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3 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

On your part.

Honestly, do you have any idea who you are talking to, their experience, their history?

Say no.

LCM could teach you how to be a better Muslim. She's changes Muslim diapers quite often.

Only Allah teaches me to be a better Muslim. Not a kafir. Good for her. 

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15 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

Allah misguides no one. The person is the one whom misguides himself. Someone who denys the revelations of Allah, Allah seals that persons heart so that he will not listen even if you show him all the proof.

You said Allah misguides who he wants. Maybe he never did even if he could. You also said Allah guides who he wants. So after hundreds of thousand years Allah chose starting with guiding some Arabs in the 7th century. Not until a thousand years later could Islam be known on the other side of the Atlantic, only the Quran was still only available in Arabic. Today most Arabs have sealed hearts and Shias are the guided ones. Mainly concentrated in Iran and neighbouring countries. Correct?

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3 minutes ago, andres said:

You said Allah misguides who he wants. Maybe he never did even if he could. You also said Allah guides who he wants. So after hundreds of thousand years Allah chose starting with guiding some Arabs in the 7th century. Not until a thousand years later could Islam be known on the other side of the Atlantic, only the Quran was still only available in Arabic. Today most Arabs have sealed hearts and Shias are the guided ones. Mainly concentrated in Iran and neighbouring countries. Correct?

Allahs message went out to all of civilizations with different Prophets who told the people to sumbit to Allah but they denied and they scattered. 

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2 hours ago, AfricanShia said:

Allahs message went out to all of civilizations with different Prophets who told the people to sumbit to Allah but they denied and they scattered. 

To my knowledge there has never been an Islamic prophet in Scandinavia. But what about America, Japan,  Australia? When were they visited by Islamic Prophets? Proofs you know, proofs are necessary. 

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7 minutes ago, andres said:

To my knowledge there has never been an Islamic prophet in Scandinavia. But what about America, Japan,  Australia? When were they visited by Islamic Prophets? Proofs you know, proofs are necessary. 

Their ancestors scattered themselves across different lands. Those who never recieved Allahs revelations will be tested on the good deeds and the bad deeds they did. The ones who did more good they will inshallah go to heaven and become Muslim(submit to God). Allah is fair. 

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41 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

Their ancestors scattered themselves across different lands. Those who never recieved Allahs revelations will be tested on the good deeds and the bad deeds they did. The ones who did more good they will inshallah go to heaven and become Muslim(submit to God). Allah is fair. 

Fair enough, but you said God has sent Islamic prophets to others than Arabs. Whereto? Any proofs? 

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2 hours ago, andres said:

Fair enough, but you said God has sent Islamic prophets to others than Arabs. Whereto? Any proofs? 

Prophet Moses with the Pharaoh in Egypt. Prophet Lut with Palestine. Prophet Muhammad ventured to Abyssinia with his followers. During these times the Middle East had one of the earliest civilizations and was actually in fact the most advanced in terms of technology, government establishment and this is why Allah mainly based his Prophets in great Arabia because other civilations that had scattered were quite minimal but Rabbis, believers in those revelations had spread knowledge far enough to such civilations. A definite example of a servant of Allah who did so was Dhul-Qarnayn. Dhul- Qarnayn is the only man recorded in Islamic history to have travelled the East and West and encounter different people with different cultures. 

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7 hours ago, AfricanShia said:

Prophet Moses with the Pharaoh in Egypt. Prophet Lut with Palestine. Prophet Muhammad ventured to Abyssinia with his followers. During these times the Middle East had one of the earliest civilizations and was actually in fact the most advanced in terms of technology, government establishment and this is why Allah mainly based his Prophets in great Arabia because other civilations that had scattered were quite minimal but Rabbis, believers in those revelations had spread knowledge far enough to such civilations. A definite example of a servant of Allah who did so was Dhul-Qarnayn. Dhul- Qarnayn is the only man recorded in Islamic history to have travelled the East and West and encounter different people with different cultures. 

 So Allahs message has been sent to Arabs in Arabic language and to the Hebrews in Hebrew?. Islamic Prophets only existed in the Middle East? From all these prophets long forgotten, only Muhammeds revelation has survived? 

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3 hours ago, andres said:

 So Allahs message has been sent to Arabs in Arabic language and to the Hebrews in Hebrew?. Islamic Prophets only existed in the Middle East? From all these prophets long forgotten, only Muhammeds revelation has survived? 

