Abu Bakr & Tranquillity (Sakinah)

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

 

إِلَّا تَنْصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِي الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا ۖ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَمْ تَرَوْهَا
[Shakir 9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see
[Pickthal 9:40] If ye help him not, still Allah helped him when those who disbelieve drove him forth, the second of two; when they two were in the cave, when he said unto his comrade: Grieve not. Lo! Allah is with us. Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance to descend upon him and supported him with hosts ye cannot see
[Yusufali 9:40] If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for Allah did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion; they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for Allah is with us": then Allah sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which ye saw not,

Why Allah has not sent "Sakinah" (Tranquility) on Abu Bakr? Why he was ignored by Allah while he was with Prophet (pbuh) in the cave & was very scared?


 

[Bukhari8k]

Sheikh Tabarsi in his famous Shia Tafseer "Majma al Bayan" writes under the ayah: "Shia have brought such arguments in order to restrict tranquility in this ayah to Prophet (saw) which I do not find appropriate enough to repeat here."

in another Shia Tafseer of Abu Al-Futuh Al-Razi "Ruh Al-Jinan (9/234): " we find: Some scholars of Tafsir stated: that the pronoun of Tranquility was for Abu Bakr, because the tranquility was never been separated from the Prophet. And others said: the fear and grief was of Abu Bakr and NOT of Prophet, because he (Abu Bakr) was dependent (in need) of tranquility."

As it was Abu Bakr who was aggrieved (in huzan) that is why prophet (saw) tried to relax him by saying "La Tahzan" Don't grieve "Inn'Allaha  ma'ana" Allah is with us... so naturally Allah's tranquility then descended down on Abu Bakr (ra) as Prophet (saw) was already relaxed and himself assured Abu Bakr that Allah was with them!

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

16 minutes ago, Bukhari8k said:

Tranquility was for Abu Bakr, because the tranquility was never been separated from the Prophet.

Lets see this argument in light of few verses:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 26:

ثُمَّ أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ وَعَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَأَنزَلَ جُنُودًا لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَعَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers.

(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 26:

إِذْ جَعَلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الْحَمِيَّةَ حَمِيَّةَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ وَعَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَأَلْزَمَهُمْ كَلِمَةَ التَّقْوَىٰ وَكَانُوا أَحَقَّ بِهَا وَأَهْلَهَا وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

When those who disbelieved harbored in their hearts (feelings of) disdain, the disdain of (the days of) ignorance, but Allah sent down His tranquillity on His Apostle and on the believers, and made them keep the word of guarding (against evil), and they were entitled to it and worthy of it; and Allah is Cognizant of all things.

(English - Shakir)

So brother, why tranquillity sent down by Allah on Prophet here if it was never seperated from prophet (pbuh)?

[power]

Lets assume tranquility was to calm Abu Bakr, so if Allah swt had not sent tranquility, the position of the Prophet could have been compromised, because Abu Bakr had feared for his life and most probably given the enemy the location where they were hiding. So therefore, Abu Bakr was a liability more than anything. 

[Bukhari8k]

5 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Lets see this argument in light of few verses:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 26:

ثُمَّ أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ وَعَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَأَنزَلَ جُنُودًا لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَعَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers.

(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 26:

إِذْ جَعَلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الْحَمِيَّةَ حَمِيَّةَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ وَعَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَأَلْزَمَهُمْ كَلِمَةَ التَّقْوَىٰ وَكَانُوا أَحَقَّ بِهَا وَأَهْلَهَا وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

When those who disbelieved harbored in their hearts (feelings of) disdain, the disdain of (the days of) ignorance, but Allah sent down His tranquillity on His Apostle and on the believers, and made them keep the word of guarding (against evil), and they were entitled to it and worthy of it; and Allah is Cognizant of all things.

(English - Shakir)

So brother, why tranquillity sent down by Allah on Prophet here if it was never seperated from prophet (pbuh)?

