Christian American trying to understand Islam

[Undeserving but faithful]

Greetings,

 

To begin this, I need to express that I am not a Western leftist, or anyone trying to virtue signal to Muslims about how "open-minded" i am.  I believe in God, country, community, family, and honor.  I reject the godlessness of modern America, and seek to resemble my ancestors and their faith.  I am the descendant of French Huguenot pilgrims that came to America in the early 17th century, American militiamen that fought against the British, and Confederate soldiers that fought against an invading Federal government.  I would give my life to fight this godlessness that has taken the West. 

Now though i consider myself a true patriot, i despise the American government (and mostly all Western governments) that have been the source of our moral decay and separation from God.  Since 1861, they have been the only true enemy of Christianity and the freewill of the American people, and now their tyranny has spread throughout the world.  I would give my life to fight against this satanic entity without hesitation.

I am reaching out to Shias because i see them fighting this same cause, but with remarkable honor.  I listen to Ayatollah Khamenei, and Hassan Nasrallah, and their insight and wisdom.  The NSA is probably going to have a field day with me after saying this, but i have a great respect for Hezbollah, and the Islamic revolution of Iran.  I will not condemn men who are willing to fight and die to protect Christians and innocent civilians against Daesh in Syria and Iraq.  No where else in the world can a resistance movement even begin to compare.  I cannot deny that i have felt an urge to convert to Shia Islam, but my heart feels empty when i drift from Christ.  Even though i know that there is still a great respect for Jesus as a prophet in Islam, my soul cannot abandon Christianity.

I am learning more and more about Islam everyday, and gaining more and more respect, but i do have some serious concerns about what is happening with migration and the heinous crimes that are following.  Before anyone else, i again condemn these governments for destabilizing these Middle Eastern countries (and i would even go so far as to speculate that these criminals have engineered this to tear apart Europe, making it easier to control).  However, this doesn't change the fact that there is now a horrible rape epidemic that is plaguing European women, the terrorist attacks, the migrants assaults, etc. etc., and the fact that in the next hundred years, native Europeans and Christians may be a minority on their own soil.  I cannot tolerate this, and it absolutely drives me insane with rage.  I want to see Muslims and Christians living together peacefully, but capitulation to Islamic values in Western nations via immigration is invasion, and i believe wholeheartedly European men need to begin to fight back.

I know these are not true Muslims, but how else does a Christian fight this invasion without fighting Islamic migration?  Of course, there are Muslims who condemn this, but with the undeniable spike in crimes coming from Muslim migrants (especially horrific migrant sex crimes), what is there left to do?

To the Muslims reading this, could you ever imagine seeing a Christian-Islamic alliance to fight both the criminal Western governments, the Zionist control of our government, media and their debauchery, but also the criminal migrants assaulting Western women, and disrespecting our nations?  There would have to be compromises on both sides, but do you believe there is a possibility for this?

And when i say Christians, i don't mean the modern Western Christian.  Imagine Christianity could be reformed to where we resemble what we were during the Renaissance up until the 19th century.  Men like Jan III Sobieski, and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson.  Honorable men who stand against immorality and invasion with great honor, and do so, without fear, and give all credit to God.

Even though Islam and Christianity have a horribly brutal and bloody history fighting one another, perhaps i must learn to accept God's will and see this Islamic migration as a potential blessing.  The understanding of God and honor has been lost in the West, and with the rise of immoral atheism, we see their replacement. I believe there is great potential for Muslims and Christians to unite and fight against these evils, bringing an end to this horrible violence between our two religions.  However, i am not a Muslim, and I do not know if this is possible.  To Muslims, if Christians would act as true Christians, do you believe this type of alliance would be possible?

 

I want to end saying i greatly respect true Islam, and I thank you for reading this wall of text,

 

Sincerely,

 

[Name removed by moderator]

 

PS I must convey that though i condemn and despise the actions of the US Federal government and their use of the US military, i will always have a great respect for much of the American military community.  Though there is evil among their ranks, many of these men are very honorable.  They are men trying to serve their nation, but are horribly abused by the treachery and selfishness of their Generals and government.

