Whats with all this Shirazi-Khamenei beef?

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

Salam alaikom

Why does it seem that the Shirazis have a "thing" against Khamenei? I always see "Khamenei exposed" videos by Shirazi followers in my youtube recommended, and it's really odd how they don't issue fatwas against disrespecting opposing scholars or just meet up in Qom sometime.

But seriously, whats all that about?

[Muslim110]

Actually Shirazi and their follower are against these beliefs that anyone helps to Palestinian people , because they are sunni and call them Nasibi.

And they dont agree with unity of shia&Sunni that A.Khamenei accepted that.

[emceemo40]

10 minutes ago, Muslim110 said:

Actually Shirazi and their follower are against these beliefs that anyone helps to Palestinian people , because they are sunni and call them Nasibi.

And they dont agree with unity of shia&Sunni that A.Khamenei accepted that.

I don't think they are against supporting Palestine, but they instead stress more importance on supporting things like the Askariyain shrines.

I believe the second point you said is correct though.

wasalam

[Muslim110]

41 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

I don't think they are against supporting Palestine, but they instead stress more importance on supporting things like the Askariyain shrines.

I believe the second point you said is correct though.

wasalam

Ayatollah Shirazi's channel told this clearly.

They dont agree helping to palestine.

I wached the channel.

But Ayatollah Khamenei is opposit of them....supporting Palestine and Hizbollah is So important for them.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Muslim110

[Muslim110]

5 minutes ago, kirtc said:

they have the bassira of a toothpick... 

Basirah

Wich basirah u mean...

Edited June 4, 2017 by Muslim110

[Muslim110]

2 minutes ago, kirtc said:

Wisdom*

Hmm...Are you agree with Ayatollah Shirazi's beliefs?

Edited June 4, 2017 by Muslim110

[Muslim110]

1 minute ago, kirtc said:

I think Shirazis go against the tide of progression. They hinder islamic growth. They might as well just become wahhabis and support al saud.

I think they are shameful face of Islam and Shia.

[emceemo40]

36 minutes ago, Muslim110 said:

Ayatollah Shirazi's channel told this clearly.

They dont agree helping to palestine.

I wached the channel.

What channel are you referring to?

And can you show me a video of this please. 

wasalam

[Muslim110]

26 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

What channel are you referring to?

And can you show me a video of this please. 

wasalam

(Imam Hussain 1) Channel.

I watched this video more times...It is in persian Language, Can you understand?

[emceemo40]

56 minutes ago, kirtc said:

I think Shirazis go against the tide of progression. They hinder islamic growth. They might as well just become wahhabis and support al saud.

I disagree.

Ayatollah Shirazi has in fact helped the growth of Islam throughout many parts of the world, as a result of his works and organisations.

In fact, recently an Imam Shirazi Islamic Centre has been established in Cuba, and a number of Cubans have embraced Islam as a result of this.

[emceemo40]

2 minutes ago, Muslim110 said:

I watched this video more times...It is in persian Language, Can you understand?

Unfortunately not.

[Muslim110]

6 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

I disagree.

Ayatollah Shirazi has in fact helped the growth of Islam throughout many parts of the world, as a result of his works and organisations.

In fact, recently an Imam Shirazi Islamic Centre has been established in Cuba, and a number of Cubans have embraced Islam as a result of this.

I think you dont have enough information about him...

They act with name of shia and islam against shia and Islam !

Edited June 4, 2017 by Muslim110

[Muslim110]

1 minute ago, kirtc said:

dont waste your energy sister

Who told you im sister or brother !

No problem... its my habit to disscuss

[Muslim110]

7 minutes ago, kirtc said:

oh sorry, well.. emceemo thinks Ayt Khamanei is an oppressor. Just for you to know who you are arguing with.

الله فی عونکم

I think He should know several things.

 

Edited June 4, 2017 by Muslim110

[Muslim110]

16 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

I disagree.

Ayatollah Shirazi has in fact helped the growth of Islam throughout many parts of the world, as a result of his works and organisations.

In fact, recently an Imam Shirazi Islamic Centre has been established in Cuba, and a number of Cubans have embraced Islam as a result of this.

Stablishing the Islamic center isnt an important act!

Which is important , is that to Expand Real and true islam without cursing .

Edited June 4, 2017 by Muslim110

[Pearl178]

Do you think the media tends to amplify things like this? 

