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Salaam all,

I have been watching the Umar series just to allow free thought and invite open-mindedness and to understand the roots of Islam and shism better.

I just had a question:

The prophet passed away, not long after the event of ghadeer whereby he proclaimed Imam Ali (a.s) as a successor. Upon the tragic death of the prophet, the "muslims" decided to take control of the ummah (as though it was their responsibility and not Allah's command). They treated Islam as a country, rather than a divine message, allowing to 'elect' leaders themselves, whereas, Islam has always been a religion propagated by DIVINELY CHOSEN individuals, not those chosen by ordinary fallibles. So my question is, how come, upon 'electing' the next successor, not one individual spoke about ghadeer, how can such a vast majority of muslims simply 'forget' about such an important event. I mean, not all of them would have been power hungry, at least someone should have remembered it.. Since so many people had forgotten about such an event, and so quickly, what does that say about ghadeer itself, it happened, for sure, but how would one justify it through this lens?

Wassalam

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4 hours ago, I. said:

Salaam all,

I have been watching the Umar series just to allow free thought and invite open-mindedness and to understand the roots of Islam and shism better.

I just had a question:

The prophet passed away, not long after the event of ghadeer whereby he proclaimed Imam Ali (a.s) as a successor. Upon the tragic death of the prophet, the "muslims" decided to take control of the ummah (as though it was their responsibility and not Allah's command). They treated Islam as a country, rather than a divine message, allowing to 'elect' leaders themselves, whereas, Islam has always been a religion propagated by DIVINELY CHOSEN individuals, not those chosen by ordinary fallibles. So my question is, how come, upon 'electing' the next successor, not one individual spoke about ghadeer, how can such a vast majority of muslims simply 'forget' about such an important event. I mean, not all of them would have been power hungry, at least someone should have remembered it.. Since so many people had forgotten about such an event, and so quickly, what does that say about ghadeer itself, it happened, for sure, but how would one justify it through this lens?

Wassalam

Its not that they forgot it is simply that Abu Bakr and Umar, especially Umar devised the perfect plot for them to obtain the caliphate. They wrote falsified hadith, they claimed that the Prophet chose Abu Bakr as caliph, etc. Aisha as well also was involved in helping her father achieve caliphate by literally lying about the characterisitics, the personality of her father. 

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There's a discussion about the preservation of Ghadeer in a book called "The Right Path", which contains a series of letters between Sheikh 'Abdul Husain Sharifuddeen (May Allah have mercy on his soul) and a Sunni 'aalim. One of the main points brought forth is the event of Rahba, which happened 25 years after the event of Ghadeer, where more than 30 people (13 of which fought in the battle of Badr) testified to Ghadeer's having taken place. This is recorded in Ahmad bin Hanbal's Musnad. The Sheikh went on to explain how the a'imma (peace and blessings be upon them on all) preserved the memory of Ghadeer for example by holding celebrations, giving gifts. 

Would highly recommend looking through "The Right Path". It's available for download in pdf format. 

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On 05/07/2017 at 1:00 PM, AfricanShia said:

Its not that they forgot it is simply that Abu Bakr and Umar, especially Umar devised the perfect plot for them to obtain the caliphate. They wrote falsified hadith, they claimed that the Prophet chose Abu Bakr as caliph, etc. Aisha as well also was involved in helping her father achieve caliphate by literally lying about the characterisitics, the personality of her father. 

Yes, that is true, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the mass does not bring anything about ghader. When choosing Abu Bakr, why did not anyone raise their voice, did EVERYONE believe in their tricks?

 

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On 05/07/2017 at 11:57 PM, ahmedhen said:

There's a discussion about the preservation of Ghadeer in a book called "The Right Path", which contains a series of letters between Sheikh 'Abdul Husain Sharifuddeen (May Allah have mercy on his soul) and a Sunni 'aalim. One of the main points brought forth is the event of Rahba, which happened 25 years after the event of Ghadeer, where more than 30 people (13 of which fought in the battle of Badr) testified to Ghadeer's having taken place. This is recorded in Ahmad bin Hanbal's Musnad. The Sheikh went on to explain how the a'imma (peace and blessings be upon them on all) preserved the memory of Ghadeer for example by holding celebrations, giving gifts. 

Would highly recommend looking through "The Right Path". It's available for download in pdf format. 

Thank you, will look into it.

 

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8 hours ago, I. said:

Yes, that is true, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the mass does not bring anything about ghader. When choosing Abu Bakr, why did not anyone raise their voice, did EVERYONE believe in their tricks?

 

Well Abu Bakr probably had some level of respect, especially Aisha being the wife of Muhammad. Not everyone believed them. If everyone did then Ali would have never attained the Caliphate. 

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On 09/07/2017 at 10:01 AM, AfricanShia said:

Well Abu Bakr probably had some level of respect, especially Aisha being the wife of Muhammad. Not everyone believed them. If everyone did then Ali would have never attained the Caliphate. 

That is true, and I also assume that Umar had some control over the people as they were scared of him and even in the series, he was shown to threaten anyone that goes against Abu Bakr by saying that he would slay them. It seems as though the truth becomes more visible, the more it is hidden. 

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39 minutes ago, I. said:

That is true, and I also assume that Umar had some control over the people as they were scared of him and even in the series, he was shown to threaten anyone that goes against Abu Bakr by saying that he would slay them. It seems as though the truth becomes more visible, the more it is hidden. 

Certainly Brother.

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