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44 minutes ago, Fahad Sani said:

Some narrations from shia books about those sahabah who are at the top of the list of twelver shias.

 

علي بن الحكم، عن سيف بن عميرة، عن أبي بكر الحضرمي، قال: أبو جعفر عليه السلام ارتد الناس: الا ثلاثة نفر سلمان وأبو ذر والمقداد قال: قلت فعمار ؟ قال: قد كان جاض جيضة ثم رجع، ثم قال: ان اردت الذي لم يشك ولم يدخله شئ فالمقداد، فأما سلمان فانه عرض في قلبه عارض ان عند امير المؤمنين عليه السلام اسم الله الاعظم لو تكلم به لاخذتهم الارض وهو هكذا، فلبب ووجئت عنقه حتى تركت كالسلقة، فمر به أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام فقال له يا أبا عبد الله هذا من ذاك بايع، فبايع، وأما أبو ذر فأمره أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بالسكوت ولم يكن ياخذه في الله لومة لا ئم فأبي الا أن يتكلم فمر به عثمان فأمر به، ثم أناب الناس بعد فكان أول من أناب أبو سنان الانصاري وأبو عمرة وشتيرة وكانوا سبعة، فلم يكن يعرف حق أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام الا هولاء السبعة

Abu bakr hizrmi narrates from Abu Jafar that all except three apostated (after the death of the Prophet peace be upon him). They are Salman, Abu Dharr, and Miqdad. I said “and Ammar?”  He said “he also, but later he came back” Then he said “If you want to see the one who never doubted at all, than he is Miqdad. Salman thought that Amir ul Momineen has Ism-e-Azam , if he recites it, earth will engulf these people (than why is he not reciting it? He meant the people who were making Abu Bakr the caliph). He was thinking so that his throat was held, and became such as if its skin had been torn away. Amir ul Momineen went towards him and said “O Abu Abdullah, this is the punishment for thinking like that. Pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr” So he pledged allegiance to him. And about Abu Dharr, Amir ul momineen told him to keep silent, but he never cared for anyone in such matters. So Uthman ordered that he be beaten up. Then some people repented, the first of whom was Abu Sasan Ansari, Abu Asra and Shatira. So no one realized the haq of Amir ul Momineen except these seven.

Rijal Kashi p. 11, Bihar al Anwar 22/440

 

وعن أبي بصير قال: سمعت أبا عبد الله رضي الله عنه يقول: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا سلمان ، لو عرض علمك على مقداد لكفر ، يا مقداد لو عرض علمك على سلمان لكفر

Abu Basir narrates that I heard Imam Jafar Sadiq saying “The Prophet (s) said “O Salman, if what you know is presented to Miqdad ,than he will become unbeliever, and O Miqdad, “If what you know is presented to Salman, than he will become unbeliever”

Rijal Kashi p. 11

 

عن عمران بن موسى ، عن هارون بن مسلم ، عن مسعدة بن صدقة ، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال : ذكرت التقية يوما عند علي بن الحسين عليهما السلام فقال : والله لو علم أبو ذر ما في قلب سلمان لقتله

Imam Jafar Sadiq said that Taqiya was mentioned in front of Ali bin Hussain, he said “By God, if Abu Dharr knew what is present in the heart of Salman, he would have killed him”

Usul Kafi 1/401

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A review of Shiite narrations on {“Apostosy” of Sahaba}:

http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3209:a-review-of-shiite-narrations-on-{“apostosy=”-of-sahaba}=&catid=203&lang=en&Itemid=115

 

A hadith explaining the situation in more detail:

“Abu Ja’far (as) has said that: ‘The people, when they did what they did, they pledged their allegiances to Abu Bakr, nothing prevented Amir-ul- Momineen (as) calling the people to himself except that he looked around at the people and feared for them that they would renege from Al-Islam, and resort to worshipping the idols and not testify that there is no god except Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì and that Muhamamd Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå is the Rasool Allah, and it was more beloved to him (as) than he should agree with them upon what they had done rather than them reneging against the whole of Al-Islam.

But rather, destroyed is the one who does what they did. So, as for the one who did not do that, and entered into what the people had entered into without knowledge or enmity against Amir-ul- Momineen (as), so for that they have neither blasphemed nor exited from Al-Islam, and it is for that reason that Ali (as) concealed his matter, and had to pledge allegiance unwillingly, when he did not find any helpers’.”

