We follow our religion better than most

[Hussein04]

I recently learned that you cannot have sexual intercourse before marriage in Christianity. They don't seem to follow their religion correctly, especially with a sin this big. Look at all the young people in the USA and U.K.They have kids talking about losing their virginity at the age of 13-14. It's also a huge sin for them to abandon family... I see a lot of them abandon their families. Some of them don't even talk to their parents anymore.I know there's a few Muslims doing stuff like this all over the world but I feel that us Muslims still follow our religion better than most others. Do you agree? Thoughts?

Edited March 16, 2017 by starlight
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[Hassan-]

I do believe Muslims practice their religion the most out of all the major religions, but there's also many that don't care at all and do all sorts of unlawful things. At the same time, there are many Christians that do practice their religion correctly and are far better then the Muslims that don't practice at all.

[Sumerian]

Indeed we do. Some people with inferiority complexes might argue we are the worst though.

[Akbar673]

1 hour ago, Hussein04 said:

I recently learned that you cannot have sexual intercourse before marriage in Christianity. They don't seem to follow their religion correctly, especially with a sin this big. Look at all the young people in the USA and U.K.They have kids talking about losing their virginity at the age of 13-14. It's also a huge sin for them to abandon family... I see a lot of them abandon their families. Some of them don't even talk to their parents anymore.I know there's a few Muslims doing stuff like this all over the world but I feel that us Muslims still follow our religion better than most others. Do you agree? Thoughts?

Not having sex before Marriage is a constant in every (or almost every) world religion.

I'm curious as to how many Muslims engage in Pre-Marital sex. I doubt we'll ever have the true number because even if they've had sex they'll just lie and deny it.

I think its foolish to think that Muslims follow their religion any better than any other group. Its a humanity thing. 

Just because Muslims claim they don't have as much sex before marriage doesn't mean that Muslims don't lie, neglect their parents, lie, gossip or engage in any other sin (major or minor).

Muslims are just a sinful as any other group of humans.

[Mohamed1993]

Technically we have mutah in Shiism, and if you do mutah several times before your actual nikah, wouldn't that be seen as premarital sex in a way that christians/jews/athiests etc. do it by someone that's not muslim? Btw I don't believe Hinduism has any qualms about premarital sex.

[baqar]

4 hours ago, Hussein04 said:

 I feel that us Muslims still follow our religion better than most others. Do you agree? 

You should expel that thought from your mind for ever. 

It will lead to complacency.

Judge yourself on the basis of how you think our Imams would like you to live,

Leave God to judge others.

it is none of your business.  

[Al Hadi]

5 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

Not having sex before Marriage is a constant in every (or almost every) world religion.

I'm curious as to how many Muslims engage in Pre-Marital sex. I doubt we'll ever have the true number because even if they've had sex they'll just lie and deny it.

I think its foolish to think that Muslims follow their religion any better than any other group. Its a humanity thing. 

Just because Muslims claim they don't have as much sex before marriage doesn't mean that Muslims don't lie, neglect their parents, lie, gossip or engage in any other sin (major or minor).

Muslims are just a sinful as any other group of humans.

I disagree

yes you do have a point in it that we don't have like statistical surveys done with foolproof lie detectors. However Muslims generally stick to the principles of their religion more than other faiths. Like hijab and other stuff. Rather than change our rules due to societies pressures and worldly life like Christianity and Judaism we keep it the same at least our scholars and the general followers they have. Homosexuality and other things aren't changed unlike those other religions. So yes I would say we stick to our rules and follow our religion better than people from other faiths. Especially cause we have a whole government and country based on our faith all Christians really have is Vatican city and I don't think that is even taken that seriously.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Al Hadi

[ShiaMan14]

I think it is wrong to compare Christians with Muslims.

Christianity is 2,000+ years old and Islam is 1,400+ years old.

We should really compare the Muslims today to the Christians of 1,400AD. I think we are just as religious today as they were then. We should learn from them to make sure we are just as good 600 years from now.

[Reza]

Only in the sense we have better inbuilt mechanisms in place --- to keep more people on a straighter path more of the time than others. Having a stronger, more simple, and less confusing belief system also helps. 

But many of those mechanisms (family, self consciousness, cultural apparatuses), are constantly under threat of weakening. Just as the body, many souls are not being properly fed. 

[ali_fatheroforphans]

I think it is because Islam is more new in a sense that Quran was revealed only 14 centuries ago (so everything is fresh). Christianity is all over the place due to the time elapse and therefore there are so many values which are neglected. 

I do admit that muslims sin a lot as  well such as having sex before marriage etc. but at least at the back of a muslim's mind, he/she has some sort of guilt and admits that he/she is sinning and disobeying Allah. The question is not whether who is practicing muslim or christian, because many muslims just are careless and let their desires overcome their lifestyle but admit that there is a creator and everything in the quran is legitimate.