Yes Allah's revelations has been well translated to other languages so that many civilizations could believe and embrace Allah's revelations.No Brother. The Hebrews had their revelation in which they became the Jews. Then Prophet Isa came and the people became Christian. All the Prophets were well remembered. They are in Hadith as well Quran. Every Prophet embraces the one that came before him and gives glad tidings and revelations of his successor. For example Moses embraced the Prophet before him, Abraham and gave glad tidings and revelations of the next one, His Brother Aaron. Isa embraced his predecessor and gave glad tidings and revelations of the next one, Muhammad and thats why you will find descriptions of Muhammad in the Bible. Islamic Prophets mainly existed in the Middle East because revealing revelations there would impact the rest of the world and it did. Now you can find Muslims all over the world Brother. Muhammads revelations was the one that was meant to last because he brought the conplete edition of Allahs revelation, the complete form of Islam that has all the laws that Allah wants us to follow, history on the Prophets,etc. Since Muhammads bringing the complete faith from Allah, the Quran has never been change and it will stay that way until Judgement Day. Muhammads revelations confirmed all the Prophets as he is the Seal of The Prophets. 

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5 hours ago, AfricanShia said:

Yes Allah's revelations has been well translated to other languages so that many civilizations could believe and embrace Allah's revelations.No Brother. The Hebrews had their revelation in which they became the Jews. Then Prophet Isa came and the people became Christian. All the Prophets were well remembered. They are in Hadith as well Quran. Every Prophet embraces the one that came before him and gives glad tidings and revelations of his successor. For example Moses embraced the Prophet before him, Abraham and gave glad tidings and revelations of the next one, His Brother Aaron. Isa embraced his predecessor and gave glad tidings and revelations of the next one, Muhammad and thats why you will find descriptions of Muhammad in the Bible. Islamic Prophets mainly existed in the Middle East because revealing revelations there would impact the rest of the world and it did. Now you can find Muslims all over the world Brother. Muhammads revelations was the one that was meant to last because he brought the conplete edition of Allahs revelation, the complete form of Islam that has all the laws that Allah wants us to follow, history on the Prophets,etc. Since Muhammads bringing the complete faith from Allah, the Quran has never been change and it will stay that way until Judgement Day. Muhammads revelations confirmed all the Prophets as he is the Seal of The Prophets. 

Of all the prophets you mention, only Isa and Muhammad are historical persons. The others are mythological persons. All evidence say all semites were polytheists 3.000 years ago. There is no indications whatever that Islamic prophets existed before Muhammed, anywhere on the planet. Your belief is based on the Quran only. Its OK, but proving Quran is Gods true word is not possible. I am certain it is not.

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16 minutes ago, andres said:

Of all the prophets you mention, only Isa and Muhammad are historical persons. The others are mythological persons

Some atheists argue that prophet Issah never existed either, they say he was a mythological person as well.

 

17 minutes ago, andres said:

Its OK, but proving Quran is Gods true word is not possible. I am certain it is not.

Proving that the holy Quran is not Gods true word is also not possible.

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42 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Some atheists argue that prophet Issah never existed either, they say he was a mythological person as well.

Some say the same of Prophet Muhammad but in order to do either you must ignore historical documents.

It doesn't stand to reason that the Characters in the OT responsible for documenting God's law were mythical. That doesn't bode well with the Qur'an either. The Qur'an confirms past scripture.

 

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53 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Some atheists argue that prophet Issah never existed either, they say he was a mythological person as well.

 

Proving that the holy Quran is not Gods true word is also not possible.

There is overwhelming consensus among historians that Jesus is an historical person. Some jerks will always disagree.

True. Many things are impossible to prove. Like proving Wotan does or does not exist.

 

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18 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

Some say the same of Prophet Muhammad but in order to do either you must ignore historical documents.

It doesn't stand to reason that the Characters in the OT responsible for documenting God's law were mythical. That doesn't bode well with the Qur'an either. The Qur'an confirms past scripture.

 

Muhammed is an historical person. Only ignorants deny this.

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2 hours ago, andres said:

Of all the prophets you mention, only Isa and Muhammad are historical persons. The others are mythological persons. All evidence say all semites were polytheists 3.000 years ago. There is no indications whatever that Islamic prophets existed before Muhammed, anywhere on the planet. Your belief is based on the Quran only. Its OK, but proving Quran is Gods true word is not possible. I am certain it is not.

