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DigitalUmmah

Worlds first gay shia khoja nikah (yes nikah)

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Br. Khalil Jaafar gave a good speech about this subject. I will see if I can find it. 

He said there are two types of Kafir, the fiqi kafir and the aklaqi kafir

The fiqi kafir is the one who rejects the Shahadatayn (No God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of God). The aklaqi kafir is the one who rejects any part of the Message of Islam which is clear (such as the prohibition against homosexual acts which is very clear). The aklaqi kafir may in fact be a kafir in reality, but we cannot say they are kafir in terms of fiqh and this is in Islam to preserve the social order and peace and stability in the community. 

But if someone openly rejects the sharia or parts of the sharia and it gets to the point where they are doing haram openly (as is the case with this 'couple'), the are fasiq. There are many provisions with dealing with fasiqeen, which basically, for all practical purposes, isolate them from the rest of the community (the cannot marry into the community, there testimony is not accepted, others in the community should avoid doing business with them because they are not considered trustworthy, etc). So probably what would happen is that they would leave the muslim community and go be with their kind, the kufar, LGBTQ..(not sure how many letters it is now, lol) and they could continue to claim to be muslim, but would have no connection to the muslim community in reality.

This is the extent of our responsibility as muslims living in a non muslim country and having to deal with situations like this, which will probably become more and more frequent as we reach near the time of the Zuhoor and Faraj. May Allah(s.w.a) hasten the return of Al Qaim(a.f.s), inShahAllah. 

 

Edited by Abu Hadi

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@Abu Hadi

Actually, someone who denies revelations of the Prophet without a Shar'i excuse is a fiqhi kafir - so yes, he is a non-Muslim. You can return to the books of the fuqaha on this one. I will give you an example here:

ومما ذكرناه يظهر أن الحكم بكفر منكر الضروري عند استلزامه لتكذيب النبي (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) لا تختص بالأحكام الضرورية ، لأن انكار أي حكم في الشريعة المقدسة إذا كان طريقاً إلى إنكار النبوة أو غيرها من الاُمور المعتبرة في تحقق الاسلام على وجه الموضوعية فلا محالة يقتضي الحكم بكفر منكره وارتداده .

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/?id=508

Edited by E.L King

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Peace be on you,

Is there anything we can do to reach out to this brother and his family to help him come back into the fold of Islam?  Of course it is absolutely imperative and right to forbid what Allah SWT has advised against for our own success and safety.  But at the end of this there is now still a very lost and confused and now isolated brother out there.  Could we help and support him in anyway with his struggle?  Maybe we could fund a ziyarat trip for him to Kerbala so he can seek help from Allah SWT and the intercession of the Ahlulbayt (as) - obviously IF that's something he wants to do because he really wishes to find a way out of this lifestyle.  I would be happy to contribute.

I'm just worried that without a community he is now going to get even more involved with the other man that he 'married' and the gay community who will readily welcome him with open arms (they will see him as a martyr and turn him into a poster boy as a victim of 'intolerance') and he'll just get surrounded with even more misguidance and get deeper and deeper into the lifestyle.

The ziyarat of Imam Hussain (as) has helped me so much with similar issues that I had.  Allah SWT always shows us a way out if we turn to Him completely and really devote ourselves to Him.  This isn't about praying to God but carrying on with sinning and expecting to wake up the next day without these desires.  It really is about complete surrender to Allah SWT like Nabi Ibrahim (as) and Imam Hussain (s) - they both showed us that as long as you are on the path of truth - nothing else matters, nothing.  What's the worst worst thing that can happen?  You remain celibate and die alone?...well even Abu Dharr died alone.  Even Imam Hussain (as) was alone at one point.  But in that loneliness he must have been at complete bliss knowing that he was enveloped with the love of His Creator.  And if you have that, then not even death (which is just a transition) can cause fear.

It takes time and patience though.  Sometimes we expect Allah SWT to work on our timescales when, in actual fact, He knows best when and how He's going to pull you out of this mess.  If Allah SWT does not change a person's condition until they start taking steps to change their own condition then we need to help this brother (if he's willing to accept) to start making changes to his life.

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On 7/16/2017 at 5:12 AM, Abu Hadi said:

There are two reactions in this case which would be wrong and would set the community in backward directions. 

1) Ignoring this altogether

2) Acting against these people outside the bounds of the religion, i.e. doing a violent act against them. We are Shia, we are not Daish, we do not deal with things in that way. 

