IMAM (as) WILL KILL IF YOU DONT BECOME MUSLIM?

[MohammadAli1993]

I've read this Hadith on his Link

https://www.al-islam.org/an-overview-of-mahdi-s-government-najimuddin-tabasi/imam-al-mahdi-s-mode-conduct-enemies#f_319c07f8_24

This is very shocking

(Quran) “While to Him submit whosoever there is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly.”

The Imam (‘a) replied: “This verse has been revealed about al-Qa’im (‘atfs); it is when he rises up against the Jews, Christians, Sabeans, materialists, those who turned back from Islam, and the infidels of the east and west while offering Islam to them. He will command anyone who accepts it out of his own will to perform the prayers, pay the zakat and do whatever a Muslim ought to do. He will behead anyone who refuses to become Muslim so much so that not a single infidel will remain in both the east and west of the globe.”

‘Abdullah ibn Bakir asked: “May I be your ransom! There are a lot of people on earth. How could the Imam (‘atfs) make them Muslims or behead them?”

Imam al-Kazim (‘a) replied: “If God wills something, that which is few will become plenty and something plenty will become few.”

Ayyashi, Tafsir ‘Ayyashi, vol. 1, p. 183; Nur ath-Thaqalayn, vol. 1, p. 362; Ithbat al-Hudah, vol. 3, p. 549; Tafsir Safi, vol. 1, p. 267; Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 340.

Any thought?

[AliMohammed]

Yes, Imam Al-Mahdi [A] will come at a time of great injustice. A time where Allah orders the Imam [A] to leave no room for injustice, no room for so called "unity" with the people, unity will only be established under the umbrella of Islam and the wilayat of Ameerul mu'minin Ali (AS) the ultimate truth! So whomsoever opposes this idea will be destroyed by the Imam [A] truth will prevail as Allah has ordained it and not a single bit of injustice will remain. As for some scholars such as (Ammar nakshawani in his lectures about Imam Al-Mahdi [A] saying that Mahdi [A] will not come to destroy the churches or synagogs, yes perhaps Sahibuz Zaman [A] will not destroy infastructure but absolutely no religion will remain except the ultimate true religion and that is Islam, the Messiah Prophet Isa (AS) and other personalities with the Imam [A] will make sure of that. The Imam [A] will establish with his truthful 313 companions and others, the True Islamic goverment where not a single person is an unbeliever. It is then that the true potential of the human being will come about, the Imam [A] will teach us the hidden true knowledge and humankind (and jinn) will live as they were created to.

[iCambrian]

I dont want this to come off the wrong way, but this doesnt appear to be shocking at all imo. Typically, responses include either a statement that the hadith is non credible, or a statement that the hadith is credible, however these events could only occur at the hands of a divine figure (in this case al-Qa'im).

If I had a nickle for every time I've read similar literature, that appears to imply, that I could be killed for not converting (be it at the hands of a regular person or a holy figure), I would be a rich man. Same deal with the literature in relation to apostates.

Im interested in hearing responses.  What do you make of it Mohammad?

[Allah Seeker]

@iCambrian

The nations were angry,
    and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
    and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
    both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:18

[iCambrian]

Yes because those who are not Muslim are those who destroy the earth. Right...thanks.

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Theres one person, who, while I don't agree with everything he says, I do agree with one specific point he makes. @andres

many Christians, including myself, recognize that scripture has passed through the hands of mankind. It, while inspired by God, was written by men, about God. 

One should take scripture with a grain of salt, and have awareness of who it's authors are, and what their lives were like thousands of years ago. 

 

Edited February 27, 2017 by iCambrian

[MohammadAli1993]

19 hours ago, AliMohammed said:

Yes, Imam Al-Mahdi [A] will come at a time of great injustice. A time where Allah orders the Imam [A] to leave no room for injustice, no room for so called "unity" with the people, unity will only be established under the umbrella of Islam and the wilayat of Ameerul mu'minin Ali (AS) the ultimate truth! So whomsoever opposes this idea will be destroyed by the Imam [A] truth will prevail as Allah has ordained it and not a single bit of injustice will remain. As for some scholars such as (Ammar nakshawani in his lectures about Imam Al-Mahdi [A] saying that Mahdi [A] will not come to destroy the churches or synagogs, yes perhaps Sahibuz Zaman [A] will not destroy infastructure but absolutely no religion will remain except the ultimate true religion and that is Islam, the Messiah Prophet Isa (AS) and other personalities with the Imam [A] will make sure of that. The Imam [A] will establish with his truthful 313 companions and others, the True Islamic goverment where not a single person is an unbeliever. It is then that the true potential of the human being will come about, the Imam [A] will teach us the hidden true knowledge and humankind (and jinn) will live as they were created to.

