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7 minutes ago, Silas said:

Russia just vetoed an independent UN investigation into the chemical weapons attack in Syria

If Putin has nothing to hide, why do that?

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/russia-vetoes-resolution-syria-chemical-weapons-probe-180410193956669.html

maybe because Putin remembers how numerous 'independent' UN resolutions and investigations paved the way for military attacks on sovereign countries like Libya, Iraq, or Serbia...no?

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Well some kind of investigation needs to be done: the rest of the world isn't simply going to take Assad's (or Putin's) word for it that they had nothing to do with the attack.

The CW attack could have been engineered by Israel, who wants to formalize its occupation of the Golan Heights in order to drill for oil there, among other things.

But until we figure out what happened, we can't make any determinations --everyone looks guilty here. 

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35 minutes ago, Silas said:

Russia just vetoed an independent UN investigation into the chemical weapons attack in Syria

If Putin has nothing to hide, why do that?

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/russia-vetoes-resolution-syria-chemical-weapons-probe-180410193956669.html

ok bro, see here is your problem... you are quoting aljazeera...

“Today, the OPCW Technical Secretariat has requested the Syrian Arab Republic to make the necessary arrangements for such a deployment. This has coincided with a request from the Syrian Arab Republic and the Russian Federation to investigate the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma. The team is preparing to deploy to Syria shortly,” the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said in a statement on Tuesday.

this is from RT

this is from press tv


the problem is the US wants its own team to investigate... now you dont mention that Russia also drafted a resolution. Here we have two opposing teams. one of them did the crime... you choose to BELIEVE and listen to the US/KSA/ISRAELI side while others (me included) trust the SYRIAN/RUSSIAN/IRANIAN side... do you see the problem?

Rivaling US and Russia drafted UNSC resolutions aimed at creating a new inquiry into chemical weapons attacks in Syria have both failed to garner votes at the council.

During the Tuesday session, seven members voted against the Russian-drafted resolution and two abstained, shortly after the US-drafted resolution was vetoed by Russia.
 

 

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39 minutes ago, Silas said:

Well some kind of investigation needs to be done: the rest of the world isn't simply going to take Assad's (or Putin's) word for it that they had nothing to do with the attack.

The CW attack could have been engineered by Israel, who wants to formalize its occupation of the Golan Heights in order to drill for oil there, among other things.

But until we figure out what happened, we can't make any determinations --everyone looks guilty here. 

lets not forget that we are talking about a legal document here where every word could be open to manipulative interpretations. I am sure that Russia had its reasons and hiding things is definitely not one of them. Because they or Syria'd have to do it first to hide it. Why I believe that they did not do is because it makes ZERO sense. Lets back up and examine the series of events leading up to this attack.... Trump announces that US would withdraw from Syria, most of the crazies make a deal with the Russians to vacate Douma.....and then Syria decides to throw a barrel of chlorine on civilians? This is even more stupid by the jihadist stds even. See, it has nothing to do with trust, honesty, morality, or any other emotive concepts.

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Just now, Wahdat said:

lets not forget that we are talking about a legal document here where every word could be open to manipulative interpretations. I am sure that Russia had its reasons and hiding things is definitely not one of them. Because they or Syria'd have to do it first to hide it. Why I believe that they did not do is because it makes ZERO sense. Lets back up and examine the series of events leading up to this attack.... Trump announces that US would withdraw from Syria, most of the crazies make a deal with the Russians to vacate Douma.....and then Syria decides to throw a barrel of chlorine on civilians? This is even more stupid by the jihadist stds even. See, it has nothing to do with trust, honesty, morality, or any other emotive concepts.

No this isnt the first time the story is twisted with resolutions..

The US draft was designed to fail and thus “justify” unauthorized action in Syria, Russia’s UN envoy said. “If you made a decision to carry out an illegal military endeavour, we hope that you will come to your senses. You will be responsible for it yourselves,” Russia’s envoy to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, warned.

Russia then proposed another resolution, based on an earlier draft by Sweden, which voices support for the new OPCW probe into the Douma incident. The UNSC meeting was suspended for consultations, on Sweden's request, before putting the resolution to vote.

