China's global 'Belt & Road' economic play [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[Abu Nur]

5 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Tangentially related - US designs on China

Singaporean veteran politician speaks.

 

US have always been enemy of communist (even supporting fascist and terrorist ageinst communist) and they will never allow China to grow beyond. They will do anything to win ageinst China. 

If there would be a ww3 then it will be at this point where it will manifest. 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Abu Nur

[Ashvazdanghe]

16 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

US have always been enemy of communist (even supporting fascist and terrorist ageinst communist) and they will never allow China to grow beyond. They will do anything to win ageinst China. 

If there would be a ww3 then it will be at this point where it will manifest. 

Salam it's a stereotypical answer any way respectfully I disagree with you because US never has been enemy of communists anyway doesn't want it in it's teritory to it has tried to limit it to China & Russia for weakening these countries .

Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine

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The Monroe Doctrine, essentially.

Of course. There’s no country in the Western hemisphere that we will allow to invite a distant, great power to bring military forces into that country.

 

 

Right, but saying that America will not allow countries in the Western hemisphere, most of them democracies, to decide what kind of foreign policy they have—you can say that’s good or bad, but that is imperialism, right? We’re essentially saying that we have some sort of say over how democratic countries run their business.

We do have that say, and, in fact, we overthrew democratically elected leaders in the Western hemisphere during the Cold War because we were unhappy with their policies. This is the way great powers behave.

 

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Of course we did, but I’m wondering if we should be behaving that way. When we’re thinking about foreign policies, should we be thinking about trying to create a world where neither the U.S. nor Russia is behaving that way?

 

That’s not the way the world works. When you try to create a world that looks like that, you end up with the disastrous policies that the United States pursued during the unipolar moment. We went around the world trying to create liberal democracies. Our main focus, of course, was in the greater Middle East, and you know how well that worked out. Not very well.

 

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What do you think our policy should be in Ukraine right now, and what do you worry that we’re doing that’s going to undermine our China policy?

We should be pivoting out of Europe to deal with China in a laser-like fashion, number one. And, number two, we should be working overtime to create friendly relations with the Russians. The Russians are part of our balancing coalition against China. If you live in a world where there are three great powers—China, Russia, and the United States—and one of those great powers, China, is a peer competitor, what you want to do if you’re the United States is have Russia on your side of the ledger. Instead, what we have done with our foolish policies in Eastern Europe is drive the Russians into the arms of the Chinese. This is a violation of Balance of Power Politics 101.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine

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Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

[Abu Nur]

57 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it's a stereotypical answer any way respectfully I disagree with you because US never has been enemy of communists anyway doesn't want it in it's teritory to it has tried to limit it to China & Russia for weakening these countries .

Wa Aleikum Salaam,

It is not stereotypical answer. It is historical fact that US from early 20th century (specially from 1930-) had competing with the communist socialist ideology. The Cold War is great example.

[Haji 2003]

Xi Jinping's speech to the GCC

 

I wonder if there will be a reciprocal initiative to teach Chinese people Arabic?

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Fifth, nurturing new highlights in language and cultural cooperation. China will cooperate with 300 universities, middle and primary schools in GCC countries on Chinese language education, work with GCC countries to set up 300 Chinese language smart classrooms, provide 3,000 "Chinese Bridge" summer/winter camp opportunities, and set up Chinese language learning and testing centers and online Chinese classes. The two sides could hold a China-GCC language and culture forum, and compile a bilingual library for people-to-people and cultural exchanges and mutual learning.

https://english.news.cn/20221210/762e6445a3eb4391b2640bc756b50d3a/c.html

 

The above link takes you to a full transcript of Jinping's speech.

[Haji 2003]

The President of (German) Bundestag gives lessons to the Namibian President on the Chinese - gets some lessons back

for those who aren't familiar, Germany is a former colonial power in Namibia and is responsible for genocide of the locals

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 10/24/2022 at 2:47 PM, Abu Nur said:

Wa Aleikum Salaam,

It is not stereotypical answer. It is historical fact that US from early 20th century (specially from 1930-) had competing with the communist socialist ideology. The Cold War is great example.

Salam I'm aware of such war based on media of America & soviets anyway both of always needed a bogeyman for fighting with it which each one have been bogeyman of eachother  which America has been using justification of fighting with communism for controlling countries likewise Iran or attacking to vietnam & etc which projecta likewise cold war so then star wars have been created to weaken USSR anyway after fall of USSR  Business oligarch from USSR have joined to America so then they have created a bogeyman from  Iran.

[Haji 2003]

 

[Haji 2003]

Not necessarily part of the Belt/Road project ...

 

[Diaz]

4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Not necessarily part of the Belt/Road project ...

 

Is this real? Never heard of this.

[Abu Nur]

7 hours ago, Diaz said:

Is this real? Never heard of this.

It is real. 

[Haji 2003]

 

 

[Diaz]

49 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

 

China is doing anything to be at top, unlike usa and the west.

