leave out verses in the Quran where Allah states whom shall attain paradise and whom shall be thrown into hell. Read the Quran.

 

14 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

Therefore, True Islam recognize that ultimately, God’s mercy will encompass all human beings, regardless of their faith. Indeed, True Islam teaches that if mercy were not one of the attributes of God, no one would be delivered.

Therefore, True Islam rejects any type of a monopoly on salvation. One that you seem to be preaching, no?

I am not preaching anything that contradicts the Quran or Ahlulbayt, therefore it is the truth.

I am sorry but your whole argument is undoubtedly invalidated, try again later. 

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ال عمران 25

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا نَصِيبًا مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ يُدْعَوْنَ إِلَىٰ كِتَابِ اللَّـهِ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ يَتَوَلَّىٰ فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمْ وَهُم مُّعْرِضُونَ ﴿٢٣ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا لَن تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلَّا أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ ۖ وَغَرَّهُمْ فِي دِينِهِم مَّا كَانُوا يَفْتَرُونَ ﴿٢٤ فَكَيْفَ إِذَا جَمَعْنَاهُمْ لِيَوْمٍ لَّا رَيْبَ فِيهِ وَوُفِّيَتْ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ 

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

سورة البقرة 81

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَـٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللَّـهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا ۖ فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ ﴿٧٩ وَقَالُوا لَن تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلَّا أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَةً ۚ قُلْ أَتَّخَذْتُمْ عِندَ اللَّـهِ عَهْدًا فَلَن يُخْلِفَ اللَّـهُ عَهْدَهُ ۖ أَمْ تَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٨٠ بَلَىٰ مَن كَسَبَ سَيِّئَةً وَأَحَاطَتْ بِهِ خَطِيئَتُهُ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

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The "Eternal" is only applicable to Allah alone as the God the eternal being. Everything else will come to it's end. Should be like that.

I believe it is mentioned somewhere in the Qur'an. 

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42 minutes ago, iwonder said:

The "Eternal" is only applicable to Allah alone as the God the eternal being. Everything else will come to it's end. Should be like that.

I believe it is mentioned somewhere in the Qur'an. 

He is The Eternal without beginning and end, And He have always existed. We other hand are created and have not always existed, but Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى give us existence in these both places, and for both of them Allah said: khaalideena feehaaa abadaa, which means that they will stay there forever, but we will not be called Eternal beings, because we were created and have beginning.

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15 hours ago, Dhulfikar said:

He is The Eternal without beginning and end, And He have always existed. We other hand are created and have not always existed, but Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى give us existence in these both places, and for both of them Allah said: khaalideena feehaaa abadaa, which means that they will stay there forever, but we will not be called Eternal beings, because we were created and have beginning.

The existence of hell and heaven for the future is tied up with the existence of the Universe, wither it is the current universe or the next new universe. If the Universe has fixed period- so too heaven and hell.

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"The day it arrives, no soul shall speak except by His leave: of those (gathered) some will be wretched and some will be blessed". (11:105)

"Those who are wretched shall be in the Fire: There will be for them therein (nothing but) the heaving of sighs and sobs" (11:106)

"abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except what your Lord should will. Indeed, your Lord is an effecter of what He intends". (11:107)

"And as for those who were [destined to be] prosperous, they will be in Paradise, abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except what your Lord should will - a bestowal uninterrupted". (11:108)

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"And as for those who were [destined to be] prosperous, they will be in Paradise, abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except what your Lord should will - a bestowal uninterrupted". (11:108)

A bestowal uninterrupted. I hope you don't make an conclusion based only to those verses and not include other verses too, where it clearly state heaven and hell is forever. This is from Tafsir al Kathir:


(They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure,) Imam Abu Ja`far bin Jarir said, "It was from the customs of the Arabs that when they wanted to describe something that would last forever, they would say, `This is as enduring as the heavens and the earth.' Or, `It will last as until the night and day separate.' They would say, `As long as talkers at night continue to chat.' They meant by these statements the condition of eternity. Therefore, Allah addressed them in a manner that they were familiar with among themselves. Thus, He said,

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On 8/4/2017 at 4:59 AM, Abu Nur said:

A bestowal uninterrupted. I hope you don't make an conclusion based only to those verses and not include other verses too, where it clearly state heaven and hell is forever. This is from Tafsir al Kathir:


(They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure,) Imam Abu Ja`far bin Jarir said, "It was from the customs of the Arabs that when they wanted to describe something that would last forever, they would say, `This is as enduring as the heavens and the earth.' Or, `It will last as until the night and day separate.' They would say, `As long as talkers at night continue to chat.' They meant by these statements the condition of eternity. Therefore, Allah addressed them in a manner that they were familiar with among themselves. Thus, He said,

Bismillahi Irrahman Irrahiim

Assalamu aleikum dear 

"They meant by these statements the condition of eternity."

Is this part of the hadith? All those mentioned in hadith are conditions of time for something that is for somehting fixed but beyond our grasp of time. I mean sky and earth are not everlasting, so the is time peried beyond our crasp that how long they will be and when they will be separated. As long as the talkers is not even beyond our grasp. Its even shorter period of time that has limits. I ask, is that part of the hadith when you say "condition of eternity"? 

What do you guys think?

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Matthew 19:24 (ESV)
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”


Those that cry lies to Our signs and wax proud against them the gates of heaven shall not be opened to them, nor shall they enter Paradise until the camel passes through the eye of the needle. Even so We recompense the sinners;
Quraani 7:40

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