I think you forgot that we have the graves of the Prophets. You can go visit them. Also you denying the Prophets in the Quran  is denying your own faith in Christianity. This means you dont believe in Moses, Aaron, Abraham, Noah, Lot, Jacob, Joseph, Jonah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Ishmael, Issac, Adam, Elisha and so forth. You deny these Prophets then you deny your Bible because these Prophets are in your Bible and we confirm them in the Quran. Also we have the graves of these Prophets, not Christians so how can you deny it now? The Quran has never been changed. The Bible has been changed. In the Bible, God orders the killing of innocent people. The Quran ordered the Muslims to fight back the disbelievers who were attacking the people. Christians have only the 10 commandments as their laws which means Christians can commit sins like fornication, masturbation, lying, sodomy, solygamy. Churches allow gay marriages even though you believe in Prophet Lot. Muslims declare that gay marriages are illegitimate and the Quran condemns it. In hadith, Prophet Muhammad said Islam is to be good natured. In Islam the poor are not lower than the rich. In Islam, the rich must devote large sums of money to the community. In Islam one must keep their daily prayers to be mindful of Allah. In Islam, one must desire the Hereafter than this world. In Islam one must refrain from anger, impatience, gossiping, in order to be closer to Allah. One must not eat until their stomach gets full as it is unworthy in the eyes of Allah. In Islam one must not waste for Allah likes not those who waste. In Islam one must be chaste. In Islam, Allah likes to see a man spend time with his family rather than that man spend a night in the mosque. In Islam one must be arrogant. In Islam one must be pious. In Islam one must educate himself and be hard working. In Islam one must be clean. In Islam one must lessen their hopes for this world. In Islam one must cut family ties and must stay in touch with family. In Islam, Allah likes those return to him with a wife. In Islam one must be grateful and happy in their life, must be grateful for the life that Allah gave them. The Greatest Jihad in Islam is refraining from the desires of this world. In Islam one must be merciful. In Islam a man must not be a coward. A man must have courage, must not fear anything except for Allah. He who fears Allah and worships him and does good will be greatly rewarded. In the Bible when Adam ate the fruit it narrates that God cursed Adam and Eve. In Islam we narrate that Allah forgave Adam and Eve and that Allah made Adam a Prophet. In Islam we believe that Allah is fair. In Islam we believe that Allah can forgive almost all sins. In Islam we believe that Allah is One. In Islam, a believer is he who has parched lips and an empty stomach. One whom has self-disciplined himself and has the courage of a lion. In Islam we believe that one should be dutiful to their parents and shouldnt talk back to them. In Islam, in ranking of the important ones in your life, first it is Allah and then second is your Mother. These are some of the Islamic laws, a good portion of that which I mentioned is from the Quran. Almost all of what I mentioned is from the Quran. This is Islam! This is submitting to Allah. Can your Bible compare to this?

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46 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

