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How to counter suicide bombing apologists

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Salam, Ya Ali (as) Madad, Lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

Aliun Wali Allah Wajib

BAR MUQASSIRREEN LANAT

Allahs curse be upon the tyrants, the murderers of children, the bombers of women and non combatants, the sons of yazeed, the cowards who take part in, organise, agree with or argue for suicide bombings. may all of them be cast into the deepest pit of hellfire together, and may their victims gain all their good deads and enjoyment from watching their suffering.

these are the justifications that the salafi death cult/ wobblers/ apologists use to justify suicide bombings. 

we need to discuss each one individually as a resource to counter the points if they are raised in the future. so if someone googles something like "why do suicide bombers blow themselves up" hopefully this thread will be pretty high up so they can understand how stupid the ideology is, and see that all muslims hate it, and most importantly that we have proofs against it. 

(1) Allah knows the intention. if someone is raised and educated in an environment where they genuinely believe that they have to carry out a suicide bomb for the sake of the ummah which is under attack, and 100% believe they are doing it for allahs pleasure, is Allah going to send them to hell? 

(2) they have no other weapons so must use their bodies to destroy the enemies of Allah

(3) everyone has committed sins, so if a suicide bomb kills you, Allah put you in that path to be punished so you can die with your sins cleansed and enter heaven

(4) anyone not on their specific interpretation of islam deserves to be killed

(5) they are in a state of jihad, so some rules of sharia are abandonned for the greater good of the ummah

(6) <insert a number>> of virgins waiting for heavenly shenanigans. 

(7) the suicide bomber is a "mujahid" so all his sins are forgiven

how will you/ we reply to each one, and can you think of any points that I have not thought of?

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3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(4) anyone not on their specific interpretation of islam deserves to be killed

That's not how the Prophet saw things......

3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(7) the suicide bomber is a "mujahid" so all his sins are forgiven

Well, it depends. He is killing innocent people while he kills himself. He might not even accomplish something for the sake of Islam. If you are carrying out a suicide bombing against, lets say, a concert, what the hell does it do for the suffering Muslims you claim to stand for?

3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(5) they are in a state of jihad, so some rules of sharia are abandonned for the greater good of the ummah

The chances are, this hypothetical bombing won't do anything for the Ummah

3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

3) everyone has committed sins, so if a suicide bomb kills you, Allah put you in that path to be punished so you can die with your sins cleansed and enter heaven

The Jews who opposed Rasul Allah (saw) were killed and destroyed. Does that mean they also go to heaven?

3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

S(2) they have no other weapons so must use their bodies to destroy the enemies of Allah

go volunteer in Yemen for two years with a humanitarian organization.

3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

6) <insert a number>> of virgins waiting for heavenly shenanigans. 

 

I hope you get male virgins in hell.

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33 minutes ago, notme said:

I can't even believe that apologists exist. I'd carefully watch anyone who tries to justify murder of innocents. 

its common as hell.

many sunni think its ok so long as the victims are not sunni. shia have been getting blown up daily for 20 years in pakistan. where is the "unity"? oh yeah, it doesn't exist in the real world. 

often the response is "more children die in syria, so what?". I think belittling it is akin to being an apologist. 

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1 minute ago, DigitalUmmah said:

often the response is "more children die in syria, so what?". I think belittling it is akin to being an apologist. 

That's as demented as seeing other people as less than human. 

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5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(1) Allah knows the intention. if someone is raised and educated in an environment where they genuinely believe that they have to carry out a suicide bomb for the sake of the ummah which is under attack, and 100% believe they are doing it for allahs pleasure, is Allah going to send them to hell? 

Yes, they are going to hell. Because, regardless of whatever enviornment they are brainwashed in there is a basic mental thought which makes you realize at some point that you are engaging in the Murder and Suicide of invalid targets.

Let's not forget that the attacking of non-Military targets is against the Rules of War the Prophet (PBUH) gave us.

