Christ Isa (pbuh) Blasphemous prophet?

[MuslimyMuslim]

 Holy greetings and salaams to all faiths internationally. I have been anylizing the soul of the man who was proclaimed the son of god many years ago. I have come to the conclusion that he, christ jesus son of mary may have made many more mistakes than we might think. Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?". Adam had a similar question asked when he ate the forbidden fruit by God asking him "where are you" because he was trying to hide. Was Christ Isa Messiah of bani israel trying to hide.

 Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. He even said you can tell a tree by its fruit, no good tree bears bad fruit. What is the christian nation if our holy prophet told us the truth? It is a blasphemy and Dajjal on the face of the earth. It says the Dajjal will come with loaves of bread, Isa(pbuh) Multiplied bread its all a little to suspicious given the fact that before he did that satan was the one that originally tempted him to multiply bread. He also had a tendency to contradict himself in later scriptures. I feel that the prophet might  not have been as good as proclaimed to be.

[ShiaMan14]

17 minutes ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

 Holy greetings and salaams to all faiths internationally. I have been anylizing the soul of the man who was proclaimed the son of god many years ago. I have come to the conclusion that he, christ jesus son of mary may have made many more mistakes than we might think. Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?". Adam had a similar question asked when he ate the forbidden fruit by God asking him "where are you" because he was trying to hide. Was Christ Isa Messiah of bani israel trying to hide.

 Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. He even said you can tell a tree by its fruit, no good tree bears bad fruit. What is the christian nation if our holy prophet told us the truth? It is a blasphemy and Dajjal on the face of the earth. It says the Dajjal will come with loaves of bread, Isa(pbuh) Multiplied bread its all a little to suspicious given the fact that before he did that satan was the one that originally tempted him to multiply bread. He also had a tendency to contradict himself in later scriptures. I feel that the prophet might  not have been as good as proclaimed to be.

A lot of what is attributed to Hz Isa (as) is actually not from him but from Paul and others.

Hence, his status as a high Prophet remains intact.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

Most of it is lies attributed by John,  Mark, Matthew and Luke.  Ever noticed that there are four versions of the story of Jesus in the Bible? 

That's why you see so many contradictions attributed to Jesus. 

[Haydar Husayn]

I think you need to read the Qur'anic verses concerning Jesus more carefully, as they certainly don't portray him in the way you have understood.

[baqar]

33 minutes ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

Why would God in all his infinite glory ask?

There could be lots of reasons why God mentions that in the Quran.

35 minutes ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake.

That is an illogical conclusion.

Jesus was perfect.

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[David66]

Hello,

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Most of it is lies attributed by John,  Mark, Matthew and Luke.  Ever noticed that there are four versions of the story of Jesus in the Bible? 

That's why you see so many contradictions attributed to Jesus. 

Do all the ahadith of Mohamed (pbuh) match?  If not, does this make the accounts lies?

All the Best,

David

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Do all the ahadith of Mohamed (pbuh) match?  If not, does this make the accounts lies?

All the Best,

David

No, not all hadiths match and some are indeed written or reported by liars. That is why some scholars devote their lives to studying the hadiths and the chains of oral transmission. 

The hadiths were reported by fallible human sources, not Prophets or Imams (as)

That's the main difference between the Gospels and the Hadiths, we don't consider hadiths divinely inspired human reports of Muhammad (saws) whereas Christians consider the Gospels divinely inspired human reports of the life of Jesus.

All the Best, 

Gaius.

[David66]

Hello,

28 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

No, not all hadiths match and some are indeed written or reported by liars. That is why some scholars devote their lives to studying the hadiths and the chains of oral transmission. 

The hadiths were reported by fallible human sources, not Prophets or Imams (as)

That's the main difference between the Gospels and the Hadiths, we don't consider hadiths divinely inspired human reports of Muhammad (saws) whereas Christians consider the Gospels divinely inspired human reports of the life of Jesus.

All the Best, 

Gaius.

Not all Christians.  You should learn more before you portray yourself as the "authority" on Christianity.

All the Best,

David

[Qa'im]

4 hours ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?".

This is on the Day of Judgment, and the reason for this questioning is so that Jesus may bear witness against those who worshiped him.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Not all Christians.  You should learn more before you portray yourself as the "authority" on Christianity.

All the Best,

David

At least my father and his family believe so, and no I didn't say all Christians.

When I said Christians , I meant in general. You should ask me for clarity before accusing me of potraying myself as an authority on Christianity, which clearly I am not. 

I was merely demostrating the difference between the Gospels and the Hadiths.

[iCambrian]

2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

No, not all hadiths match and some are indeed written or reported by liars. That is why some scholars devote their lives to studying the hadiths and the chains of oral transmission. 