 

Nebenzia said the US resolution, despite Washington claiming to take Moscow’s concerns into consideration, was effectively an attempt to resurrect the deprecated Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIM). Even if the US project was adopted, it would take months to implement, the diplomat said, adding that the draft was a “provocative step” that had “nothing to do with the desire to investigate the Douma incident.” He said it was obviously designed to fail in order to serve as a justification for unauthorized military action against Syria.

“Why do you need the attribution mechanism, if you’ve already named the perpetrators before any investigation?”Nebenzia said, referring to blatant accusations against Damascus coming from the US and its allies

 

im looking for the draft the US proposed but I cant find it... im sure its ridiculous..

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Turning to the competing text proposed by the Russian Federation, she said the key difference was that the one submitted by the United States ensured that any investigation would be independent. In contrast, the one submitted by the Russian Federation gave itself the chance to choose the investigators and help determine the outcome of the investigation. 
 

@Wahdat @Silas

https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13288.doc.htm

both want an investigation neither trusts the other, to be independent.. If you followed the Syrian war properly, you would see USA helping the terrorists sometimes even directly supporting ISIS by bombing escape routes for them while Russia actually bombs the terrorists.. So would you trust a resolution drafted by the US that would allow them to directly interfere in Syria Silas?

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3 hours ago, kirtc said:

Turning to the competing text proposed by the Russian Federation, she said the key difference was that the one submitted by the United States ensured that any investigation would be independent. In contrast, the one submitted by the Russian Federation gave itself the chance to choose the investigators and help determine the outcome of the investigation. 
 

@Wahdat @Silas

https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13288.doc.htm

both want an investigation neither trusts the other, to be independent.. If you followed the Syrian war properly, you would see USA helping the terrorists sometimes even directly supporting ISIS by bombing escape routes for them while Russia actually bombs the terrorists.. So would you trust a resolution drafted by the US that would allow them to directly interfere in Syria Silas?

There is no way any nation is going to believe the results of a joint Russian-Syrian "investigation". Vladimir Putin has zero credibility internationally, after invading the Ukraine, his actions in South Ossetia, his treatment of political dissidents in Russia, poisoning of spies, etc. He is viewed as a backwater dictator. Assad has an even lower reputation.

Now that being said, I think Assad does need to stay in power out of necessity, and Israel and the US did assist jihadists in the region, either inadvertently, or deliberately. We all know the history of the conflict.

An international team could be assembled that is unbiased and objective, but they would need to be given access to the site. I doubt Assad and Putin will give it to them, further convincing the rest of the world that they were the perpetrators.

Within 24 hours, the US is likely to take out the entire Syrian air force, and casualties will be heavy. Does Iran really want to be involved in this? Does Iran want to be treated like North Korea--a pariah state? You can complain that this isn't fair, and that people don't understand the situation, but this is the political reality.

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I am just watching human suspect, accuse, kill each other.

https://www.rt.com/usa/423621-trump-says-nothings-off-table-syria/

'Nothing off the table' in Syria: Trump promises decision on US military action within 24-48 hours

Published time: 9 Apr, 2018 15:56 Edited time: 10 Apr, 2018 09:06
'Nothing off the table' in Syria: Trump promises decision on US military action within 24-48 hours
US President Donald Trump © Leah Millis / Reuters
 
US President Donald Trump has said that he will decide on potential actions against Syria within 24-48 hours in response to reports of an alleged chemical attack in Douma, East Ghouta.

Trump promised a swift response to the "heinous attack," saying that "this is about humanity and it can’t be allowed to happen.”

His statements echo earlier remarks by Defense Secretary James Mattis. When asked by a reporter if the US was considering military strikes against Syria, Mattis replied that he "would not rule out anything right now."

On Sunday, Trump wrote on Twitter that there would be a "big price to pay" for the alleged attack.

Moscow says the accusations against Damascus serve as a baseless provocation. It has warned that any military action taken to 'respond' to the alleged incident would have "dire consequences." Trump used similar language after an alleged chemical attack was carried out in Idlib province last April. He later ordered a Tomahawk missile strike against a Syrian airbase in Homs.