You speak very confidently, how do you know all this? Have you got any proof 

[Allah Seeker]

On 2/27/2017 at 0:31 AM, iCambrian said:

Yes because those who are not Muslim are those who destroy the earth. Right...thanks.

Obviously Muslims will think they are on the winning team. Unless they are hypocrites of course!

[iCambrian]

30 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Obviously Muslims will think they are on the winning team. Unless they are hypocrites of course!

Being on the winning team doesn't have to equate to mass genocide of people of other faiths. Nor must it include people being beheaded.

[Allah Seeker]

29 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

Being on the winning team doesn't have to equate to mass genocide of people of other faiths. Nor must it include people being beheaded.

 

This is unlike anything that has ever happened, and "other faiths" are basically the enemies of God, and destroyers of the earth, the deceivers who cause poverty and injustice. David, Solomon and Moses killed people who wouldn't obey them, and this will simply be the final attempt that will actually work worldwide, without having the bad guys win in the end. (for a change)

 

Just like this verse that has still not happened yet:

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You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.’

30 “Now prophesy all these words against them and say to them:

“‘The Lord will roar from on high;
    he will thunder from his holy dwelling
    and roar mightily against his land.
He will shout like those who tread the grapes,
    shout against all who live on the earth.
31 The tumult will resound to the ends of the earth,
    for the Lord will bring charges against the nations;
he will bring judgment on all mankind
    and put the wicked to the sword,’”
declares the Lord.

32 This is what the Lord Almighty says:

“Look! Disaster is spreading
    from nation to nation;
a mighty storm is rising
    from the ends of the earth.”

33 At that time those slain by the Lord will be everywhere—from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

34 Weep and wail, you shepherds;
    roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock.
For your time to be slaughtered has come;
    you will fall like the best of the rams.[f]
35 The shepherds will have nowhere to flee,
    the leaders of the flock no place to escape.
36 Hear the cry of the shepherds,
    the wailing of the leaders of the flock,
    for the Lord is destroying their pasture.
37 The peaceful meadows will be laid waste
    because of the fierce anger of the Lord.
38 Like a lion he will leave his lair,
    and their land will become desolate
because of the sword[g] of the oppressor
    and because of the Lord’s fierce anger.

 

 

The righteous people will be safe, just like people of your faith believe that they will be safe. And the righteous people will have a leader who will be the executor of God's will, just like the angels are executing His will. That leader according to Muslims is Mahdi. It's that simple. Nothing to do with anything you can relate to with Muslim leaders of the earth today. 

 

The question is which group of people claiming to be of a certain faith will be on the safe side in the end. As mentioned above, and in the hadith of the OP, the problem is that even people who claim to be Muslim do not necessarily fit the cast. It will have to be truly chosen people by God, and my guess is that it will be a group of people who were born into various faiths and ethnicities who will heed the call of this leader who has not emerged yet. 

Edited February 27, 2017 by 313 Seeker

[iCambrian]

3 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

 

This is unlike anything that has ever happened, and "other faiths" are basically the enemies of God, and destroyers of the earth, the deceivers who cause poverty and injustice. David, Solomon and Moses killed people who wouldn't obey them, and this will simply be the final attempt that will actually work worldwide, without having the bad guys win in the end. (for a change)

 

Just like this verse that has still not happened yet:

 

The righteous people will be safe, just like people of your faith believe that they will be safe. And the righteous people will have a leader who will be the executor of God's will, just like the angels are executing His will. That leader according to Muslims is Mahdi. It's that simple. Nothing to do with anything you can relate to with Muslim leaders of the earth today. 

 

The question is which group of people claiming to be of a certain faith will be on the safe side in the end. As mentioned above, and in the hadith of the OP, the problem is that even people who claim to be Muslim do not necessarily fit the cast. It will have to be truly chosen people by God, and my guess is that it will be a group of people who were born into various faiths and ethnicities who will heed the call of this leader who has not emerged yet. 

In my views, all Muslims are not classed as "unrighteous" or "destroyers". And with that, I wouldn't say it were part of my faith that Muslims would be executed on judgement day. Which appears to be contrary to what you or the Hadith is claiming. 

