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2 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

What does this sentence mean to you "However, when one cannot ascertain whether the fluid emitted from one's body is semen, urine or something else, it will be treated as semen if it is thrown out with lust and if the body is slackened."

It's referring to ejaculation

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1 hour ago, IbnMariam said:

thrown out with lust

 

1 hour ago, IbnMariam said:

plus it's clear that "if the body is slackened" is referring to the instant urge to fall asleep that typically follows

Thrown out with lust doesn't mean ejaculation, or else Sistani would have used the word 'ejaculation'. Looking at women with lustful thoughts can be considered as 'thrown out with lust'.

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1 hour ago, Hassan- said:

 

Thrown out with lust doesn't mean ejaculation, or else Sistani would have used the word 'ejaculation'. Looking at women with lustful thoughts can be considered as 'thrown out with lust'.

Bro it's ejaculation. Do you know how to read Arabic? I always understood this, way before this conversation. When you read the Arabic it becomes pretty clear. The English can often leave room for misinterpretation.

the liquid being "thrown out" as in it gushed or spurt forth is one of the signs, the second is if it was with lust, i.e sex, masterbation (though haram) are examples. And 3rd is slackened but sometimes you see weak like with imam Khamenei's fatwa, just because it depends on translation. 

Q 176: When is a discharge from a male considered to be semen?

A: When it is accompanied by sexual excitement, weakness of the body and ejaculation, it is subject to the rule of semen.

so as you can see they translated to weakness of the body but if you read the Arabic there is usually no room for confusion. Also as you can see imam Khamenei's translation uses ejaculation to describe "gushing forth" see. so unless you have all these signs you can't say it is semen unless you know it's semen. Get it, brother Hassan.

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5 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

Bro it's ejaculation. Do you know how to read Arabic? I always understood this, way before this conversation. When you read the Arabic it becomes pretty clear. The English can often leave room for misinterpretation.

the liquid being "thrown out" as in it gushed or spurt forth is one of the signs, the second is if it was with lust, i.e sex, masterbation (though haram) are examples. And 3rd is slackened but sometimes you see weak like with imam Khamenei's fatwa, just because it depends on translation. 

Q 176: When is a discharge from a male considered to be semen?

A: When it is accompanied by sexual excitement, weakness of the body and ejaculation, it is subject to the rule of semen.

so as you can see they translated to weakness of the body but if you read the Arabic there is usually no room for confusion. Also as you can see imam Khamenei's translation uses ejaculation to describe "gushing forth" see. so unless you have all these signs you can't say it is semen unless you know it's semen. Get it, brother Hassan.

I thought madhi was only the discharge from foreplay and nothing else, I guess it's not. You're right about reading the fatwas in English, they can be very misleading and inaccurate. I should start reading them in Arabic.

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