[Haji 2003]

Boost to Chinese shipping in Red Sea
Not strictly related to Belt and Road, but an example of how the Chinese are benefitting from American foreign policy

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Several Chinese shipping lines have been redeploying their vessels to serve the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, in what analysts have said is an effort to exploit China’s perceived immunity from the Houthi attacks that have driven most other operators out of the area. These smaller Chinese lines have been serving ports such as Doraleh in Djibouti, Hodeidah in Yemen and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia, all of which have faced big falls in traffic as international container shipping lines have rerouted to avoid potential attacks by Yemen’s Houthi rebels.

https://www.ft.com/content/41b3491c-d6b3-4da0-a272-239e51cfd7c6

[Haji 2003]

Marrying the local women

This is the key difference in my opinion about the relationship between outsiders and the indigenous. When 'colonialists' colonise they tend to frown upon / discourage intermarrying. On the other hand those who anticipate a longer-term  and perhaps more equitable presence marry in.

And since expats/migrants tend to be men, it's a case of marrying local women.

Anyway what really brought home the message of this Tweet was a conversation I had with an English businessman at the House of Commons (UK parliament) in 2017.

I was attending an event for politicians, investors and businesspeople about investing in Africa and the businessman pointed out that it was hard for British businesses to compete with the Chinese because they were laying down roots and integrating with the locals - and this included marrying them.

 

[Haji 2003]

There'll be social and political consequences ...

A seasoned commentator in the FT comes to this conclusion in an article about high levels of Chinese savings:
 

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Given China’s size, stage of development and excessive savings, an essential part of any strategy for macroeconomic stability must be a jump in private and public consumption as shares of GDP. Moreover, given the financial difficulties of local government, this will also mean a bigger role for central government spending.

https://www.ft.com/content/cc40794b-abbb-4677-8a2a-4b10b12b6ff5

 

If Chinese consumption does rise, there'll be social and political and economic consequences. Economic activity can't take place in a vacuum. I have a suspicion that those consequences will be viewed negatively in the West, let's see.

[Haji 2003]

[Haji 2003]

Italy reneged on Belt and Road and now wants back in ...

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BEIJING (AP) — Italy and China signed a three-year action plan on Sunday to implement past agreements and experiment with new forms of cooperation, Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni said on an official visit to the Chinese capital.

https://apnews.com/article/china-italy-meloni-li-trade-auto-manufacturing-7a5b95a3f151206e0e74755b90a71600

[Haji 2003]

Cost of solar panels falling rapidly in Pakistan due to Chinese supplies

 

[Haji 2003]

America tries something similar - gets Community Noted

US sells some old Caltrain rolling stock to Peru to compete for development glory against China's billion dollar investment in a new Peruvian port.

[Haji 2003]

^

It gets worse (more pathetic). Some Americans are complaining about sending aid to a developing country when there is so much need back home.

Then they're told that actually America is selling old rolling stock ... 

 

[Haji 2003]

 

[justAnothermuslim]

A new commercial rail route connecting China to Iran has officially launched with the arrival of the first cargo train from the eastern Chinese city of Xian at the Aprin dry port near Tehran.

Aprin's CEO highlighted the port's strategic role in lowering transport costs and reducing reliance on coastal freight hubs.

Railway infrastructure connecting Iran and China allows freight trains to travel from Shanghai to Tehran in 15 days, compared to 30 days via the maritime route.

On 12 May, railway officials from Iran, China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Turkiye met in Tehran to advance a transcontinental rail network linking Asia to Europe, Tasnim News Agency reported on 25 May.

 

source

[justAnothermuslim]

https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1926926273051275613

[Haji 2003]

14 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

A new commercial rail route connecting China to Iran has officially launched with the arrival of the first cargo train from the eastern Chinese city of Xian at the Aprin dry port near Tehran.

This is the route. I think it explains why the west has been so keen on cutting Russia down to size. The train route passes through 4 countries that are currently in the Russian sphere of influence.

If they were more aligned with the West then the train route could be closed more easily, whenever necessary.

[Haji 2003]

 

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

Well China will do nothing.

[Haji 2003]

6 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Well China will do nothing.

Another surprise in this conflict has been the precision of Iranian missiles and it has been claimed that the Iranians are no longer using GPS which the US could block, but Chinese supplied BeiDou.

Secondly, Chinese companies have been making satellite images available to Iran to improve targetting.

I am not for one moment saying that this is due to altruism on China's part.

But response can take many forms.

[Haji 2003]

On 4/8/2026 at 9:07 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Secondly, Chinese companies have been making satellite images available to Iran to improve targetting.

 

In case anyone wanted evidence:

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Iran secretly acquired a Chinese spy satellite that gave the Islamic republic a powerful new capability to target US military bases across the Middle East during the recent war, according to a Financial Times investigation.

https://www.ft.com/content/1fddd2cd-1294-4e9c-a17d-5ea06b399355?syn-25a6b1a6=1
 

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The use of a Chinese-built satellite by the IRGC during a war where Tehran has repeatedly targeted its neighbours with missiles and drones is likely to be highly sensitive across the region. China is the largest trading partner of the Gulf countries and is the largest buyer of their oil.

 

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TEE-01B is capable of capturing imagery at roughly half-metre resolution, comparable to high-resolution commercially available western satellite imagery. It represents a significant upgrade on Iran’s domestic capabilities and would allow analysts to identify aircraft, vehicles and changes to infrastructure.