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Brother I spend 15 mints watching him, though i usually don't waste my time listening to such jokers and hypocrites. But I don't get the point why do people listen to such characters :-/. I mean how can you misguide yourself by relying on words of ignorant person. Don't listen to them. Remember that the way we pray and do our duas are the methods taught to us by of Imams (A.S). Our scholars spend ages in finding reliable sources and then out of no where such jokers comes to criticize. When they object against SHIAS teaching they are not actually talking against follower of AHLUL BAYTH (A.S). In fact they are talking against the teachings of AHLUL BAYTH (A.S).

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On 7/13/2017 at 9:33 PM, Syed Irtiza Ali Rizvi said:

Brother I spend 15 mints watching him, though i usually don't waste my time listening to such jokers and hypocrites. But I don't get the point why do people listens to such characters :-/. I mean how can you misguide yourself by relying on words of ignorant person. Don't listen to them. Remember that the way we pray and do our duas are the method taught to us by of Imams (A.S). Our scholars spend ages in finding reliable sources and then out of no where such jokers comes to criticize. When they object against SHIAS teaching they are not actually talking against follower of AHLUL BAYTH (A.S). In fact they are talking against the teachings of AHLUL BAYTH (A.S).

well how is he false, ii dont get it, what points are false, why is he a joker, dont we say ya ali madad and stuff like that

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1 minute ago, sidnaq said:

well how is he false, ii dont get it, what points are false, why is he a joker, dont we say ya ali madad and stuff like that

Even majority Suni says YA ALI MADAD.  As far as I observed He wasn't even representing actual Suni's concepts. He was representing Saudi's concepts.

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Salam alaikom

I have watched way too many of these videos, it's all garbage. The Sunnis seem to have a mental breakdown whenever you bring up topics with them, they will just change the topic. I know you previously created topics on how you were feeling doubts because of watching Sunni scholars. Can I pm you some links?

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3 minutes ago, Beyond said:

Sidnaq, if your not happy with shia islam you should convert to sunni islam it seems it'll make you happier,

maybe it will also free you from all these doubts your having.

That's a bad advice brother. Why not ask her to research thoroughly and find correct path for herself. So many people becoming shias everyday is no joke. 

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1 hour ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Don't watch videos of these people whose have no knowledge and wisdom. They are not scholars or anything. 

Key point. Theyre not even scholars, why bother. Do you want a scholarly discussion? I can link you a 5 hour long debate.

But thats sooo boring Muhammad Hijab lies for 30 minutes + has a sick nasheed intro, so I'll just become a mindless slave of Sunni propaganda....

I really would recommend staying away from this. If you have doubts, make a thread about soecific doubts and Inshallah Ta'ala knowledgeable brothers and sisters can answer!

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48 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

That's a bad advice brother. Why not ask her to research thoroughly and find correct path for herself. So many people becoming shias everyday is no joke. 

Salam,

She has made a lot of threads of the same thing and each one has numerous replies, its not helping her.

I'm sure she has researched a lot too.

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@Mansur Bakhtiari I agree man

Also just to add:

Imam Jafar al Sadiq (as) said:

"Men of knowledge are ruined by eight things: greed and miserliness, showing off and partisanship, love of praise, delving into things whose reality they cannot reach, affectation by taking excessive pains to beautify their speech with superfluous expressions, lack of modesty before Allah, boastfulness, and not acting upon what they know."

I feel a lot of Youtubers who have limited knowledge do fit in this category. They all read one or two introductory books of hadith and feel they have the whole ummah behind their back. I don't like these egoistic people who are acting like vicegerents of Allah. Like calm down and keep your knowledge to yourself. Even the ones like Ali Dawah are getting carried away with their aggressive dawah.

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48 minutes ago, Beyond said:

Salam,

She has made a lot of threads of the same thing and each one has numerous replies, its not helping her.

I'm sure she has researched a lot too.

Alaikas Salaam,

I know about her threads. Probably, the sister listens to sunni speakers and anti-majoos videos and get influenced by them. Advising her to becoming sunni will definitely land her into one of the 72 sects destined for hell.

We have lot of examples of Sunnis coming to Shia Islam while the opposite cases are almost fake like in the OP video.

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5 hours ago, sidnaq said:

not for weak faithed people please

@sidnaq.

I think you need thoroughly research the Shia view of Tawheed. You will without doubt will come to know what ever this video says is lie. Yes some ignorant Shia hold deviant belief but they doesn't rerepresent sShia Islam. 

Shia do not believe in divinity of Ali or Imams. 

Asking help from other than Allah is shrik even from imams according to Shia scholars  (This point needs to be uunderstood.But in a particular manner you can ask that won't compromise Tawheed. Even for that matter we can't ask even from our brother or friend any help )

Regarding theimams having of extraordinary knowledge and knowledge of unseen is not against quran. But the nature and manner of this knowledge too demand to explained. 

There is well known saying of Prophet Puh and imams 

"My pride is nothingness "

May be this will solve your problem. 

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1 hour ago, Beyond said:

Salam,

She has made a lot of threads of the same thing and each one has numerous replies, its not helping her.