Sanad: Humeyd Bin Ziyad, from Al-Hassan Bin Muhammad Al-Kindy, from someone else, from Abaan Bin Usmaan, from Al-Fazel, from Zurara 
Source: Kitab Al-Kaafi, Volume 8, Hadith #14902 
Grading:
– Bahboody – Sahih بهبودي صحيح
– Majlisi, As Reliable مجلسي كالموثق [Mira’at Al-Uqool, Alammah Majlisi, Volume 26, Page 326]

 

http://purifiedhousehold.com/why-imam-ali-as-did-not-rise-up/

 

19 minutes ago, Fahad Sani said:

Even the great Ibn Abbas is being cursed in shia rijal book Rijal Kashi by Imam Ali a.s

 

اللهم العن ابني فلان واعم أبصارهما ، كما عميت قلوبهما.. واجعل عمى أبصارهم دليلاً على عمى قلوبهما

Ali said “O Allah , curse his sons (i.e Abdullah ibn Abbas and Ubaidullah ibn Abbas), and blind their eyes , as their hearts are blind.”

Rijal Kashi, p. 53

 

Al Khoi writes in his book “maujma rijal ul hadeeth”

و روى محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد عن محمد بن سنان عن موسى بن بكر الواسطي عن الفضيل بن يسار عن أبي جعفر ع قال: سمعته يقول قال أمير المؤمنين ع: اللهم العن ابني فلان و أعم أبصارهما، كما أعميت قلوبهما الأجلين في رقبتي و اجعل عمى أبصارهما دليلا على عمى قلوبهما. 
و هي ضعيفة بالإرسال أولا لجهالة طريق الكشي إلى محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد و بمحمد بن سنان و موسى بن بكر الواسطي ثانيا.

this narration is daif with being mursal, first in regards to the path of kashi to mohammad bin esa bin ubaid, and with mohammad bin sanan and musa bin bakr wasti secondly

[maujam rijal ul hadeeth, vol 10, page 238]

 

Allama Ardabaili said about abdullah bin abbas in his jami’i-ur-ruwat

Abdullah bin abbas, who is a lover of imam ali asws and his student; his greatness and his loyalty with imam ali asws is well known; and is not hidden from anyone; allama kashi has narrated some narration which discredit him, however his status is high than that; but the narrations which kashi has narrated, these are five in number; and these are all daif in chains

[jami'i-ur-ruwaat, vol 1, page 494, printed iran]

 

http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2798:ibn-abbas-–-main-narrator-of-shia-text-did-imam-asws-curse-him=&catid=192:shia-ulama-a-books&lang=en&Itemid=108

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50 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Thanks ^

Any info on identity of Abu Sasan , Abu Asra and Shatira ?

Marifat rijal Toosi http://lib.eshia.ir/14015/1/52

Mojam Rijal Al-Khoi http://www.al-khoei.us/books/?id=8294

3761 - الحصين بن المنذر: يكنى أبا ساسان الرقاشي: صاحب راية أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام، من أصحاب علي عليه السلام، رجال الشيخ (31). وعد البرقي من أصفياء أصحاب أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام، ومن شرطة خميسه أبا سنان، ووصفه بالانصاري، عند عده من أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله، وعد أبا ساسان من أصحاب الصادق عليه السلام ويأتي. وقال الكشي في ترجمة سلمان (1): " محمد بن إسماعيل. قال: حدثني الفضل ابن شاذان، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن إبراهيم بن عبد الحميد، عن أبي بصير، قال: قلت لابي عبد الله عليه السلام: إرتد الناس إلا ثلاثة: أبو ذر، وسلمان، والمقداد ؟ قال: فقال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: فأين أبو ساسان، وأبو عمرة الانصاري ؟. محمد بن مسعود، قال: حدثني علي بن الحسن بن فضال، قال: حدثني العباس بن عامر، وجعفر بن محمد بن حكيم، عن أبان بن عثمان، عن الحارث ابن المغيرة النضري، قال: سمعت عبد الملك بن أعين يسأل أبا عبد الله عليه السلام، قال: فلم يزل يسأله، حتى قال له: فهلك الناس إذا ؟ ! فقال: إي والله، يابن أعين، هلك الناس أجمعون. قلت: من في الشرق ومن في الغرب ؟ قال: فقال: إنها إن بقوا فتحت على الضلال إي والله هلكوا إلا ثلاثة، ثم لحق أبو ساسان، وعمار، وشتيرة، وأبو عمرة، فصاروا سبعة ". ويأتي ما يدل على جلالته في ترجمة المقداد بن الاسود.