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[realizm]

salam,

It feels nice reading this, brother. Indeed, I think the aim of Islam has been reached when brothers from other religions feel attracted to Islam, it is proof that good words must be followed by action.

Regarding your hesitation to accept Islam, I do not know how to say it, but I will try this way : who do you think you will disappoint more in the hereafter : Jesus (as) for accepting him 'only' as a prophet of his almighty Lord ; or God for ascribing deity to one of his servants ? And who will be more enclined to punish or reward you? 

 

[Guest Justice Lover]

Greetings to you!

Are you a white nationalist and/or Trump supporter? Do you think that Trump will be good or bad?

Btw I agree with almost everything you said.

 

[Undeserving but faithful]

I thank you for your reply friend,

 

I fear if i drift from Christianity, i am departing from the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.  I truly believe that Christ was the human incarnation of God, and with his sacrifice for all of humanity, with the blood he spilled, I am forgiven of my wretchedness.  I have been a horrible sinner in my past, and upon accepting Christ, i feel as though i have been transformed.  The Holy Spirit has changed my life, and is without any doubt, the most important thing that has ever happened to me.  I cannot abandon this faith.

I still have much to learn about Islam, and I still have a very superficial understanding.  In some ways, i feel it's okay for myself to be open to conversion under the right circumstances.  If i witness Christ and Al-Mahdi defeat evil in my lifetime, i will convert without any second thought.  Though my current understanding prevents me from leaving Christianity.

[Undeserving but faithful]

Guest Justice Lover,

 

I feel Trump has some serious issues, and he is controlled by Zionists in many ways.  I'm very glad Clinton is not in office, but i cannot say I am a Trump supporter.

I do not want to say I am a white nationalist because of many of the ways that they represent themselves I find very distasteful.  I do carry respect for men like David Duke for standing up to the evils of Zionism, but i cannot say i am a part of their group.  However, i do have a very strong European-American identity, and refuse to accept the farce of white guilt, and uncontrolled multiculturalism throughout the West that is engineered to make us easier to control via division.

 

[Qa'im]

Peace,

Welcome to the forum. I too believe that more bridges need to be built between our community and traditionalists like yourself, as we both value God, family, and nobility; and we are both suspicious of the downward degenerate trend that modernism has set in motion.

With regards to the "Islamic migration" in Europe, let me share my view as a Syrian. Syria is one of the most ancient civilizations in the world, with Damascus being the oldest continuously-inhabited city in the world. Syrians are proud of both their Roman and their Muslim heritage. It is a diverse country at the crossroads of three continents, and the home of many religions and denominations, and secular people. Syria is going through a brutal civil war that has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and about 13 million displaced people. The international community hounded the country and has used it as a global chessboard to advance their regional agendas. Many neighbouring countries absorbed these refugees - millions of people have come into Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan. As you probably know, the Gulf countries have not taken in many Syrian refugees, but they've taken in many "guests" - their lack of refugee status is certainly rooted in greed, but also [to be fair] it is partially due to practicality.

Syrians, as a culture, tend to be very educated and tolerant people. The question becomes, where do these people go? Their homeland is under attack from all angles, much of the country is unlivable, and most Syrians do not want to join the SAA or the rebels. Part of the reason why Europe took some refugees (by the way, only 7% of the refugees actually went to Europe) is not just due to bleeding-heart liberal multiculturalism - it is due to economic practicality. Most of Europe has an aging population, marriage is on the decline, and couples are having fewer children. White Europeans also prefer to avoid menial labour jobs. On top of that, European countries tend to have ambitious welfare, education, and healthcare systems. The only way to balance all of these things is to have an immigration system that brings young, working people, who can then pay taxes and support the welfare states. So it's not just out of hospitality, but necessity.

There's a notion that these refugees are savages, and you've mentioned rape epidemics and terrorism. It should first be noted that many Syrians are actually Christian, Druze, and Alawite, some of whom are fleeing from terrorism and not as easily welcomed in the Gulf states as visitors. Secondly, sexual assault may be more common among refugees on average in some countries, but there are indications that this has more to do with class than race, and more to do with the evolving legal definition of rape since the crisis began (i.e. not all rape is a stranger in an alley forcing himself on an unsuspecting woman). In fact, in that article, it says that most of the victims of rape in Sweden are actually immigrants themselves, and not white women by refugee men. This is usually not accounted for in alt-right blogs.