On contary there are so many christians ( believe me) who sin and just think that this is all a joke. I know christians who mock jesus themselves, especially the younger generation. Do you see a single muslim, be a practising or non practicing ever say a single word against the prophet muhammad or joke about our holy prophet?

[LeftCoastMom]

13 hours ago, Hussein04 said:

I recently learned that you cannot have sexual intercourse before marriage in Christianity. They don't seem to follow their religion correctly, especially with a sin this big. Look at all the young people in the USA and U.K.They have kids talking about losing their virginity at the age of 13-14. It's also a huge sin for them to abandon family... I see a lot of them abandon their families. Some of them don't even talk to their parents anymore.I know there's a few Muslims doing stuff like this all over the world but I feel that us Muslims still follow our religion better than most others. Do you agree? Thoughts?

Sex before or outside of  marriage has always been a sin in Christianity. It's much stricter than Islam because ,ideally, you have one husband, one wife...together for life. Divorce is forbidden or restricted in many sects. ( If I wanted to dissolve my own marriage religiously as well as civilly...which the Catholic Church does not recognise... it would have to go before not one, but two, ecclesiastical tribunals.)

I don't know what things are like in your neighborhood, but not too many 13 year olds are having sex here. By 17...another matter, but they are a bit older. I hear Europe is  different.

I don't know of too many kids "abandoning their families" either. Many of them are moving back in after college due to finances. It's becoming  a trend.

A lot of people around here have always lived in large extended families,so it's no biggie to me.

Europe is basically post-Christian now for the most part I hear...don't know about the UK part. A great many  historically Christian families don't have any current faith or it is nominal at best. Not sure you can call them Christians anymore as far as faith and practice.

The US is going the same way. It is an officially secular country anyway, but  the twenty-something  millenials ....a good chunk of them...do not claim a religion, even if they started out with one.

That segment of the population isn't going to care much about following " Christian rules".

Edited March 17, 2017 by LeftCoastMom
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[LeftCoastMom]

7 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

I disagree

yes you do have a point in it that we don't have like statistical surveys done with foolproof lie detectors. However Muslims generally stick to the principles of their religion more than other faiths. Like hijab and other stuff. Rather than change our rules due to societies pressures and worldly life like Christianity and Judaism we keep it the same at least our scholars and the general followers they have. Homosexuality and other things aren't changed unlike those other religions. So yes I would say we stick to our rules and follow our religion better than people from other faiths. Especially cause we have a whole government and country based on our faith all Christians really have is Vatican city and I don't think that is even taken that seriously.

Plenty of Christian groups have not changed their rules.

The Vatican belongs only to the Catholic group.

The Church and canon law used to play a huge role in the governments of Europe. It often didn't work out so good.

[Al Hadi]

18 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

I think it is wrong to compare Christians with Muslims.

Christianity is 2,000+ years old and Islam is 1,400+ years old.

We should really compare the Muslims today to the Christians of 1,400AD. I think we are just as religious today as they were then. We should learn from them to make sure we are just as good 600 years from now.

Christianity was Islam but corrupted. By 1400 years they started believing Jesus was God they looked terrible in 1400 years we Muslims aren't that bad 1400 years later we still have the true message of Islam alive and getting stronger even. 2. They had Islam come out the true religion of God 500 years after it was made and they still rejected it. Again they did  not look good 1400 years later because if they were their wouldn't be such a thing as Christians but only Muslims.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Al Hadi

[ShiaMan14]

52 minutes ago, Al Hadi said:

Christianity was Islam but corrupted. By 1400 years they started believing Jesus was God they looked terrible in 1400 years we Muslims aren't that bad 1400 years later we still have the true message of Islam alive and getting stronger even. 2. They had Islam come out the true religion of God 500 years after it was made and they still rejected it. Again they did  not look good 1400 years later because if they were their wouldn't be such a thing as Christians but only Muslims.

The belief about Jesus being divine started much earlier than 1,400AD. It was at most 100-200 years after Jesus that the concept of Trinity was formed. Whatever the believes were, Christians in the 1,400s followed it staunchly. Just look at how many crusades were fought during that time period - religious or christian zealousness was at its zenith.

This is very similar to the Muslims of today. We too are ready to kill at the smallest hint of blasphemy and even alleged blasphemy. Muslim zeal is at its zenith now. The pendulum may swing the other way to where in 500 years time, all we will do is profess to Tawheed and go to mosque every Friday.

[Al Hadi]

5 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

The belief about Jesus being divine started much earlier than 1,400AD. It was at most 100-200 years after Jesus that the concept of Trinity was formed. Whatever the believes were, Christians in the 1,400s followed it staunchly. Just look at how many crusades were fought during that time period - religious or christian zealousness was at its zenith.

This is very similar to the Muslims of today. We too are ready to kill at the smallest hint of blasphemy and even alleged blasphemy. Muslim zeal is at its zenith now. The pendulum may swing the other way to where in 500 years time, all we will do is profess to Tawheed and go to mosque every Friday.