I'm sure she has researched a lot too.

She is partially right. Because many misconceptions exists in common shia muslims. Even I too had view on Imams that was equivalent shrik. But after reading and listening the lectures of imam Khomeini ra and Ayatollah Mohhamad Husain Tabatabie  and others I realised the little bit real Tawheed. So with keeping what great Shia mujatahids view above Tawheed clearly indicates that above video is all lie. 

But unfortunately some ignorant common Shia believes as mentioned in above video. And that needs to be addressed. 

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On 7/14/2017 at 0:36 AM, Beyond said:

Sidnaq, if your not happy with shia islam you should convert to sunni islam it seems it'll make you happier,

maybe it will also free you from all these doubts your having.

She doesn't have a problem with Shia doctrines or anything. Sidnaq only likes the Sunni speakers because of their choice of topics. She likes how they motivate her, as they talk about simple topics such as salah, forgiveness etc

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5 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

These people who make such videos and spread falsehood need to be careful. Allah has no mercy for those who spread falsehood. These people are misleading so many people on the Internet. All of them will need to answer Allah on the day of judgment 

They will ruin their akhira for talking out of ignorance and creating division.

Don't watch videos of these people whose have no knowledge and wisdom. They are not scholars or anything. 

Mr.Her question and concern is walid. I know many of us has poor understanding of Tawheed. 

Or we can't properly convey the real understanding even if we know. So the solution doesn't lie in running away but clearing the doubts and misunderstandings or ignorance. 

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His words " We love & respect the Ahlul Bayt (a.s), We call our shia brothers & sisters to come & listen to us our views about the Ahlul Bayt"

Lets examine their views:

1. Who was on truth in the Story related to Fadak? Abu Bakr or Fatima (s.a).

They say, Abu Bakr.

2. Their views about Battle of Jamal & Siffin.

All of the major participants (i.e., Aisha & Ali a.s in battle of Jamal, Ali a.s and Muwaiya Laeen in battle of Siffin) are respectable for them. This equals to mixing the Truth with Falsehood, an intentional or unintentional refusal & rejection of verse 2: 42. One more example is the view that Ummahat ul Momineen are involved in the purified one of 33:33

3. Their rejection of the Wilayat of Amir ul Momineen (a.s). 

 And many more..... Whom you are showing this video @sidnaq? Are you so impressed with their ideology?
 

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His words at 7:53-55 min: "To do everything Allah has ordered us to do & to stay away from everything Allah has commanded us to stay away":

Agreed, now lets see the words of Allah (s.w.t) mentioned in verse 5:55

"Only Allah is your Vali and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow."

Why they have chosen Abu Bakr as their Vali?

Lets move ahead and see another command of God as mentioned in 4:59:

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you"

Again the same question. Why they have chosen Abu Bakr as Ulul Amr?

Lets move ahead and see another command of God as mentioned in 13:39

"And those who disbelieve say: You are not a messenger. Say: Allah is sufficient as a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the book"

Why they do every effort to remove the name of Ali (a.s) while doing the tafseer of this verse? They say the words "wa man endahu ilmul kitab" are for Abdullah bin Salam and not for Imam Ali (a.s). Is this their love for Ahlul Bayt? Don't they know that Prophet (pbuh) himself declared Imam Ali (a.s) as the gate of the city of knowledge? Don't they know that neither Abu Bakr nor Umar nor Uthman and nor Abdullah bin Salam said "Salooni, Salooni" (ask me, ask me) in their whole life?
 

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1 hour ago, Salsabeel said:

His words " We love & respect the Ahlul Bayt (a.s), We call our shia brothers & sisters to come & listen to us our views about the Ahlul Bayt"

Lets examine their views:

1. Who was on truth in the Story related to Fadak? Abu Bakr or Fatima (s.a).

They say, Abu Bakr.

2. Their views about Battle of Jamal & Siffin.

All of the major participants (i.e., Aisha & Ali a.s in battle of Jamal, Ali a.s and Muwaiya Laeen in battle of Siffin) are respectable for them. This equals to mixing the Truth with Falsehood, an intentional or unintentional refusal & rejection of verse 2: 42. One more example is the view that Ummahat ul Momineen are involved in the purified one of 33:33

3. Their rejection of the Wilayat of Amir ul Momineen (a.s). 

 And many more..... Whom you are showing this video @sidnaq? Are you so impressed with their ideology?
 

im saying if their arguments are true,

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3 hours ago, islam25 said:

Mr.Her question and concern is walid. I know many of us has poor understanding of Tawheed. 