There definitely are instances where immigrants commit crimes, but generally, their crime rate is more or less the same as non-immigrants, and in some countries it is lower. Regardless, as a Christian, I think you would understand that a discussion on "rape culture" is incomplete without a discussion on "hook-up culture"; Western people will usually prefer to talk about the former and leave the latter as "personal choice" that should not be "judged".

Another thing to mention is that many statistics that incriminate immigrants do not single-out Syrian Muslims, but "immigrants" as a whole. Perhaps the numbers would change if other variables were being accounted for.

As for Europeans becoming minorities on their own soil - that is very unlikely. According to Pew, Europe would only be about 10% Muslim by 2050, probably even less due to the rise of nationalism and nativism. Yes, new Muslim immigrants tend to have more children than Europeans, but the numbers become more similar in subsequent generations, and there are simply not enough Muslims in Europe to outnumber everyone even in 100 years. I'm afraid that the fatal blows of Christendom in Europe happened long before Muslim immigration, during the Protestant Reformation, the French Revolution, and the Renaissance.

Lastly, most Syrians question how irreconcilable the differences are between Europeans and Syrians. Syria has inherited much of the Greco-Roman Platonic and Aristotelian culture, and shares a lot with other Mediterranean cultures. The Syrian diaspora to the West has been going on a lot longer than this crisis, and here in Canada, I've run into many run-of-the-mill white Canadians who had a Syrian or Lebanese ancestor somewhere in their family tree. We see ourselves as an asset, not a threat, and hopefully, these Syrians can bring back some traditionalism to Europe, before it falls apart completely.

[baqar]

1 hour ago, Undeserving but faithful said:

Even though Islam and Christianity have a horribly brutal and bloody history fighting one another, perhaps i must learn to accept God's will and see this Islamic migration as a potential blessing. 

You are right. They have a brutal history fighting one another but they also have a brutal history fighting themselves.

 

1 hour ago, Undeserving but faithful said:

To Muslims, if Christians would act as true Christians, do you believe this type of alliance would be possible?

Absolutely, brother.

The Prophet treated Jews and Christians as well as he could. The Jews were not prepared to have a meaningful dialogue but the Christian behaviour brought down praises for Christians in the Quran [Q. 5:82-85].

According to the March 2009 issue of the National Geographic, there is a document in the St. Catherine's monastery on Mt Sinai, which the monastery claims was a deed of amnesty to the Christians, written personally by the Prophet.  

So there is no reason why Christians and Muslims cannot move forward together for the common good and fight the godlessness that has swept the planet.   

[Undeserving but faithful]

kirtc, @kirtc

I agree the godlessness has been halted in some ways by this, and as God's methods can be very difficult to accept at times, perhaps myself and my fellow Christians need to reflect on this as the will of God.  Westerners, especially Western women, seem to live in a very delusional world of Hollywood's indoctrination.  They have forgotten the incredible importance of modesty, and the damage that is caused when this is ignored.  There seems to be a universal law that evil only attracts more evil, and what is happening is a perfect example of this.  It is sad, it is horrible, but though it is difficult for me to say this, it is not unwarranted.  If anything, i am most angry at the European men who act as cowards and refuse to fight for their women.

The partnership that is developing between Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Russia truly is one of the greatest and most important things happening in the world today.  I pray more Christian and Muslims continue our mutual interests in service to God.  Perhaps that is the starting place for a Christian-Islamic alliance throughout Europe.

I agree 100% that most of these Syrian migrants are good people, only seeking safety and security for their families.  I believe that Christians have an obligation to help these people in many ways, but how their governments are going about it only fuels many of these problems.  I truly feel they don't care about their own countries, and they don't even care about the refugees, they are only trying to consolidate more power and control over their citizenry.  And I would agree that perhaps Europe needs good, true Muslims to fight against these evils, as it does seem that Muslims inarguably have a much greater understanding of what is actually happening with these governments.