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

 @Muslim110 post the video, I speak Persian

As for Palestine, I don't know about Shirazi but his followers have condemned both Israel and the corrupt Palestinian leadership. I believe Yasser al Habib said that

[Muslim110]

4 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

 @Muslim110 post the video, I speak Persian

As for Palestine, I don't know about Shirazi but his followers have condemned both Israel and the corrupt Palestinian leadership. I believe Yasser al Habib said that

Yasir Al-Habib cursing Ulamas and Ayatollah Bahjat and other....

http://dl.mobarezclip.com/Shirazi-TV.mp4

[amr]

they don't believe in political issues and resistance Israel oppose the Islamic Republic and Imam Khomeini and  Imam Khamanei . some people of them hate Hezbullah and say bad words to Hamas and Palestinian Resistance 

[Faruk]

I don't know why you guys made this all up. Makarem Shirazi is a supporter of the Islamic Republic. 

Stop this slander please.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Faruk

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

20 minutes ago, Faruk said:

I don't know why you guys made this all up. Makarem Shirazi is a supporter of the Islamic Republic. 

Stop this slander please.

Brother its not Makarem, we're talking about Sayed Sadiq Shirazi, and the late Sayed Muhammad Hussaini Shirazi.

Their followers often go as far as cursing Sayed Khamenei.

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

1 hour ago, Muslim110 said:

Yasir Al-Habib cursing Ulamas and Ayatollah Bahjat and other....

http://dl.mobarezclip.com/Shirazi-TV.mp4

Lol painting all Palestinians with the same, Shia-hating brush.

Has al Habib cursed Ayatollah Bahjat though? I'm going to look that up. I'm pretty sure you're referring to the deviant "Allahyari" guy.

[Muslim110]

29 minutes ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Lol painting all Palestinians with the same, Shia-hating brush.

Has al Habib cursed Ayatollah Bahjat though? I'm going to look that up. I'm pretty sure you're referring to the deviant "Allahyari" guy.

Yes Same as that video that i posted the link... I have his cursing about Ulama and call some of them Kafir.

Allahyari is in diffrent bad way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcqrzQvN_Hs

Edited June 5, 2017 by Muslim110

[Muslim110]

1 hour ago, Faruk said:

I don't know why you guys made this all up. Makarem Shirazi is a supporter of the Islamic Republic. 

Stop this slander please.

Brother our mean isnt Ayatollah Nasir Makarem Shirazi...We are talking about Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, Muslim110 said:

We are talking about Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi.

Bro/sis, what exactly is wrong with Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi?

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

6 hours ago, Muslim110 said:

Allahyari is in diffrent bad way...

Yeah, he's even gone as far as badmouthing Sayed Reza Shirazi (r) and Allameh Tabatabai (r)............. WHY?

5 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Bro/sis, what exactly is wrong with Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi?

His followers and Khamenei followers don't seem to get along AT ALL. Why don't the two meet up and discuss their differences. I can understand why some Ulema mught be a little pissed at Khamenei though.

But seriously, they should put an end to all this.

[haidermpr]

Why we are fighting and slandering other ulema whom we are not following? There are differences among ulemas and that don't give us rights to accuse/allege/slander. None of these ulema are inafallible and hence we should not do worshiping one and slandering others. We should respect all of them irrespective of their personal differences on different subjects. I think moderators should not allow such slandering/accusations. We should behave as true followers of Ahlebait as. None of them has said or done anything against the teachings of Quran and hadith then why so much cry on their viewpoints on worldly affairs?

[DigitalUmmah]

guys lets all take it down a level. especially those of us who do not actually know anything about whats going on but reliably know to always repeat "herp derp shirazi r evil mmkay?" lines. 

the shirazi family was a very highly respected line of sayed scholars. lets get that clear from the start. they haven't suddenly popped up out of the ground in the last few years to destroy the glorious iranian revolution. 

they were involved quite heavily in politics, and were behind the tobacco protest in Iran 100ish years ago. 

the split between the shirazi family/ WFers because of a difference in interpretation of what structure the WF should take. the shirazi believe in WF mutlaqa as well, but believe it should be a committee, while sayed khomeini believed it should be a single person. 

after the revolution. the shirazis believed that they would have a larger role in the running of the country, however they were pretty much entirely sidelined. this is the core of the split. 

secondly, they do indeed have a legitimate grievance, with how the funeral of marja taqlid sayed muhammad shirazi was interrupted in the most disgraceful and disrespectful way. I believe that sayed muhammad baqir - again, a fully qualified marja taqlid - was kept under house arrest until he died as well. 