If you will notice then i actually shared the second view presented by Shia mufassir while explaining the ayah:

6 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

(2nd view by the author Abu Al-Futuh Al-Razi "Ruh Al-Jinan (9/234): " ...... And others said: the fear and grief was of Abu Bakr and NOT of Prophet, because he (Abu Bakr) was dependent (in need) of tranquility."

(my view) As it was Abu Bakr who was aggrieved (in huzan) that is why prophet (saw) tried to relax him by saying "La Tahzan" Don't grieve "Inn'Allaha  ma'ana" Allah is with us... so naturally Allah's tranquility then descended down on Abu Bakr (ra) as Prophet (saw) was already relaxed and himself assured Abu Bakr that Allah was with them!

 

[Bukhari8k]

5 hours ago, power said:

Lets assume tranquility was to calm Abu Bakr, so if Allah swt had not sent tranquility, the position of the Prophet could have been compromised, because Abu Bakr had feared for his life and most probably given the enemy the location where they were hiding. So therefore, Abu Bakr was a liability more than anything. 

LoL

Abu Bakr 'most probably' gave away their location to enemy... how?

Abu Bakr feared for his life ... from his collaborators? or prophet (saw)?

Definitely not the Prophet, as the Masoom Nabi (saw) uttered from his blessed mouth these beautiful words to support Abu Bakr "Do not grieve... Indeed Allah is with us".... btw seems like consolation for his companion (l'sahibhi) or his (supposed) enemy?

And then the words "Indeed Allah is with us" become part of the Holy Quran... although Allah Himself claims in Quran " Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good(Muhsinoon)".[Quran 16:128]

So was Allah with the prophet (saw) and Abu Bakr (ra) together or not?

 

5 hours ago, power said:

Lets assume tranquility was to calm Abu Bakr, so if Allah swt had not sent tranquility, the position of the Prophet could have been compromised, because Abu Bakr had feared for his life and most probably given the enemy the location where they were hiding. So therefore, Abu Bakr was a liability more than anything.  

So Allah sends down tranquility on the enemies too......! and here also, as you suggested, for protecting His beloved prophet (saw)? ... although Allah says in 48:4 Quran "It is He who sent down tranquillity into the hearts of the believers that they would increase in faith along with their [present] faith."

Edited July 8, 2017 by Bukhari8k

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

9 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

If you will notice then i actually shared the second view presented by Shia mufassir while explaining the ayah:

 

What is the worth of that 2nd view which starts with "and others said:"?

Should I quote the full text of tafaseer from different shia sources?

But lets see words from the tafseer of ibn e kathir:

"﴿فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ﴾

(Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr,"

they say it refers to Abu Bakr, who were those "they"? Why the words used in the verse not in harmony with this claim? 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Salsabeel

[Bukhari8k]

56 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

What is the worth of that 2nd view which starts with "and others said:"?

Should I quote the full text of tafaseer from different shia sources?

how about tafsir imam hasan al askari?

56 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

But lets see words from the tafseer of ibn e kathir:

"﴿فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ﴾

(Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr,"

they say it refers to Abu Bakr, who were those "they"? Why the words used in the verse not in harmony with this claim? 

 

Right after the word 'qeela' i.e. they say Imam Ibn Kathir continues to tell who they are .... "ibn Abbas and others, the pronominal refers back to Abu Bakr because tranquility was already with Messenger of Allah (saw)"

" في الأشهر وروي عن ابن عباس وغيره أن الضمير يعود على (أبي بكر) لأن الرسول صلى اللّه عليه وسلم لم تزل معه سكينة "

Habeeb ibn Abi Thabit (a major tabi’ee scholar, and a student of Ibn Abbas) said: It was revealed for Abu Bakr, as for Prophet(saw) Sakinah was already upon him. [Tafseer ibn Abi Hatim: Grading: Chain is Hasan(good)]

 

Now, having the view of a companion and a great muffassir like Abdullah Ibn Abbas (ra), and his followers and ibn kathir himself... the matter should be much more clear. Also Ibn Kathir in his tafsir did not give any other view or his own view that may contradict Ibn Abbas's view. Hence, Ibn Kathir choose to explain the ayah with the view of Ibn Abbas (ra).

