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Sunni/Shia Debate-Mohammed Hijab vs Sayyid Haamid

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What kind of salafi logic does Hijab have? This video has confirmed his arrogance.

Watched 40 minutes of it and all he was saying was "where in quran are 12 Imams mentioned?"

The Shia destroyed Hjab. I am not saying this out of bias, but because Hijab actually had no argument for any of the questions.

 

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I am astounded by these sunnis...

Haven't they read their books, in sahih muslim it states that there are 12 leaders after Prophet Muhammad saas... 

They want proof from the Quran for imamah, has it not yet been proven many times...?

Is it not time to go read the second half of thaqalayn, the ahlulbayt (hadith...)

I seriously get a headache every time i listen to these people...

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3 hours ago, Hassan- said:

This video is funny, it just shows the hypocrisy of hijab and the Sunnis 

 

Lol. He tried his best to avoid answering the question asked but ultimately he had to confess that there is no verse which proves the Sunni Caliphate. On the contrary it was an innovation in religion that the ummah elected their own leaders.

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This debate is truly hilarious. Br. Hijab is an experienced debater who should know (and have some respect) while debating others. I think that Br. Hijab gets angry too easily and starts interrupting/smirking/laughing to try and get respect from his own audience. It's very sad to see this -- I wish the Sunni community had a much more well-respected figure to debate with than this joke. 

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^He was correct. Imamah and 'Adalah are part of Usool al-Madhhab whereas the other three are part of Usool al-Deen.

Followers of Ahl al-Beit believe in all five, whereas those that only follow the top three, are simply Muslim. According to Sayed Imam al-Khoei.

This thread is also informative about this: 

 

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M. HIjab tries to act too smart when he tries to refute the narration where the Prophet said, "Ali is my Caliph". He said, this menas Ali is the Prophet's leader ie leading him.

Using this same infantile logic, I guess RasoolAllah means the Prophet is Allah's Messenger ie. the Prophet delivers message to Allah.

I say the Prophet is my Rasool; Allah says the Prophet is His rasool. I guess Allah and I have the same prophet then.

Go figure #SunniLogic

 

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On 18/07/2017 at 4:16 AM, shiaman14 said:

So Hijab says that the Shias and Sunnis agree that there should be a Caliph after the Prophet. Hijab also did not answer the simple question that from Adam to Muhammad - Allah has always selected a caliph and not given that responsibility to anyone. In order to escape the debate, Hijab (like all salafis) says that he will believe in Ali and the other 11 Imams if there names are listed in the Quran.

Simple answer is that the name of the Imams are listed under the ayah that clearly states we should pray 2,4,4,3,4 rakat for wajib salah and 17 total. When Hijab finds 17 rakat in the Quran, I will provide 12 names of Imams as well.

The Quran is a reference guide. 4.59 tells us to obey Allah, the Prophet and those in authority. This authority can only come from Allah and the Syed Hameed definitely proved that.

Hijab's point about being a Wali is moot because 5.55 clearly states who the Wali are.

One thing I will say is that usual shia debaters are always on the defensive when we should be on the offensive. As an example, this sunni challenged me to debate the shia belief in tahreef in the Quran. After I pointed out to him how Umar, Uthman and Aisha believed in tahreef, he responded that this discussion was on shia belief and not sunni belief. So I created a thread on Sunni beleif in tahreef. His response, "I am too busy to discuss this subject now". Problem solved.

The question should never be why shias believe in Imams. The question is why do Sunnis believe in Caliphs!

Hijab's point about being a Wali is moot because 5.55 clearly states who the Wali are.

But, brother, he could rebut saying that the verse clearly says that believers are also Wali:

[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.

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They believe ALL sahaba are rightful,but the verse in the Quran disproves them.

"And among those around you of the bedouins(Muhajireen) are hypocrites, and [also] from the people of Madinah(Ansar). They have become accustomed to hypocrisy. You, [O Muhammad], do not know them, [but] We know them. We will punish them twice [in this world]; then they will be returned to a great punishment." [Quran 9:101] 

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7 hours ago, naqviimran said:

Hijab's point about being a Wali is moot because 5.55 clearly states who the Wali are.

But, brother, he could rebut saying that the verse clearly says that believers are also Wali:

[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.

point well made. but the ayah does not state all believers. It is very specific to the type of believer.