Or we can't properly convey the real understanding even if we know. So the solution doesn't lie in running away but clearing the doubts and misunderstandings or ignorance. 

jazakAllah brother,

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7 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

That's a bad advice brother. Why not ask her to research thoroughly and find correct path for herself. So many people becoming shias everyday is no joke. 

i cannot convert, this is my research, i dont want convert into something im not sure about, and one of the reasons to check out anti majoos is to only see what they are saying, how much of it is true, do such concepts exist in our books or no.the thing is im not trying to misguide anybody, i trying reading al islam books but except a few the rest are boring, or not interesting for me to motivate myself in deen.so i look towards sunni scholars at times, and try to see islam from their point of view. they certainly cover more topics, what am i supposed to do.and when people tell me to research the deen, wheredo i start from from sunni and shia side i can only gain knowledge as i can from the internet,i have read the shia arguments, and now i am looking into sunni ones. i am not saying the sunnis are incredbile and i can only gt motivation from them, many times i cant listen t them because my heart doesnt allow me to, except for these anti majoos vids which is weird. but yeah , i am i jsut, i dont know. i am sorry though if i dont have a cvlear grasp on things. i just want to follow the tight path.

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On 7/14/2017 at 8:25 AM, sidnaq said:

jazakAllah brother,

Before  uploading such video you should properly go through the understanding of Tawheed and you will come to know there allegation is wrong. 

But it true many common masses utter statement that give give wrong information and needs corrected. 

Now regarding Shia saying of ya Ali madad. 

It is not only Shia but majority sunni except salafi too say ya Ali madad or ya sheikh Abdul qadir Geelani or ya Mohhamad. 

Are the common muslim in India and Pakistan  even ask help from awlias. 

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On 7/13/2017 at 10:06 PM, sidnaq said:

i dont see it, they dont say that...

You haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. 

And of course sunni islam is crazy islam. Haven't you heard Dr. Zakir Naik??? Look at the extremist groups they have. They don't know anything about islam. I have seen many sunnis converted into shia I could make some videos with them. The video you posted is a regular youtube mess it doesn't mean anything. If this guy went nuts and converted into sunni islam so what? if you are going with numbers than you should become christian. Numbers don't represent anything its logic. And if you listen to sunni scholars they sound like idiots. 

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On 7/14/2017 at 8:53 AM, islam25 said:

Now regarding Shia saying of ya Ali madad. 

(salam)

Even your own sunni scholars believe in Tawassul. http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/tawassul/en/index.php

most wahabbis would tell you the shia commit shirk when they say Ya Ali Madad, which is a common misconception.

Two things which distinguishes Tawassul i.e "Ya Ali Madad" / Ya Hussain ('nearness' or a 'means' through which to reach a certain goal) and Shirk should be noted here. First, we do not believe that the Prophet and Imams have any independent power from Allah.

Second, Allah is the one who assigned the intermediate.

The idol worshipers used a wrong intermediate, thats why it was condemned. They believed that the idols can cause harm or render a benefit.

Muslims are monotheists and they know that only Allah can cause harm or render a benefit. But calling the Prophet and Imams with the understanding that they could only be an intermediary to Allah, is not polytheism. ALL Muslims agreed on this point from the time of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) up to the present day, except Wahhabis. They contradict all Muslims with their new creed and accused Muslims of blasphemy; they never let any body touch the blessed grave of Prophet (PBUH&HF).

Saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention of the person who says it. If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or Holy Prophet (saws) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the right and proper thing to do.

The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:

"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah)"

Quran tells us that there exists a means of approaching "al-Wasilah" for us in each era, which is different than Allah and we should seek him if we want to approach toward Allah.

In fact, both Tawassul and Wasilah are from the same root. When we make Tawassul, it means that we seek the Mercy of Allah by resorting to a connection who was more obedient toward Allah and, as a result, Allah answers his/her prayers faster than us. Allah may forgive us for the credit and the honor of that man/woman. It is true every where that doing a job (specially if it is asking for a big courtesy) without any connection is difficult or might be impossible. Approving such a courtesy needs credit, and the one without it should resort to the one who has the credit and the connection. This credit has been acquired by absolute obedience of Allah. Nonetheless, approving any intercession still depends on Allah:

"Who can intercedes with Him except the cases that He permits?"

(Quran 2:255)

"They (i.e., prophets and Imams) do not say anything until He orders, and they act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them and what is behind them and they (i.e., those saints) offer no intercession except for anyone whom Allah accepts, and they are in awe and reverence of His (glory)." (Quran 21:27-28)

As you see there are exceptions. Some specific people can intercede with Allah by His permission. But this is not granted to every people.

Here are some Sunni reports regarding this. The first reference is on the Tawassul of Ibn

Abbas r.a to Imam Ali a.s Please note that Ibn Abbas spoke the following words after the martyrdom of Imam Ali. Thus he did ask for intermediary of what you called a dead person.

"When the death time of Abdullah Ibn Abbas ra.gif approached, he said:

`O Allah! I seek to approach toward you by means of Wilayah (accepting the mastery) of Ali Ibn Abi Talib.'" Sunni references:

- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p662, Tradition #1129

- al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, v3, p167

- Manaqib Ahmad

 

As for resorting to alive, al-Bukhari reported that Umar used make Tawassul to al-Abbas for rain:

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.59

Narrated Anas:

Whenever there was drought, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to ask Allah for rain through Al-'Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib, saying, "O Allah! We used to request our Prophet to ask You for rain, and You would give us. Now we request the uncle of our Prophet to ask You for rain, so give us rain." And they would be given rain."

