I need help

[Orange5000]

 Long story short, I'm a young guy with an EXTREMELY high libido. Like most, I'm in school and I have thousands in debt, so marriage is not even on the table for at least another 5-8 years. The word mutah has no place in my world as there are no people willing to particpate in mutah in California, actually, if you approached someone here asking for mutah you would

A: Get laughed at

B: Viciously slapped

On top of this, my only resort and option to tame down my "hormones" was the same resort that 90% of the male population seems to resort to. Pornography and mastubration for the last 8 or so years. I never really thought twice about it, it became the norm as all my friends were on the same boat and I don't think Ive ever met another guy who doesn't resort to these "Acts". Not too long ago I read an article on how it was a deadly sin in islam and can be compared to adultery, I knew it was bad, but not that bad, so I dropped it. Im a few weeks in and I feel like I may go mad. I have tried fasting, it works to an extent, but I can't fast everyday for the next half decade.

My question? What does a young male in his late teens or early 20's do in such a situation? For him Marriage is most definitely not an option for many years to come, same thing with mutah, and he has the testosterone, libido, and drive of an angry bull. Now what. The gym works too, but again, only to an extent... not years 

[Orange5000]

6 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

 Long story short, I'm a young guy with an EXTREMELY high libido. Like most, I'm in school and I have thousands in debt, so marriage is not even on the table for at least another 5-8 years. The word mutah has no place in my world as there are no people willing to particpate in mutah in California, actually, if you approached someone here asking for mutah you would

A: Get laughed at

B: Viciously slapped

On top of this, my only resort and option to tame down my "hormones" was the same resort that 90% of the male population seems to resort to. Pornography and mastubration for the last 8 or so years. I never really thought twice about it, it became the norm as all my friends were on the same boat and I don't think Ive ever met another guy who doesn't resort to these "Acts". Not too long ago I read an article on how it was a deadly sin in islam and can be compared to adultery, I knew it was bad, but not that bad, so I dropped it. Im a few weeks in and I feel like I may go mad. I have tried fasting, it works to an extent, but I can't fast everyday for the next half decade.

My question? What does a young male in his late teens or early 20's do in such a situation? For him Marriage is most definitely not an option for many years to come, same thing with mutah, and he has the testosterone, libido, and drive of an angry bull. Now what. The gym works too, but again, only to an extent... not years 

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[Hassan-]

The best thing you can do is remain patient until you are ready to get married. However if that's not possible, and you really can't control yourself, than I suggest you do mutah with a prostitute. It's highly mukruh to marry a prostitute, but if it will prevent you from masterbating and watching porn, than you should go for it. I'm pretty sure a prostitute won't care about you telling them about mutah, all they really want is your money.

[Orange5000]

5 hours ago, Hassan- said:

The best thing you can do is remain patient until you are ready to get married. However if that's not possible, and you really can't control yourself, than I suggest you do mutah with a prostitute. It's highly mukruh to marry a prostitute, but if it will prevent you from masterbating and watching porn, than you should go for it. I'm pretty sure a prostitute won't care about you telling them about mutah, all they really want is your money.

WHAT........... WHAAAAAAT

Be real with me, mutah with a prostitute is better than mastubrating or watching pornography....... is it THAT bad man. 

I won't sit here and act all goody two shoes with you, if this was indeed permissible (or at least makrooh but not haram) I wouldn't even look back. But how man, doesn't that automatically invalidate mutah, she's clearly a street worker. How do you even go about doing that.

Me: Hey, I'm muslim, so in order for this to work I'm going to need to temporarily marry you, and Im going to need you to repeat some lines.

[user5000]

5 hours ago, Hassan- said:

The best thing you can do is remain patient until you are ready to get married. However if that's not possible, and you really can't control yourself, than I suggest you do mutah with a prostitute. It's highly mukruh to marry a prostitute, but if it will prevent you from masterbating and watching porn, than you should go for it. I'm pretty sure a prostitute won't care about you telling them about mutah, all they really want is your money.

Straight from the office of Khamenei

"Bismihi Ta`ala
Marrying an adulteress temporarily (mut`ah) is permissible but reprehensible especially if she is a prostitute."

Mutah with a prostitute is like zina, what are you saying man?