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

3 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

Now, having the view of a companion and a great muffassir like Abdullah Ibn Abbas (ra), and his followers and ibn kathir himself... the matter should be much more clear. Also Ibn Kathir in his tafsir did not give any other view or his own view that may contradict Ibn Abbas's view. Hence, Ibn Kathir choose to explain the ayah with the view of Ibn Abbas (ra).

Any explanation which simply goes against the words used in Quran & the sunnat of Allah, cannot be accepted.

How ridiculous is the claim that the "Sakinah" was sent down to Abu Bakr! Lets once again see the verse to learn what zameer has been used in that verse:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 40:

إِلَّا تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِي الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَجَعَلَ كَلِمَةَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا السُّفْلَىٰ وَكَلِمَةُ اللَّهِ هِيَ الْعُلْيَا وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

See the Arabic words in bold. If you or anyone claim that Sakinah was sent on Abu Bakr, read the words right after that:

فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَ

Which Army was sent by Allah to help Abu Bakr? Right after "elaih" the zameer "ayyadahu" is there. How can you solve this problem of zameer in this whole verse?

 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Salsabeel

[power]

14 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

LoL

Abu Bakr 'most probably' gave away their location to enemy... how?

Abu Bakr feared for his life ... from his collaborators? or prophet (saw)?

Definitely not the Prophet, as the Masoom Nabi (saw) uttered from his blessed mouth these beautiful words to support Abu Bakr "Do not grieve... Indeed Allah is with us".... btw seems like consolation for his companion (l'sahibhi) or his (supposed) enemy?

And then the words "Indeed Allah is with us" become part of the Holy Quran... although Allah Himself claims in Quran " Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good(Muhsinoon)".[Quran 16:128]

So was Allah with the prophet (saw) and Abu Bakr (ra) together or not?

 

So Allah sends down tranquility on the enemies too......! and here also, as you suggested, for protecting His beloved prophet (saw)? ... although Allah says in 48:4 Quran "It is He who sent down tranquillity into the hearts of the believers that they would increase in faith along with their [present] faith."

Firstly, Surah Taubah is mostly about disbelievers, and its the only Surah that does not start with Bismillah. Now, with that said, the verse pertaining [Shakir 9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him 

What was purpose of this revelation, well the verse is self evident, Abu Bakr had no confidence in the holy Prophet and Rusalillah had to console him because Abu Bakr was causing a commotion in the cave . Hence the revelation, and more importantly, Allah swt had to intervene to calm Abu Bakr and that says a lot.  Had the Almighty had not intervened then yes their position could've of been compromised, You are missing the whole point in the ayat if Allah swt had not intervened them this scenario could had a different outcome. And their is no merit in this event   for the companion whatsoever, because Surah taubah is all about disbelievers.

[Bukhari8k]

8 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Any explanation which simply goes against the words used in Quran & the sunnat of Allah, cannot be accepted.

How ridiculous is the claim that the "Sakinah" was sent down to Abu Bakr! Lets once again see the verse to learn what zameer has been used in that verse:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 40:

إِلَّا تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِي الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَجَعَلَ كَلِمَةَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا السُّفْلَىٰ وَكَلِمَةُ اللَّهِ هِيَ الْعُلْيَا وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

See the Arabic words in bold. If you or anyone claim that Sakinah was sent on Abu Bakr, read the words right after that:

فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَ

Which Army was sent by Allah to help Abu Bakr? Right after "elaih" the zameer "ayyadahu" is there. How can you solve this problem of zameer in this whole verse?

believers are also helped by army of angels.... 