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:salam:

MachaAllah at the brother Sayed Hamid.

He just spoke, IMO, what I, every sunni should hear before being brainwashed by their tons of contradictory ahadith. I am not saying ours are not full of fallacies, but at least the common ground of both shia and sunni is Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå and Imam Ali. 

I guess from there any muslim is bound to become a shia of Imam Ali.

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What was the point about Nahjul Balagha which MH brought forth which would "destroy" our arguments? He didn't state which khutba of Amir Al-Mu'minin it was. I would like to look it up.

I mean the question which they keep on asking is pretty dumb. "Show me where in the Quran there are mention of 12 imams". "Why does Allah make it difficult for us, couldn't he just show it in the Quran about the 12 imams".

Show me where in the Quran there are mention of 5 prayers. Seriously, why do these people to themselves.  Isn;t there a hadith which states:

صـلـّوا كـمـا رأيـتـمـونـي أصـلـّي

Then it's the same for Imamah. 

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16 hours ago, 145_turbo_16V said:

What was the point about Nahjul Balagha which MH brought forth which would "destroy" our arguments? He didn't state which khutba of Amir Al-Mu'minin it was. I would like to look it up.

I mean the question which they keep on asking is pretty dumb. "Show me where in the Quran there are mention of 12 imams". "Why does Allah make it difficult for us, couldn't he just show it in the Quran about the 12 imams".

Show me where in the Quran there are mention of 5 prayers. Seriously, why do these people to themselves.  Isn;t there a hadith which states:

صـلـّوا كـمـا رأيـتـمـونـي أصـلـّي

Then it's the same for Imamah. 

MH was refering to Imam Ali (as) letter to Muawiya where they were arguing about the legitimacy of Imam Ali's caliphate. Imam Ali said something along the lines of if people and Muawiya accepted the caliphate of Caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, then there is no reason to reject Imam Ali's caliphate. Imam Ali turned Muawiya's argument him (in a much more eloquent manner than me). That is what MH was refering to.

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On ‎7‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 4:34 AM, naqviimran said:

Hijab's point about being a Wali is moot because 5.55 clearly states who the Wali are.

But, brother, he could rebut saying that the verse clearly says that believers are also Wali:

[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.

No one pays poor rate while bowing during prayer.

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There are no Sunni and Shia sects in Islam. 

41:33 And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."

وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ قَوْلًا مِّمَّن دَعَا إِلَى اللَّهِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَقَالَ إِنَّنِي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ

6:159 Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only

to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ 


3:103 And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ

The word 'Muslim' is used in the Quran to describe all those who submit and surrender to the will of the One Lord who created the heavens and the earth and is the Master of the Day of Judgment.

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On 7/17/2017 at 5:27 PM, AliMohammed said:

I am astounded by these sunnis...

Haven't they read their books, in sahih muslim it states that there are 12 leaders after Prophet Muhammad saas... 

They want proof from the Quran for imamah, has it not yet been proven many times...?

Is it not time to go read the second half of thaqalayn, the ahlulbayt (hadith...)

I seriously get a headache every time i listen to these people...

The only book a Muslim needs to read is the Qur'an.

 

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On 7/17/2017 at 6:46 PM, shiaman14 said:

Simple answer is that the name of the Imams are listed under the ayah that clearly states we should pray 2,4,4,3,4 rakat for wajib salah and 17 total. When Hijab finds 17 rakat in the Quran, I will provide 12 names of Imams as well.

I would have asked him do you pay zakat? could you show me quran how much zakat do we need to pay? This guy doesn't understand quran. or we should ask him do you believe that there is 127,000 messengers could show me their names in quran? 

 

Someone please bring niqab for hijab. 

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On 7/17/2017 at 7:18 PM, ali_fatheroforphans said:

What kind of salafi logic does Hijab have? This video has confirmed his arrogance.

Watched 40 minutes of it and all he was saying was "where in quran are 12 Imams mentioned?"

The Shia destroyed Hjab. I am not saying this out of bias, but because Hijab actually had no argument for any of the questions.

 

I watch first 10 mins and i knew that haamid is going to destroy him. 

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18 minutes ago, iavswn said:

The only book a Muslim needs to read is the Qur'an.

 

But they do need someone who could explain it. Quran doesn't explain in detail. for instance Quran says pay zakat but how much? Someone needs to tell us that right?

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