Some people claim that asking for help to other than Allah is polytheism. Such people should never go to doctor when they become sick because this is polytheism (shirk)! Their going to doctor is a type of seeking help from a specialist even though they do not utter by their tongue that they are getting help from the doctor. Acting shirk is enough.

Also they should not ask any question from anyone or request anything from any one because all these are shirk. Furthermore, they shouldn't eat any food because they should not help themselves by any other than God!

If we get help from any body, we do it with the understanding that he by his own can not help us. He can not benefit us unless Allah wishes to. If one calls Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) or Imam Ali as.gif for help, he is, in fact, calling Allah for help through intermediary of the Prophet or the Imams, and he does that with the understanding that the Prophet or the Imams doe not have any independent power, but rather what they have (which many others lack) is that they have CREDIT in front of Allah and that Allah does not put down their requests if they pray to Allah on my behalf.

Imam Ali and all the martyrs are alive as Quran clearly testifies, though they are not on the earth. So please do not treat them as dead. Allah states in Quran:

Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead. Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

(Quran 3:169)

In fact all of our Imams except Imam Mahdi were martyred either by sword or by poison. Moreover, there are quite strong proofs in both Shia and Sunni that the Prophet himself was also poisoned by a Jew

"Ali is absent today from our midst only physically. His soul even to this day is the greatest spiritual resort to everyone who seeks the help of God through his medium. Thousands and thousands of people call out to him in their difficulties, and the word "Ya Ali Madad", automatically comes to them. A famous prayer known as "NADEY ALI" (Call Ali) is recited wherever abound the lovers of Ali." - Majlisi

Naadey Ali! Nade Ali!

Naadey Aliyyan

Mazharal Ajayeb

Tajidahu Aunun Laka Finnwaeb

Kullu Hamin wa Gamin Sayanjali

Bi Wilayatika

Ya Ali! Ya Ali! Ya Ali!

Call Ali! Call Ali!

Call aloud to Ali

Who is the epiphanic source of wonders

You shall surely find him helping in your troubles

All grief and anxiety will disappear

By Your power and Authority!

O Ali! O Ali! O Ali!

Hazrat Ali was never defeated in a war or a combat throughout his life. His physical strength was beyond human comprehension. He removed from the hinges the strong doors of the Khyber fort with a single jolt of his hand. Later, seven strong men with Abu Ra'fe', the famous strongman, could not lift even an inch from the ground one of the corners of the door. When asked about his wonderful display of strength, in removing the doors, Hazrat Ali replied that it was his divine power." (Sayyidul Ausiya, p. 65)

"Ali, Son of Abu Talib, Son-in-Law and first cousin of Prophet

Mohammad (Peace be upon him), father of Imam Hasan and the greatest Martyr Imam Husain, the Lion of God, Gateway of Knowledge, the mightiest of mighty; does not need an introduction, He was at the same time master of the Pen and Sword -- a rare combination. Even today in the battle fields the Cry of "Ya Ali !" resounds, invoking his help. Sportsmen, Wrestlers and Athletes, taking part in manly games, chant the Slogan of "Ya Ali !" for their victory. On the other hand, the pious devoted entirely to the service of God, almost all of them trace the spiritual lineage from Ali and believe him to be the Fountain Head of all Knowledge." - S.M.A. Rizvi

"Here the garrison came out in great force, and on that day every

attack made by the Muslims was repulsed. "Tomorrow," said the Prophet, "will I give the standard unto a man whom God and His messenger love. God will give us the victory by his hands; he is not one who turneth back in flight."

"Ali was one of the most courageous and able men in the Muslim

army. He was appointed the standard-bearer at the battles of both Badr and Khaybar. At Khaybar (A.H. 7) the following tradition is related by several Sunni and Shi'i histories. This is the version found in a Sunni collection of Traditions, the Sahih of Muslim

'The Apostle of God said on the day of Khaybar: "I shall certainly give this banner to a man who loves God and His Apostle and through whom God will give victory." Umar ibn al- Khattab said: "I never wished for a leadership except on that day." And he also said: "And so I leapt up towards it hoping to claim it as a right." And the Apostle of God summoned Ali, the son of Abu Talib, and gave it to him and said "Go! And do not turn aside until God gives you victory."

Muhammad(sws) said to Ali: " You are to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that after me there shall be no other Prophet." The implication was that Ali was to be Muhammad's chief assistant in his lifetime and his successor after him.

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "He who wants to see Noah as.gif in his determination, Adam a.s in his knowledge, Abraham a.s in his clemency, Moses a.s in his intelligence and Jesus a.s in his religious devotion should look at Ali

Ibn Abi Talib a.s."

 

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Bayhaqi

- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, as quoted in

- Sharh Ibn Abi al-Hadid, v2, p449

- Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhruddin al-Razi, under the commentary of the

Verse of Impreciation (Mubilah), v2 p288. He wrote this tradition

has been accpeted as all genuine.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Verily, Ali and I are inseparable, and he is the master (wali) of every believer after me."