I thank you for your reply friend.
 

[Undeserving but faithful]

Qa'im,

The way Syrians are portrayed by our media is horrible.  Everything you have mentioned, the rich history of Syria, the brilliant minds throughout Syrian history are completely ignored, and only negative images are shown.  I don't know as much about Syria as i should, and i need to learn more, but I do carry a great respect for your country, your people, and your history.

I find our hypocrisy with the Gulf states one of the great indicators of Western governments disingenuous concern for refugees.  These politicians care nothing about the actual people as long as they can force their political agenda, and gain more power.  They will stand by a terrorist Wahhabist government, in support of oil lobbyists and Zionism before they give any concern to humanity.

I agree there is definitely a place for Islam in Europe.  There is a strong spiritual void as well as the economic void that you mentioned.  I also want to add something to your mention of the rape culture in Europe.  When i was in high school, we had a German foreign exchange student who told us that they would get drunk, and when girls passed out, they felt they had the right to violate them and rape them.  Much of this happens of American campuses too.  I would agree that this hookup culture has led many to feeling they are entitled to do these sorts of things.  This needs to be fought against just as strong and just as harshly as the sexual assaults committed by migrants.  

Another important thing to add, the German people were culturally and socially destroyed after WWII.  There has since been over 70 years of lies and propaganda to break down the German people, and it has turned them into a tremendously broken people.  The German people of today, are not what the German people are supposed to be.

I feel the Syrians arriving in Europe with good intentions, just looking for a better life and trying to contribute to the community are without a doubt a great asset.  These people are also horribly under represented in the media.  I am just deeply concerned about those that do not wish to be a contributing factor to the community, and seek conquest of Europe.  There are without a doubt far fewer immigrants with harmful intentions, but there is still a serious problem with those that do.

I enjoyed reading your reply, and i thank you for your response
 

[Undeserving but faithful]

Baqar, @baqar

When we unite, it will truly be an incredible time to be alive.  I pray it comes as soon as possible.  This debauchery, godlessness, and Zionism that dominated the world will be a horrible memory of the past.

I thank you for your response friend.
 

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

There are already scholzrs, most notably Imran Hossain, whor believe there will be an alliance of Muslim and Christian countries before the apocalypse. Of course, Europe and America are not Christian countries. So Rus siang is probably the last Christian nation. Of the 5 most powerful Muslim countries (Iran Turkey Pakistan Saudi Arabia and Egypt), only the last tword have not warmed up to Russia. 

Others, like Imam Muhammad al Asi, believe that there will be a war between the Jews and Muslims, for they have committed their second mischief in the land.

Whence Shia can get over their differences, and after that all Muslims, then if God wills it will be a great time to live indeed.

[hasanhh]

@Undeserving but faithful

First, your name. lt is hadith to speak confidently.

2nd, from your title: lslam is easy to understand. As you as Christian can understand it, lslam is absolutely strict 1st Commandment and 2nd Commandment. Breaking these are two of the three things that are not  forgiven to anyone for any reason.

[Qa'im]

Thank you for your kind gesture of unity. You may be surprised that people like Steve Jobs, Jerry Seinfeld, and many other mainstream people have a Syrian origin. More than 10% of American physicians are Muslim, even though Muslims only account for 1-2% of the American population. Most of us are ordinary people, we certainly have problems in our community, but it makes more sense to focus on ideas rather than race.

Christians can work with Muslims in promoting family values in a time of LGBTQWERTY, broken homes, late abortions, third-wave feminism, hook-up culture, and waning interest in marriage. We can help impoverished people, take on the global oligopoly, defeat takfiri (Saudi-inspired) terrorism, promote traditional art and architecture, and bring nobility, chivalry, and modesty back to relevance in this age of decadence and frivolity.