[Remember] when you said to the believers, "Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord should reinforce you with three thousand angels sent down? (Quran 3:124)

إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا

Zameer has to refer to someone/something within the discussion... i agree it is not necessary that zameer always has to refer to something right before or right next (i don't think that there is such a rule).... now what we see as relevant is the consolation to la'sahibhi, as it continue with fa'anzala which here should be the result of some previous development... that is someone was in need of tranquility and that is where we view Abu Bakr in need as he was just asked by Rasool (saw) to not grieve. Even if you don't agree with this view... you still have to acknowledge that Prophet (saw) can never flaw when he talks about Allah and cannot be wrong when he tells Abu Bakr "InnAllaha Ma'ana" "Indeed Allah is with us" (i.e. Prophet+Abu Bakr).

Edited July 9, 2017 by Bukhari8k

[Bukhari8k]

7 hours ago, power said:

Firstly, Surah Taubah is mostly about disbelievers, and its the only Surah that does not start with Bismillah. Now, with that said, the verse pertaining [Shakir 9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him 

What was purpose of this revelation, well the verse is self evident, Abu Bakr had no confidence in the holy Prophet and Rusalillah had to console him because Abu Bakr was causing a commotion in the cave . Hence the revelation, and more importantly, Allah swt had to intervene to calm Abu Bakr and that says a lot.  Had the Almighty had not intervened then yes their position could've of been compromised, You are missing the whole point in the ayat if Allah swt had not intervened them this scenario could had a different outcome. And their is no merit in this event   for the companion whatsoever, because Surah taubah is all about disbelievers.

........ well Surah Tawbah is not just all about disbelievers....... There is text about prophet (saw), about Allah loving mutaqeen, momineen etc

[Abu Nur]

Sunnis do not even agree to whom it is even send, the Prophet or Abu bakr:

This is found from Ibn Kathir tafsir:

(Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr,

Quote

in another Shia Tafseer of Abu Al-Futuh Al-Razi 

There is the answer of this here. We don't believe it is send to Abu Bark and the verse just show only Abu Bakr imaan and his cowardice. Maljisi said:

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Dhulfikar

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

7 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

believers are also helped by army of angels.... 

[Remember] when you said to the believers, "Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord should reinforce you with three thousand angels sent down? (Quran 3:124)

إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا

Hmm, helped by Allah in badr. Perhaps the earlier verse will give you the information that the help came via Prophet (pbuh):

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 123:

وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

And Allah did certainly assist you at Badr when you were weak; be careful of (your duty to) Allah then, that you may give thanks.

(English - Shakir)

And then the next verse:

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 124:

إِذْ تَقُولُ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَلَن يَكْفِيَكُمْ أَن يُمِدَّكُمْ رَبُّكُم بِثَلَاثَةِ آلَافٍ مِّنَ الْمَلَائِكَةِ مُنزَلِينَ

When you said to the believers: Does it not suffice you that your Lord should assist you with three thousand of the angels sent down?

(English - Shakir)

It was the Prophet who was mentioning the help of Allah.

Now lets see the case of 9:40

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 40:

إِلَّا تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِي الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَجَعَلَ كَلِمَةَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا السُّفْلَىٰ وَكَلِمَةُ اللَّهِ هِيَ الْعُلْيَا وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

(English - Shakir)

First of all the difference:

إِذْ تَقُولُ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ and إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ 

Secondly the sakinah & help was mentioned in this verse in singular form as both pronouns "aalihe" & "ayyadahu" are 3rd person masculine singular pronoun.

The claim of some Muslims that the tranquility (سَكِينَتَهُ) was for Abu Bakr since the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was in no need of tranquility is contradictory to the last part of the verse because tranquility was sent on him only whom Allah helped with hosts which can’t be seen (جنودا لم تروها) and that is none save the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.). If these Muslims say that both tranquility and unseen host were for Abu Bakr and not the Prophet (s.a.w.a.), then they have deprived the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) of his Prophethood and have conferred upon Abu Bakr a status higher than that of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) (Allah forbid!). Therefore, the only conclusion is that tranquility was sent down on Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) only, since he (s.a.w.a.) was the only person who was the eligible for both (tranquility and unseen host).