[user5000]

6 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

 Long story short, I'm a young guy with an EXTREMELY high libido. Like most, I'm in school and I have thousands in debt, so marriage is not even on the table for at least another 5-8 years. The word mutah has no place in my world as there are no people willing to particpate in mutah in California, actually, if you approached someone here asking for mutah you would

A: Get laughed at

B: Viciously slapped

On top of this, my only resort and option to tame down my "hormones" was the same resort that 90% of the male population seems to resort to. Pornography and mastubration for the last 8 or so years. I never really thought twice about it, it became the norm as all my friends were on the same boat and I don't think Ive ever met another guy who doesn't resort to these "Acts". Not too long ago I read an article on how it was a deadly sin in islam and can be compared to adultery, I knew it was bad, but not that bad, so I dropped it. Im a few weeks in and I feel like I may go mad. I have tried fasting, it works to an extent, but I can't fast everyday for the next half decade.

My question? What does a young male in his late teens or early 20's do in such a situation? For him Marriage is most definitely not an option for many years to come, same thing with mutah, and he has the testosterone, libido, and drive of an angry bull. Now what. The gym works too, but again, only to an extent... not years 

Probably not the best solution, in fact, probably the worst solution, but I heard taking boat loads of steroids decreases sex drive. Its kinda a win win, you get ripped and ur "problem" is solved. Of course, you run the risk of going sterile for life, and other life threatening complications from steroids.

[Orange5000]

4 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

Probably not the best solution, in fact, probably the worst solution, but I heard taking boat loads of steroids decreases sex drive. Its kinda a win win, you get ripped and ur "problem" is solved. Of course, you run the risk of going sterile for life, and other life threatening complications from steroids.

Im 20, you have to be at least 25 to take any of that stuff. And I'm broke

[Hassan-]

4 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

Straight from the office of Khamenei

"Bismihi Ta`ala
Marrying an adulteress temporarily (mut`ah) is permissible but reprehensible especially if she is a prostitute."

Mutah with a prostitute is like zina, what are you saying man?

Your fatwa says it's permissible, what are you trying to say?

5 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

WHAT........... WHAAAAAAT

Be real with me, mutah with a prostitute is better than mastubrating or watching pornography....... is it THAT bad man. 

I won't sit here and act all goody two shoes with you, if this was indeed permissible (or at least makrooh but not haram) I wouldn't even look back. But how man, doesn't that automatically invalidate mutah, she's clearly a street worker. How do you even go about doing that.

Me: Hey, I'm muslim, so in order for this to work I'm going to need to temporarily marry you, and Im going to need you to repeat some lines.

Do you know how bad masterbating is? It's one of the biggest sins in Islam and you will be severely punished by Allah if you don't repent. Marrying a prostitute is permissible, and mutah itself is marriage. The scholars say it's very makruh, but it's better to do something makruh than to commit one of the biggest sins in Islam.

[user5000]

Just now, Hassan- said:

Your fatwa says it's permissible, what are you trying to say?

Do you know how bad masterbating is? It's one of the biggest sins in Islam and you will be severely punished by Allah if you don't repent. Marrying a prostitute is permissible, and mutah itself is marriage. The scholars say it's very makruh, but it's better to do something makruh than to commit one of the biggest sins in Islam.

NO. The fatwah I posted was one of the more lenient ones, most of them outright banned it, for good reason. In prostitution there is no moral basis, no moderation, no legal considerations, and no respect and responsibility in the sexual relationship. Prostitution is therefore an act solely motivated by one's arbitrary carnal desires and done without any regard to human decency, respect and responsibility.

Whereas in Mut'a a person who is unable to commit to a permanent relationship can instead satisfy his or her sexual urge/desire (which could otherwise led him/her to prostitution or other harmful/sinful forms of sexual satisfaction) through a safe, moderated, legally binding natural relationship which guarantees the dignity and rights of the sides involved in the relationship. Above all, in Mut'a, one's consciousness of Allah's decrees and oversight works to sanctify the relationship from a purely animistic pursuit into a sacred human practice. This is how Mut'a is made essentially distinct from and incomparable to prostitution.