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17 minutes ago, The Straight Path said:

A review of Shiite narrations on {“Apostosy” of Sahaba}:

http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3209:a-review-of-shiite-narrations-on-{“apostosy=”-of-sahaba}=&catid=203&lang=en&Itemid=115

 

A hadith explaining the situation in more detail:

“Abu Ja’far (as) has said that: ‘The people, when they did what they did, they pledged their allegiances to Abu Bakr, nothing prevented Amir-ul- Momineen (as) calling the people to himself except that he looked around at the people and feared for them that they would renege from Al-Islam, and resort to worshipping the idols and not testify that there is no god except Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì and that Muhamamd Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå is the Rasool Allah, and it was more beloved to him (as) than he should agree with them upon what they had done rather than them reneging against the whole of Al-Islam.

But rather, destroyed is the one who does what they did. So, as for the one who did not do that, and entered into what the people had entered into without knowledge or enmity against Amir-ul- Momineen (as), so for that they have neither blasphemed nor exited from Al-Islam, and it is for that reason that Ali (as) concealed his matter, and had to pledge allegiance unwillingly, when he did not find any helpers’.”

Sanad: Humeyd Bin Ziyad, from Al-Hassan Bin Muhammad Al-Kindy, from someone else, from Abaan Bin Usmaan, from Al-Fazel, from Zurara 
Source: Kitab Al-Kaafi, Volume 8, Hadith #14902 
Grading:
– Bahboody – Sahih بهبودي صحيح
– Majlisi, As Reliable مجلسي كالموثق [Mira’at Al-Uqool, Alammah Majlisi, Volume 26, Page 326]

 

Without knowledge?

I think everyone had knowledge of ghadir. Just like Abu bakr and Umar. WHich is divine appointment of Ali a.s according to shias. Despite of this knowledge they all gave bayah to Abu bakr without any force or hindrance.

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5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Amr b a'as was given leadership as he was a capable and shrewd leader but prophet didn't mean to say his status was superior to muhajireen and ansar 

Same reason Khalid was given commands by him 

And same reason Ali says to muawiyah the decision to choose leader was for myhajireen and ansar of medina and they have picked Ali 

That's my point brother. The length of time is irrelevant to the capabilities of a person.

So if a person spends 20+ years with the Prophet, it does not make them automatically great.

Much like how Iblees spent thousands and thousands of years worshipping Allah but 1 act of disobedience destroyed everything.

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On 2/24/2017 at 11:20 PM, Engineer73 said:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 101:

وَمِمَّنْ حَوْلَكُم مِّنَ الْأَعْرَابِ مُنَافِقُونَ وَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَرَدُوا عَلَى النِّفَاقِ لَا تَعْلَمُهُمْ نَحْنُ نَعْلَمُهُمْ سَنُعَذِّبُهُم مَّرَّتَيْنِ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَىٰ عَذَابٍ عَظِيمٍ

And from among those who are round about you of the dwellers of the desert there are hypocrites, and from among the people of Medina (also); they are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know them; We know them; We will chastise them twice then shall they be turned back to a grievous chastisement

(English - Shakir)

:) this verse does not need the tafseer.

:) I cannot consider them at the same level, the test of companions was the whole life of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). We can see who obeyed him & who disobeyed.

The above verse confirms that there were hypocrites among the companions because all those who migrated to Medina lived with the prophet after migration  / hijra.

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5 hours ago, Fahad Sani said:

I think everyone had knowledge of ghadir. Just like Abu bakr and Umar.

But both of them rejected it, ignored it. Their deeds are witness against them that these two have never accepted Imam Ali (a.s) as their Mola. 

Now see this verse:

Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 15:

فَالْيَوْمَ لَا يُؤْخَذُ مِنكُمْ فِدْيَةٌ وَلَا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مَأْوَاكُمُ النَّارُ هِيَ مَوْلَاكُمْ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ

So today ransom shall not be accepted from you nor from those who disbelieved; your abode is the fire; it is your friend and evil is the resort.

(English - Shakir)

"Heya Molakum" Seems to me that those who have refused to accept Imam Ali (a.s) as their Mola, will be put into hell fire & it will be said to them "heya molakum" because you have refused to accept Our selection.

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4 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

That's my point brother. The length of time is irrelevant to the capabilities of a person.

So if a person spends 20+ years with the Prophet, it does not make them automatically great.