We should give the same message in unison. This is not a marriage or an 'Islamic marriage' or anything like that and those people are not spouses according to Islam. What they are are fasiqeen (those who commit sins openly and do not repent). And they should be recognized as such and regarded by the community as such. While we, followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) don't do takfir, so we can't say they are not muslims(in the fiqh definition), they are openly disregarding the religion, i.e. they are fasiq. So the community should deal with them as such(all the rules regarding dealing with fasiq apply to them). If any of their family members or members of the community support them and consider them to be spouses, then whoever supports fusuqh (open disregard of the religion) is also fasiq. Any of their family members that don't support them in this act, they are to be considered members of the community in good standing. 

And the other point is that they are doing nothing new or innovative. There have been many fasiqeen throughout the history of Islam, one of the most infamous being Yazid ibn Muawiyah(la) who used to drink wine publicly. You cannot be a supporter of Imam Husain(a.s) and the killer of Imam Husain(a.s) at the same time. A human only has one kalb(spiritual heart). 

And I send my sincerest dua to the mumineen and muminat in the community of Canada to get thru this fitna and imtihaan with their community and their faith intact, and the curse of Allah(s.w.a) is upon the kufar and munafiqeen. 

Salaam brother,

I agree with both your points above. However, I also think that we should keep this contained within the Shia community (SC or local mosques, etc.) and not get into a media battle. LGBT are around 3-5% of any large community but they seem to get 30-50% of the press. The Guardian has already picked up this story about how the mother was forced to resign and if we make a big deal about it, we may be in a full-fledged war against the media on this issue. This is one battle that no matter what side a person is on, the LGBT community wins because they are 'victims' (sarcasm). They want and crave this type of attention. What we don't need is LGBT members holding protests outside our mosques and imambargahs. It will only highlight their perverse ways.

Note to you and @E.L King - let's not get into semantics of whether they are kafir or fasiq. What they are is wrong and an abomination.

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On 7/11/2017 at 6:38 PM, DigitalUmmah said:

theres three questions that i would like to ask at this juncture:

(1) are we meant to be supportive and friendly towards the gays because of sayed sistanis recent quote about the homos?

(2) are we allowed to change sharia because its fashionable?

(3) how are we, as shia, meant to deal with this absurdity? we are not salafi that we are going to form a lynch mob and go kill anyone, but what should be our response now that the whole world is watching to see how we react? stay silent? denounce? support?

Siddika Jessa committed Haram act should be avoided now in the Shia Ithna Asheri communities.
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14th July, 2017 Toronto, Canada

Undersigned member of Toronto Jamat, would like to ask WF, Nasimco, AF and allindividual Jamaats to pass strong and permanent resolution in regards of Haram acts whether in public or private life such as consuming Alcohol, Gay Marriage/Same sex marriage and associating with such people to maintain Shia Islamic organization.

The shameful act that Secretary of NASIMCO – Siddika Jessa and her family particularly her son Aliraza Jessa Marrying his counterpart men in public, was not only shocking but it is suicidal and destruction for the Khoja Shia Ithna Asheri or Shia Ithna Asheri Bodies/organizations and Jamaats all that are religious organizations and their members are fully religious following the Islamic rule and laws.

Siddika Jessa’s participation in her son’s same sex marriage, immoral and Haram act proves that she supports such acts and believes in such act as Secretary of NASIMCO. Alcohol consuming and homosexuality is now becoming very normal in the society. Such act is very dangerous for new generation in our community who are been bombarded by the public media and governmental authorities to ruin and destroy the generation by new laws that is against the Holy Quran and the Bible. And now we witness not only member of Shia Ithna Asheri community but also executive member encouraging others new generation in such dirty acts.

To help our generation and every member of the said bodies or organization to avoid Haram act that is spreading like Tsunami in our society; if we do not stop such Haram acts in our society “now” the organization will be ruined as the generation of Prophet Lut a.s. was ruined. This matter should be not taken easy. All Shia Ithna Asheri religious individuals, members Shia Jamats should raise their voice before the community is ruined as the community of Prophet Lut a.s. Our society cannot be modern and liberal by breaking the Shia Ithna Asheri rules.

