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How do you refute Trinity?

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How do you refute the Doctorine of Trinity? How do you persuade someone following trinity that their religion is not right...

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by using WF of course..........

try reading up on the Proof of the veracious or the kalam argument which has been updated by Shayk Taqiuddin Nabhani.

Once you have established God as being necessary to have bought the rest of the world into existence you can conclude that he has no partners, does not incarnate etc.. just a brief summary, read the proofs inshallah

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3 hours ago, King-Ali said:

How do you refute the Doctorine of Trinity? How do you persuade someone following trinity that their religion is not right...

Easy.

Tell them to read their own Gospels and keep track of who says what.

Matthew, Mark, Luke: Gospels say, Satan says, 'son of god'.

Now the two exception points are Matthew's 'Last Suppuer' and one Chr!stian telling has Peter speaking the Words of the Devil -which is why Jesus-a.s. calls Peter a "satan"; OR in another telling, Jesus-a.s. sees the shaytan behind Peter suggesting things and tells the satan assigned to Peter to "get behind me, Satan". None of this occurs in Mark or Luke.

The other exception is the opening of the "Secret Book of Mark" which has two(3?) verses removed to make the "Book of Mark". 

The Book of John is seminarily a "problem" because it mixes in the Words of the Devil quite often into the text. So John contradicts itself within chapters and also across chapters.

The other, holy spook/ghost, ask them what it is.

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3 hours ago, King-Ali said:

How do you refute the Doctorine of Trinity? How do you persuade someone following trinity that their religion is not right...

By helping them analyze the concept of Trinity, the basis of it. Jesus inheriting power from God who has infinite power. Question them with that.

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7 hours ago, UndercoverBrother said:

by using WF of course..........

try reading up on the Proof of the veracious or the kalam argument which has been updated by Shayk Taqiuddin Nabhani.

Once you have established God as being necessary to have bought the rest of the world into existence you can conclude that he has no partners, does not incarnate etc.. just a brief summary, read the proofs inshallah

Anyone who has had at least a glimmer of understanding of Burhan As-Sidiqeen would not dare argue against the Christian Doctrine of Trinity. 

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5 hours ago, AfricanShia said:

By helping them analyze the concept of Trinity, the basis of it. Jesus inheriting power from God who has infinite power. Question them with that.

How did the creation (with finite existence) come about from God (Unbounded Being)?  

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The concept of trinity is not found in the Bible which Christians see as the word of God.

It is a man made concept which makes zero logical sense and they are not obligated to follow it, you can still be a Christian without believing in the concept of trinity.

 

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9 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Easy.

Tell them to read their own Gospels and keep track of who says what.

Matthew, Mark, Luke: Gospels say, Satan says, 'son of god'.

Now the two exception points are Matthew's 'Last Suppuer' and one Chr!stian telling has Peter speaking the Words of the Devil -which is why Jesus-a.s. calls Peter a "satan"; OR in another telling, Jesus-a.s. sees the shaytan behind Peter suggesting things and tells the satan assigned to Peter to "get behind me, Satan". None of this occurs in Mark or Luke.

The other exception is the opening of the "Secret Book of Mark" which has two(3?) verses removed to make the "Book of Mark". 

The Book of John is seminarily a "problem" because it mixes in the Words of the Devil quite often into the text. So John contradicts itself within chapters and also across chapters.

The other, holy spook/ghost, ask them what it is.

You don't have to make stuff up. One fallacy does not disprove another.

If you ask a Christian about a holy spook they are likely to tell you to walk away.

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5 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

How did the creation (with finite existence) come about from God (Unbounded Being)?  

And wouldn't they reply with a:
"Anything is possible if it's God. If he wills he can do anything and can even come in human flesh."

... perhaps?

Edited by King-Ali

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5 hours ago, IbnSina said:

The concept of trinity is not found in the Bible which Christians see as the word of God.

It is a man made concept which makes zero logical sense and they are not obligated to follow it, you can still be a Christian without believing in the concept of trinity.

 

 

Salam

The way Christianity works is not necessarily the same way that Islam works.  We should be careful not to make false comparisons.  Although an apple and an orange are both fruits and are both sweet, one cannot compare the two and say one that one is citrus and the other isn't and is therefore deficient.  This is the fallacy Muslims frequently make when attempting to assess or compare Christianity with Islam (and the converse is also true for Christians comparing their religion with Islam).  So, a point in case, the Bible doesn't hold the same status for Christians as the Quran does for Muslims.  The Quran is the Word of God made book, while as in Christianity the Word of God is Jesus himself (not the Bible).  So, it is fine if something as fundamental (or what "appears" to be fundamental) as the Doctrine of the Trinity isn't mentioned in the Bible (at least explicitly).  Secondly, Jesus (in Christianity) didn't come prima facie to teach an intellectual doctrine like we find in Islam with the Shahada and with the Chapter on Tawhid (i.e. Surat al-Ikhlas).  That job was or is left (if at all, or if needed) for the Church Fathers or in the inheritors of the message of Jesus Christ.    

As I have already alluded to above the Doctrine of the Trinity is not that necessary.  Jospeh Lumbard explains this pretty well.  And I will just let him finish the point.

And God knows best (Wallahu Alam).  

Ethereal

Edited by eThErEaL

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1 hour ago, King-Ali said:

And wouldn't they reply with a:
"Anything is possible if it's God. If he wills he can do anything and can even come in human flesh."

... perhaps?

This is a question for Muslims.  How did our creation (our world) come from God?

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8 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

 

Salam

The way Christianity works is not necessarily the same way that Islam works.  We should be careful not to make false comparisons.  Although an apple and an orange are both fruits and are both sweet, one cannot compare the two and say one that one is citrus and the other isn't and is therefore deficient.  This is the fallacy Muslims frequently make when attempting to assess or compare Christianity with Islam (and the converse is also true for Christians comparing their religion with Islam).  So, a point in case, the Bible doesn't hold the same status for Christians as the Quran does for Muslims.  The Quran is the Word of God made book, while as in Christianity the Word of God is Jesus himself (not the Bible).  So, it is fine if something as fundamental (or what "appears" to be fundamental) as the Doctrine of the Trinity isn't mentioned in the Bible (at least explicitly).  Secondly, Jesus (in Christianity) didn't come prima facie to teach an intellectual doctrine like we find in Islam with the Shahada and with the Chapter on Tawhid (i.e. Surat al-Ikhlas).  That job was or is left (if at all, or if needed) for the Church Fathers or in the inheritors of the message of Jesus Christ.    

As I have already alluded to above the Doctrine of the Trinity is not that necessary.  Jospeh Lumbard explains this pretty well.  And I will just let him finish the point.

And God knows best (Wallahu Alam).  

Ethereal

Ws,

How does one within the doctrines of christianity know what is from God and what is from men?

And if it is from men, on whos authority do you make is obligatory to follow?

Is the concept of trinity something that came after the time of prophet Jesus? Who did it come from?

Why do christians call the Bible "the holy Bible" if it is like you say? Then it is not holy.

Edited by IbnSina

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14 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

You don't have to make stuff up. One fallacy does not disprove another.

If you ask a Christian about a holy spook they are likely to tell you to walk away.

What is "made up" ?

Why did you avoid "Satan says" ?

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