why we don't respect the caliphs.....

[Ya_isa (as)]

a short video definitely worth watching.... 

Quran: O you who have believed, do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet or be loud to him in speech like the loudness of some of you to others, lest your deeds become worthless while you perceive not.

53:2

Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,

53:3

Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

53:4

It is not but a revelation revealed,

[Ya_isa (as)]

I just wonder sometimes at our Sunni brothers, Who's lineage is Mahdi (as) from ? Umar? Abu Bakr ? .... he's from the Purified Ahlul Bayt (as) Hazrat Fatima (as) so how can they expect a saviour from Her (as) lineage but then admire and respect people who called her a liar and took fadak from her ?? I'm not trying to get into a historical analysis here just trying to see if our Sunni brothers can look deep into their hearts and soul and answer that for themselves !

How can God send a saviour for us from Hazrat Fatima (as) lineage but then the rightly GUIDED caliphs deny her and call her a liar.? Either they are guided or she (as) is.... and we know which one Allah chose.....

Furthermore how are the Sunnis gonna face the Mahdi (as) while they respect and revere the very people who called His (as) Mother (as) a liar and she died angry with them ??

if Hazrat Fatima (as) was here and she said your house is mine ! I wouldn't sit there and try to prove it's not I would pack up and leave ! Her (as) word is good enough for me ! 

Again to our Sunni brothers would you raise your voice above the Holy Prophets (pbuhhf) ? Would you deny Him (pbuhhf)to write down something ? If not then why would you respect and admire people who would? Look into your hearts if you're sincere then you will see the truth inshallah 

[Faruk]

41 minutes ago, Ya_isa (as) said:

Furthermore how are the Sunnis gonna face the Mahdi (as) while they respect and revere the very people who called His (as) Mother (as) a liar and she died angry with them ??

I never looked at it that way. Great point!

[Faruk]

I'd also like to mention that those who decided to curse the Aale Muhammad a.s. and their followers were actually extending the curse to Al-Mahdi a.s. well as those who were cursed were the only possible ancestors and continuation of the bloodline of Muhammad s.a.w.a.s.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Faruk

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Devils Advocate:

Muhammed [saw] had fainted in our reliable hadith and was on his deathbed and very ill. Those who did not want to give him the pen and paper did not want him to be troubled and wanted him to recover and regain his strength.

Secondly, was Ali a.s not already chosen [or confirmed again?] at Ghadir? Why did he want to write it?

[guest051217]

54 minutes ago, Ya_isa (as) said:

I just wonder sometimes at our Sunni brothers, Who's lineage is Mahdi (as) from ? Umar? Abu Bakr ? .... he's from the Purified Ahlul Bayt (as) Hazrat Fatima (as) so how can they expect a saviour from Her (as) lineage but then admire and respect people who called her a liar and took fadak from her ?? I'm not trying to get into a historical analysis here just trying to see if our Sunni brothers can look deep into their hearts and soul and answer that for themselves !

How can God send a saviour for us from Hazrat Fatima (as) lineage but then the rightly GUIDED caliphs deny her and call her a liar.? Either they are guided or she (as) is.... and we know which one Allah chose.....

Furthermore how are the Sunnis gonna face the Mahdi (as) while they respect and revere the very people who called His (as) Mother (as) a liar and she died angry with them ??

if Hazrat Fatima (as) was here and she said your house is mine ! I wouldn't sit there and try to prove it's not I would pack up and leave ! Her (as) word is good enough for me ! 

Again to our Sunni brothers would you raise your voice above the Holy Prophets (pbuhhf) ? Would you deny Him (pbuhhf)to write down something ? If not then why would you respect and admire people who would? Look into your hearts if you're sincere then you will see the truth inshallah 

Devils advocate:

Fatima [ra] is one of the leaders of the women of jannah. However, she and Abu Bakr [ra] only differed on a fiqh issue - how inheritance should be stipulated. You shia also have reliable ahadith which state that the Prophets of God do not leave behind dinars or dirhams, but knowledge. We the ahlus-sunnah also have a reliable hadith which shows Abu Bakr [ra] meeting Fatima [ra] before her death showing she was pleased with him. The 'was angry' is the narrators opinion - not fact, and is not present in other authentic variations of the hadith.

We sunni's love Fatima [ra], but believe Abu Bakr [ra] gave daleel and reminded her of the sunnah, and she accepted his position.

[Faruk]

1 hour ago, QuranandAhlulbayt said:

Fatima [ra] is one of the leaders of the women of jannah. However, she and Abu Bakr [ra] only differed on a fiqh issue - how inheritance should be stipulated.