Therefore The World Federation, NASIMCO, COEJ, Indian Fedration, Pakistan Federation and all affiliated Organizations and Jamaats have to first take immediate action, to condemn such act on organizational and community level and to revoke the membership permanently without return of the whole family of Siddika Jessa who organized and supported the Haram act that is completely against Islam and Mazhab of Khoja Shia Ithna Asheri Jamaats. And all individuals or families believing or performing such act should be isolated from the gatherings of the above organizations and Jamaats.

1. NASIMCO should open case on the Secretary of Nasimco- Siddika Jessa who went against Islam in the public court, as she broke the rules and image of Nasimco the religious organization that is fully build on Islamic ruling, Holy Quran, Hadith and the teaching of Ahlul Bayt a.s.; while in the office of Shia Ithna Asheri Islamic organization NASIMCO. Sakina Jessa while in the office as Secretary of Shia Islamic Organization NASIMCO has to justify her unislamic acts in the public court and should pay ransom in cash or material for damaging the image of Nasimco and Khoja Shia Ithna Asheri Jamats at large all over the world.

2. To declare former Siddika Jessa and her family members and all Khoja Shia community members who supported such acts as non Muslims. And the whole Jessa family should be isolated from the community gatherings organized by WF, NASIMCO, AF or affiliated bodies or Jamaats.

3. In further of the above resolution, Membership to the Khoja Shia Ithna Asheri Jamaat or Shia Ithna Asheri Jamat affiliated with WF and NASIMCO COEJ or community should not be accepted or approved to any member who acts or believes in Haram act as Same sex marriage or Gay, or lesbianism and any Haram acts that is against Islam-Holy Quran, Hadith and the Teachings of Ahlul Bayt a.s.

4. Any committee member of Religious Bodies WF, NASIMCO, COEJ, AF, or any other affiliated bodies as well as all the member Jamaats of the above bodies who either are gay or lesbian or who believe same sex marriage and any Haram acts should resign unconditionally from the post immediately.

5. Religious Bodies who fully follow according to the Holy Quran, Hadith, and the teachings of Ahlul Bayt a.s. should not allow any membership of people who believe in Haram acts such as alcohol and homosexuality and gay marriage etc etc should not be appointed as community leader, volunteer or executive committee member.

6. All future candidates leaders should sign agreement for the WF, NASIMCO, COEJ, AF and all other affiliate bodies or Jamaats that during the office term the committee members or volunteers will not act any Haram acts, such Alcohol consuming, homosexuality, gay marriage etc etc either in public or in private life.

7. If any committee member breaks the rules and regulations of the organization that is according to the Holy Quran, Ahadith and the teachings of Ahlul Bayt a.s. will face case in the court; as the membership will be revoked and will be isolated from the Islamic gatherings of the said Organizations or Bodies.

8. No individual who is gay, homosexual or who acts Haram acts openly or in private life will be allowed in to Masjid, Imambargahs or any other gatherings of Khoja Shia Ithna Asheri Jamaat/s.

9. Such act should be considered last in Khoja Shia Ithna Asheri or Shia Ithna Asheri community that happened and will not be entertained any changes in this ruling or resolution. This is final according to the Islam and Islamic rulings.

10. No Government or institution or organization or individual be entertained in the meeting of Islamic religious communities who does not believe and respect Islamic point of view and Islamic rulings.

Signed by
Concerned Shia Ithna Asheri community member.
Toronto, Canada.

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When you follow the wrong WF this is what can happen. Get these youth married, and encourage mutah instead of forcing marriages and making it harder for youth to get married. Also this has nothing to do with Islam, it was not an Islamic ceremony o the OP has misinformed and used a misleading title.

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Salam alaykoum all,

This thread is sad but unsurprising, we are evidently reaching the end of times. I pray that this gives us all the strength to be true representatives of Ahlulbayt (as best as humanly possible). To the men, look after your wives and honour and respect them. To the women, protect and honour your hijab and follow the hijab of sayeda Fatima aleha al Salam. May Allah give us the Strength to await our long awaited saviour Al-Mahdi AFS

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I pray that any brothers or sisters in our communities that experience attractions to the same gender hold fast to the Rope of Allah SWT and ask for the intercession of the Ahlulbayt (as) in identifying the core needs that underlie these attraction and enable them to be met in a halal way and that they keep away from haram, addictive activities that will sink them further into this addiction.  I wish we could have helped Brother Ali Raza [son of Firoz and Siddika Jessa] sooner.

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