And see post 5.

this all goes back to understanding that scripture has passed through the hands of man. The bible itself, a series of books written by different people at different times. Raised on varying environments with varying opinions, views, ideals.

So when you read about God executing all Jews and Christians ( as if all Jews and Christians could all be unrighteous ), you have to take it with a grain if salt.

Edited February 27, 2017 by iCambrian

[iCambrian]

Even in a Christian view, surely there would be righteous non christians in the world. It wouldn't make sense for Christ to transform into some divine executioner and just outright kill millions if not billions of people on the basis of faith.

kind if barbaric. 

[iCambrian]

Come to think of it. There is another force that has come in recent times with a "join me or die" mentality similar to why we are discussing. That's right, ISIS. Wonder where they got their inspiration.

[iCambrian]

On 2/27/2017 at 7:41 AM, 313 Seeker said:

This is unlike anything that has ever happened, and "other faiths" are basically the enemies of God, and destroyers of the earth, the deceivers who cause poverty and injustice. 

No judgement day has ever happened. Other faiths are not "destroyers of the earth" and are not necessarily "enemies of God". This is a pretty extreme opinion. 

Do you think christians of today are destroyers of the earth and enemies of God? Should I think that you are because I am of another faith? I certainly hope not. A great way to fuel discrimination is to have an opinion that others are lesser beings. What better way  to develop that mentality than to say they're enemies of God based on a subjective opinion.

[Allah Seeker]

@iCambrian

 

This same story is not just present in Islam or Christianity, but all throughout the world. There is no point trying to relate it to what was in the past or present (example ISIS or the crusaders), because it has never happened before - except on a micro-scale with prophets and saints who took up arms against their enemies.

People of God kill. Get over it!

 

As i mentioned to you before, Prophets of God were killing people too, and there is nothing "barbaric" about that. The reason is important and not how many people get killed.  

 

There isn't a law saying: "you can kill 7,000 people because they oppose your faith, but not more please! more is barbaric!"

 

So you either agree with the countless prophets of the past, or you call them barbaric as well.

 

And if you believe that the prophets of God were right in how they acted via the guidance of their Lord, then you can't blame the Mahdi as well.

 

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In my views, all Muslims are not classed as "unrighteous" or "destroyers". And with that, I wouldn't say it were part of my faith that Muslims would be executed on judgement day. Which appears to be contrary to what you or the Hadith is claiming. 

 

To know who is "unrighteous" or a "destroyer of the world", you would have to wait till the Mahdi ( translated = 'Guided One' ) emerges, and see who stands with him, and who acts against him.

The labels people have nowadays don't mean much. It's mostly inherited cultures, rather than real faith and understanding. Just like the Rabbis during the time of Jesus. Who cares about what people call themselves! But hey! They kind of won while being all lovey-dovey with the pagans (opposing 'faith' of God's true religion) of the time. And last thing Jesus said was  "sell your cloaks and buy swords!" In the long run we know who truly wins. And what a violent end the wrong-doers will have. 

If it is barbaric to kill somebody, would you say that God is 'barbaric' too by throwing them into fires of hell for all eternity? burning people alive while they can't even die or get released from the suffering is ok?

Edited February 27, 2017 by 313 Seeker

[iCambrian]

Last I checked, Jesus was not slaying Muslims. 

I don't believe that God burns any people for eternity in any literal fashion. Let alone non christians. 

I think mankind used eternal hellfire in an attempt to describe the worst fate a person could succumb to. But to take these details in a literal fashion is too conservative. I mean really, where would this fire be if eternal? The sun?

[iCambrian]

The people who defined these stories lived in times much different than now. This is thousands of years even prior to things like the Salem witch trials or practices in alchemy or sorcery. 

We need not interpret scripture in such a literal way. 

I think this is sort of the modern trouble than many religious people have. We look at Isis for example. The extremest elements of it are so assertive in taking a position that is subjective in nature, even to the extent they kill opposition over it. But in modern times, it is only leading to their failure. And it is making them out to be barbaric. It's as if they have travelled back in time, they're going in reverse with respect to understanding God. Back to the way things used to be generations ago. Their conservative, literal approach is their downfall.

and that is what we are seeing here in this topic. A confidence in a literal interpretation of a Hadith which holds no evidence. Even to the extent that it promotes the idea of killing all non Muslims.

 

Edited February 27, 2017 by iCambrian

[Allah Seeker]

Jesus is a Muslim,

He said things like: "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Feel free to interpret it the way you want, and soon we find out .. just a few breaths away.