5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(2) they have no other weapons so must use their bodies to destroy the enemies of Allah

Maybe there is a reason that no weapons are provided to them by any means from Allah. Because they were not deemed worthy of attaining the death of a Martyr. The title and death of a Martyr are not common things which are parsed our ramdomly. Its a death which has to be earned through piety, strength of character and good faith, not through a killing of those whom are not deemed worthy of engaging in combat.

5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(3) everyone has committed sins, so if a suicide bomb kills you, Allah put you in that path to be punished so you can die with your sins cleansed and enter heaven

Murder and Suicide are considered a means to expiation of your sins? Should ask a Wahabbi for the chapter and verse of the Quran where it states that. 

5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(4) anyone not on their specific interpretation of islam deserves to be killed

Which Messenger of God (leave alone the Holy Prophet (PBUH)) used to think only in Absolutes that those that claim to worship God choose to? 

5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(6) <insert a number>> of virgins waiting for heavenly shenanigans. 

Again, that is a reward for the pious and of high faith. Not for these idiots whom do nothing to increase their knowledge and understanding of Islam (or any other Abrahamic religion, for that matter). No virgins waiting for the Manchester bomber, of that there is no doubt.

5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

(7) the suicide bomber is a "mujahid" so all his sins are forgiven

Again, we need to ask the brainwashers for the Chapter/Verse of the Quran which states that murdering non-Military combatants and children coupled with their own suicide equates to forgiveness of their sins. In my opinion, they're adding to their list of sins by engaging in unforgivable sins. Murder and Suicide.

The Manchester bomber (as well as of the other Suicide bombers, or any other bomber for that matter) is rotting in the lowest depths of hell. The torment he is facing now is probably beyond any measure of earthly description. To be honest, he's earned it.

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3 hours ago, notme said:

I can't even believe that apologists exist. I'd carefully watch anyone who tries to justify murder of innocents. 

Unfortunately, this is what happens when people paint in too broad strokes. Everyone on " the other  side " is your enemy. 

Let's blow up a musical concert.

Let's burn a mosque.

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22 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Unfortunately, this is what happens when people paint in too broad strokes. Everyone on " the other  side " is your enemy. 

Let's blow up a musical concert.

Let's burn a mosque.

I signed up for an online course called "The Orbital Perspective". It's about how to change the world for the better. One bit of advice by another student in the class discussion was that we need to see each and every human being as a person. I was, frankly, shocked by the comment. You mean most people don't? I thought dehumanization was the exception, not the rule.

But even beyond that: every created thing as part of the creation. It's all one big system, the whole world, the whole universe. 

I don't understand violence, hatred, and war. I don't want to either, I'd rather it continues to upset and confuse me. 

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3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

often the response is "more children die in syria, so what?". I think belittling it is akin to being an apologist. 

Wut? You should be like well people's mothers die all the time, don't be sad when yours does. SMH!

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7 hours ago, Pearl178 said:

What if the suicide bomber(s) have a real mental illness and are not mentally stable?  How would a just God treat someone like that? 

Indeed God knows... but then again won't that put them in the category of "psychopathic serial killer"? and anyway it is their wahhabi masters who used, brainwashed and exploited them to carry out these crimes against innocents, who in turn are being funded and supported by the saudi/gulf country government, who in turn are being funded and supported by the zionists and western governments.

Point being that at the end of the day someone who knows what they are doing, and who are not mentally unstable, is responsible for these atrocities.

 

5 hours ago, notme said:

I signed up for an online course called "The Orbital Perspective". It's about how to change the world for the better. One bit of advice by another student in the class discussion was that we need to see each and every human being as a person. I was, frankly, shocked by the comment. You mean most people don't? I thought dehumanization was the exception, not the rule.

But even beyond that: every created thing as part of the creation. It's all one big system, the whole world, the whole universe. 

I don't understand violence, hatred, and war. I don't want to either, I'd rather it continues to upset and confuse me. 

Unfortunately that's the reality of the times we are living in. At the very least in western capitalist society the average Joe is seen as nothing but a resource to be exploited, rather than a human being.

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