in our lifetimes, we can see that the "cult" of shirazis has grown and expanded all over the world. its just as toxic as the "cult" of WFers. both extremes are morons. both are wrong. both are damaging our ummah. the only difference is that the shirazi cult is always highlighted as the problem, while extreme WFers are tolerated or ignored. right here in the UK for example people are accusing the head of majalis ulema shia of being a "western agent" because, while he is an open WFer himself, he is not pro-WF "enough". 

in terms of attacking other scholars, the core of the issue is actually due to some shia scholars taking parts of their usul/aqeeda from the likes of the filthy maloon ibn arabi - a guy who literally said that shias have the blood of pigs - which many shia feel is not a very smart idea.

you will see scholars who just luuuuurve ibn arabi are the ones being attacked the most. I do not agree with their beliefs myself, I believe that anything which forms part of my aqeeda must only come from the Masumeen (as) and not a sufi heretic who hated shia. but what do I know. 

its easy to whitewash the likes of yasser habib/allahyari/the shirazis/etc because of their lack of akhlaaq or understanding of the implications of what they say in public. especially when it comes to yasser habibs obsession with talking about the male anus on the mimbar.

if they actually stopped being idiots and discussed their differences academically, they would probably have 100X as many followers, since much of what they believe is actually spot on. 

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

2 hours ago, haidermpr said:

Why we are fighting and slandering other ulema whom we are not following? There are differences among ulemas and that don't give us rights to accuse/allege/slander. None of these ulema are inafallible and hence we should not do worshiping one and slandering others. We should respect all of them irrespective of their personal differences on different subjects. I think moderators should not allow such slandering/accusations. We should behave as true followers of Ahlebait as. None of them has said or done anything against the teachings of Quran and hadith then why so much cry on their viewpoints on worldly affairs?

I would never slander another Marja. I'm sincerely wondering why there is this argument between followers of Sistani and Khamenei. Thats all.

[Muslim110]

4 hours ago, haidermpr said:

Why we are fighting and slandering other ulema whom we are not following? There are differences among ulemas and that don't give us rights to accuse/allege/slander. None of these ulema are inafallible and hence we should not do worshiping one and slandering others. We should respect all of them irrespective of their personal differences on different subjects. I think moderators should not allow such slandering/accusations. We should behave as true followers of Ahlebait as. None of them has said or done anything against the teachings of Quran and hadith then why so much cry on their viewpoints on worldly affairs?

We are not fighting Our Bother, Destroying the Face of shia isn't a common Disscusion ...

It's all of our Religion that anyone Doesn't Most Destroy it.

It's not about little diffrence Between Maraje3 , It's a big problem that Some shias has killed because it.

الله فی عونکم

10 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Bro/sis, what exactly is wrong with Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi?

and the same answer For you , Our wise Brother.

[Al Hadi]

On 6/5/2017 at 7:09 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

guys lets all take it down a level. especially those of us who do not actually know anything about whats going on but reliably know to always repeat "herp derp shirazi r evil mmkay?" lines. 

the shirazi family was a very highly respected line of sayed scholars. lets get that clear from the start. they haven't suddenly popped up out of the ground in the last few years to destroy the glorious iranian revolution. 

they were involved quite heavily in politics, and were behind the tobacco protest in Iran 100ish years ago. 

the split between the shirazi family/ WFers because of a difference in interpretation of what structure the WF should take. the shirazi believe in WF mutlaqa as well, but believe it should be a committee, while sayed khomeini believed it should be a single person. 

after the revolution. the shirazis believed that they would have a larger role in the running of the country, however they were pretty much entirely sidelined. this is the core of the split. 

secondly, they do indeed have a legitimate grievance, with how the funeral of marja taqlid sayed muhammad shirazi was interrupted in the most disgraceful and disrespectful way. I believe that sayed muhammad baqir - again, a fully qualified marja taqlid - was kept under house arrest until he died as well. 

in our lifetimes, we can see that the "cult" of shirazis has grown and expanded all over the world. its just as toxic as the "cult" of WFers. both extremes are morons. both are wrong. both are damaging our ummah. the only difference is that the shirazi cult is always highlighted as the problem, while extreme WFers are tolerated or ignored. right here in the UK for example people are accusing the head of majalis ulema shia of being a "western agent" because, while he is an open WFer himself, he is not pro-WF "enough". 