As for Christ, we pray for his return, and we hope you can find that Christ is much bigger than the New Testament and European Christianity. We see Christianity as taught by Christ as a form of Islam, and I had the privilege of translating many of the stories of Jesus found in the oldest Shia literature:

 

[Guest Humble Human Being]

May God forgive you for what you say against Oneness of God is very bad and you don't know about it. Jesus(PBUH) was one of the great Prophet of God, God has given him miracles as his signs. My fellow believer, ask your self a simple question, did Jesus(PBUH) pray and called people to pray? the answer would be simply yes. then ask yourself to Whom did he pray?  Of Course! to God he(PBUH) prayer and called every single one to do the same.

 

[Abdul-Hadi]

Moderator, please delete this thread.

This is the most obvious example of social engineering by the American alt-right that I have seen to date.

[baqar]

2 hours ago, GD41586 said:

This is the most obvious example of social engineering by the American alt-right that I have seen to date.

Really? 

Brother, what gives you that impression?

[Laayla]

4 hours ago, GD41586 said:

Moderator, please delete this thread.

This is the most obvious example of social engineering by the American alt-right that I have seen to date.

Bismehe Ta3ala,

GD has a right to be concerned.  Let's not forget when FBI sends collaborators to worship along side other muslims in mosques.

It's hard to judge sincerity online.

I appreciate Qaim taking the time to respond for those who are really searching for answers and truth.

Unity between christians and shias can be seen in Lebanon.  But I will quote Hajj Malcom here

[Laayla]

4 hours ago, GD41586 said:

Moderator, please delete this thread.

This is the most obvious example of social engineering by the American alt-right that I have seen to date.

Bismehe Ta3ala,

GD has a right to be concerned.  Let's not forget when FBI sends collaborators to worship along side other muslims in mosques.

It's hard to judge sincerity online.

I appreciate Qaim taking the time to respond for those who are really searching for answers and truth.

Unity between christians and shias can be seen in Lebanon.  But I will quote Hajj Malcom here

[reisiger]

14 hours ago, Undeserving but faithful said:

Guest Justice Lover,

 

I feel Trump has some serious issues, and he is controlled by Zionists in many ways.  I'm very glad Clinton is not in office, but i cannot say I am a Trump supporter.

I do not want to say I am a white nationalist because of many of the ways that they represent themselves I find very distasteful.  I do carry respect for men like David Duke for standing up to the evils of Zionism, but i cannot say i am a part of their group.  However, i do have a very strong European-American identity, and refuse to accept the farce of white guilt, and uncontrolled multiculturalism throughout the West that is engineered to make us easier to control via division.

 

Hello!  I actually went through something similar in that I had a lot of questions and something drew me toward Islam.  I happened to be in the seminary program for the Episcopal church at the time, so I know full well that moment of questioning the central doctrines of post Nicaea Christianity can be terrible.  I remember the hours of intense agony over it, praying tearfully for guidance.  Alhamdulillah (the praise be to God) I received it.

I will be more than happy to help answer any questions you may have about Islam.  Please don't be put off by my avatar.  I am far left (obviously), but some things are massively more important than politics, especially seeking God.  If I can answer anything at all, please feel welcome to ask, either here or by direct message.

One worry I have is that when someone, specifically from our region of the world looks into Islam, there is a hodge-podge of info out there, but not all is reliable.  Many critics, thinking they are doing a good thing, attack Islam based on out-of-context quotes of the Qur'an or the traditions and teachings of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him and his family).  I will gladly help with a western-friendly explanation (I am not a scholar) of the Qur'an, how it was revealed, and obstacles that a non Arabic speaker has to understanding it. 

No matter what else you may read of Islam, please always remember that Islam does not mean peace.  It does have peace in the word.  Islam is a peaceful faith, but it is OK to fight back, as our brothers standing up to the Zionist transgressors do, but it is important to know the limits and the rules and not to transgress them.

The easiest way I can describe the essence of Islam, and if you only take one thought from this, it's this one:

Islam means the complete submission to the will of Almighty God in peace and sincerity.  We believe that we have a place in the universe and a purpose, and that is to live according to His commandments.  Our purpose is to worship God, and we can do that in our daily prayers, and (I believe) with correct intention, any act of kindness or goodness can be an act of worship.

