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56 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

can anyone refute or explain this video? but i dont want weak faithed people to watch this

I can explain this video, it is nonsensical Wahhabi/Salafi garbage. We are not pagans and we are not Jews in disguise. The moment the video mentioned Ibn Saba was enough for me to see that was propaganda and garbage. Ibn Saba never existed, don't give it a second thought.

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Just now, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I can explain this video, it is nonsensical Wahhabi/Salafi garbage. We are not pagans and we are not Jews in disguise. The moment the video mentioned Ibn Saba was enough for me to see that was propaganda and garbage. Ibn Saba never existed, don't give it a second thought.

hmmm i see, JazakAllah, what about the part where they were dropping letters into the well for Al Mahdi a.s.?

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11 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Sis, you know very well that those are duas, not wishes, it's called Dua-e-Ariza and the intercession? Nonsense, we are not praying to them directly, rather we are asking the Imams to pray for us. Whoever did this video is ignorant, Sidnaq.

Look at this: http://www.duas.org/arizatoimam.htm 

There's nothing blasphemous about it, it is simply asking the Mahdi to pray to Allah for you.

Stop watching this garbage, we have warned you time and time again to stop. I have warned you to stop and suggested that you read books from Al-Islam.org. What ever happened to that?

I am not mad at you but I am mad at this disgusting and ignorant video. Nothing good comes from this flith, only suffering and fitnah. A waste of precious time, effort and brain cells went into this video.

i do read from all sources gaius, i watch this not to be misguided but to see their points, and who else has warned me, i am trying to ask these questions so they can be refuted if possible! or else, not only sunnis but shias can be misguided by anti majoos videos without anyone else explaining or refuting them. you do sound mad, and it seems youre being strict with me..

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much of what is in this movie is a disgrace for shias, and used by their enemies to attack them. This includes:

- making dua for help to the imams, such as asking them for help concerning sickness, etc

- this making dua is often accompanied with fake images of the imams that people imagine and look to much like Christians look to images of Jesus and Mary for help.

- the self beating and flagellation that just makes the shias look so bad, and is not tradition of any prophet or imam.

- the propagation of untruths like the claim that the imam(s) manages all affairs of the world, and that because of them there is no chaos in the world - as said by the ex president of Iran. And that other scholar after him saying that all the keys of all matters are with the imam, that is just purely wrong.

 

It is sad that many shia will not tolerate and self criticism amongst those who call themselves shia, and will go to any length to defend their practices or mistakes. 

 

Let us see what people say to the following video that i have posted before and got no comment for. Here are people who call the shrine on a telephone to ask the imam reza for help. These practices are purely praying to others than Allah to me, and i don't see any tradition of ahlul bayt or quran or prophetic teachings in this. Just purely human pitfalls that come again and again through history. Please, anybody tell me what you think of the following hotline to imam reza for praying to him:

 

Thank God that all shia books are unanimous about praying only to Allah, making dua only to Allah, supplicating only to Allah, and the same goes with the Quran. Never did an imam or prophet pray to a martyred person for help, and the whole message of Islam is to keep that to Allah. So the one or two (literally) hadiths that contradict the countless truthful ones won't make any difference in this. True shias of ahl bayt will only pray to Allah.

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9 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

They say that acknowledging the problem is half the cure.

 

I like

 

4 hours ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

This is precisely why you shouldn't be watching these videos. If you know beforehand (as you do) that these types of channels are spewing lies which will weaken your iman, watching them is straight up haram. 

There is a world of difference between doing this and watching, say, NAK videos to gain knowledge.

Then refute their freakin points!!

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4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I am being firm, not strict. This is the stuff that misguided me when I was a Sunni, made me hate people that I never met. It's a waste of time, Sid, in my opinion but if you want to refute this garbage, go ahead, just don't expect people to behave like adults and use reason and logic.

I don't know what kind of Shia would be misguided by anti-Majoos videos but it won't happen if guided properly. It's kind of hard to take a YouTube channel that insults your beliefs on a daily basis seriously.

I see,hmm 

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28 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

Hmm but what about dua tawassul brother?

I don't believe it is a legitimate form of tawasul i.e. means of getting closer to Allah.

I have compiled evidence with one of my previous SC accounts here

 

Anyway, these people in the videos take it one step further as well, and don't even ask for intercession, but they ask for what they want directly to the imams. That's level 2 in my opinion.

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6 hours ago, Reza said:

Life is too short to discuss everything. You should only spend time refuting honest misconceptions, not deliberate lies. People in these videos want to both weaken your faith and waste your time. 

okay if they are lies and stuff, pretend i dont know, and refute their points right here, why is the video a lie, then why do we have scholars making such statements.refute their points if they are wrong

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1 hour ago, sidnaq said:

okay if they are lies and stuff, pretend i dont know, and refute their points right here, why is the video a lie, then why do we have scholars making such statements.refute their points if they are wrong

1. If somebody here wants to refute it, they will. You can't force people if they're not interested (you can see why many are not)

2. Instead of demanding work from others, why not do some of it yourself? Lay out your thoughts and refutations first, then others will be more inclined to participate. We need more supplying and producing, less demanding and consuming. 

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4 minutes ago, Reza said:

1. If somebody here wants to refute it, they will. You can't force people if they're not interested (you can see why many are not)

2. Instead of demanding work from others, why not do some of it yourself? Lay out your thoughts and refutations first, then others will be more inclined to participate. We need more supplying and producing, less demanding and consuming. 

how am i supposed to refute them if i dont know myself, thats why i am asking other people.

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2 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

how am i supposed to refute them if i dont know myself, thats why i am asking other people.