in terms of attacking other scholars, the core of the issue is actually due to some shia scholars taking parts of their usul/aqeeda from the likes of the filthy maloon ibn arabi - a guy who literally said that shias have the blood of pigs - which many shia feel is not a very smart idea.

you will see scholars who just luuuuurve ibn arabi are the ones being attacked the most. I do not agree with their beliefs myself, I believe that anything which forms part of my aqeeda must only come from the Masumeen (as) and not a sufi heretic who hated shia. but what do I know. 

its easy to whitewash the likes of yasser habib/allahyari/the shirazis/etc because of their lack of akhlaaq or understanding of the implications of what they say in public. especially when it comes to yasser habibs obsession with talking about the male anus on the mimbar.

if they actually stopped being idiots and discussed their differences academically, they would probably have 100X as many followers, since much of what they believe is actually spot on. 

1.they aren't idiots. I also thought you weren't an usooli? Maybe I misunderstood. 

you can't say one is labeled more as evil when you have so many YouTube videos attacking ayatollah khamenei(ha). As for the example you mentioned I don't know the entire situation so I can't comment. I'll say though that shirazis earn their mark with their generally terrible insight, sticking on the side of the oppressors and not standing with the oppressed Simply because they believe in folding their hands while they pray. They go around disrespecting people's faith with no morality or ethics making Ahlulbayt(as) look like a bunch of angry and dogmatic people hellbent on insulting the people they respect. They insult Shia scholars (even ones that don't openly acknowledge ibn arabi beliefs like Shaykh Isa qassim(ha) where that filthy yasir habib calls him something along the lines of a worm) shaykh bahjat(ra) has been insulted by their likes @Mansur Bakhtiari just watch mujtaba Shirazi those videos are public. I even heard that filth insulted shaykh waheed.

those and more are why people don't like Shirazis in my view I feel they will go and fight the imam(as) of the time when he comes.

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

3 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

1.they aren't idiots. I also thought you weren't an usooli? Maybe I misunderstood. 

you can't say one is labeled more as evil when you have so many YouTube videos attacking ayatollah khamenei(ha). As for the example you mentioned I don't know the entire situation so I can't comment. I'll say though that shirazis earn their mark with their generally terrible insight, sticking on the side of the oppressors and not standing with the oppressed Simply because they believe in folding their hands while they pray. They go around disrespecting people's faith with no morality or ethics making Ahlulbayt(as) look like a bunch of angry and dogmatic people hellbent on insulting the people they respect. They insult Shia scholars (even ones that don't openly acknowledge ibn arabi beliefs like Shaykh Isa qassim(ha) where that filthy yasir habib calls him something along the lines of a worm) shaykh bahjat(ra) has been insulted by their likes @Mansur Bakhtiari just watch mujtaba Shirazi those videos are public. I even heard that filth insulted shaykh waheed.

those and more are why people don't like Shirazis in my view I feel they will go and fight the imam(as) of the time when he comes.

On Mujtaba Shirazi and his obvious extremism, I think @DigitalUmmahhas already spoken my thoughts.

On 6/5/2017 at 7:09 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

both extremes are morons. 

if they actually stopped being idiots and discussed their differences academically, they would probably have 100X as many followers, since much of what they believe is actually spot on. 

As for videos attacking Sayed Khamenei, made by many channels such as Pearls of Islam, AbuBakrZindiq and Aisha Kafira, that should definitely be condemned. And as for videos done by many WF'ers calling Yasser al Habib, Sayed Shirazi, so on agents of the West, as even Sayed Nasrullah has stooped down to that level, is a lame excuse, really. These people make their earnings off of donations from their followers, not 100 Shekel bills stuck in love notes from the FBI. It also doesn't help referring to Khamenei as "leader of the muslim ummah," as the bulk of the Muslim Ummah does not follow him in matters of fiqh, etc.

If we don't recognize that there are extremists on both sides, then we will get nowhere. The two Sayeds are grown men. Their followers are grown men. Why not meet up and resolve this! Issues regarding some Shirazi affiliates like Al Habib and Tawhidi can be discussed. Khamenei's stance on Muslim "unity," and his relations with Hezbollah which many Shirazi followers are critical of, can be discussed. We need to end this stupidity and extremism and replace it with dialogue.

[Al Hadi]

8 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

On Mujtaba Shirazi and his obvious extremism, I think @DigitalUmmahhas already spoken my thoughts.