I think you forgot that we have the graves of the Prophets. You can go visit them. Also you denying the Prophets in the Quran  is denying your own faith in Christianity. This means you dont believe in Moses, Aaron, Abraham, Noah, Lot, Jacob, Joseph, Jonah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Ishmael, Issac, Adam, Elisha and so forth. You deny these Prophets then you deny your Bible because these Prophets are in your Bible and we confirm them in the Quran. Also we have the graves of these Prophets, not Christians so how can you deny it now? The Quran has never been changed. The Bible has been changed. In the Bible, God orders the killing of innocent people. The Quran ordered the Muslims to fight back the disbelievers who were attacking the people. Christians have only the 10 commandments as their laws which means Christians can commit sins like fornication, masturbation, lying, sodomy, solygamy. Churches allow gay marriages even though you believe in Prophet Lot. Muslims declare that gay marriages are illegitimate and the Quran condemns it. In hadith, Prophet Muhammad said Islam is to be good natured. In Islam the poor are not lower than the rich. In Islam, the rich must devote large sums of money to the community. In Islam one must keep their daily prayers to be mindful of Allah. In Islam, one must desire the Hereafter than this world. In Islam one must refrain from anger, impatience, gossiping, in order to be closer to Allah. One must not eat until their stomach gets full as it is unworthy in the eyes of Allah. In Islam one must not waste for Allah likes not those who waste. In Islam one must be chaste. In Islam, Allah likes to see a man spend time with his family rather than that man spend a night in the mosque. In Islam one must be arrogant. In Islam one must be pious. In Islam one must educate himself and be hard working. In Islam one must be clean. In Islam one must lessen their hopes for this world. In Islam one must cut family ties and must stay in touch with family. In Islam, Allah likes those return to him with a wife. In Islam one must be grateful and happy in their life, must be grateful for the life that Allah gave them. The Greatest Jihad in Islam is refraining from the desires of this world. In Islam one must be merciful. In Islam a man must not be a coward. A man must have courage, must not fear anything except for Allah. He who fears Allah and worships him and does good will be greatly rewarded. In the Bible when Adam ate the fruit it narrates that God cursed Adam and Eve. In Islam we narrate that Allah forgave Adam and Eve and that Allah made Adam a Prophet. In Islam we believe that Allah is fair. In Islam we believe that Allah can forgive almost all sins. In Islam we believe that Allah is One. In Islam, a believer is he who has parched lips and an empty stomach. One whom has self-disciplined himself and has the courage of a lion. In Islam we believe that one should be dutiful to their parents and shouldnt talk back to them. In Islam, in ranking of the important ones in your life, first it is Allah and then second is your Mother. These are some of the Islamic laws, a good portion of that which I mentioned is from the Quran. Almost all of what I mentioned is from the Quran. This is Islam! This is submitting to Allah. Can your Bible compare to this?

Some of those you mention are historical persons. But those from earlier than the 1st milennium BC are questionable. If Abraham existed, nobody knows where his grave is. 

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1 hour ago, AfricanShia said:

IChristians have only the 10 commandments as their laws which means Christians can commit sins like fornication, masturbation, lying, sodomy, solygamy.  In Islam the poor are not lower than the rich. In Islam, the rich must devote large sums of money to the community. In Islam one must keep their daily prayers to be mindful of Allah. In Islam, one must desire the Hereafter than this world. In Islam one must refrain from anger, impatience, gossiping, in order to be closer to Allah. In Islam one must be chaste. In Islam one must be pious. In Islam one must educate himself and be hard working.  In Islam one must lessen their hopes for this world.  your Bible compare to this?

Observant Christians refrain from doing all of those negative things and gladly do the positive things.( Unobservant Muslims do all of the negative things and none of the positive. Your point? )As far as the rich and poor go....Jesus himself said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. That's pretty strong preference for the poor there.

So, yes, guess the Bible does a pretty good job of getting the message across.

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2 hours ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Observant Christians refrain from doing all of those negative things and gladly do the positive things.( Unobservant Muslims do all of the negative things and none of the positive. Your point? )As far as the rich and poor go....Jesus himself said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. That's pretty strong preference for the poor there.

So, yes, guess the Bible does a pretty good job of getting the message across.

 

It is one thing to do something voluntarily based on person inclination/opinion and it is another thing be obliged to them because you admit it is the commandment of the creator of universe. It is no longer a question of what you and I say, it is unquestionable.

As such, there will not be two rights but one right and that makes confusion less. When right and wrong is clearly stated there is no need to be confused, confusion leads to priest marrying gay couples in the church. Look today at the western churches, they are trying to "modernize" themselves in a society which is becoming more and more secular, in a society which does not want anything to do with religion. The church is, like Christianity has over time, in my opinion, loosing its essence. Too ready to twist and turn in hopes of pleasing the masses of non believers, as a result you have Christmas trees, the Easter bunny, and the red guy with a big white beard that flies from the north pool in his Coca Cola sponsored wagon, yelling: consume, consume consume!

And somewhere a long the road prophet Issah(as) started to look like a white dude instead of a semite from the middle east...

Speaking of Christianity and its rules, are there any rules with regards to inheritance? God knows how many families have been broken up when the question of inheritance came into their lives.

 

With regards to giving to the poor, you are religiously obliged to do so in Islam, it is not voluntarily, there is a tax system on different wares. As shias we give khums each year which is 20% of our unused money by the end of each year. That is a considerable amount, then there is zakat as well. Then we have sadagah as well, which is the voluntary part, which according to Islam, if done anonymously can make Allah swt forgive some of your sins, not only that but giving for the sake of finding Allahs pleasure actually increases your wealth (rizzq) as promised by Allah swt in the holy Quran, not only that but giving for the sake of finding Allahs pleasure actually makes you avoid personal calamities.