Do what you can. Say what you think. Maybe provide an article, book, or video that explores these issues to get the ball rolling. 

Don't just dump some big garbage video on our front doorstep, and say "Here". Doesn't work like that. 

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1 hour ago, Reza said:

Do what you can. Say what you think. Maybe provide an article, book, or video that explores these issues to get the ball rolling. 

Don't just dump some big garbage video on our front doorstep, and say "Here". Doesn't work like that. 

You know what youre being rude and i am starting ot hate oyu. Dont call my threads garbage!!!!

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I think it is rude to ask people constantly to refute these points, when most people don't have time to go to video and start listen garbage and then refute them. Just start yourself to give us the points in video that you see it is worthy to be respond, then maybe we can give the right answer. 

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1 hour ago, sidnaq said:

You know what youre being rude and i am starting ot hate oyu. Dont call my threads garbage!!!!

He said the video is garbage. That is an anti-Shia video from an anti-Shia site. Very hateful. 

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On 6/25/2017 at 10:11 PM, sidnaq said:

WARNING, ONLY FOR KNOWLEDGABLE MEMBERS 

1- Shias believe that Rasulullah and the imams get aware of the people and specially their followers. There are many Sahih hadithes in Kafi and elsewhere. That the deeds are presented to Rasulullah and the imams, of course whatever Allah wills and permits. Even Sunnies have hadithes about that deeds are presented to Rasulullah. Sometimes this may be called that the caliph of Allah is the eye of Allah or the hand of Allah or the ear of Allah of course not literally. This means that some of the names of Allah manifests in the caliph of Allah. This is a little complicated issue.

If caliph of Allah does not manage things, then he is caliph for what !?

If the caliph of Allah and his Hujjat does not exist, worlds will be ruined. This is not just the belief of Shias. Alusi the Sunni Salafi scholar declares this explicitly in his famous book Ruhul Ma'ani.

These are scientific issues. You should not expect the illiterate and backwarded extremists to understand such things easily.

2- Writing letters and dropping them into the water like rivers or wells is one of the methods that Shias have in their hadithes. This does not mean that Mahdi finds the letters and reads them literally !

3- Some people say Ibn Saba does not exist, some others say his characteristic is exaggerated. In fact according to the book of Shias, Ali wanted Ibn Saba and some of his followers to repent they did not and Ali himself executed Ibn Saba and some of his followers.

 

I would be glad to hear questions if you have any, this would help me to learn more and deeper. You should not fear watching those movies, there is nothing to fear as long as we are after discovering the truths, whatever they are and however they are.

Edited by maes

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3 hours ago, maes said:

1- Shias believe that Rasulullah and the imams get aware of the people and specially their followers. There are many Sahih hadithes in Kafi and elsewhere. That the deeds are presented to Rasulullah and the imams, of course whatever Allah wills and permits. Even Sunnies have hadithes about that deeds are presented to Rasulullah. Sometimes this may be called that the caliph of Allah is the eye of Allah or the hand of Allah or the ear of Allah of course not literally. This means that some of the names of Allah manifests in the caliph of Allah. This is a little complicated issue.

If caliph of Allah does not manage things, then he is caliph for what !?

I strongly recommend re-thinking what you just said...it's very disturbing, and is shirky.

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2 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

can you clarify your point bro? how is it shirky ?

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1- Shias believe that Rasulullah and the imams get aware of the people and specially their followers. There are many Sahih hadithes in Kafi and elsewhere. That the deeds are presented to Rasulullah and the imams, of course whatever Allah wills and permits. Even Sunnies have hadithes about that deeds are presented to Rasulullah. Sometimes this may be called that the caliph of Allah is the eye of Allah or the hand of Allah or the ear of Allah of course not literally. This means that some of the names of Allah manifests in the caliph of Allah. This is a little complicated issue.

If caliph of Allah does not manage things, then he is caliph for what !?

 

First of Shia's don't believe in that. SOME do. Second of all Sidnaq, read what he/she said:

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Sometimes this may be called that the caliph of Allah is the eye of Allah or the hand of Allah or the ear of Allah of course not literally. This means that some of the names of Allah manifests in the caliph of Allah. This is a little complicated issue.

If caliph of Allah does not manage things, then he is caliph for what !?

 

"course not literally" Does not change the fact that it is shirk. Saying it's not Allah and doing it by the will of Allah ALSO does not change the fact that this is shirk.

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5 hours ago, sidnaq said:

Masha'Allah SubhanAllah, JazakAllah for answering my questions, i really appreciate them, i appreciate you answering me.JazakAllah , JazakAllah once again JazakAllah.

Salam. The above video you posted is tricky with some facts. I addition some action by ignorant Shia complicate issue.If any body having basic knowledge of Islam can easily refute it. 

According to Shia all Ambias and imams and awlias had attained the station of Faqr or absolute dependence or neediness before Allah. 

So it is out of question that Ambias as or imams orAwlias can do anything help or cure or etc of their own. So the main aim of Ambias and Awlias are guide you and teach you how to purify yourself before meeting Allah. It is  misconception that some of ignorant shias have made imams fullfiller of wishs. 

Yes imams can intercede only to the extent one has acquired share of intecession through following the guidance of Ambias as awlias. 

Edited by islam25

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The core and fundamental aim of all Massenger of Allah and Awlias was teach the mankind the purification of self from all sort of corruption and sins. Now it is upto people how much they acquire this purification and descipling of nafs. And it is mandatory on us to learn to be away from sins and satanic exploitation by following the guidance.That is the benefit we are expected to get and not that Imam will give money or cure the disease or so, even by will of Allah and if Allah permits they can. 

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