There are other instances the Holy Quran has mentioned about the descent of tranquility and the believers were included along with the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) on these occasions:

‘Then Allah sent down His tranquility upon His Messenger and upon the believers.’ (Surah Taubah (9): Verse 26)

But in the Verse of the Cave, Allah the High mentions only one recipient of the tranquility while there were two residents inside the cave and clearly this sole recipient is the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) and not  Abu Bakr.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Salsabeel

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

9 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

what we see as relevant is the consolation to la'sahibhi, as it continue with fa'anzala which here should be the result of some previous development... that is someone was in need of tranquility and that is where we view Abu Bakr in need as he was just asked by Rasool (saw) to not grieve.

there is a pronoun "aalaihe" just after fa'anzala, a singular one. So any one of them recieves sakinah, you think it was Abu Bakr who was scared at that time, crying with fear of enemies.

What is important here in "ma'ana"? Why prophet (pbuh) was needed to remind his fellow the very basic principle of Islam i.e., Allah is with us? It seems to me that this exposes the weakness of Abu Bakr's faith. Otherwise he (Abu Bakr) would have said what is mentioned in 2:156, instead of fearing. Neither he appeared as a believer nor as a patient in that situation.

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 156:

الَّذِينَ إِذَا أَصَابَتْهُم مُّصِيبَةٌ قَالُوا إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ

Who, when a misfortune befalls them, say: Surely we are Allah's and to Him we shall surely return.

(English - Shakir)

 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Salsabeel

[First Responder]

On ‎7‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 10:00 AM, Bukhari8k said:

 the fear and grief was of Abu Bakr and NOT of Prophet, because he (Abu Bakr) was dependent (in need) of tranquility."

As it was Abu Bakr who was aggrieved (in huzan) that is why prophet (saw) tried to relax him by saying "La Tahzan" Don't grieve "Inn'Allaha  ma'ana" Allah is with us... so naturally Allah's tranquility then descended down on Abu Bakr (ra) as Prophet (saw) was already relaxed and himself assured Abu Bakr that Allah was with them!

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

إِلَّا تَنْصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِي الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا ۖ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَمْ تَرَوْهَا

صدق الله العلي الظيم

So According to you, Allah aza wa jal not only gave the sakina to abu bakr, but angels too (فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَمْ تَرَوْهَا)? And the funny part about it is that Wahabis and Sunnis say, "Shia are kuffar because they say jibril made a mistake and came down on the prophet and not imam Ali"....I'll let everybody watching these comments get a good laugh out of this.

[First Responder]

1 hour ago, First Responder said:

 

صدق الله العلي الظيم

صدق الله العلي العظيم

[Bukhari8k]

On 7/12/2017 at 8:06 PM, First Responder said:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

إِلَّا تَنْصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِي الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لَا تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا ۖ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَمْ تَرَوْهَا

صدق الله العلي الظيم

So According to you, Allah aza wa jal not only gave the sakina to abu bakr, but angels too (فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَمْ تَرَوْهَا)? 

What I actually had said was that angels did help believers too other than the prophets. Don't you agree?

On 7/12/2017 at 8:06 PM, First Responder said:

And the funny part about it is that Wahabis and Sunnis say, "Shia are kuffar because they say jibril made a mistake and came down on the prophet and not imam Ali"....I'll let everybody watching these comments get a good laugh out of this.

is it true that Shias say so?

[First Responder]

5 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

What I actually had said was that angels did help believers too other than the prophets. Don't you agree?

What you actually said is that Allah aza wa jal brought down the sakina and angels to fight for abu bakr... typical sunni changing their answer once they get put in their place  

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is it true that Shias say so?