Unfortunately, the shias are not many in the world, nor are people in general generous, especially when it comes to their money (at least they consider it theirs). And they only like to give when everyone is looking so everyone can know how good of a person they are. At least nobody can claim that they were unaware of the obligation of giving.

 

I know there are still good and honorable christians out there who strive to do whats right but unfortunately, telling whats right within the modern christian faith can be tricky and I believe in those cases they follow their fitrah which is basically the "inner muslim(see the definition of the word muslim)", the inborn moral compass that Allah swt as created all humans with, which is also what tells them that it is wrong to kill a defenseless child.

There are very strict and clear rules and regulations within the religion of Islam. When there are not clear rules, humans tend to do whats the easiest option (or what they perceive as easy), which is more often than not, not what is right.

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1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

 

It is one thing to do something voluntarily based on person inclination/opinion and it is another thing be obliged to them because you admit it is the commandment of the creator of universe. It is no longer a question of what you and I say, it is unquestionable.

Well, to quote an old preacher..."they are called the Ten Commandments, not the Ten Suggestions." Lol. As well, in my case, you have apparently not seen a Code of Canon Law. It's as thick as my arm. And I have put on a little weight in my later years.

1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

 

 

As such, there will not be two rights but one right and that makes confusion less. When right and wrong is clearly stated there is no need to be confused, confusion leads to priest marrying gay couples in the church.

 

Only some churches do this. It is up to the denomination. No matter what the Catholic individuals  feel about it, the Catholic Church does not. This seems to be an issue that freaks Muslims out about Christianity as much as " Muslim child brides" freak Christians out about Islam.

 

1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

 

 

Look  today at the western churches, they are trying to "modernize" themselves in a society which is becoming more and more secular, in a society which does not want anything to do with religion. The church is, like Christianity has over time, in my opinion, loosing its essence. Too ready to twist and turn in hopes of pleasing the masses of non believers, as a result you have Christmas trees, the Easter bunny, and the red guy with a big white beard that flies from the north pool in his Coca Cola sponsored wagon, yelling: consume, consume consume!

All those things are cultural,not part of the faith ....Started centuries ago, not recently. You have cultural things going on in Islam, too, according to complaints in this forum. You can find whole swaths of Christianity where there is historically no Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. (Christmas wasn't even celebrated in some of the early US colonies for decades. )And those that do have these customs often do not remember the pagan roots of it. Plus it is not at all essential and many Christians just dump those things. No problem. 

 

1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

 

 

And somewhere a long the road prophet Issah(as) started to look like a white dude instead of a semite from the middle east...

 

 

 

yeah, I find that interesting, too. But folks tend to draw people " in their own image". I've seen Muslim representational art like that. Christianity spent a long time in Europe with European artists.

More later...gotta change a diaper...

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4 hours ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Observant Christians refrain from doing all of those negative things and gladly do the positive things.( Unobservant Muslims do all of the negative things and none of the positive. Your point? )As far as the rich and poor go....Jesus himself said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. That's pretty strong preference for the poor there.

So, yes, guess the Bible does a pretty good job of getting the message across.

Verses please? Oh wait,there is none. :)

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5 hours ago, andres said:

Some of those you mention are historical persons. But those from earlier than the 1st milennium BC are questionable. If Abraham existed, nobody knows where his grave is. 

I think then its time for you to stop. 

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55 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

You aren't Shia.

You cant claim that im not Shia over the internet. Have you met me in person? Do you see the way how I react to others? How do you know whether im typing angrily or with the intention of making fun of you? Thats the problem with the Internet. Also you called my Quran fake. I claimed it was corrupted. Not fake. 

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1 hour ago, Son of Placid said:

You aren't Shia.

You cant claim that im not Shia over the internet. Have you met me in person? Do you see the way how I react to others? How do you know whether im typing angrily or with the intention of making fun of you? Thats the problem with the Internet. Also you called my Quran fake. I claimed the Bible was corrupted. Not fake. 

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5 hours ago, AfricanShia said:

I think then its time for you to stop. 

If you do notwish to defend your statement that Abraham is a historical person and that you know where he is buried, I need not say more.