God calls Himself Allah, and so do we.  Allah is an interesting word in Arabic because it is what is known as a perfected word.  It cannot be pluralized, nor does it have gender.  Like Whom the word represents: there is only Allah (may He be glorified and praised) and although we say "He," this is a rule of grammar and not an assertion that God is masculine.  Allah (may He be glorified and praised) is beyond all human descriptions.

Jesus (peace be upon him) explains it perfectly when he says:

hear O Israel; the LORD your God is One, and you shall love Him with all your mind, heart, and strength.  And the second commandment is like unto it: you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.  On this hangs the Law and the Prophets.

And we believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) was a mighty prophet who came with blazing miracles and truths to a stubborn people.  He taught love and compassion, and mankind's knowing our place before our Lord, and he also taught that we cannot simply follow rules once a week and be OK- the entire basis of the Judaic law he taught and which Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) preached as God commanded him to emphasize again and again the rights of the Creator and of His creation, and beautifully illustrate deen.  Deen is mistranslated as religion, but it really means "way of life," in the same way that Christians talk about "walking the walk as well as talking the talk."  Deen is exactly that, and all that Islam is is living properly and correctly as our Creator wants us to; being completely submissive to His law, and trusting that He is the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful and that all that He wants for us is best for us in this life and the next.

Lastly, and I know many non Muslims ask about how non Muslims are treated by Muslims, and I believe Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (peace be upon him) says it perfectly when he says that: people are of two types; they are either your brothers in faith or your equals in humanity. 

Anyway, if you have questions, and I can answer them, I will be glad to.  If there was anything good in my thoughts, it is from Allah (may He be praised and glorified above all that is associated with Him), and all errors are mine (astaghfirullah- God forgive me), and may we all be guided to truth and the ultimate success.  In shaa Allah (God willing).

Peace be with you,

R

 

[Undeserving but faithful]

GD41586,

 

I'm sorry if my beliefs offend you.  I'm not coming to this chat room with anything but respect for the people here, including yourself.  However, i don't feel i deserve any censorship.  I am immersing myself in Shia and Islamic philosophy, and trying to gain greater insight.  If respectfully explaining my beliefs, and asking others for their understandings offends you, i don't think anyone can help you except yourself.

 

Thank you

[Undeserving but faithful]

Laayla,

 

I feel if I was trying to infiltrate the Islamic world, i would fake being a Muslim.  I do understand your concern though, but i'm just trying to connect with Muslims and discuss beliefs and insights.

 

I couldn't agree more that the media is the tool used to weaponize the masses into senseless anger and disdain for those they do not understand.  From the blatant news propaganda, to the subtle (and much more dangerous) messages in movies and TV shows, it truly has become a satanic entity.

 

Thank you for you response.

[Undeserving but faithful]

reisiger,

 

I thank you for your response, and I respect your extension of kindness.  Some of my best friends are leftists, and some of the best conversations i've had were with leftists.  I feel honest people differ in beliefs, not because either of us are necessarily wrong, but because we are drawn to defend different values.  I feel that most of us are just trying to find a greater truth.

 

I couldn't agree more that the media does not care about showing a fair explanation of Islam.  They only care about fear and ad revenue.  They find the worst representations of Clerics and Imams, who represent the worst arguments, and pretend they are showing Islam fairly.  I find it frustrating, but I imagine, it would be enraging if i were Muslim.  This is why i love discussing these beliefs with Muslims.  Even as a Christian i have gained great wisdom listening to Muslims, and i truly feel it has made me a better Christian.  We are Abrahamic brothers, and the media seems to want us to forget that.

 

Your reply gave me much to think about, and I will continue to reflect on whether i am doing enough as a Christian to satisfy God.  I can very much feel your enthusiasm, and i respect the energy Islam has provided you.  I again thank you for taking the time to share your insight.

 

Thank you friend

[baqar]

10 hours ago, Laayla said:

GD has a right to be concerned.  

May be but he should bring his evidence.

To me, there doesn't seem to be any real evidence at this point. 

 

[baqar]

A hadith of the Prophet

Treat your parents, neighbours and guests with the highest amount of respect, even if they happen to be infidels.

Our guest therefore needs to be treated respectfully unless it can be categorically proven that he is here with some sinister motive. 