You can go to a prostitute and pay to get love or go to women from people of the book or Muslim and simply get love. Im pretty sure almost all prostitutes lack faith, lets be logical here.

[user5000]

7 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

Your fatwa says it's permissible, what are you trying to say?

Do you know how bad masterbating is? It's one of the biggest sins in Islam and you will be severely punished by Allah if you don't repent. Marrying a prostitute is permissible, and mutah itself is marriage. The scholars say it's very makruh, but it's better to do something makruh than to commit one of the biggest sins in Islam.

I can agree with you on that, but almost every male on this planet mastubrates and uses pornography these days shameful times we live in indeed.... but its the truth. Mufti Menk came across this once in his lectures and he highlighted the fact that pornography viewing was highest in muslim countries. In short, we have a serious problem, but does this mean every male is doomed.

[ali_fatheroforphans]

I posted this last year just in case you haven't viewed it. I am 20 years old and I left porn a year and half ago approximately. Since then I have not even gazed at it nor masturbated (thanks to Allah).  I won't probably be married for another 5/6 years (I hope I get married slightly earlier though).

My point is, yes it is possible to quit porn since I was able to. You just need to make a pure intention to quit for the sake of Allah. I only quit to please Allah and purify my soul, not for some other reason like 'to get rid of acne etc". So in this way Allah helped me when he knew my intention was to get close to him. The benefits will come, but don't do it purely for those.

Also, this is gonna screw up your marriage life, so every time you watch porn think about your future and how it will damage your ability to perform with your wife. Apart from that, watching porn is like pouring dirt on your soul and it will make you feel empty. 

Since I left porn my life is so much better and I have found more peace and happiness in my life.

There are a millions of articles and tips out there, but you really need to be willing to change yourself if you want any sort of advice to work. 

So make a start and I promise it will be easier as time goes on and you become more closer to Allah. 

[ali_fatheroforphans]

1 hour ago, Hassan- said:

The best thing you can do is remain patient until you are ready to get married. However if that's not possible, and you really can't control yourself, than I suggest you do mutah with a prostitute. It's highly mukruh to marry a prostitute, but if it will prevent you from masterbating and watching porn, than you should go for it. I'm pretty sure a prostitute won't care about you telling them about mutah, all they really want is your money.

Perfect example of how mutah is misused. I won't suggest this option. Why has Allah taught us to be patient?

We can't expect to always have the easy way out man, by having sex with a prostitute.

Edited May 2, 2017 by ali_fatheroforphans

[Hassan-]

16 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

NO. The fatwah I posted was one of the more lenient ones, most of them outright banned it, for good reason. In prostitution there is no moral basis, no moderation, no legal considerations, and no respect and responsibility in the sexual relationship. Prostitution is therefore an act solely motivated by one's arbitrary carnal desires and done without any regard to human decency, respect and responsibility.

Whereas in Mut'a a person who is unable to commit to a permanent relationship can instead satisfy his or her sexual urge/desire (which could otherwise led him/her to prostitution or other harmful/sinful forms of sexual satisfaction) through a safe, moderated, legally binding natural relationship which guarantees the dignity and rights of the sides involved in the relationship. Above all, in Mut'a, one's consciousness of Allah's decrees and oversight works to sanctify the relationship from a purely animistic pursuit into a sacred human practice. This is how Mut'a is made essentially distinct from and incomparable to prostitution.

You can go to a prostitute and pay to get love or go to women from people of the book or Muslim and simply get love. Im pretty sure almost all prostitutes lack faith, lets be logical here.

You're not getting my point here brother, I never said doing mutah with a prostitute was a good thing. I know it's bad and I don't advise anyone to do it. However, it's a lawful act whether you like it or not. However in the OP's case, if doing a lawful act prevents him from doing an unlawful act, than I advise it.

[Hassan-]

5 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Perfect example of how mutah is misused. I won't suggest this option. Why has Allah taught us to be patient?

We can't expect to always have the easy way out man, by having sex with a prostitute.

I never said it's a good idea to do it, but if doing something lawful prevents you from doing something unlawful, than you should do it.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Hassan-

[user5000]

1 minute ago, Hassan- said:

I never said it's a good idea to do it, but if doing something lawful prevents you from doing something unlawful, than you should do it.