Sunni Refernces:

Al Tirmidhi, in his Sahih, ii, 297,

Muslim in his Sahih (Matba`at Bulaq, 1290), "Kitab fada'il al Sahabah," through three chains;

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The Prophet (pbuh&hp) while returning from his last pilgrimage stopped the entire caravan at Ghadeer Khumm and made the announcement:

"Of whomever I am his master (mawla), Ali also is his master (mawla)."

 

Sunni References:al Hakim in Mustadrak ala al Sahihayn vol. iii, pp. 109110; Al Tirmidhi in his Sahih (Bulaq, 1292), ii, 298;

Sunni validity of tawassul : Imam Malik:

The Abbasid caliph, Mansur al-Dawaniqi, once asked Imam Malik ibn Anas whether he should turn towards the grave of the Prophet (s) or face the Qiblah for supplication? Malik answered him:

Why do you want to turn away from the Prophet (s) when he (Prophet Muhammad (s)) is the wasilah (means) for you and for your father Adam, towards Allah on the Day of Resurrection. Turn to him (the Prophet) and seek his intercession (shafa'at). [Taken from Al-Mughni ma' al-Sharh, vol. 3, p. 588; al-Sharh al-Kabir ma' al-Mughni, vol. 3, p. 494; al-Qadi `Iyad in al-Shifa

(2:92-93)

Imam Hambal:

Imam of Ahl’ul Sunnah `Ala' al-Din al-Mardawi said in his book al-Insaf fi ma`rifat al-rajih min al-khilaf `ala madhhab al-Imam al-mubajjal Ahmad ibn Hanbal (3:456):

“The correct position of the [Hanbali] madhhab is that it is permissible in one's supplication (du`a) to use as means a pious person, and it is said that it is desirable (mustahabb).

 

Imam Shafii:

The Family of the Prophet are my means and my intermediary to him. Through them I hope to be given my record with the right hand tomorrow”.

Ibn Hajr Haytami, in Al-Sawa`iq al-muhriqa li ahl al-dalal wa al-zandaqa (eg page 180) AND in al-Khayrat al-hisan (p. 69) This has also been found in Diwan al-Shafi`i as edited by `Umar Faruq al-Dabbagh (Beirut: Dar al-arqam, n.d ) p. 50.

 

Imam Ghazali

Imam of Ahl’ul Sunnah Abdul Hamid Ghazzali allotted a special section in his book Ihya' 'Ulum al-Din concerning the manners

of pilgrimage to the shrine of the Prophet (s) in order to repent and seek forgiveness from Allah. He stated:

The Prophet should be made the means (wasilah) and the intercessor (shafi'), and with face turned towards the tomb, the pilgrim should implore Allah for the sake and position of the Prophet with the words: "O Allah, indeed You have said, Had they, who had wronged themselves, come to you and asked Allah's forgiveness and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them, they would have certainly found Allah

Most-Propitious, Most-Merciful (Holy Qur'an 4:64);

O Allah, surely we have heard Your words and we obey Your command, by coming to Your Prophet to seek his intercession with You for our sins; how burdensome and heavy (are sins) on our backs! We repent of slipperiness, we confess our wrongs and our faults, accept our repentance for his sake, make Your Prophet intercessor for us, and exalt us for the sake of his position and his rights with You."

Hadith of Rasool (both in Shia and Sunni books both) is:

Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa pbuh. said:

"Anna madinatul ilm wa Aliun babuha"

- "I am the city of knowledge and Ali is the gate."

Points to be made:

1. Those are not coming through the gate, they cannot enter the city of knowledge.

2. The Gate is the closest to the city, there is no gap between the gate and the city, therefore there is no one caliph between Rasool and between Ali - "khalifatahu bila fasl".

3. Those who try and enter the city without entering the gate, its trespassing and also illegal (and cannot be done).

4. If there was no Ali, there would be no gate. How would you then enter the city?

Think about it...

Saying "Ya Muhammad madad" is a great way for tawassul- and so also is saying YA ALI MADAD- The Prophet's pbuh important role and position in islam is widely accepted.

However, one of the reasons we stress on Ya Ali Madad is that abu Bakr, umar & uthman had disobeyed the Holy Prophet pbuh by denying Imam Ali his rightful position. Cursing Imam Ali a.s was an order from the beginning of Muawiyah's reign for 65 years. It was Umar Ibn Abdil Aziz who canceled this order after more than half a century. Some historians even believe that the Umayyah descendants themselves killed (poisoned) Umar Ibn Abdil Aziz, because he changed their Sunnah, one of which was cursing Ali.

So when we say YA Ali Madad, in no way do we belittle the Prophet pbuh. In fact, we are acting according to Holy Prophet's pbuh commands.

 

I am quoting from Ayatullah Seestani (May Allah Protect him and Preserve him)

The propriety of saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention of the person who says it.

 

If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or Prophet (pbuh) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of

Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the right and proper thing to do.

But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares with Allah the right to create, sustain and protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.

 

The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:

"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah).................."

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I would like to end this rather long post with a verse from the Quran :

If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.