It was not just a hypothetical fiqh issue but about her own inheritance.
 

 

1 hour ago, QuranandAhlulbayt said:

We the ahlus-sunnah also have a reliable hadith which shows Abu Bakr [ra] meeting Fatima [ra] before her death showing she was pleased with him. The 'was angry' is the narrators opinion - not fact, and is not present in other authentic variations of the hadith.

The hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari and even if 'was angry' is the narrators opinion. She did not talk to him till she died.




 

[Faruk]

1 hour ago, QuranandAhlulbayt said:

Devils Advocate:

Muhammed [saw] had fainted in our reliable hadith and was on his deathbed and very ill. Those who did not want to give him the pen and paper did not want him to be troubled and wanted him to recover and regain his strength.

Secondly, was Ali a.s not already chosen [or confirmed again?] at Ghadir? Why did he want to write it?

Maybe because after all it (Ghadir) turned out to be insufficient.

We actually do not know what he s.a.w.a.s. wanted to write. The only thing we know is that it would have prevented the Ummah or a part of it from going astray.

My view is that this did not happen so to leave the Ummah with a test. So that it'd became clear who was real and who wasn't.

 

Edited April 30, 2017 by Faruk

[Ya_isa (as)]

2 hours ago, Faruk said:

We actually do not know what he s.a.w.a.s. wanted to write. The only thing we know is that it would have prevented the Ummah or a part of it from going astray.

Salam,

how come no one denied the first caliph or from writing down ? Or the second caliph...? Was it because they know what was going to written  down? So one can come to the conclusion that the Same reason was why the Holy Prophet (pbuh&hf) was denied, they knew what he was gonna write down....?  Either way the Holy Prophet (pbuh&hf) said I leave behind... Quran and ahlulbayt (as) that is the test I think .... 

Ali is the master of all the believers after me."

Musnad, Ahmed Hanbal, vol 5 p 25; Mustadrak, Hakim, vol 3 p 134;Sahih, al Tirmidhi, vol 5 p 296

"Whoever accepted me as his master, then he should also accept ‘Ali as his master. O Allah be friendly with his friends, and be enemy to his enemy."

Sahih, Muslim, vol 2 p 362; Mustadrak, Hakim, vol 3 p 109; Musnad, Ahmed Hanbal, vol 4 p 281 

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8 hours ago, Ya_isa (as) said:

I just wonder sometimes at our Sunni brothers, Who's lineage is Mahdi (as) from ? Umar? Abu Bakr ? .... he's from the Purified Ahlul Bayt (as) Hazrat Fatima (as) so how can they expect a saviour from Her (as) lineage but then admire and respect people who called her a liar and took fadak from her ?? I'm not trying to get into a historical analysis here just trying to see if our Sunni brothers can look deep into their hearts and soul and answer that for themselves !

How can God send a saviour for us from Hazrat Fatima (as) lineage but then the rightly GUIDED caliphs deny her and call her a liar.? Either they are guided or she (as) is.... and we know which one Allah chose.....

Furthermore how are the Sunnis gonna face the Mahdi (as) while they respect and revere the very people who called His (as) Mother (as) a liar and she died angry with them ??

if Hazrat Fatima (as) was here and she said your house is mine ! I wouldn't sit there and try to prove it's not I would pack up and leave ! Her (as) word is good enough for me ! 

Again to our Sunni brothers would you raise your voice above the Holy Prophets (pbuhhf) ? Would you deny Him (pbuhhf)to write down something ? If not then why would you respect and admire people who would? Look into your hearts if you're sincere then you will see the truth inshallah 

Our houses are really hers. Without their love, our houses are nothing but building with dead men walking. We believe that our own creation is actually because of that we obey Ahlebait a.s which is counted in worship of Allah AWJ for which God says: "We do not create Jinns and Humans except that they should worship me". 

As far Sunni brothers, I am also confused what they really are up to ? Denying daughter of prophets and mother of 11 Imams and believing in those who usurped her due right and were enemies of Allah and Prophet and Imams. Sunni brothers, where are you going ?????

[Ya_isa (as)]

Dha'wat dhul Ashira.... Holy Prophet (pbuh&hf) picked and chose Imam Ali (as) as his successor, and:

Holy Quran: 

53:2

Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,

53:3

Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

53:4

It is not but a revelation revealed,

 

[Faruk]

If the Prophet spoke nonsense now and didn't spoke nonsense then ..

How are we able to distuinguish?

[Ya_isa (as)]

salam, when I refer to our beloved Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) I call them Imams, but when I refer to Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, I use caliphs cause that's what the Sunnis know them as.  Just preference I guess....