Thoughts on Malcolm X

[sidnaq]

What are your opinions on Malcolm X

 

[Muhammed Ali]

The Muslim world today needs spokespeople like Malcolm X. Was it his early controversial views that got the media listening to him? Or was it mainly his charisma?

Edited May 30, 2017 by Muhammed Ali

[sidnaq]

42 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

The Muslim world today needs spokespeople like Malcolm X. Was it his early controversial views that got the media listening to him? Or was it mainly his charisma?

hmmm charisma, i never thought of him like that before, mainly he made strong points .He had a view and he wanted people to see it from his perspective so ibelieve his changed peoples perspectives with strong, intellectual arguments with good choices of words to help describe his argument further.

[Ali_Hussain]

28 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

hmmm charisma, i never thought of him like that before, mainly he made strong points .He had a view and he wanted people to see it from his perspective so ibelieve his changed peoples perspectives with strong, intellectual arguments with good choices of words to help describe his argument further.

...He was Sunni 

[DigitalUmmah]

1 hour ago, Ali_Hussain said:

...He was Sunni 

Im certain that if he lived, he would have been part of the Iranian Revolution. he was already on the path towards shiism by become a sufi, and had a similar mindset to the people behind the uprising against the shah. maybe he would have been some sort of representative in the US or something I dont know. 

[notme]

1 hour ago, Ali_Hussain said:

...He was Sunni 

He was a work in progress, like most of us. 

[AfricanShia]

1 hour ago, Ali_Hussain said:

...He was Sunni 

You cant blame him. He knew little about Islam. 

[Ali_Hussain]

The op clearly has issues with Sunnis generally,  as her numerous threads have shown.  Why the exception in this case?

Also people are making quite wild assumptions, we have no way of knowing how his beliefs would have evolved.

If people are willing to give Malcom X the benefit of the doubt, what is with all the hate on this forum? Should everyone not deserve the same courtesy? 

Bottom line is that it isn't logical to give him a pass. The same way that it wasn't logical to give Muhammad Ali (tthe boxer) a pass.

[Soldiers and Saffron]

2 hours ago, Ali_Hussain said:

...He was Sunni 

I think if he would have lived long enough he would have for sure become shia, as he said:

 

[DigitalUmmah]

43 minutes ago, Ali_Hussain said:

Bottom line is that it isn't logical to give him a pass. The same way that it wasn't logical to give Muhammad Ali (tthe boxer) a pass.

you take that back you heretic! the man was a saint! A SAINT! 

no seriously though, I agree with you on this. he almost became a cult like figure of reveration for millions of people. it was weird. as a lifelong boxing fan, I respect his achievements in the ring and unique fighting style and all time greatest fights. but he had some serious issues. his treatment of joe frazier was nothing short of disgraceful. frazier refused to talk to Ali again again until he died. lets not talk about Ali's insatiable womanising either. in terms of religion he followed a nakshabandi tariqat i believe. Our Imams (as) absolutely loathed the sufi. 

I think malcolm X was cut from the same cloth. yes he was a great and charismatic person, but certainly flawed. I know he became a sufi after hajj when he separated from the NoI. becoming shia for a man of his intellect would be almost guaranteed. 

shout out to brother @baradar_jackson who convinced me that Malcolm X could have been a revolutionary if he lived 

[AfricanShia]

23 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

you take that back you heretic! the man was a saint! A SAINT! 

no seriously though, I agree with you on this. he almost became a cult like figure of reveration for millions of people. it was weird. as a lifelong boxing fan, I respect his achievements in the ring and unique fighting style and all time greatest fights. but he had some serious issues. his treatment of joe frazier was nothing short of disgraceful. frazier refused to talk to Ali again again until he died. lets not talk about Ali's insatiable womanising either. in terms of religion he followed a nakshabandi tariqat i believe. Our Imams (as) absolutely loathed the sufi. 