I understood you, didn't mean to come of harsh, sorry. BUT, how can we say that mutah with a prostitute (if not adultery, the closest thing you can get to adultery) is better than mastubration. That just boggles my mind dude, almost every guy on this planet mastubrates, many young muslims included.

[Hassan-]

9 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

I understood you, didn't mean to come of harsh, sorry. BUT, how can we say that mutah with a prostitute (if not adultery, the closest thing you can get to adultery) is better than mastubration. That just boggles my mind dude, almost every guy on this planet mastubrates, many young muslims included.

So because many people masterbate it doesn't become as bad anymore? Any Muslim that masterbates without repenting will go nowhere but the hellfire, even if every single person does it. Mutah with a prostitute may seem like zina, but it's permissible, just like how it's permissible for a 9 year old girl to do mutah. Our marjas know a lot more than you do.

[Qa'im]

Firstly I wouldn't recommend the prostitution route, some scholars forbid it while others consider it highly undesirable.  It can be very dangerous too, as you can get robbed, get diseases, or worse.

The best option is to find a Muslim girl, even if it is just to get engaged. If you can't do that, then keeping yourself busy throughout will help bring your desires down. Minimize your alone time, use your computer in public parts of the house (hallways, living rooms, kitchens), study/work/exercise/volunteer, and find an activity that you can go to whenever you get urges. Fasting also helps like you said, even if it's not everyday, it is better to commit 3 sins a week than 7. Just keep bringing it down until you can eliminate it or get close.

If that still doesn't work, then find a mut`a partner. The way to do mut`a with a Kitabiyya is not to just approach them randomly, get on one knee and ask them to temporarily marry you. That's what garners a laugh or a slap. Instead you can ask a woman at school or a coworker if they can meet up in a public place for coffee. Do that once or twice, avoid physical contact, maintain professionalism and respect. Once they know that you're a decent person, you can explain that Islam only allows relationships under certain conditions (zawaj btw can be literally translated as "pairing"). If the girl likes you, she will accept that concept and maybe even like it. If not, then whatever, move on until you find someone who does.

[user5000]

3 hours ago, Hassan- said:

So because many people masterbate it doesn't become as bad anymore? Any Muslim that masterbates without repenting will go nowhere but the hellfire, even if every single person does it. Mutah with a prostitute may seem like zina, but it's permissible, just like how it's permissible for a 9 year old girl to do mutah. Our marjas know a lot more than you do.

Mannnnn

Sistani

Can a Muslim do Muta with a prostitute in order to satisfy his physical needs?

 Marrying a woman who is known publicly as an adulterer is not permissible as a measure of precaution except after repentance (tawbah).

 

Lankarani

In the name of the most High

Based on ehtiyate wajib (mandatory precaution) it must be avoided.

[hasanhh]

2 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

@DigitalUmmah @magma @shiaman14 @notme @hasanhh @Qa'im @Sindbad05 @Gaius I. Caesar @Marbles

 

You guys are on the leader boards, I'm turning to you

You are not discussing dehydration or starvation. Do what l did: Just behave yourself.

You really aren't missing much.

[Hassan-]

3 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

Mannnnn

Sistani

Can a Muslim do Muta with a prostitute in order to satisfy his physical needs?

 Marrying a woman who is known publicly as an adulterer is not permissible as a measure of precaution except after repentance (tawbah).

 

Lankarani

In the name of the most High

Based on ehtiyate wajib (mandatory precaution) it must be avoided.

It's permissible by some marjas and impermissible by others, what's your point? If the OP's marja says it's permissible than he's allowed to do it. Why is this so hard for you to accept? At the end of the day it's the OP who makes the decisions, if he doesn't want to marry a prostitute he doesn't have to, all I did was give him a better alternative then masterbation.