 

[iCambrian]

3 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Jesus is a Muslim,

He said things like: "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Feel free to interpret it the way you want, and soon we find out .. just a few breaths away.

 

It has been over 2 thousand years. You wait for an ending that only exists in your conservative interpretation. 

 

[Lanatin]

55 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

I think this is sort of the modern trouble than many religious people have. We look at Isis for example. The extremest elements of it are so assertive in taking a position that is subjective in nature, even to the extent they kill opposition over it. But in modern times, it is only leading to their failure. And it is making them out to be barbaric. It's as if they have travelled back in time, they're going in reverse with respect to understanding God. Back to the way things used to be generations ago. Their conservative, literal approach is their downfall.

 

It's quite the opposite really, historically many schools of law and theology flourished side by side in muslim lands. Hence the four schools of law in sunni islam, the mutazilite rationalists and asharis, and countless other examples. Isis is a modern heresy that the muslims of the past would see as another incarnation of the kharijite heretics, the group that fought Imam Ali (as) and killed any muslim with a dissenting opinion. 

Dissent was seen as a virtue in its own right, based on this hadith: “If a judge makes a ruling, striving to apply his reasoning (ijtihad) and he is correct, then he will have two rewards. If a judge makes a ruling, striving to apply his reasoning and he is mistaken, then he will have one reward.”

 

عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِ أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ إِذَا حَكَمَ الْحَاكِمُ فَاجْتَهَدَ ثُمَّ أَصَابَ فَلَهُ أَجْرَانِ وَإِذَا حَكَمَ فَاجْتَهَدَ ثُمَّ أَخْطَأَ فَلَهُ أَجْرٌ

[iCambrian]

21 minutes ago, Lanatin said:

It's quite the opposite really, historically many schools of law and theology flourished side by side in muslim lands. Hence the four schools of law in sunni islam, the mutazilite rationalists and asharis, and countless other examples. Isis is a modern heresy that the muslims of the past would see as another incarnation of the kharijite heretics, the group that fought Imam Ali (as) and killed any muslim with a dissenting opinion. 

Dissent was seen as a virtue in its own right, based on this hadith: “If a judge makes a ruling, striving to apply his reasoning (ijtihad) and he is correct, then he will have two rewards. If a judge makes a ruling, striving to apply his reasoning and he is mistaken, then he will have one reward.”

 

عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِ أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ إِذَا حَكَمَ الْحَاكِمُ فَاجْتَهَدَ ثُمَّ أَصَابَ فَلَهُ أَجْرَانِ وَإِذَا حَكَمَ فَاجْتَهَدَ ثُمَّ أَخْطَأَ فَلَهُ أَجْرٌ

If the kharijite are of the past, then this supports my claim.

thanks,

[Allah Seeker]

1 hour ago, iCambrian said:

It has been over 2 thousand years. You wait for an ending that only exists in your conservative interpretation. 

 

 

You speak as though you died and came back to life knowing for sure what will happen. We will soon know who is right. Just a few heartbeats left in this countdown. I hope I am close to the prophets, including those that killed their enemies. Or do you think that David for instance killing people is also symbolic for something, and shouldn't be taken literally?

Edited February 27, 2017 by 313 Seeker

[Lanatin]

22 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

If the kharijite are of the past, then this supports my claim.

thanks,

You could say that, yes. They are carrying on their legacy. 

I only hope more people stress the heretical nature of these takfiri groups, whose intolerance the above mentioned hadith rebukes. 

[iCambrian]

30 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

 

You speak as though you died and came back to life knowing for sure what will happen. We will soon know who is right. Just a few heartbeats left in this countdown. I hope I am close to the prophets, including those that killed their enemies. Or do you think that David for instance killing people is also symbolic for something, and shouldn't be taken literally?

I can find people on this very website calling for doomsday a decade ago.  Dont hold your breath buddy

[Struggling_onn]

On 2/26/2017 at 2:00 PM, iCambrian said:

I dont want this to come off the wrong way, but this doesnt appear to be shocking at all imo. Typically, responses include either a statement that the hadith is non credible, or a statement that the hadith is credible, however these events could only occur at the hands of a divine figure (in this case al-Qa'im).

If I had a nickle for every time I've read similar literature, that appears to imply, that I could be killed for not converting (be it at the hands of a regular person or a holy figure), I would be a rich man. Same deal with the literature in relation to apostates.