The hadiths were reported by fallible human sources, not Prophets or Imams (as)

That's the main difference between the Gospels and the Hadiths, we don't consider hadiths divinely inspired human reports of Muhammad (saws) whereas Christians consider the Gospels divinely inspired human reports of the life of Jesus.

All the Best, 

Gaius.

A human report is a human report. Subject to flaws of a human mind, regardless of divine inspiration or not. I wouldn't consider Hadith being too different than the gospels.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

Just now, iCambrian said:

A human report is a human report. Subject to flaws of a human mind, regardless of divine inspiration or not. I wouldn't consider Hadith being too different than the gospels.

And I agree with you a hundred percent. The Gospels are basically,  from my understanding and experience,  Christian hadiths. 

It's the attitude towards each source that differs considerably as far as I can see. 

[iCambrian]

5 hours ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

 Holy greetings and salaams to all faiths internationally. I have been anylizing the soul of the man who was proclaimed the son of god many years ago. I have come to the conclusion that he, christ jesus son of mary may have made many more mistakes than we might think. Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?". Adam had a similar question asked when he ate the forbidden fruit by God asking him "where are you" because he was trying to hide. Was Christ Isa Messiah of bani israel trying to hide.

 Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. He even said you can tell a tree by its fruit, no good tree bears bad fruit. What is the christian nation if our holy prophet told us the truth? It is a blasphemy and Dajjal on the face of the earth. It says the Dajjal will come with loaves of bread, Isa(pbuh) Multiplied bread its all a little to suspicious given the fact that before he did that satan was the one that originally tempted him to multiply bread. He also had a tendency to contradict himself in later scriptures. I feel that the prophet might  not have been as good as proclaimed to be.

This post is made from such a...fundamentalist view.

"Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?". Adam had a similar question asked when he ate the forbidden fruit by God asking him "where are you" because he was trying to hide. Was Christ Isa Messiah of bani israel trying to hide."

It gives the impression that God has an audible voice. And that He audibly spoke to a man named Adam, who was literally formed from dust in a garden with a tree of magical fruit.

"Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. "

This question couldn't be asked in such a simple way, without understanding the real meaning of the verses being referred to.

This post is all just very fundamentalist, basic, and in a sense, it feels primitive.

[Sindbad05]

8 hours ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

 Holy greetings and salaams to all faiths internationally. I have been anylizing the soul of the man who was proclaimed the son of god many years ago. I have come to the conclusion that he, christ jesus son of mary may have made many more mistakes than we might think. Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?". Adam had a similar question asked when he ate the forbidden fruit by God asking him "where are you" because he was trying to hide. Was Christ Isa Messiah of bani israel trying to hide.

 Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. He even said you can tell a tree by its fruit, no good tree bears bad fruit. What is the christian nation if our holy prophet told us the truth? It is a blasphemy and Dajjal on the face of the earth. It says the Dajjal will come with loaves of bread, Isa(pbuh) Multiplied bread its all a little to suspicious given the fact that before he did that satan was the one that originally tempted him to multiply bread. He also had a tendency to contradict himself in later scriptures. I feel that the prophet might  not have been as good as proclaimed to be.

Lolz, what a tragic situation is this that Prophets whom Allah AWJ  choose from best of the best are considered as mistake makers. Adam a.s was forbidden from going near the tree and not from eating the fruit, Adam did not go near tree because he was best among his people and the mistake of going near the tree was done by other because if Adam would have done that he would have lost his excellence of being better than his group for someone among his group would not have done what Adam did. 

As far Jesus is considered, it is actually like asking like we humans ask each other even from the innocent that "Did you steal something" and the innocent says: "No, I did not steal". Same is the argument between Jesus and God, When God asks him: "Did you tell people to worship other than me (God)". Jesus will say: "You are witness over me and these people that I did not say like that in my entire life". So, please stop calling prophets wrongdoers, it is blasphemy. 

[Abu Nur]

Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. 

That is wrong conclusion because it does not necessarily mean he did mistake or imperfect. 

[MarcusAurelius]

11 hours ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

Why would God in all his infinite glory ask?

 

Don't jump to conclusions, you aren't an expert on the Quran and its tafsir and yet you have the boldness to accuse a prophet and messenger of Allah based on your limited understanding of a few verses and a handful of hadiths regarding the dajjal. There is something called context. I'm not sure where you got that verse from, it's probably from the Bible. The Quran emphasises the purity and honour of the prophets why? because people in the past had reduced their status and made many fabrications about them. For example the book of Genesis has a case of incest and drunkenness. Take the Quran for an authority on Isa if you are a Muslim. How many verses praise Isa and reveal his elevated status. Why would Allah in his infinite glory choose Isa? perhaps because he was a pure and holy figure and Allah is aware of it? Perhaps the creator of the universe is capable of selecting the right person for the task. I think you should really study the principles of prophethood within Islam and consider the traits that are required to be a prophet. The pure status of Isa could not be stressed or made any clearer for you.