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6 hours ago, andres said:

If you do notwish to defend your statement that Abraham is a historical person and that you know where he is buried, I need not say more.

I did. Already provided everything to prove you wrong but this is not even a debate anymore. You even gone far to the point whereby where you even contradicted your own beliefs so im done debating. 

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38 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Matthew 19:24 :grin:

One verse only? Also apparently rich men cant enter Allahs kingdom? Thats quite unfair. If that rich man spends his money for good and gives charity and does everything Allah wants him to do then inshallah he will go to heaven. 

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14 hours ago, IbnSina said:

 

Speaking of Christianity and its rules, are there any rules with regards to inheritance? God knows how many families have been broken up when the question of inheritance came into their lives.

 

With regards to giving to the poor, you are religiously obliged to do so in Islam, it is not voluntarily, there is a tax system on different wares. 

 

Due to the advent of the secular state, there are no longer any inheritance rules AFAIK in Christian traditions. You can ask other Christians here if that applies in their area. But I also don't know any families broken up over it, either. The usual formula is : wife gets everything if husband dies and vice versa. When parents die, the children get equal shares. That's the way mine is set up. 

Christians have the tradition of the tithe, which is one tenth of your income to be given to charity and some to support the church. Again, due to the secular state, there is no mechanism to force anyone to give that. State and federal taxes provide money for some services to the poor. However, depending in what list you look at, the US is either at the top or in the top twenty "most charitable" countries.

14 hours ago, IbnSina said:

 

 

 

 

 

I know there are still good and honorable christians out there who strive to do whats right but unfortunately, telling whats right within the modern christian faith can be tricky and I believe in those cases they follow their fitrah which is basically the "inner muslim(see the definition of the word muslim)", the inborn moral compass that Allah swt as created all humans with, which is also what tells them that it is wrong to kill a defenseless child.

There are very strict and clear rules and regulations within the religion of Islam. When there are not clear rules, humans tend to do whats the easiest option (or what they perceive as easy), which is more often than not, not what is right.

Well, Catholics have the concept of "natural law" as well. The rules are pretty well laid out. People decide to break them, but that's not the same thing as not knowing them or being confused.

However, One of the problems I perceive in this forum is the inability for some Muslims to differentiate between simply cultural Christians  as well as  people who come from a historical Christian family but have not themselves ever been initiated into any faith .....and practicing ones.

The US is not a Christian country. Most of the founders were not technically Christians. It is and was meant to be a secular country.  A large chunk of the population  has no religious affiliation in spite of their family background. They would not claim a religion and one should not be assigned to them. Their actions ,good or bad, should not be assigned to any faith, either.

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52 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

I did. Already provided everything to prove you wrong but this is not even a debate anymore. You even gone far to the point whereby where you even contradicted your own beliefs so im done debating. 

By saying Abraham is a mythical person, I say the Bible contains myths. This is my belief. I am not contradicting myself. Every historian today believe so too. Being a conservative Muslim you cant believe so. Its OK. 

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1 minute ago, andres said:

By saying Abraham is a mythical person, I say the Bible contains myths. This is my belief. I am not contradicting myself. Every historian today believe so too. Being a conservative Muslim you cant believe so. Its OK. 

Then dont claim Christianity is the truth. Dont be a Christian then and dont call my Quran fake. 

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10 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

One verse only? Also apparently rich men cant enter Allahs kingdom? Thats quite unfair. If that rich man spends his money for good and gives charity and does everything Allah wants him to do then inshallah he will go to heaven. 

Oh, if you read the NT, you get a good idea of Jesus' feelings regarding the issue. He literally whipped the money-changers out of the Temple.  I just gave you the verse you asked for. And he didn't  say one couldn't get into heaven...said it was difficult. Obviously Jesus felt there was  a problem. Considering the issue with the hoarding of wealth in some quarters and dire poverty in others..l'd say he was right. 

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3 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Oh, if you read the NT, you get a good idea of Jesus' feelings regarding the issue. He literally whipped the money-changers out of the Temple.  I just gave you the verse you asked for. And he didn't  say one couldn't get into heaven...said it was difficult. Obviously Jesus felt there was  a problem. Considering the issue with the hoarding of wealth in some quarters and dire poverty in others..l'd say he was right. 

Its not really difficult for a rich man to get into heaven if he does everything Allah has commanded inshallah.  

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