I think malcolm X was cut from the same cloth. yes he was a great and charismatic person, but certainly flawed. I know he became a sufi after hajj when he separated from the NoI. becoming shia for a man of his intellect would be almost guaranteed. 

shout out to brother @baradar_jackson who convinced me that Malcolm X could have been a revolutionary if he lived 

HEY! ENOUGH! no insulting anybody here. 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

@sidnaq I am kind of iffy on Malcolm X,but I won't deny his influence on me. Learning about him opened the possibility of Islam for me but like Notme said, he was a work in progress. He was incredibly racist during his NOI days.

@DigitalUmmah There's no evidence that I am aware of that's Malcolm was a Sufi and I have to disagree with Baradar Jackson, I don't think that Malcolm would have entertained the idea of WF nor do I do think that he would have been Shia.

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

Lol some Muslims admire guys like Obama, Hillary, the British Government, but we loathe someone who stood for justice his whole life because of his religious beliefs.

Malcolm was treated unjustly and killed unjustly. Shouldn't we take his side?

[ShiaBrother12]

5 hours ago, sidnaq said:

What are your opinions on Malcolm X

 

Malcolm x was a hero.

[notme]

22 minutes ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Lol some Muslims admire guys like Obama, Hillary

Wait. There's people who admire Hilary?

Malcom X was killed unjustly, but I'm not sure which "side" you want to take. He was a fallible human with strengths and weaknesses like everyone. Rather than following a person, wouldn't it be better to follow the ideas?

[sidnaq]

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@sidnaq I am kind of iffy on Malcolm X,but I won't deny his influence on me. Learning about him opened the possibility of Islam for me but like Notme said, he was a work in progress. He was incredibly racist during his NOI days.

@DigitalUmmah There's no evidence that I am aware of that's Malcolm was a Sufi and I have to disagree with Baradar Jackson, I don't think that Malcolm would have entertained the idea of WF nor do I do think that he would have been Shia.

hmm i see brother, thats great he introduced the idea of islam to you,btw what do you mean by racist? he wasnt racist towards his black brothers, and i never heard anything about him being against asians or arabs either.  

[sidnaq]

3 hours ago, Ali_Hussain said:

The op clearly has issues with Sunnis generally,  as her numerous threads have shown.  Why the exception in this case?

Also people are making quite wild assumptions, we have no way of knowing how his beliefs would have evolved.

If people are willing to give Malcom X the benefit of the doubt, what is with all the hate on this forum? Should everyone not deserve the same courtesy? 

Bottom line is that it isn't logical to give him a pass. The same way that it wasn't logical to give Muhammad Ali (tthe boxer) a pass.

i dont have a problem with usnnis in general, just when i take islam from their side. and with malcolm he spoke more about racial related issues, id might problems if he spoke about noi tho

[Gaius I. Caesar]

He was racist towards white people in his NOI days, calling white people "blue eyed devils" and encouraging people in a speech to kill "whitey".

This goes against the teachings of Islam, Sidnaq. Luckily,the Hajj made him realize the error of his ways.

10 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

hmm i see brother, thats great he introduced the idea of islam to you,btw what do you mean by racist? he wasnt racist towards his black brothers, and i never heard anything about him being against asians or arabs either.  

 

[sidnaq]

12 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

He was racist towards white people in his NOI days, calling white people "blue eyed devils" and encouraging people in a speech to kill "whitey".

This goes against the teachings of Islam, Sidnaq. Luckily,the Hajj made him realize the error of his ways.

 

hmm i see, yes i do remember reading these things.I understand your view better now gaius.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

16 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

hmm i see, yes i do remember reading these things.I understand your view better now gaius.

Nothing wrong with admiring him or listening to him, just understand that he is a flawed individual who is lionized and put on a pedestal which can skew your perspective of him as a man.

Edited May 30, 2017 by Gaius I. Caesar

[sidnaq]

50 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Nothing wrong with admiring him or listening to him, just understand that he is a flawed individual who is lionized and put on a pedestal which can skew your perspective of him as a man.

he isnt flawed in my opinion.. but yes one shouldnt put ppl on a pedestal

[notme]

3 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

he isnt flawed in my opinion.. but yes one shouldnt put ppl on a pedestal

Every non-masoom is flawed. 