Well I know for a fact and it IS TRUE, that you said Allah aza wa jal brought down the sakina and Angels to fight for Abu bakr and not the prophet sal Allah alayh wa aleh...next we will hear Jibril alayh alsalam talked to abu bakr behind the scenes 

Edited July 15, 2017 by First Responder

[MohammadAli1993]

http://purifiedhousehold.com/abu-bakr-and-the-cave-part-1/

This is probably the best article on this topic ever done lol. Its 4 parts 

Please everybody read it 

[Bukhari8k]

11 hours ago, First Responder said:

What you actually said is that Allah aza wa jal brought down the sakina and angels to fight for abu bakr... typical sunni changing their answer once they get put in their place  

Well I know for a fact and it IS TRUE, that you said Allah aza wa jal brought down the sakina and Angels to fight for Abu bakr and not the prophet sal Allah alayh wa aleh...next we will hear Jibril alayh alsalam talked to abu bakr behind the scenes 

Lol.... Jibril in our world talks to none after Muhammad (saw) however it does come down in Shia world with a book 3 times bigger than our (not so original) Quran with altogeher new knowledge and without use of any letter in the Quran... but the world has to wait for that miracle too!

[Abul Hussain Hassani]

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[S.M.H.A.]

7 minutes ago, Abul Hussain Hassani said:

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[Urwatul Wuthqa]

5 hours ago, Abul Hussain Hassani said:

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Lets first see the verse which is mentioned in the last of this video, 20:36

Surah Taha, Verse 46:

قَالَ لَا تَخَافَا إِنَّنِي مَعَكُمَا أَسْمَعُ وَأَرَىٰ

He said: Fear not, surely I am with you both: I do hear and see.

(English - Shakir)

To know what was the fear, see the earlier verse:

Surah Taha, Verse 45:

قَالَا رَبَّنَا إِنَّنَا نَخَافُ أَن يَفْرُطَ عَلَيْنَا أَوْ أَن يَطْغَىٰ

Both said: O our Lord! Surely we fear that he may hasten to do evil to us or that he may become inordinate.

(English - Shakir)

It was the fear (khouf) of Musa & Haroon. What was there in case of Abu Bakr? He was mehzoon as the word used in ayah was "la tehzan". What was the grief of Abu Bakr? The enemy has not yet captured them and not yet detected their hiding place. If it was not the fear but a grief, there can be only one possible reasons of that grief:

1. Why did I come with prophet, now the disbelievers kill the Prophet & me as well.

Perhaps this is the huzn of Abu Bakr for which Prophet was needed to remind him the very basic principle of Islam i.e., ma'eeyat of Allah (la tehzan innallaha ma'ana). 

As I already pointed out that Abu Bakr's weakness of faith & impatience exposed in this verse.

Further more, if you see the verses which mentions sakinah, you notice the disbelief & cowardice of many companions of Prophet (pbuh). For instance:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 26:

ثُمَّ أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ وَعَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَأَنزَلَ جُنُودًا لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَعَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers.

(English - Shakir)

This is the case of battle of hunayn where majority of companions ran away from the battle field and then Allah sent the sakinah & help for Prophet & his true followers i.e., those who stayed with Prophet.

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 18:

لَّقَدْ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ إِذْ يُبَايِعُونَكَ تَحْتَ الشَّجَرَةِ فَعَلِمَ مَا فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ فَأَنزَلَ السَّكِينَةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَثَابَهُمْ فَتْحًا قَرِيبًا

Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquillity on them and rewarded them with a near victory,

(English - Shakir)

No need to mention the history of hudaybiyah. Behavior of majority of companions is already present in sahih books. Some revered personalities even doubted on the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

One can also get the idea from the fact that companions gave the baiyah that they will not show their backs to enemy or in other words will not ran away from battle field. Very few have honored this promise.

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 4:

هُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ السَّكِينَةَ فِي قُلُوبِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ لِيَزْدَادُوا إِيمَانًا مَّعَ إِيمَانِهِمْ وَلِلَّهِ جُنُودُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا

He it is Who sent down tranquillity into the hearts of the believers that they might have more of faith added to their faith-- and Allah's are the hosts of the heavens and the earth, and Allah is Knowing, Wise--

(English - Shakir)

Keep the words of Allah " لِيَزْدَادُوا إِيمَانًا مَّعَ إِيمَانِهِمْ" in mind and now lets see the what happened in Ahzab:

Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 15:

وَلَقَدْ كَانُوا عَاهَدُوا اللَّهَ مِن قَبْلُ لَا يُوَلُّونَ الْأَدْبَارَ وَكَانَ عَهْدُ اللَّهِ مَسْئُولًا

And certainly they had made a covenant with Allah before, that) they would not turn (their) backs; and Allah's covenant shall be inquired of.