[Sindbad05]

@Orange5000

Every human being has desires. But the thing to think about it is what will these desires bring about if they are kept in mind for whole time. Waste of time, waster of energy and bad habits which may destroy your personality. I feel you are anxious about this particular thing which is a good sign because "anxiety" leads you to find "solutions". Firstly, you should notice that the free-time which you get, you must not sit idle and do nothing and wrong thoughts come in your mind which drive you to do bad. If you have free-time, read books, watch informative videos, Play video games or even go to sleep. Never allow your desires to occupy your mind before its time, that is off course after you get married. The only thing you need to remind yourself is that it is illegal to use any of your abilities before its time or for wrong purpose. Occupy your brain with good thoughts by pouring good ideas or knowledge, that is the remedy bro. And hold fast on saving your soul because fighting against one's own evil desires is the greatest Jihad as quoted by the Prophet PBUHHP. 

[Sirius_Bright]

5 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

 Long story short, I'm a young guy with an EXTREMELY high libido. Like most, I'm in school and I have thousands in debt, so marriage is not even on the table for at least another 5-8 years. The word mutah has no place in my world as there are no people willing to particpate in mutah in California, actually, if you approached someone here asking for mutah you would

A: Get laughed at

B: Viciously slapped

On top of this, my only resort and option to tame down my "hormones" was the same resort that 90% of the male population seems to resort to. Pornography and mastubration for the last 8 or so years. I never really thought twice about it, it became the norm as all my friends were on the same boat and I don't think Ive ever met another guy who doesn't resort to these "Acts". Not too long ago I read an article on how it was a deadly sin in islam and can be compared to adultery, I knew it was bad, but not that bad, so I dropped it. Im a few weeks in and I feel like I may go mad. I have tried fasting, it works to an extent, but I can't fast everyday for the next half decade.

My question? What does a young male in his late teens or early 20's do in such a situation? For him Marriage is most definitely not an option for many years to come, same thing with mutah, and he has the testosterone, libido, and drive of an angry bull. Now what. The gym works too, but again, only to an extent... not years

Salaam brother,

 There are surely some medicines available for this addiction. A quick google search will help but better consult a doctor, preferrably a Muslim doctor.  May Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì help you.

[DigitalUmmah]

7 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

My question? What does a young male in his late teens or early 20's do in such a situation? For him Marriage is most definitely not an option for many years to come, same thing with mutah, and he has the testosterone, libido, and drive of an angry bull. Now what. The gym works too, but again, only to an extent... not years 

woah there, raging bull. 

mutah is absolutely an option. that is literally what it is for. so long as you do not do it with a virgin or a girl living in her fathers/ guardians house or one who is not fully independent. 

make yourself attractive, work out, dress well, learn to hold a conversation, get a decent income and approach divorcee or someone like that. and go nuts. the trick is not to be a creep, take contraception seriously, not to give her false hopes and to be discrete as possible. 

 

[amirhosein_88]

10 hours ago, Orange5000 said:

 Long story short, I'm a young guy with an EXTREMELY high libido. Like most, I'm in school and I have thousands in debt, so marriage is not even on the table for at least another 5-8 years. The word mutah has no place in my world as there are no people willing to particpate in mutah in California, actually, if you approached someone here asking for mutah you would

A: Get laughed at

B: Viciously slapped

On top of this, my only resort and option to tame down my "hormones" was the same resort that 90% of the male population seems to resort to. Pornography and mastubration for the last 8 or so years. I never really thought twice about it, it became the norm as all my friends were on the same boat and I don't think Ive ever met another guy who doesn't resort to these "Acts". Not too long ago I read an article on how it was a deadly sin in islam and can be compared to adultery, I knew it was bad, but not that bad, so I dropped it. Im a few weeks in and I feel like I may go mad. I have tried fasting, it works to an extent, but I can't fast everyday for the next half decade.

My question? What does a young male in his late teens or early 20's do in such a situation? For him Marriage is most definitely not an option for many years to come, same thing with mutah, and he has the testosterone, libido, and drive of an angry bull. Now what. The gym works too, but again, only to an extent... not years 

Salamun alaykum.

To begin with, it is a Divine blessing that you are looking for a way to get rid of a sin. Masha Allah.

I have not been under the same situations as I live in an Islamic country and there are many difference.

However, your story reminded me of a story about Shahid Abbas Baba'i, an Iranian Major General, who was martyred in Iran-Iraq war.

One of his friends and classmates in America says:

در دوران تحصیل در آمریکا روزی در بولتن خبری پایگاه «ریس» که هر هفته منتشر می­شد، مطلبی نوشته شده بود که توجه همه را به خود جلب کرد. مطلب این بود:

« دانشجو بابایی ساعت ۲ نیمه شب می دود تا شیطان را از خود دور کند.»