Im interested in hearing responses.  What do you make of it Mohammad?

Many are already dead... if they truly knew. Only living corpses. 

But as for imam(As) killing people... He(as) will only kill those who will remain stubborn and continue to support evil and injustices.

If you think you'll be among those who will continue to support evil despite of all evidence of truth than yeah, may be he(as) will kill you too. but you'll be already dead, your soul would be already dead anyway. it's just it has be to be separated from your body so earth is relieved from your burden....

and if He(as) find me in the same state. I won't be surprise he(as) kill me too... !!! but i'm not sure i'm not going to support evil and injustice.. so i might not be as bad as others. but you never know... 

Edited February 28, 2017 by Struggling_onn

[Allah Seeker]

9 hours ago, iCambrian said:

I can find people on this very website calling for doomsday a decade ago.  Dont hold your breath buddy

 

it is a fact that our heartbeats will end, so let us brace ourselves for what comes next.

 

According to my religion, we all have to pass a bridge through hell on the way to paradise ( and some or most will not go beyond that ).

 

According to you hell doesn't actually exist as a place. As soon as our hearts stop beating we will be closer to finding out. 

 

"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." Luke 12:5

[iCambrian]

Sure

[Fahad Sani]

On 2/25/2017 at 6:14 PM, MohammadAli1993 said:

This is very shocking

Yes. Its very shocking to see the blindness, dumbness and ignorance of Al-Islam.org, of shia Tafasir and of their followers.

Here is the full verse. Aal Imran 83.

Are they looking for a religion other than the Deen (religion and Way of Life) of Allah knowing well that everything in the heavens and in the earth, willingly or unwillingly, has submitted to Him? And to Him they shall all return.

And it refers to Allah swt. Not to shia 12th Imam. 

To better understand consider verses from 81 to 85. As they are also explained in shia Tafsir Mizan. http://www.almizan.org/

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The verses are not disjointed from the preceding ones; they have been revealed in the same context. Earlier, Allah had described that the People of the Book transgressed the limits by indulging in alteration of the Books they were given, creating doubts and confusion among the people, making differences between the prophets, and rejecting the signs of the truth of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.); then He showed how impossible it was for a prophet like Musa or 'Isa (peace be on them both) to tell the people to take him or some other prophets or the angels as their lords - as the Christians openly claimed and the Jews implied.

 

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QUR'AN: and to Him submits whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly: This is the Islam - submission - that encompasses all who are in the heavens and the earth, including the People of the Book, who it says, are not Muslims. The word used here is "aslama" (he submitted), in past tense, which shows that the action has already taken place; in other words, they have already submitted to Allah.

 

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QUR'AN: and to Him shall they be returned: It is another reason why they must seek Islam as religion. They are bound to return to Allah, their true Lord; they would not be able to hide from Allah or to go to what their disbelief and polytheism leads them to rely on.

 

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There are several other traditions narrated by al-'Ayyashi and al-Qummi (in their books) and others, in explanation of the verse, And when Allah made a covenant with the prophets... In those traditions the words, you must believe in him, and you must aid him, have been explained as follows: You must believe in the Messenger of Allah and you must aid the Leader of the faithful- blessings and peace be on them. Obviously, these tradtions refer the former pronoun, him, to the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) and the later, him, to the Leader of the faithful ('Ali, a.s.), without there being any proof or association for it in the wording of the verse.

@notme This is truth. This thread is another example on blindness, dumbness and ignorance of twelver shias. They are nothing but blind followers of ahlebait a.s.

[Hassan-]

8 minutes ago, Fahad Sani said:

@notme This is truth. This thread is another example on blindness, dumbness and ignorance of twelver shias. They are nothing but blind followers of ahlebait a.s. 

Insulting the shias (who are following the true path of Allah) on a shia forum is not a wise decision bro. 

[Hassan-]

Fahad Sani it was fun debating with you and exposing your ignorance on this forum, it's too bad you had to be immature and disrespectful to the shias, who are with the truth. I hope one day Allah will show you the light and guide you to the right path.

[MohammadAli1993]

On 3/2/2017 at 1:39 AM, Fahad Sani said:

Yes. Its very shocking to see the blindness, dumbness and ignorance of Al-Islam.org, of shia Tafasir and of their followers.

Here is the full verse. Aal Imran 83.