Salihul muminin, "the (most) righteous among the believers" refers to Imam Ali according to Tafsir Durr al Manthur by Jalal al Din al Suyuti, Tafsir al Husayni, Kamaluddin Husayn Kashifi and Hayat ul Awliya.

So in the light of above ayah and hadith what would you say if you call Hadrat Ali a.s to help you??

 

Ya Ali madad??!!

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I dislike this practice of showing off converts to one's religious denomination as a way of arguing that you're correct. You'll find sunnis who become shia, atheists who become muslims, muslims who become atheists, and hundreds of other types of conversions between countless religious worldviews. A conversion doesn't prove anything and should not serve as a booster of one's confidence in a religion. 

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On 7/14/2017 at 10:01 AM, Ron_Burgundy said:

(salam)

Even your own sunni scholars believe in Tawassul. http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/tawassul/en/index.php

most wahabbis would tell you the shia commit shirk when they say Ya Ali Madad, which is a common misconception.

Two things which distinguishes Tawassul i.e "Ya Ali Madad" / Ya Hussain ('nearness' or a 'means' through which to reach a certain goal) and Shirk should be noted here. First, we do not believe that the Prophet and Imams have any independent power from Allah.

Second, Allah is the one who assigned the intermediate.

The idol worshipers used a wrong intermediate, thats why it was condemned. They believed that the idols can cause harm or render a benefit.

Muslims are monotheists and they know that only Allah can cause harm or render a benefit. But calling the Prophet and Imams with the understanding that they could only be an intermediary to Allah, is not polytheism. ALL Muslims agreed on this point from the time of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) up to the present day, except Wahhabis. They contradict all Muslims with their new creed and accused Muslims of blasphemy; they never let any body touch the blessed grave of Prophet (PBUH&HF).

Saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention of the person who says it. If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or Holy Prophet (saws) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the right and proper thing to do.

The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:

"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah)"

Quran tells us that there exists a means of approaching "al-Wasilah" for us in each era, which is different than Allah and we should seek him if we want to approach toward Allah.

In fact, both Tawassul and Wasilah are from the same root. When we make Tawassul, it means that we seek the Mercy of Allah by resorting to a connection who was more obedient toward Allah and, as a result, Allah answers his/her prayers faster than us. Allah may forgive us for the credit and the honor of that man/woman. It is true every where that doing a job (specially if it is asking for a big courtesy) without any connection is difficult or might be impossible. Approving such a courtesy needs credit, and the one without it should resort to the one who has the credit and the connection. This credit has been acquired by absolute obedience of Allah. Nonetheless, approving any intercession still depends on Allah:

"Who can intercedes with Him except the cases that He permits?"

(Quran 2:255)

"They (i.e., prophets and Imams) do not say anything until He orders, and they act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them and what is behind them and they (i.e., those saints) offer no intercession except for anyone whom Allah accepts, and they are in awe and reverence of His (glory)." (Quran 21:27-28)

As you see there are exceptions. Some specific people can intercede with Allah by His permission. But this is not granted to every people.

Here are some Sunni reports regarding this. The first reference is on the Tawassul of Ibn

Abbas r.a to Imam Ali a.s Please note that Ibn Abbas spoke the following words after the martyrdom of Imam Ali. Thus he did ask for intermediary of what you called a dead person.

"When the death time of Abdullah Ibn Abbas ra.gif approached, he said:

`O Allah! I seek to approach toward you by means of Wilayah (accepting the mastery) of Ali Ibn Abi Talib.'" Sunni references:

- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p662, Tradition #1129

- al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, v3, p167

- Manaqib Ahmad

 

As for resorting to alive, al-Bukhari reported that Umar used make Tawassul to al-Abbas for rain:

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.59

Narrated Anas:

Whenever there was drought, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to ask Allah for rain through Al-'Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib, saying, "O Allah! We used to request our Prophet to ask You for rain, and You would give us. Now we request the uncle of our Prophet to ask You for rain, so give us rain." And they would be given rain."

Some people claim that asking for help to other than Allah is polytheism. Such people should never go to doctor when they become sick because this is polytheism (shirk)! Their going to doctor is a type of seeking help from a specialist even though they do not utter by their tongue that they are getting help from the doctor. Acting shirk is enough.

Also they should not ask any question from anyone or request anything from any one because all these are shirk. Furthermore, they shouldn't eat any food because they should not help themselves by any other than God!

If we get help from any body, we do it with the understanding that he by his own can not help us. He can not benefit us unless Allah wishes to. If one calls Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) or Imam Ali as.gif for help, he is, in fact, calling Allah for help through intermediary of the Prophet or the Imams, and he does that with the understanding that the Prophet or the Imams doe not have any independent power, but rather what they have (which many others lack) is that they have CREDIT in front of Allah and that Allah does not put down their requests if they pray to Allah on my behalf.