READ MORE: Enter Bolton: Trump’s new security adviser comes with chemical casus belli on hand

The US State Department said in a statement released on Monday that victims of the alleged attack in Douma showed symptoms of exposure to a nerve agent, and called on Syria and Russia to open the area to international monitors.

Saturday’s alleged chemical attack in Douma, Eastern Ghouta, comes as pro-government forces conclude an operation that has liberated nearly the entire region from Islamic militants. The alleged chemical incident was reported by pro-jihadist groups and it could not be confirmed by Red Crescent medics on the ground.Following the reports, two Israeli warplanes targeted a Syrian airbase in Homs on Sunday night, according to the Russian and Lebanese militaries. 

Monday also marks John Bolton’s first day as Trump’s new national security advisor. Bolton, a former Bush-era ambassador to the UN, has been a vocal proponent of more US military involvement in the Middle East.

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1 hour ago, myouvial said:

'Nothing off the table' in Syria: Trump promises decision on US military action within 24-48 hours

[Mod Note: Excessively long quote was shortened in length.]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49177.htm

Trump: Is He Stupid or Dangerously Crazy?

He's both

By Justin Raimondo

April 09, 2018 "Information Clearing House" -  A child could see through the fake “chemical attack” supposedly launched by Bashar al-Assad just as his troops defeated the jihadists and Trump said he wanted out of Syria. But our President can’t, which raises the question: is he as stupid or stupider than George W. Bush? Or is he crazy?

The bad news is: possibly both. And no, there is no good news.

It was 6 in the morning this Sunday when the President of the United States sent out this tweet:

“Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price…”

We are expected to believe that the Assad regime committed a horrific atrocity against mostly women and children at the very moment when Syrian forces have decisively defeated the Islamist rebels and Trump declared he wanted US troops out of Syria. Days before this fake attack, the Russian Defense Ministry warned that a false flag provocation was in the making.

“Big price,” eh? The person paying that price is going to be Trump himself: his deplorables didn’t vote for him so we could establish an Islamic Sunni state in Syria, as John Bolton has long advocated. If he gets into a war – and the longer we stay in Syria, the bigger are the chances that we’ll be pulled into yet another quagmire – his presidency is doomed.

 

So let’s get down to brass tacks, as they used to say: doesn’t this prove I was wrong about Trump and his movement all along? Weren’t all the smarty-pants NeverTrumpers right from the very beginning?

I was very wrong to discount the role of character, personality, and intelligence: Trump is simply not fit to be President. The foreign policy he seemed to be promising, summed up in the slogan “America First,” was and is the right path for this country – but life is not about policies divorced from individuals. People like me – writers, journalists, and publicists – think in terms of ideas, but these cannot exist apart from the people who hold them, or pretend to hold them. Trump is a very imperfect vessel for a very good policy – and that is definitely an understatement.

Yet that has nothing to do with what I said and wrote about Trump’s various foreign policy pronouncements right up until very recently: as I’ve pointed out repeatedly, and exhaustively, the very fact that a successful presidential candidate criticized the Iraq war (“they lied”) and our policy of global intervention – e.g., questioned NATO’s existence – was and still is a great step forward. That Trump isn’t living up to his campaign promises and his post-election rhetoric is another matter entirely. The “deplorables” are in open rebellion against this new turn: Trump is losing his base.

So here’s the question: is he stupid, like George W. Bush, or is he crazy, in the tradition of, say, Richard M. Nixon?

The case for stupidity is fairly strong: after all, where’s the evidence that Assad launched a chemical attack? Like the series of fake “attacks” touted by the jihadist rebels over the years, this one lacks verification – but that doesn’t bother the War Party. Since when do they need evidence? Last time Trump fell for this routine it turned out that his own Secretary of Defense admitted – well after the US bombing raid – that there was “no evidence” that the Syrian government had launched a chemical attack. The same dodgy “proof” beleaguers the Skripal “poisoning” case in Britain – and, what a coincidence, the same villains are being blamed – Putin & Co. The idea that Assad had anything to gain from launching such an attack is not even worth refuting: he’d already won the war. So what would be the point? It isn’t hard to understand this, yet our President is clueless – or pretends to be.

