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Mansur Bakhtiari

Whats with all this Shirazi-Khamenei beef?

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Salam alaikom

Why does it seem that the Shirazis have a "thing" against Khamenei? I always see "Khamenei exposed" videos by Shirazi followers in my youtube recommended, and it's really odd how they don't issue fatwas against disrespecting opposing scholars or just meet up in Qom sometime.

But seriously, whats all that about?

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:salam:

Actually Shirazi and their follower are against these beliefs that anyone helps to Palestinian people , because they are sunni and call them Nasibi.

And they dont agree with unity of shia&Sunni that A.Khamenei accepted that.

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10 minutes ago, Muslim110 said:

Actually Shirazi and their follower are against these beliefs that anyone helps to Palestinian people , because they are sunni and call them Nasibi.

And they dont agree with unity of shia&Sunni that A.Khamenei accepted that.

I don't think they are against supporting Palestine, but they instead stress more importance on supporting things like the Askariyain shrines.

I believe the second point you said is correct though.

wasalam

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41 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

I don't think they are against supporting Palestine, but they instead stress more importance on supporting things like the Askariyain shrines.

I believe the second point you said is correct though.

wasalam

Ayatollah Shirazi's channel told this clearly.

They dont agree helping to palestine.

I wached the channel.

But Ayatollah Khamenei is opposit of them....supporting Palestine and Hizbollah is So important for them.

Edited by Muslim110

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36 minutes ago, Muslim110 said:

Ayatollah Shirazi's channel told this clearly.

They dont agree helping to palestine.

I wached the channel.

What channel are you referring to?

And can you show me a video of this please. 

wasalam

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26 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

What channel are you referring to?

And can you show me a video of this please. 

wasalam

(Imam Hussain 1) Channel.

I watched this video more times...It is in persian Language, Can you understand?

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56 minutes ago, kirtc said:

I think Shirazis go against the tide of progression. They hinder islamic growth. They might as well just become wahhabis and support al saud.

I disagree.

Ayatollah Shirazi has in fact helped the growth of Islam throughout many parts of the world, as a result of his works and organisations.

In fact, recently an Imam Shirazi Islamic Centre has been established in Cuba, and a number of Cubans have embraced Islam as a result of this.

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6 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

I disagree.

Ayatollah Shirazi has in fact helped the growth of Islam throughout many parts of the world, as a result of his works and organisations.

In fact, recently an Imam Shirazi Islamic Centre has been established in Cuba, and a number of Cubans have embraced Islam as a result of this.

I think you dont have enough information about him...

They act with name of shia and islam against shia and Islam !

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7 minutes ago, kirtc said:

oh sorry, well.. emceemo thinks Ayt Khamanei is an oppressor. Just for you to know who you are arguing with.

الله فی عونکم

I think He should know several things.

 

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16 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

I disagree.

Ayatollah Shirazi has in fact helped the growth of Islam throughout many parts of the world, as a result of his works and organisations.

In fact, recently an Imam Shirazi Islamic Centre has been established in Cuba, and a number of Cubans have embraced Islam as a result of this.

Stablishing the Islamic center isnt an important act!

Which is important , is that to Expand Real and true islam without cursing .

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4 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

 @Muslim110 post the video, I speak Persian

As for Palestine, I don't know about Shirazi but his followers have condemned both Israel and the corrupt Palestinian leadership. I believe Yasser al Habib said that

Yasir Al-Habib cursing Ulamas and Ayatollah Bahjat and other....

http://dl.mobarezclip.com/Shirazi-TV.mp4

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they don't believe in political issues and resistance Israel oppose the Islamic Republic and Imam Khomeini and  Imam Khamanei . some people of them hate Hezbullah and say bad words to Hamas and Palestinian Resistance 

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I don't know why you guys made this all up. Makarem Shirazi is a supporter of the Islamic Republic. 

Stop this slander please.

Edited by Faruk

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20 minutes ago, Faruk said:

I don't know why you guys made this all up. Makarem Shirazi is a supporter of the Islamic Republic. 

Stop this slander please.

Brother its not Makarem, we're talking about Sayed Sadiq Shirazi, and the late Sayed Muhammad Hussaini Shirazi.

Their followers often go as far as cursing Sayed Khamenei.

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1 hour ago, Muslim110 said:

Yasir Al-Habib cursing Ulamas and Ayatollah Bahjat and other....

http://dl.mobarezclip.com/Shirazi-TV.mp4

Lol painting all Palestinians with the same, Shia-hating brush.

Has al Habib cursed Ayatollah Bahjat though? I'm going to look that up. I'm pretty sure you're referring to the deviant "Allahyari" guy.

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29 minutes ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Lol painting all Palestinians with the same, Shia-hating brush.

Has al Habib cursed Ayatollah Bahjat though? I'm going to look that up. I'm pretty sure you're referring to the deviant "Allahyari" guy.

Yes Same as that video that i posted the link... I have his cursing about Ulama and call some of them Kafir.

