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hadith of jews and believers in Persia

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Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls.

حَدَّثَنَا مَنْصُورُ بْنُ أَبِي مُزَاحِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ حَمْزَةَ، عَنِ الأَوْزَاعِيِّ، عَنْ إِسْحَاقَ، بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عَنْ عَمِّهِ، أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ يَتْبَعُ الدَّجَّالَ مِنْ يَهُودِ أَصْبَهَانَ سَبْعُونَ أَلْفًا عَلَيْهِمُ الطَّيَالِسَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2944,  In-book reference : Book 54, Hadith 155

http://sunnah.com/muslim/54/155

the above hadith just mentions that jews will follow dajjal, the below mentioned weaknesses are observed in this hadit:

1. The name Persia ie faras has not been mentioned in its Arabic text and it is presumed to mean Persia.

2. The name Asbehan cannot mean to get the city name as esfahan. as the Persia ie faras has not been mentioned in the original Arabic text of hadith

3.  the grading of the hadith is not available at the given link above and it cannot be assumed to be authentic just because it is mentioned in sahih Muslim. the grading of the hadith is imperative to judge it as authentic or daeef.

4.  there are only few jews present in Persian city of Isfahan presently thus it is considered contrary to the facts

there is also another hadith mentioning that he people of Persia are believers to get the belief anxiously

Narrated Abu Hurairah:
"Some people among the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: 'O Messenger of Allah! Who are these people whom Allah mentioned, that if we turn away they would replace us, then they would not be like us?'" He said: "And Salman was beside the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), so the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) patted Salman's thigh and said: 'This one and his companions, and by the One in Whose Hand is my soul! If faith were suspended from Pleiades, then it would be reached by men from Persia.'"
 
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ، أَنْبَأَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ نَجِيحٍ، عَنِ الْعَلاَءِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ قَالَ نَاسٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ هَؤُلاَءِ الَّذِينَ ذَكَرَ اللَّهُ إِنْ تَوَلَّيْنَا اسْتُبْدِلُوا بِنَا ثُمَّ لَمْ يَكُونُوا أَمْثَالَنَا قَالَ وَكَانَ سَلْمَانُ بِجَنْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ فَضَرَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَخِذَ سَلْمَانَ قَالَ ‏ "‏ هَذَا وَأَصْحَابُهُ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ كَانَ الإِيمَانُ مَنُوطًا بِالثُّرَيَّا لَتَنَاوَلَهُ رِجَالٌ مِنْ فَارِسَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ نَجِيحٍ هُوَ وَالِدُ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْمَدِينِيِّ وَقَدْ رَوَى عَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ الْكَثِيرَ ‏.‏ وَحَدَّثَنَا عَلِيٌّ بِهَذَا الْحَدِيثِ عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ ‏.‏
Grade Hasan (Darussalam)  
English reference  : Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3261
Arabic reference  : Book 47, Hadith 3570

http://sunnah.com/urn/642960

the above hadith praises the people of Persia who are the companions of hz Salaman farsi RA (ie from Persia). this hadith has been graded as hasan.

There is tendency  that people try to mold that the people of Persia are the sunni scholars who collected the ahdith and developed the book of hadith which does not meet the words of the prophet because it addresses the companions of hz Slaman RA and no one else.

The analysis of the above hadith is further made in the following:

The words of the prophet saww: Who are these people whom Allah mentioned, that if we turn away they would replace us, then they would not be like us?

Behold! you are those who are called upon to spend in Allah's way, but among you are those who are niggardly, and whoever is niggardly is niggardly against his own soul; and Allah is Self-sufficient and you have need (of Him), and if you turn back He will bring in your place another people, then they will not be like you.  (47:38)

O you who believe! Whoever turns back among you from his religion, then soon Allah (will) bring a people whom He loves and they love Him, humble towards the believers (and) stern towards the disbelievers; striving in (the) way (of) Allah and not fearing the blame (of) a critic. That (is the) Grace (of) Allah, He grants whom He wills. And Allah (is) All-Encompassing, All-Knowing. (5:54)

the companions are addressed that they will be replaced with the new nation. the hadith of the prophet saww mention that the companions will go out of the religion after the prophet saww.

the Prophet saww has mentioned the Salaman RA, and his companions include Miqdada, Abuzar, and ammar RA and they are know as faithful companions of Imama Ali AS.and his shia.

wasalam

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21 minutes ago, skyweb1987 said:

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls.

حَدَّثَنَا مَنْصُورُ بْنُ أَبِي مُزَاحِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ حَمْزَةَ، عَنِ الأَوْزَاعِيِّ، عَنْ إِسْحَاقَ، بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عَنْ عَمِّهِ، أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ يَتْبَعُ الدَّجَّالَ مِنْ يَهُودِ أَصْبَهَانَ سَبْعُونَ أَلْفًا عَلَيْهِمُ الطَّيَالِسَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2944,  In-book reference : Book 54, Hadith 155

http://sunnah.com/muslim/54/155

the above hadith just mentions that jews will follow dajjal, the below mentioned weaknesses are observed in this hadit:

1. The name Persia ie faras has not been mentioned in its Arabic text and it is presumed to mean Persia.

2. The name Asbehan cannot mean to get the city name as esfahan. as the Persia ie faras has not been mentioned in the original Arabic text of hadith

3.  the grading of the hadith is not available at the given link above and it cannot be assumed to be authentic just because it is mentioned in sahih Muslim. the grading of the hadith is imperative to judge it as authentic or daeef.