That is my point they corrupted their religion very quickly and to compare them to us is wrong in my view for that very reason. Their leaders fought crusades for territorial reasons and land etc.. The people who did the crusades and fought were terrible people who committed many crimes against humanity and slaughtered whole communities of muslims and jews. Jews just look at jews they say its another religion I guess that's hard to say if religiousity had changed or only changed recently in this turn of the century.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Al Hadi

[ShiaMan14]

Just now, Al Hadi said:

That is my point they corrupted their religion very quickly and to compare them to us is wrong in my view for that very reason. Their leaders fought crusades for territorial reasons and land etc.. The people who did the crusades and fought were terrible people who committed many crimes against humanity and slaughtered whole communities of muslims and jews. Jews just look at jews they say its another religion I guess that's hard to say if religiousity had changed or only changed recently in this turn of the century.

Some might argue that not believing in imamate is also corruption albeit less than the Trinity.

So if we compare the crusaders of yesteryear to the scourge of IS/Taliban/Al-Qaida - are you sure we are that different? Scale could be different but atrocities were/are the same.

[Al Hadi]

1 minute ago, shiaman14 said:

Some might argue that not believing in imamate is also corruption albeit less than the Trinity.

So if we compare the crusaders of yesteryear to the scourge of IS/Taliban/Al-Qaida - are you sure we are that different? Scale could be different but atrocities were/are the same.

I suppose you have some sort of a point. However the whole of Christianity was corrupted generally and they also aren't the true religion of God where God himself in the quran says this religion will prevail over others. Also pay attention to the fact that they failed 500 years into their career as a religion after rejecting the next true message ie... islam.

The example is also wrong cause the isis/Taliban would be like finding in history if the crusades were about christains killing other christains almost so you cant really compare the two situations.

[ShiaMan14]

3 minutes ago, Al Hadi said:

I suppose you have some sort of a point. However the whole of Christianity was corrupted generally and they also aren't the true religion of God where God himself in the quran says this religion will prevail over others. Also pay attention to the fact that they failed 500 years into their career as a religion after rejecting the next true message ie... islam.

The example is also wrong cause the isis/Taliban would be like finding in history if the crusades were about christains killing other christains almost so you cant really compare the two situations.

See, the brother is not asking which religion is less corrupt or which religion is truer.

His question (per my understanding) is regardless of the scripture and creed, are Muslims adhering more to their scripture and creed than people of other religions.

The Crusaders killed anyone who disagreed with them including christians. ISIS/Taliban and the likes too kill anyone who disagrees with them.

Zealousness is as rampant in Muslims today as it was among  Christians in the 1,400s. That's my only point.

[rkazmi33]

1 hour ago, shiaman14 said:

 

This is very similar to the Muslims of today. We too are ready to kill at the smallest hint of blasphemy and even alleged blasphemy. Muslim zeal is at its zenith now. The pendulum may swing the other way to where in 500 years time, all we will do is profess to Tawheed and go to mosque every Friday.

This is the point I want to add. I think the sins related to violence are much more common among muslims. Killing someone just because you suspect someone committed blasphemy is not a small sin. I wish I could understand how Islamic ethics work.

People are always giving me lectures because I am disrespectful to my father. I know a woman who is considered perfect. She was making video of her mother yelling and threatening to send her to police. She continued fighting until her father pushed her 70 years old mother. Her mother now has a swollen hand and eye. When I told her that you are the one giving me lectures about respect for parents and what are you doing? She told me:" I didn't do anything. My father hit her, I didn't hit her. It would have been disrespectful if I hit her". I tried to reach out to many relatives so that they can intervene and teach her some respect and I got no response from anyone. If I become angry at my father's constant taunts (which I have been hearing for 6 to 7 years now) I am disrespectful and all this woman did is okay. Muslims are more hypocritical, they also commit great sins but all in private.

Edited March 17, 2017 by rkazmi33

[ShiaMan14]

39 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

People are always giving me lectures because I am disrespectful to my father. I know a woman who is considered perfect. She was making video of her mother yelling and threatening to send her to police. She continued fighting until her father pushed her 70 years old mother. Her mother now has a swollen hand and eye. When I told her that you are the one giving me lectures about respect for parents and what are you doing? She told me:" I didn't do anything. My father hit her, I didn't hit her. It would have been disrespectful if I hit her". I tried to reach out to many relatives so that they can intervene and teach her some respect and I got no response from anyone. If I become angry at my father's constant taunts (which I have been hearing for 6 to 7 years now) I am disrespectful and all this woman did is okay. Muslims are more hypocritical, they also commit great sins but all in private.

This is slightly off-topic but Allah can forgive almost all sins against Him, but Allah does not forgive sins against another person until the sinner gets absolved by the victim.