(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 16:

قُل لَّن يَنفَعَكُمُ الْفِرَارُ إِن فَرَرْتُم مِّنَ الْمَوْتِ أَوِ الْقَتْلِ وَإِذًا لَّا تُمَتَّعُونَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

Say: Flight shall not do you any good if you fly from death or slaughter, and in that case you will not be allowed to enjoy yourselves but a little.

(English - Shakir)

Again farar??? So who were the momineen of verse 48:4

Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 22:

وَلَمَّا رَأَى الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْأَحْزَابَ قَالُوا هَٰذَا مَا وَعَدَنَا اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَصَدَقَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَمَا زَادَهُمْ إِلَّا إِيمَانًا وَتَسْلِيمًا

And when the believers saw the allies, they said: This is what Allah and His Apostle promised us, and Allah and His Apostle spoke the truth; and it only increased them in faith and submission.

(English - Shakir)

This verse is explaining  لِيَزْدَادُوا إِيمَانًا مَّعَ إِيمَانِهِمْ

The following tafseer shed some light on the story of Ahzab:

"The sight of the enemy who surrounded the city round the trench was frightful. All the Muslims save the Holy Prophet, his Ahl ul Bayt and their followers feared that they might not be able to stand the trial and would be slaughtered and destroyed. "The hearts jumped to the throats" is expressive of cowardice.

"They came on you from above you" refers to the heathens and "from below you" refers to the hypocrites and the weak-hearted wavering converts.

The word muminin in verse 11 refers to those who posed themselves as believers but were not in fact true faithfuls. Their insincerity and false guise became known when Amr threw an open challenge but none of the companions came forward to meet him in single combat because they were shaken by a frightening terror.

As stated in the commentary of verse 9 the Holy Prophet had seen clear signs of victory, but the hypocrites and the insincere believers accused him and the true believers of keeping the Muslims in delusive hopes.

Yathrib is the ancient name of Madina. The disaffected hypocrites and the insincere spread defeatist rumours and persuaded the Muslims to leave the scene of the impending battle and withdraw for the defence of their homes, although their homes were not exposed to enemy attack. So prone and ever-ready were they to every act of hostility against Islam that if the enemy had been able to penetrate into the city, they, sitting on the fence, would have joined the forces of the invaders at once, although, after the battle of Uhad, certain men who had deserted the Holy Prophet, made a covenant with Allah and His Prophet that they would behave better next time. See commentary of Ali Imran: 121, 122, 128, 140 to 142, 144, 151 to 156, 159, 166 to 168 and Anfal: 16.

Imam Ali said:

"On which day (can) I run away from death? The day which is decreed (or) the day which is not decreed!".

Most of the companions of the Holy Prophet who were weak in faith fell easy prey to the machination of the clever hypocrites, as they did in the battles of Badr and Uhad (see verses of Ali Imran and Anfal noted above) and afterwards in Hunayn (see commentary of Bara-at: 25 to 27). In times of danger they would look to the Holy Prophet and Ali for protection, and keep themselves snugly away from the fight. When the danger is past, they would come and brag and wrangle and show their covetousness and greed for gains. Even any good they might have done was obliterated

because there was no sincere motive behind it except envy, greed and cowardice.

Verse 20 gives a vivid picture of the psychology of the most of the companions of the Holy Prophet. Even when the enemy had gone they were so much confused in their minds that they secretly decided to run away from the city and take refuge in the desert if the enemy made another attack.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

"They would fight but little" shows that the companions made almost no contribution to the mission of the Holy Prophet. Even a commentator like Allama Yusuf Ali (who has not mentioned the Ahl ul Bayt at all in his entire commentary) admits in his note (3685) that "Ali particularly distinguished himself in many fights, wearing the prophet's own sword and armour."