 من و بابایی هم اتاق بودیم. ماجرای خبر بولتن را از او پرسیدم. او گفت: چند شب پیش بی خوابی به سرم زده بود. رفتم میدان چمن و شروع کردم به دویدن. از قضا کلنل باکستر فرمانده پایگاه با همسرش مرا دیدند و شگفت زده شدند . کلنل ماشین را نگه داشت و مرا صدا زد. نزد او رفتم. او گفت در این وقت شب برای چه می دوی؟ گفتم: خوابم نمی آمد خواستم کمی ورزش کنم تا خسته شوم .گویا توضیح من برای کلنل قابل قبول نبود او اصرار کرد تا واقعیت را برایش بگویم. به او گفتم مسائلی در اطراف من می گذرد که گاهی موجب می شود شیطان با وسوسه هایش مرا به گناه بکشاند، در دین ما توصیه شده که در چنین مواقعی بدویم یا دوش آب سرد بگیریم. آن دو با شنیدن حرفهای من تا دقایقی می خندیدند ، زیرا با ذهنیتی که نسبت به مسائل جنسی داشتند نمی توانستند رفتار مرا درک کنند.

Once the bulletin of our military base wrote the following: "Baba'i runs at 2 AM to be away from Satanic desires".

I asked him about it. He said: Some nights ago, I could not sleep. So I went to the court and started running. Suddenly, I happened to see Colonel Boxster and his wife who became surprised. Colonel stopped the car and ask me why I am jogging at this time. I told him that i want to get tired so that i can sleep.

This explanation did not convince the colonel. Due to his insistence i had to tell him the reality. I told him that sometimes there are some situations where I feel that Satan is going to deceive me (he meant sins related to sexual desires). Our religion has advised us to, under such circumstances, take a cold shower or run.

Both the colonel and his wife could not stop laughing at me for some minutes as they, based on their mentality about sexual desires, could not understand me.

[Soldiers and Saffron]

I am sorry to hear of your situation, iA it will get better.

Whatever you do, stop watching pornography, it is really like poison of the mind and it will corrupt your thoughts and intentions.

Whatever you put inside you, your inputs, they will have an effect on what you put out, your outputs.

See filth and you will commit filth. See purity and you will commit purity.

 

Also you say you cannot get married now, but what if you could find a sister in the same situation, someone studying who you might be able to get engaged to? Then you can study together and be engaged and then in the future have the wedding.

Have you spoken to your parents about finding you someone for engagement? Or have you spoken to the sheikh of your masjid? What have you done so far to get you out of this situation?

[Mohammadi_follower]

I see many people here talking about prostitutes but prostitution is not supposed to be forbidden in islam ? So that doesnt really make sense for me when someone talk about do mutah with a prostitute.

[Mohammadi_follower]

11 hours ago, Bazzi_ said:

Mannnnn

Sistani

Can a Muslim do Muta with a prostitute in order to satisfy his physical needs?

 Marrying a woman who is known publicly as an adulterer is not permissible as a measure of precaution except after repentance (tawbah).

 

Lankarani

In the name of the most High

Based on ehtiyate wajib (mandatory precaution) it must be avoided.

 

How is it exactly the tawbah here ? I mean for exemple if she just do a prayer and say "im sorry" but we absolutely know that she will do again prostitution after the end of the mutah is it really a tawbah ?

[ShiaMan14]

@Orange5000,

Salaam brother,

First off, - do NOT do mutah with a prostitute. Apart from the religious issues about whether it is permissible or not, it is very unsafe as you can contract a number of diseases. But even worse, it is illegal in most states and you do NOT want to be arrested for soliciting prostitution.

Addiction to porn is a psychological problem like a weird form of OCD. There is nothing to show that getting married will cure this addiction. As a matter of fact, marriages have broken over this addiction. Along with Fasting and 'Gyming', my advice would be to seek therapy to help you overcome this addiction.

This may be overly simplistic but think about this. Let's say you are really hungry, do you just watch an advert for food and get satisfied??? If not, then how does watching pron help?