Are they looking for a religion other than the Deen (religion and Way of Life) of Allah knowing well that everything in the heavens and in the earth, willingly or unwillingly, has submitted to Him? And to Him they shall all return.

And it refers to Allah swt. Not to shia 12th Imam. 

To better understand consider verses from 81 to 85. As they are also explained in shia Tafsir Mizan. http://www.almizan.org/

@notme This is truth. This thread is another example on blindness, dumbness and ignorance of twelver shias. They are nothing but blind followers of ahlebait a.s.

What are you talking about? We ask  Questions here also to learn from those who have faced such narrations before. I don't see no blind following but just an ignoring person like you who makes empty statements. Don't even dare tell me that Sunnis don't blind follow. So please be quite. In every religion, blind following exists..

[ShiaMan14]

On 3/2/2017 at 1:39 AM, Fahad Sani said:

Yes. Its very shocking to see the blindness, dumbness and ignorance of Al-Islam.org, of shia Tafasir and of their followers.

I have (had) the perfect response to this but unfortunately the Mods were too quick to pull the trigger.

On 3/2/2017 at 1:50 AM, Hassan Y said:

Insulting the shias (who are following the true path of Allah) on a shia forum is not a wise decision bro. 

Done on purpose

On 3/2/2017 at 2:34 AM, Hassan Y said:

Fahad Sani it was fun debating with you and exposing your ignorance on this forum, it's too bad you had to be immature and disrespectful to the shias, who are with the truth. I hope one day Allah will show you the light and guide you to the right path.

This MO is quite common. Once they run out of rhetoric, they turn to abuse in the hopes of getting banned so they can claim victory amongst their peers.

[MohammadAli1993]

Is there anyone here who has an idea to what this narration is saying.

[MohammadAli1993]

Look what I found brothers and sister

Alhamdullilah 

at 40:42 the Sayed speaks about the hadith i posted on this thread , i would also recommend for everyone to listen to the Lecture

Edited May 12, 2017 by MohammadAli1993
Typo

[Allah Seeker]

in this hadith below from Al-Kafi Vol 5, there is an indication that the Qa'im will deal differently than his predecessors because he knows that he will be dominant. The reason why his predecessors were lenient seems to be in order to protect their own shias and families. Imam Hassan dealt differently with Muwawya than his father did. I believe that the way Imams and prophets deal with their enemies depends on context in time and space. Yet they all resemble the prophet in their own ways. (taqya is a must until the time of the qa'im, when taqya veil will fall down)

there is another hadith, which i don't know if it is true or not, which states that prophet mohamed came as a merci on mankind, while the qaim will be a vengeance. One represents the merci of God, the other represents the anger / ghadab of God. 

I think ISIS is pretending to be the movement of Mahdi. Just because they are having a very violent disposition against innocent people, does not mean that the Mahdi won't have a similar disposition against people who deserve it, including the ones who created ISIS and the likes throughout history. I would not dismiss those hadiths, as the speaker above Ahmad Al-Qazwini has been doing more or less.

[AfricanShia]

On 2017-2-25 at 6:14 PM, MohammadAli1993 said:

I've read this Hadith on his Link

https://www.al-islam.org/an-overview-of-mahdi-s-government-najimuddin-tabasi/imam-al-mahdi-s-mode-conduct-enemies#f_319c07f8_24

This is very shocking

(Quran) “While to Him submit whosoever there is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly.”

The Imam (‘a) replied: “This verse has been revealed about al-Qa’im (‘atfs); it is when he rises up against the Jews, Christians, Sabeans, materialists, those who turned back from Islam, and the infidels of the east and west while offering Islam to them. He will command anyone who accepts it out of his own will to perform the prayers, pay the zakat and do whatever a Muslim ought to do. He will behead anyone who refuses to become Muslim so much so that not a single infidel will remain in both the east and west of the globe.”

‘Abdullah ibn Bakir asked: “May I be your ransom! There are a lot of people on earth. How could the Imam (‘atfs) make them Muslims or behead them?”

Imam al-Kazim (‘a) replied: “If God wills something, that which is few will become plenty and something plenty will become few.”

Ayyashi, Tafsir ‘Ayyashi, vol. 1, p. 183; Nur ath-Thaqalayn, vol. 1, p. 362; Ithbat al-Hudah, vol. 3, p. 549; Tafsir Safi, vol. 1, p. 267; Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 340.

Any thought?

At the time of the return of Qa'im the world will be messed up and the infidels, kafirs will be ruthless people and will have spread destruction over the whole planet.