The case for craziness – a real mental affliction – is even stronger, in my opinion. When President Obama was confronted with the same phony “attacks,” as reported by jihadist “activists” and “medics,” Trump urged him to stay out of it. Yet now that’s he’s in the Oval Office, he’s doing what he urged Obama not to do. This is the classic behavior pattern of a schizoid nutjob with multiple personalities: it’s “The Three Faces of the Donald,” and the big question is which one will emerge today?

Another issue I was apparently dead wrong about is the ascension of John Bolton as National Security Advisor: no big deal, I said. Wrong! I refuse to believe that Trump is caving in to the War Party on Syria just as Bolton gets the keys to his new office. And here’s another non-coincidence: this new turn comes just after Trump got into an argument with his generals over Syria. He wanted out: they insisted we stay. It didn’t take him long to find an excuse – this bogus “attack” – to cave.

So he’s not just stupid, and crazy – he’s also a coward. He refuses to confront the War Party head on, despite his campaign trail rhetoric. Just the other day he was telling crowds in Ohio how we were on the way out of Syria because “we have to take care of our own country.” The crowd cheered. Would he go back to that same audience and tell them we need to intervene in a country that’s been wracked by warfare for years, with no real hope of a peaceful settlement? Of course not.

He’s a Beta male masquerading as an Alpha.

The top three most powerful foreign lobbies in Washington are pushing the US to not only stay in Syria but to expand the role of US troops: the Saudis, who directly support the jihadist rebels, the Israelis, who have long sought to overthrow Assad, and the British, who are behind the maniacal anti-Russian propaganda campaign, starting with the shenanigans of Christopher Steele. Trump’s craven capitulation to these “allies” is yet more evidence of his cowardice under fire. And there’s no doubt that his blaming Russia – and naming Putin – as supposedly responsible for this “gas attack” is a ploy to get Robert Mueller off his back.

I have to say that the future looks grim. This puts Trump’s entire foreign policy agenda up for grabs, including the once-promising Korean peace initiative. Will he sabotage what might have been his greatest accomplishment – peace on the Korean peninsula?

It’s entirely possible.

We are now entering uncharted territory – although, come to think of it, that’s been true since Election Day, 2016. Hold on to your hats, folks, and get a grip on your nerves – because it’s going to be a long, scary ride.

A Note to My Readers: I need to clarify my column on the current confrontation between the Palestinians in Gaza and the Israeli military.

I did not mean to draw an equal sign between the two sides: the Israelis, who are wantonly slaughtering unarmed protesters, including children – and clearly marked media representatives – are clearly the aggressors. Their actions are inexcusable and just another giant step in the direction of complete moral degeneration. While I stand by my criticism of such actions as the “Knife Intifada,” what’s clear to me is that this is not the consequence of some inherent flaw in the Palestinian cause, but a mark of sheer desperation. Yes, Hamas is a monstrous entity, but the Israelis encouraged its growth and development from the start, which is something you don’t read about very often: see here.

Let no one misunderstand me: while I never give unconditional support to anyone, and I’m especially critical of the Palestinian leadership, I stand with the Palestinian people in their just struggle against an oppressive apartheid state. Period.

Justin Raimondo is the editorial director of Antiwar.com, and a senior fellow at the Randolph Bourne Institute. He is a contributing editor at The American Conservative, and writes a monthly column for Chronicles. He is the author of Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement [Center for Libertarian Studies, 1993; Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2000], and An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard [Prometheus Books, 2000].

This article was originally published by "Antiwar" -

Edited by Hameedeh
Mod Note in the quote. Inappropriate image at the bottom of the post was removed.

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6 hours ago, Silas said:

There is no way any nation is going to believe the results of a joint Russian-Syrian "investigation". Vladimir Putin has zero credibility internationally, after invading the Ukraine, his actions in South Ossetia, his treatment of political dissidents in Russia, poisoning of spies, etc. He is viewed as a backwater dictator. Assad has an even lower reputation.