“And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allaah),

We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),

 And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta),"

al-Haaqqah 69:44-47

If this is the penalty for the prophet Muhammad a messenger of Allah, likewise the same punishment would occur to any other messenger of Allah if they were hiding something or corrupting the teachings of Allah.

[MarcusAurelius]

Ok, my apologies it is from the Quran.  It is so frustrating that I cannot edit posts.

Anyway, isn't it clear that he is free from error?

Realise that a conversation can occur in order to make clear the views or beliefs of the individuals to the audience? It is not a case of suspicion but a case of clarity.

And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.  Al Maeda 005:116

[Christianlady]

14 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Most of it is lies attributed by John,  Mark, Matthew and Luke.

Salam Gaius l. Caesar,

What Apostle John, Mark, Apostle Matthew, and Luke wrote are not lies; they are testimonies about what Jesus Christ did and said.

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 Ever noticed that there are four versions of the story of Jesus in the Bible? 

Ever noticed that if you ask 4 different people about the same person, they will remember and account the same main events, as well as different details that impacted them personally?

If you asked my 3 sisters and me about our Dad, for example, you would receive 4 different testimonies about Dad, similar in the main events but with different details depending on what impacted us the most.

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  That's why you see so many contradictions attributed to Jesus. 

There are some minor contradictions, but nothing major. However, those contradictions do not negate who Jesus Christ is, what he said, and what he did for us.

Peace and God bless you

Edited April 18, 2017 by Christianlady

[Christianlady]

15 hours ago, MuslimyMuslim said:

 Holy greetings and salaams to all faiths internationally.

Salam MuslimyMuslim,

What a beautiful greeting!!! I love it!!! Holy greetings and salamms to you too!  

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I have been anylizing the soul of the man who was proclaimed the son of god many years ago.

Out of curiosity, have you researched the Messianic prophecies concerning the man proclaimed the Son of God? 

For example:

God gave King David the following prophecy/promise:

And it shall come to pass, when thy days are fulfilled that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will set up thy seed after thee, who shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

He shall build Me a house, and I will establish his throne for ever.

I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son; and I will not take My mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee;

but I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom for ever; and his throne shall be established for ever.'

- 1 Chronicles 17:11-14

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt25a17.htm

Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) is the son (descendant) of King David, and fulfills the prophecy/promise of being to God "for a son" - settled in God's House and Kingdom for forever.

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I have come to the conclusion that he, christ jesus son of mary may have made many more mistakes than we might think.

Is the Qur'an the reason you have come to this conclusion?

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Did God not in the holy Quran Question Isa the same way he questioned Adam in the holy scriptures by saying "did you tell men to consider you and your mother as gods besides God?". Adam had a similar question asked when he ate the forbidden fruit by God asking him "where are you" because he was trying to hide.

Interesting, but I personally do not believe what the Qur'an says about Jesus Christ. Why?

1.) The Qur'an was dictated by one man (Muhammad) around 600 years after Jesus Christ.

2.) The Qur'an contradicts the testimonies of Jesus' apostles Matthew and John, both of whom walked and talked with Jesus.

3.) The Qur'an influences people to obey Muhammad, not Jesus Christ.

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Was Christ Isa Messiah of bani israel trying to hide.

Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) obeys God, and commanded His followers to obey God as well. The Qur'an, however, does raise suspicions about Jesus, so I understand why you ask this question.

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 Why would God in all his infinite glory ask? Unless the prophet himself was imperfect and made a mistake. He even said you can tell a tree by its fruit, no good tree bears bad fruit. What is the christian nation if our holy prophet told us the truth? It is a blasphemy and Dajjal on the face of the earth. It says the Dajjal will come with loaves of bread, Isa(pbuh) Multiplied bread its all a little to suspicious given the fact that before he did that satan was the one that originally tempted him to multiply bread. He also had a tendency to contradict himself in later scriptures. I feel that the prophet might  not have been as good as proclaimed to be.

That, in my opinion, is because you base your belief about Jesus Christ on the Qur'an, instead of on the Tanakh (the Old Testament) and the New Testament of the Bible.

The New Testament confirms and validates the Old Testament, because Yeshua Ha Mashiach (Jesus Christ) quoted from and strove to fulfill prophecies in the Tanakh. However, the Qur'an contradicts both the Tanakh and the New Testament.

Peace and God bless you