Imam Ali and all the martyrs are alive as Quran clearly testifies, though they are not on the earth. So please do not treat them as dead. Allah states in Quran:

Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead. Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

(Quran 3:169)

In fact all of our Imams except Imam Mahdi were martyred either by sword or by poison. Moreover, there are quite strong proofs in both Shia and Sunni that the Prophet himself was also poisoned by a Jew

"Ali is absent today from our midst only physically. His soul even to this day is the greatest spiritual resort to everyone who seeks the help of God through his medium. Thousands and thousands of people call out to him in their difficulties, and the word "Ya Ali Madad", automatically comes to them. A famous prayer known as "NADEY ALI" (Call Ali) is recited wherever abound the lovers of Ali." - Majlisi

Naadey Ali! Nade Ali!

Naadey Aliyyan

Mazharal Ajayeb

Tajidahu Aunun Laka Finnwaeb

Kullu Hamin wa Gamin Sayanjali

Bi Wilayatika

Ya Ali! Ya Ali! Ya Ali!

Call Ali! Call Ali!

Call aloud to Ali

Who is the epiphanic source of wonders

You shall surely find him helping in your troubles

All grief and anxiety will disappear

By Your power and Authority!

O Ali! O Ali! O Ali!

Hazrat Ali was never defeated in a war or a combat throughout his life. His physical strength was beyond human comprehension. He removed from the hinges the strong doors of the Khyber fort with a single jolt of his hand. Later, seven strong men with Abu Ra'fe', the famous strongman, could not lift even an inch from the ground one of the corners of the door. When asked about his wonderful display of strength, in removing the doors, Hazrat Ali replied that it was his divine power." (Sayyidul Ausiya, p. 65)

"Ali, Son of Abu Talib, Son-in-Law and first cousin of Prophet

Mohammad (Peace be upon him), father of Imam Hasan and the greatest Martyr Imam Husain, the Lion of God, Gateway of Knowledge, the mightiest of mighty; does not need an introduction, He was at the same time master of the Pen and Sword -- a rare combination. Even today in the battle fields the Cry of "Ya Ali !" resounds, invoking his help. Sportsmen, Wrestlers and Athletes, taking part in manly games, chant the Slogan of "Ya Ali !" for their victory. On the other hand, the pious devoted entirely to the service of God, almost all of them trace the spiritual lineage from Ali and believe him to be the Fountain Head of all Knowledge." - S.M.A. Rizvi

"Here the garrison came out in great force, and on that day every

attack made by the Muslims was repulsed. "Tomorrow," said the Prophet, "will I give the standard unto a man whom God and His messenger love. God will give us the victory by his hands; he is not one who turneth back in flight."

"Ali was one of the most courageous and able men in the Muslim

army. He was appointed the standard-bearer at the battles of both Badr and Khaybar. At Khaybar (A.H. 7) the following tradition is related by several Sunni and Shi'i histories. This is the version found in a Sunni collection of Traditions, the Sahih of Muslim

'The Apostle of God said on the day of Khaybar: "I shall certainly give this banner to a man who loves God and His Apostle and through whom God will give victory." Umar ibn al- Khattab said: "I never wished for a leadership except on that day." And he also said: "And so I leapt up towards it hoping to claim it as a right." And the Apostle of God summoned Ali, the son of Abu Talib, and gave it to him and said "Go! And do not turn aside until God gives you victory."

Muhammad(sws) said to Ali: " You are to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that after me there shall be no other Prophet." The implication was that Ali was to be Muhammad's chief assistant in his lifetime and his successor after him.

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "He who wants to see Noah as.gif in his determination, Adam a.s in his knowledge, Abraham a.s in his clemency, Moses a.s in his intelligence and Jesus a.s in his religious devotion should look at Ali

Ibn Abi Talib a.s."

 

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Bayhaqi

- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, as quoted in

- Sharh Ibn Abi al-Hadid, v2, p449

- Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhruddin al-Razi, under the commentary of the

Verse of Impreciation (Mubilah), v2 p288. He wrote this tradition

has been accpeted as all genuine.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Verily, Ali and I are inseparable, and he is the master (wali) of every believer after me."

Sunni Refernces:

Al Tirmidhi, in his Sahih, ii, 297,

Muslim in his Sahih (Matba`at Bulaq, 1290), "Kitab fada'il al Sahabah," through three chains;

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The Prophet (pbuh&hp) while returning from his last pilgrimage stopped the entire caravan at Ghadeer Khumm and made the announcement:

"Of whomever I am his master (mawla), Ali also is his master (mawla)."

 

Sunni References:al Hakim in Mustadrak ala al Sahihayn vol. iii, pp. 109110; Al Tirmidhi in his Sahih (Bulaq, 1292), ii, 298;

Sunni validity of tawassul : Imam Malik:

The Abbasid caliph, Mansur al-Dawaniqi, once asked Imam Malik ibn Anas whether he should turn towards the grave of the Prophet (s) or face the Qiblah for supplication? Malik answered him:

Why do you want to turn away from the Prophet (s) when he (Prophet Muhammad (s)) is the wasilah (means) for you and for your father Adam, towards Allah on the Day of Resurrection. Turn to him (the Prophet) and seek his intercession (shafa'at). [Taken from Al-Mughni ma' al-Sharh, vol. 3, p. 588; al-Sharh al-Kabir ma' al-Mughni, vol. 3, p. 494; al-Qadi `Iyad in al-Shifa

(2:92-93)

Imam Hambal:

Imam of Ahl’ul Sunnah `Ala' al-Din al-Mardawi said in his book al-Insaf fi ma`rifat al-rajih min al-khilaf `ala madhhab al-Imam al-mubajjal Ahmad ibn Hanbal (3:456):

“The correct position of the [Hanbali] madhhab is that it is permissible in one's supplication (du`a) to use as means a pious person, and it is said that it is desirable (mustahabb).