Allahyari is in diffrent bad way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcqrzQvN_Hs

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1 hour ago, Faruk said:

I don't know why you guys made this all up. Makarem Shirazi is a supporter of the Islamic Republic. 

Stop this slander please.

Brother our mean isnt Ayatollah Nasir Makarem Shirazi...We are talking about Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi.

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6 hours ago, Muslim110 said:

Allahyari is in diffrent bad way...

Yeah, he's even gone as far as badmouthing Sayed Reza Shirazi (r) and Allameh Tabatabai (r)............. WHY?

5 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Bro/sis, what exactly is wrong with Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi?

His followers and Khamenei followers don't seem to get along AT ALL. Why don't the two meet up and discuss their differences. I can understand why some Ulema mught be a little pissed at Khamenei though.

But seriously, they should put an end to all this.

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Why we are fighting and slandering other ulema whom we are not following? There are differences among ulemas and that don't give us rights to accuse/allege/slander. None of these ulema are inafallible and hence we should not do worshiping one and slandering others. We should respect all of them irrespective of their personal differences on different subjects. I think moderators should not allow such slandering/accusations. We should behave as true followers of Ahlebait as. None of them has said or done anything against the teachings of Quran and hadith then why so much cry on their viewpoints on worldly affairs?

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guys lets all take it down a level. especially those of us who do not actually know anything about whats going on but reliably know to always repeat "herp derp shirazi r evil mmkay?" lines. 

the shirazi family was a very highly respected line of sayed scholars. lets get that clear from the start. they haven't suddenly popped up out of the ground in the last few years to destroy the glorious iranian revolution. 

they were involved quite heavily in politics, and were behind the tobacco protest in Iran 100ish years ago. 

the split between the shirazi family/ WFers because of a difference in interpretation of what structure the WF should take. the shirazi believe in WF mutlaqa as well, but believe it should be a committee, while sayed khomeini believed it should be a single person. 

after the revolution. the shirazis believed that they would have a larger role in the running of the country, however they were pretty much entirely sidelined. this is the core of the split. 

secondly, they do indeed have a legitimate grievance, with how the funeral of marja taqlid sayed muhammad shirazi was interrupted in the most disgraceful and disrespectful way. I believe that sayed muhammad baqir - again, a fully qualified marja taqlid - was kept under house arrest until he died as well. 

in our lifetimes, we can see that the "cult" of shirazis has grown and expanded all over the world. its just as toxic as the "cult" of WFers. both extremes are morons. both are wrong. both are damaging our ummah. the only difference is that the shirazi cult is always highlighted as the problem, while extreme WFers are tolerated or ignored. right here in the UK for example people are accusing the head of majalis ulema shia of being a "western agent" because, while he is an open WFer himself, he is not pro-WF "enough". 

in terms of attacking other scholars, the core of the issue is actually due to some shia scholars taking parts of their usul/aqeeda from the likes of the filthy maloon ibn arabi - a guy who literally said that shias have the blood of pigs - which many shia feel is not a very smart idea.

you will see scholars who just luuuuurve ibn arabi are the ones being attacked the most. I do not agree with their beliefs myself, I believe that anything which forms part of my aqeeda must only come from the Masumeen (as) and not a sufi heretic who hated shia. but what do I know. 

its easy to whitewash the likes of yasser habib/allahyari/the shirazis/etc because of their lack of akhlaaq or understanding of the implications of what they say in public. especially when it comes to yasser habibs obsession with talking about the male anus on the mimbar.

if they actually stopped being idiots and discussed their differences academically, they would probably have 100X as many followers, since much of what they believe is actually spot on. 

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2 hours ago, haidermpr said:

Why we are fighting and slandering other ulema whom we are not following? There are differences among ulemas and that don't give us rights to accuse/allege/slander. None of these ulema are inafallible and hence we should not do worshiping one and slandering others. We should respect all of them irrespective of their personal differences on different subjects. I think moderators should not allow such slandering/accusations. We should behave as true followers of Ahlebait as. None of them has said or done anything against the teachings of Quran and hadith then why so much cry on their viewpoints on worldly affairs?

I would never slander another Marja. I'm sincerely wondering why there is this argument between followers of Sistani and Khamenei. Thats all.

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4 hours ago, haidermpr said:

Why we are fighting and slandering other ulema whom we are not following? There are differences among ulemas and that don't give us rights to accuse/allege/slander. None of these ulema are inafallible and hence we should not do worshiping one and slandering others. We should respect all of them irrespective of their personal differences on different subjects. I think moderators should not allow such slandering/accusations. We should behave as true followers of Ahlebait as. None of them has said or done anything against the teachings of Quran and hadith then why so much cry on their viewpoints on worldly affairs?

We are not fighting Our Bother, Destroying the Face of shia isn't a common Disscusion ...

It's all of our Religion that anyone Doesn't Most Destroy it.

It's not about little diffrence Between Maraje3 , It's a big problem that Some shias has killed because it.

الله فی عونکم

10 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Bro/sis, what exactly is wrong with Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi?

and the same answer For you , Our wise Brother.

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