Now that being said, I think Assad does need to stay in power out of necessity, and Israel and the US did assist jihadists in the region, either inadvertently, or deliberately. We all know the history of the conflict.

An international team could be assembled that is unbiased and objective, but they would need to be given access to the site. I doubt Assad and Putin will give it to them, further convincing the rest of the world that they were the perpetrators.

Within 24 hours, the US is likely to take out the entire Syrian air force, and casualties will be heavy. Does Iran really want to be involved in this? Does Iran want to be treated like North Korea--a pariah state? You can complain that this isn't fair, and that people don't understand the situation, but this is the political reality.

I really think you dont know anything about political reality.. sorry. nothing you said is correct. ukraine was infiltrated by usa to attack russia.. it failed. crimea voted to join russia.. both cases were up to their necks in cia involvments trying their best to combat russia via puppets. I cant believe you stand with john McCain. you really have no political compass.. I know you are trying to be moral, but the problem is all your narratives are from the west, and you completely believe them. you my friend are of the deceived.

 

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10 hours ago, Silas said:

Vladimir Putin has zero credibility internationally, after invading the Ukraine, his actions in South Ossetia, his treatment of political dissidents in Russia, poisoning of spies, etc. He is viewed as a backwater dictator. Assad has an even lower reputation.

 

Are you insane?

Is life in Crimea any worse than what it is in Iraq? Are Ossetians worse off today than the Libyans or Georgians for that matter? What of the democratic leaders that destroyed Iraq or Libya costing millions of lives and collapse of entire societies? What of color-revolutions? What is your definition of credibility? Whatever is thrown at you by corporate media? You are what folks call the illiterate-intellectual.

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5 hours ago, kirtc said:

I really think you dont know anything about political reality.. sorry. nothing you said is correct. ukraine was infiltrated by usa to attack russia.. it failed. crimea voted to join russia.. both cases were up to their necks in cia involvments trying their best to combat russia via puppets. I cant believe you stand with john McCain. you really have no political compass.. I know you are trying to be moral, but the problem is all your narratives are from the west, and you completely believe them. you my friend are of the deceived.

 

So the people of Crimea voted to join Russia, just like the citizens of Danzig voted to join with Germany in 1939? --or maybe the people of Austria voted to join the Third Reich a year earlier?

I suspect there wasn't much of a choice in the matter. 

As for Putin's credibility, even Sweden, who is pretty neutral, has been highly critical of Putin, especially his refusal to allow in independent investigators into Syria.

Understanding that Putin has his own agenda, and is not an honest or reliable figure, is not to buy into John McCain's neocon mission, or to side with Trump. It is to clear your mind of Putin's propaganda, pushed out through websites like RT. 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Silas said:

So the people of Crimea voted to join Russia, just like the citizens of Danzig voted to join with Germany in 1939? --or maybe the people of Austria voted to join the Third Reich a year earlier?

I suspect there wasn't much of a choice in the matter. 

As for Putin's credibility, even Sweden, who is pretty neutral, has been highly critical of Putin, especially his refusal to allow in independent investigators into Syria.

Understanding that Putin has his own agenda, and is not an honest or reliable figure, is not to buy into John McCain's neocon mission, or to side with Trump. It is to clear your mind of Putin's propaganda, pushed out through websites like RT. 

 

 

I remember how people were carrying portraits (black and white) of their grandfathers or other family members who fought the Nazis during the MayDay march in Moscow 2 years ago....there were lots and lots and lots of folks.... Russians have a strong distaste for the Nazis because they killed millions of Russians. Few months prior to that, I was leaving my apt when I saw some special team of policemen (the scary masked and armed to the teeth kind) in the hallway...my heart skipped a beat...but thank god that they were there to arrest our neighbour's 22 year old son who apparently was promoting fascism online..later on the day other officers came to ask us about anything unusual about him or if they had bothered us.
The reason I mentioned these 2 stories is to show that Crimeans too who are mostly Russians for that entire peninsula is a Russian navy base were disgusted by the Nazi takeover of Kiev. .. Hence they joined Russia and could not be happier....
 

On Sweden- let Assange's alleged rape case tell you how neutral Sweden really is.
 

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