No indications to that effect yet, I think! 

[Abdul-Hadi]

7 hours ago, baqar said:

May be but he should bring his evidence.

To me, there doesn't seem to be any real evidence at this point. 

 

OP's entire post is absolutely riddled with Alt-Right signaling. I know their ideology inside and out because it is nothing more than the same tired, pathetic, Angry White Male drivel that does what it's inner circle always does when they crawl back out of the sewer like Pennywise the Clown with every generation: they poison the minds of young white men who feel threatened and marginalized by cultural shifts and then groom them to spread their message with some racing stripes and a blast of "new car" deodorizer.

They did it in the 90s, they did it in the early-mid 2000s, and they are doing it again now with gusto due to the backlash against "political correctness" which is perceived as a "leftist tool for silencing dissent" (reality: the American left & right both have their own versions of PC language according to their ideology). The PC "backlash" is nothing more than the previous argument they tried a decade ago: "(they) claim to be so 'tolerant' but they won't 'tolerate' our beliefs!"

Furthermore, OP made their account this past Saturday and has limited all of their posts to this one thread and even directly responded to my concerns in typical fashion of denying any ill intent and claiming to be sincere in their interest.

I've taken some of OP's quotes and marked them, then will further break them down for the SC community.

 

On 3/6/2017 at 4:28 PM, Undeserving but faithful said:

Greetings,

 

To begin this, I need to express that I am not a Western leftist, or anyone trying to virtue signal to Muslims about how "open-minded" i am.  I believe in God, country, community, family, and honor.  I reject the godlessness of modern America, and seek to resemble my ancestors and their faith.  I am the descendant of French Huguenot pilgrims that came to America in the early 17th century, American militiamen that fought against the British, and Confederate soldiers that fought against an invading Federal government.  I would give my life to fight this godlessness that has taken the West. 

Now though i consider myself a true patriot, i despise the American government (and mostly all Western governments) that have been the source of our moral decay and separation from God.  Since 1861, they have been the only true enemy of Christianity and the freewill of the American people, and now their tyranny has spread throughout the world.  I would give my life to fight against this satanic entity without hesitation.

I am reaching out to Shias because i see them fighting this same cause, but with remarkable honor.  I listen to Ayatollah Khamenei, and Hassan Nasrallah, and their insight and wisdom.  The NSA is probably going to have a field day with me after saying this, but i have a great respect for Hezbollah, and the Islamic revolution of Iran.  I will not condemn men who are willing to fight and die to protect Christians and innocent civilians against Daesh in Syria and Iraq.  No where else in the world can a resistance movement even begin to compare.  I cannot deny that i have felt an urge to convert to Shia Islam, but my heart feels empty when i drift from Christ.  Even though i know that there is still a great respect for Jesus as a prophet in Islam, my soul cannot abandon Christianity.

I am learning more and more about Islam everyday, and gaining more and more respect, but i do have some serious concerns about what is happening with migration and the heinous crimes that are following.  Before anyone else, i again condemn these governments for destabilizing these Middle Eastern countries (and i would even go so far as to speculate that these criminals have engineered this to tear apart Europe, making it easier to control).  However, this doesn't change the fact that there is now a horrible rape epidemic that is plaguing European women, the terrorist attacks, the migrants assaults, etc. etc., and the fact that in the next hundred years, native Europeans and Christians may be a minority on their own soil.  I cannot tolerate this, and it absolutely drives me insane with rage.  I want to see Muslims and Christians living together peacefully, but capitulation to Islamic values in Western nations via immigration is invasion, and i believe wholeheartedly European men need to begin to fight back.

I know these are not true Muslims, but how else does a Christian fight this invasion without fighting Islamic migration?  Of course, there are Muslims who condemn this, but with the undeniable spike in crimes coming from Muslim migrants (especially horrific migrant sex crimes), what is there left to do?

To the Muslims reading this, could you ever imagine seeing a Christian-Islamic alliance to fight both the criminal Western governments, the Zionist control of our government, media and their debauchery, but also the criminal migrants assaulting Western women, and disrespecting our nations?  There would have to be compromises on both sides, but do you believe there is a possibility for this?