[Qa'im]

Whether or not he "would've" become Shi`i, I believe Malcolm died as a martyr, because he died upon the best knowledge that he had at that time. He had barely been back from Hajj when he was killed, and he corrected his views on tawhid, nubuwwa, and qiyama. We don't know what he would have done had he lived until now - he could've gone back to the NOI or left Islam altogether - but he died in the best state he could be in given his circumstances in 1965 America. This same logic applies across the board.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

29 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

he isnt flawed in my opinion.. but yes one shouldnt put ppl on a pedestal

Then you don't really know much about him if you don't think he is flawed.

[sidnaq]

8 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Then you don't really know much about him if you don't think he is flawed.

i read about him, what do you think is flawed about another human being.

[sidnaq]

8 hours ago, notme said:

Every non-masoom is flawed. 

yes but can i call you flawed...it wouldnt be right, but yes every non masoom has isnt perfect, i never thought he was the perfect human being, just i only see his strengths not his weakness.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 minute ago, sidnaq said:

i read about him, what do you think is flawed about another human being.

Humans in general? Everything. Malcolm X? He was a little bit milliant in his approach and did stroke the flames of racial tension, never really knew what Islam was about unfortunately. He may have repented of his previous views but the damage, from my perspective, was already done.

Without him, there would have no Black Panthers or other various black power groups. 

16 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

just i only see his strengths not his weakness.

Then read about him so you can see both sides of the man. Seeing strengths and weaknesses in someone who is not a masoom is not a sin, sis. Seeing only the strengths of someone is putting them on a pedestal, which you agree with me is wrong and willful ignorance. Willful ignorance should be considered a sin.

[sidnaq]

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Humans in general? Everything. Malcolm X? He was a little bit milliant in his approach and did stroke the flames of racial tension, never really knew what Islam was about unfortunately. He may have repented of his previous views but the damage, from my perspective, was already done.

Without him, there would have no Black Panthers or other various black power groups. 

Then read about him so you can see both sides of the man. Seeing strengths and weaknesses in someone who is not a masoom is not a sin, sis. Seeing only the strengths of someone is putting them on a pedestal, which you agree with me is wrong and willful ignorance. Willful ignorance should be considered a sin.

hmm i see your point,, but what i mean to say is i see more of his strengths than weaknesses, not to say he doesnt have any.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

6 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

hmm i see your point,, but what i mean to say is i see more of his strengths than weaknesses, not to say he doesnt have any.

Ah I see, but be careful with him as usual, sis. I don't really see him as a spiritual leader, his main thing was black rights which was a good thing but the way he did it was questionable. Just my opinion, I think he did more harm than good for the black people.

[sidnaq]

9 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Ah I see, but be careful with him as usual, sis. I don't really see him as a spiritual leader, his main thing was black rights which was a good thing but the way he did it was questionable. Just my opinion, I think he did more harm than good for the black people.

no brother, i dont listen to him for spiritual reasons, just his view points on racial issues , if he would speak about islam, i would take the general islamic points.

[notme]

1 hour ago, sidnaq said:

no brother, i dont listen to him for spiritual reasons, just his view points on racial issues 

But aren't his racial views, at least prior to his hajj, counter to the teachings of Islam?

[sidnaq]

2 minutes ago, notme said:

But aren't his racial views, at least prior to his hajj, counter to the teachings of Islam?

what do you think of the lecture, i posted above, haveyou listened to any of his lectures  ?

[notme]

6 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

what do you think of the lecture, i posted above, haveyou listened to any of his lectures  ?

Actually, no I haven't.  I saw a movie about him once, but it was probably not 100% factual, and I've read some things.  

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, sidnaq said:

what do you think of the lecture, i posted above, haveyou listened to any of his lectures  ?

Well, it was recorded during his NOI days, pretty aggressive in tone. A lot of these "Uncle Toms" he complains about are more remembered and talked about in school than he is. So clearly, they must have done something right.

And the black supremacist ideology is as it sounds to me, nonsense like the white variety, Sidnaq.

You would be better off watching Rajabali instead.

[Panzerwaffe]

Blacks in america need someone to blame all the time everyone but themselves   , nothing new ...but malcom x was a true revolutionary and as pointed out was changing his racist views ..RIP