4.  there are only few jews present in Persian city of Isfahan presently thus it is considered contrary to the facts

there is also another hadith mentioning that he people of Persia are believers to get the belief anxiously

Narrated Abu Hurairah:
"Some people among the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: 'O Messenger of Allah! Who are these people whom Allah mentioned, that if we turn away they would replace us, then they would not be like us?'" He said: "And Salman was beside the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), so the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) patted Salman's thigh and said: 'This one and his companions, and by the One in Whose Hand is my soul! If faith were suspended from Pleiades, then it would be reached by men from Persia.'"
 
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ، أَنْبَأَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ نَجِيحٍ، عَنِ الْعَلاَءِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ قَالَ نَاسٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ هَؤُلاَءِ الَّذِينَ ذَكَرَ اللَّهُ إِنْ تَوَلَّيْنَا اسْتُبْدِلُوا بِنَا ثُمَّ لَمْ يَكُونُوا أَمْثَالَنَا قَالَ وَكَانَ سَلْمَانُ بِجَنْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ فَضَرَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَخِذَ سَلْمَانَ قَالَ ‏ "‏ هَذَا وَأَصْحَابُهُ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ كَانَ الإِيمَانُ مَنُوطًا بِالثُّرَيَّا لَتَنَاوَلَهُ رِجَالٌ مِنْ فَارِسَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ نَجِيحٍ هُوَ وَالِدُ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْمَدِينِيِّ وَقَدْ رَوَى عَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ الْكَثِيرَ ‏.‏ وَحَدَّثَنَا عَلِيٌّ بِهَذَا الْحَدِيثِ عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ ‏.‏
Grade Hasan (Darussalam)  
English reference  : Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3261
Arabic reference  : Book 47, Hadith 3570

http://sunnah.com/urn/642960

the above hadith praises the people of Persia who are the companions of hz Salaman farsi RA (ie from Persia). this hadith has been graded as hasan.

There is tendency  that people try to mold that the people of Persia are the sunni scholars who collected the ahdith and developed the book of hadith which does not meet the words of the prophet because it addresses the companions of hz Slaman RA and no one else.

The analysis of the above hadith is further made in the following:

The words of the prophet saww: Who are these people whom Allah mentioned, that if we turn away they would replace us, then they would not be like us?

Behold! you are those who are called upon to spend in Allah's way, but among you are those who are niggardly, and whoever is niggardly is niggardly against his own soul; and Allah is Self-sufficient and you have need (of Him), and if you turn back He will bring in your place another people, then they will not be like you.  (47:38)

O you who believe! Whoever turns back among you from his religion, then soon Allah (will) bring a people whom He loves and they love Him, humble towards the believers (and) stern towards the disbelievers; striving in (the) way (of) Allah and not fearing the blame (of) a critic. That (is the) Grace (of) Allah, He grants whom He wills. And Allah (is) All-Encompassing, All-Knowing. (5:54)

the companions are addressed that they will be replaced with the new nation. the hadith of the prophet saww mention that the companions will go out of the religion after the prophet saww.

the Prophet saww has mentioned the Salaman RA, and his companions include Miqdada, Abuzar, and ammar RA and they are know as faithful companions of Imama Ali AS.and his shia.

wasalam

It is quite possible both narration are true. Jews of isfahan will follow Mehdi. And companion of Salaman Farsi will be true followers of Islam. 

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56 minutes ago, islam25 said:

It is quite possible both narration are true. Jews of isfahan will follow Mehdi. And companion of Salaman Farsi will be true followers of Islam. 

Thanks brother for your response,

but what is the grading of hadith no. 1 mentioning Jews in order to get any idea about your thought?

You need to  concentrate on the comments about hadith no 1 as i have mentioned in OP before raising the comments

Jews are Jews and they have been mentioned already to follow the Dajjal instead of Mahdi

Also it is further added on the basis of the analysis of hadith no 2 it is clear that the companions of Salman farsi RA ie Shia of imam Ali of Persia are true followers and believers

wasalam

 

 

Edited by skyweb1987

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1 hour ago, skyweb1987 said:

Thanks brother for your response,

but what is the grading of hadith no. 1 mentioning Jews in order to get any idea about your thought?

You need to  concentrate on the comments about hadith no 1 as i have mentioned in OP before raising the comments

Jews are Jews and they have been mentioned already to follow the Dajjal instead of Mahdi

Also it is further added on the basis of the analysis of hadith no 2 it is clear that the companions of Salman farsi RA ie Shia of imam Ali of Persia are true followers and believers

wasalam

 

 

Yes. I mean Jews of isfahan will follow Dajjal. 

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1 hour ago, islam25 said:

Yes. I mean Jews of isfahan will follow Dajjal. 

I have mentioned in OP that for hadith no 1, that jews will follow dajjal, the below mentioned weaknesses are present in this hadiith

1. The name Persia ie Faras has not been mentioned in its Arabic text and it is added supposedly without any evidence in its translation (intellectual dishonesty)

2. The name Asbehan cannot mean to get the city name as esfahan. as the Persia ie faras has not been mentioned in the original Arabic text of hadith. No clue is available in the Arabic text that ASBEHAN  means city of Isfahan

3.  In the absence of the grading of the hadith  it is  considered unauthentic

thus the above hadith no 1 (about Jews of Isfahan) is unreliable, Daef//weak/fabricated.

The other hadith no 2 is graded as HASAN and it is reliable one. This provides the evidence that Salman Farsi RA and Shia of Persia are believers and followers of the religion of truth.

 

Edited by skyweb1987

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