And when i say Christians, i don't mean the modern Western Christian.  Imagine Christianity could be reformed to where we resemble what we were during the Renaissance up until the 19th century.  Men like Jan III Sobieski, and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson.  Honorable men who stand against immorality and invasion with great honor, and do so, without fear, and give all credit to God.

Even though Islam and Christianity have a horribly brutal and bloody history fighting one another, perhaps i must learn to accept God's will and see this Islamic migration as a potential blessing.  The understanding of God and honor has been lost in the West, and with the rise of immoral atheism, we see their replacement. I believe there is great potential for Muslims and Christians to unite and fight against these evils, bringing an end to this horrible violence between our two religions.  However, i am not a Muslim, and I do not know if this is possible.  To Muslims, if Christians would act as true Christians, do you believe this type of alliance would be possible?

 

I want to end saying i greatly respect true Islam, and I thank you for reading this wall of text,

 

Sincerely,

 

[Name removed by moderator]

 

PS I must convey that though i condemn and despise the actions of the US Federal government and their use of the US military, i will always have a great respect for much of the American military community.  Though there is evil among their ranks, many of these men are very honorable.  They are men trying to serve their nation, but are horribly abused by the treachery and selfishness of their Generals and government.

Some fun facts about the American Alt-Right:

• Mostly comprised of younger white males heavily involved in video/tabletop gaming circles. Game themes are often political intrigue, warfare (medieval/fantasy & present-era).
• Socially inept, unsuccessful in America's largely fictitious & mythological "hook-up" culture, and highly insecure about it. Misogynistic, feel that females "owe" them sexual encounters but are pursuing males of other races due to "political correctness", etc.
• Fetishize the crusades & crusader imagery with the same spirit that college aged males fetishized Che Guevara & "communism" during the George W. Bush years.
• Claim an affiliation with Roman Catholic/Autocephalous Orthodox church or make appeals to "older" Christianity. Rarely if ever attend Masses/Liturgies. Have no actual understanding of either churche's doctrines, theology, history-- really only there for the knights.
• "European"/"Western"/"Christian" act as synonyms for "white". Unaware that Christianity was spread to Europe by Eastern missionaries. Hate Jews, unaware that Jesus lived in Roman-occupied Palestine and of the Jewish people.
  
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  On 3/6/2017 at 5:38 PM, Undeserving but faithful said:

   

  I do not want to say I am a white nationalist because of many of the ways that they represent themselves I find very distasteful.  I do carry respect for men like David Duke for standing up to the evils of Zionism, but i cannot say i am a part of their group.  However, i do have a very strong European-American identity, and refuse to accept the farce of white guilt, and uncontrolled multiculturalism throughout the West that is engineered to make us easier to control via division.

   

   

   

As a white guy who was born in America, baptized into the Roman Catholic church by his parents, and currently unaffiliated with any religious or political organization/party/lobby; I ask you this:

After this very last quote, what more evidence do you need?

[Laayla]

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Umm, I just saw confederate general and honorable  and in no way can the two be used together.

So many injustices occured to the blacks and natives, I can't tolerate reading the white man's story.  The story I know is colonization, sucking the blood and sweat of blacks, and intimidation to bow to unjust demands. You have a lot of gulf Ay-rabs and monarchies that bark to their masters, but Insh'Allah in time they will be no longer relevant in the age and return of Aba Salah (record this name down, as a chatter keyword).

Let him go read what they have done to the millions of people from other races in America and around the world.

America didn't belong to you from the beginning, hundreds of years of slavery, the savage killings of natives and your filthy diseases that wiped them out, and until this day war against villages in Pakistan, Afghanistan and the constant bombardment and the delibrate starvation of Yemen.

My blood boils and I get so angry seeing how you try to rationalize what is happening to the white man.  Booo &%**#%& hooo

Come to your senses before it is too late,because not even Jesus will look at you twice to save from your infatiutaion towards your race.

Salamun 3la man atab3 al huda

 

 

Edited March 8, 2017 by Laayla

[Laayla]

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by Laayla