As for videos attacking Sayed Khamenei, made by many channels such as Pearls of Islam, AbuBakrZindiq and Aisha Kafira, that should definitely be condemned. And as for videos done by many WF'ers calling Yasser al Habib, Sayed Shirazi, so on agents of the West, as even Sayed Nasrullah has stooped down to that level, is a lame excuse, really. These people make their earnings off of donations from their followers, not 100 Shekel bills stuck in love notes from the FBI. It also doesn't help referring to Khamenei as "leader of the muslim ummah," as the bulk of the Muslim Ummah does not follow him in matters of fiqh, etc.

If we don't recognize that there are extremists on both sides, then we will get nowhere. The two Sayeds are grown men. Their followers are grown men. Why not meet up and resolve this! Issues regarding some Shirazi affiliates like Al Habib and Tawhidi can be discussed. Khamenei's stance on Muslim "unity," and his relations with Hezbollah which many Shirazi followers are critical of, can be discussed. We need to end this stupidity and extremism and replace it with dialogue.

Well keep in mind the ones calling them agents of the west, are ulema themselves just search on google "sadiq Shirazi mi6" and see what you find.

the difference is when they do that 1. They have a lot of evidence some of which I have seen myself which is already convincing. 

2. They don't call sadiq shirazi or habib a zindiq, kafir or najis. I can't say the same for the other side though. 

As for khamenei being the leader I know many Shia who don't follow him for taqleed that say he is "the leader". He is the leader of our political and social affairs not everyone's Fiqh. He is only the leader of people's Fiqh who accept him as their marja taqleed. Many Iran don't do his taqleed but on political issues they all do (or at least generally speaking). This is how he is the leader. I believe the most followed marja in Iran is shaykh makarem. Yet again on political issues Khamenei(ha) is the one who people follow there. And we should be the same. 

 

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

17 hours ago, kirtc said:

WF is a blessed movement on uniting  shia under the banner of fighting oppression. In Lebanon Hizbullah is a pure shia movement that has pure intentions. They do not want to take over the world! They dont even take over any non shia neighbouring villages, even though they could in minutes if they wanted to. All they want to do is defend their people and liberate their lands from Israeli and takfiri weeds. THIS is a legitimate form of jihad that is justified! These people are the nicest most pious people I have met. You look at their faces, they are shia men smiling and loving. They dont fight for money, nor do they do it to expand their power. They fight as a service to God and ahul beyt.

So when you have any idiots that come and call sayyed hassan or sayyed khamanei an oppresor. he is sowing discord among shia. WF is a nation with army ranks and when you have people trying to shake the leadership of these ranks especially shia, he will be treated as an enemy.

people like SCers above are too immature to understand what these people are doing for them. Their ego wont let him conform to a foreign form of leadership which is the exact same problem as shirazi. They want to share power! It is all about power for them. This is not about power. 

Any movement needs a leader! not a committee. A leader that we trust is guided by Allah. and al hamdellah our leaders have shown to have light in them, while others only preach hate and hasbara. with idiotic subjects like tatbir and lanat being their problems. like little damn kids. 

 

The only real issue people had is when Sayed Nasrullah, whom I do respect very much, called Aisha Ummul Momineed and Sayeda. That obviously is an odd statement to come from a Shia. Of course I believe Hezbollah and WF are legitimate, blessed movements based on uniting Islam, but that doesn't mean it's free from being critiqued. If the Shirazi's don't agree with this system, they, as scholars, have a right to do so.

We shouldn't act like kids, especially not scholars. It's upon the both Sayeds to sort out this dilemme, really. Its a drain on the shia community.

11 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

Well keep in mind the ones calling them agents of the west, are ulema themselves just search on google "sadiq Shirazi mi6" and see what you find.

the difference is when they do that 1. They have a lot of evidence some of which I have seen myself which is already convincing. 

2. They don't call sadiq shirazi or habib a zindiq, kafir or najis. I can't say the same for the other side though. 

 

I found nothing except for 2 news articles and a video in urdu.

[Al Hadi]

1 hour ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

I found nothing except for 2 news articles and a video in urdu.

Still something though right? But look at the content though. The scholar in the article ayatollah araki(ha) is very credible and he isn't acting like mujtaba shirazi when he is making his claims either. 

However what you found just now should already stir some suspicion, especially when you found it that easy. Imagine what happens when you actually search deeper like I have. As well as reflect on the information and take things in to context. Take into account the persons followers as well and things become pretty clear.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Al Hadi