 

Imam Shafii:

The Family of the Prophet are my means and my intermediary to him. Through them I hope to be given my record with the right hand tomorrow”.

Ibn Hajr Haytami, in Al-Sawa`iq al-muhriqa li ahl al-dalal wa al-zandaqa (eg page 180) AND in al-Khayrat al-hisan (p. 69) This has also been found in Diwan al-Shafi`i as edited by `Umar Faruq al-Dabbagh (Beirut: Dar al-arqam, n.d ) p. 50.

 

Imam Ghazali

Imam of Ahl’ul Sunnah Abdul Hamid Ghazzali allotted a special section in his book Ihya' 'Ulum al-Din concerning the manners

of pilgrimage to the shrine of the Prophet (s) in order to repent and seek forgiveness from Allah. He stated:

The Prophet should be made the means (wasilah) and the intercessor (shafi'), and with face turned towards the tomb, the pilgrim should implore Allah for the sake and position of the Prophet with the words: "O Allah, indeed You have said, Had they, who had wronged themselves, come to you and asked Allah's forgiveness and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them, they would have certainly found Allah

Most-Propitious, Most-Merciful (Holy Qur'an 4:64);

O Allah, surely we have heard Your words and we obey Your command, by coming to Your Prophet to seek his intercession with You for our sins; how burdensome and heavy (are sins) on our backs! We repent of slipperiness, we confess our wrongs and our faults, accept our repentance for his sake, make Your Prophet intercessor for us, and exalt us for the sake of his position and his rights with You."

Hadith of Rasool (both in Shia and Sunni books both) is:

Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa pbuh. said:

"Anna madinatul ilm wa Aliun babuha"

- "I am the city of knowledge and Ali is the gate."

Points to be made:

1. Those are not coming through the gate, they cannot enter the city of knowledge.

2. The Gate is the closest to the city, there is no gap between the gate and the city, therefore there is no one caliph between Rasool and between Ali - "khalifatahu bila fasl".

3. Those who try and enter the city without entering the gate, its trespassing and also illegal (and cannot be done).

4. If there was no Ali, there would be no gate. How would you then enter the city?

Think about it...

Saying "Ya Muhammad madad" is a great way for tawassul- and so also is saying YA ALI MADAD- The Prophet's pbuh important role and position in islam is widely accepted.

However, one of the reasons we stress on Ya Ali Madad is that abu Bakr, umar & uthman had disobeyed the Holy Prophet pbuh by denying Imam Ali his rightful position. Cursing Imam Ali a.s was an order from the beginning of Muawiyah's reign for 65 years. It was Umar Ibn Abdil Aziz who canceled this order after more than half a century. Some historians even believe that the Umayyah descendants themselves killed (poisoned) Umar Ibn Abdil Aziz, because he changed their Sunnah, one of which was cursing Ali.

So when we say YA Ali Madad, in no way do we belittle the Prophet pbuh. In fact, we are acting according to Holy Prophet's pbuh commands.

 

I am quoting from Ayatullah Seestani (May Allah Protect him and Preserve him)

The propriety of saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention of the person who says it.

 

If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or Prophet (pbuh) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of

Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the right and proper thing to do.

But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares with Allah the right to create, sustain and protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.

 

The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:

"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah).................."

----------------------------

I would like to end this rather long post with a verse from the Quran :

If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.

Salihul muminin, "the (most) righteous among the believers" refers to Imam Ali according to Tafsir Durr al Manthur by Jalal al Din al Suyuti, Tafsir al Husayni, Kamaluddin Husayn Kashifi and Hayat ul Awliya.

So in the light of above ayah and hadith what would you say if you call Hadrat Ali a.s to help you??

 

Ya Ali madad??!!

Salam sir.

You misunderstood me. I never said ya Ali madad is shrik. 

Yes we should little be little change in manner in it. It is point where we forget Allah and belive Ali to be independent helper. 

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On 7/13/2017 at 10:06 PM, sidnaq said:

i dont see it, they dont say that...

Sister may Allah open your eyes. You dont have better things to do than spending time on YouTube. Saying ya Ali Madad is not a Shia thing. Please do me a favour and attend a majlis of Sunni and you will hear them say ya Ali. And they also recite nade Ali. Don't believe me? Go ask them and you will find out. 

Please work on your Imaan. It is taking you nowhere. But into the online world only. Get out of your house and see the real world for yourself. You get easily fooled by fake ex Muslim testimonies so please don't get surprised when you get fooled by ex Shia testimonies too. May Allah guide you and me 

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