Much like how Iblees spent thousands and thousands of years worshipping Allah but 1 act of disobedience destroyed everything.

Yes I agree but those who believed the prophet when he was a preacher without power in Mecca are likely to be more sincere than those who were initially enemies but after prophet had a big army became Muslims

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1 hour ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Yes I agree but those who believed the prophet when he was a preacher without power in Mecca are likely to be more sincere than those who were initially enemies but after prophet had a big army became Muslims

That is not necessarily true. Things can happen that can lead to souring of relations such incident mentioned in Surah 66.1-6 or publicly doubting the Prophet (saw) to embarrass him, etc.

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13 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

That is not necessarily true. Things can happen that can lead to souring of relations such incident mentioned in Surah 66.1-6 or publicly doubting the Prophet (saw) to embarrass him, etc.

Yes they can but as a general rule earlier converts were better , but are you suggesting amr b a'as was this morally upright pious individual and that's why he was chosen ?

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10 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Yes they can but as a general rule earlier converts were better , but are you suggesting amr b a'as was this morally upright pious individual and that's why he was chosen ?

Who made this general rule?

I am not suggesting anything. I am saying time spent with the Prophet is not the only criteria to evaluate someone's goodness.

Let's face it - Abu Bakr and Umar failed miserably in military campaigns during the life of the Prophet (saw) when they were tasked with the Standard. That is why they were under Amr Al-Aas or Usama. 

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On 2/26/2017 at 0:01 AM, Engineer73 said:

But both of them rejected it, ignored it. Their deeds are witness against them that these two have never accepted Imam Ali (a.s) as their Mola. 

Now see this verse:

Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 15:

فَالْيَوْمَ لَا يُؤْخَذُ مِنكُمْ فِدْيَةٌ وَلَا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مَأْوَاكُمُ النَّارُ هِيَ مَوْلَاكُمْ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ

So today ransom shall not be accepted from you nor from those who disbelieved; your abode is the fire; it is your friend and evil is the resort.

(English - Shakir)

"Heya Molakum" Seems to me that those who have refused to accept Imam Ali (a.s) as their Mola, will be put into hell fire & it will be said to them "heya molakum" because you have refused to accept Our selection.

All sahabah were present at ghadir and had the same knowledge about ghadir. Its not only about Abu bakr and Umar. Thats why in shia books it is written except 3,4 or 7 all rejected wilayah (as leadership only) of Ali a.s and became apostates. No one of them opposed caliphate of Abu bkr and Umar. Infact they all gave bayah wholeheartedly and served them.

"Heya Molakum" here is used with reference to hell. Nothing to do with ghadir etc. Your interpretation is based on personal choice only. In this way anybody can prove anything from any verse of Quran.

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7 hours ago, Fahad Sani said:

No one of them opposed caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar. Infact they all gave bayah wholeheartedly and served them.

 

In the story of Umar at the door of Fatimah (sa), it is said in most narrations that Zubayr (ra) came out with his sword drawn. Even later on, Abu Dharr (ra) had to live in exile from Uthman bin Affan.

Those are two VERY high ranking sahaba.

According to Sunni source Tareekh al Yaqoobi...

"A numbers of migrants and the helpers refused to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, inclined as they were to favor Ali ibn AbuTalib. Al Abbas bin Abd al-Muttalib, Al-Fadi bin Al-Abbas, Al-Zubayr ibn Al-Awwam, Khalid bin Said, Al Miqdad, Salman the Persian, Abu Zar Ghaffari, Ammar ibn Yasir, Al-Bara'a, Ubayy bin Ka'b were part of this group"

Salman e Farsi (ra) is definetely one of the most high ranking sahaba. I am sure you know the hadith "If Abu Dharr knew what was in Salman' heart, he would have killed him." Ayatollah Muttahri in his introduction to Irfan mentions that this highlites the level of spirituality he was at.

Miqdad, Salman, Abu Dharr and Ammar are the 4 companions, the truest Shia. The truest Shia, all of them, resisted Abu Bakr.

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3 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

In the story of Umar at the door of Fatimah (sa), it is said in most narrations that Zubayr (ra) came out with his sword drawn. Even later on, Abu Dharr (ra) had to live in exile from Uthman bin Affan.

Those are two VERY high ranking sahaba.

According to Sunni source Tareekh al Yaqoobi...

"A numbers of migrants and the helpers refused to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, inclined as they were to favor Ali ibn AbuTalib. Al Abbas bin Abd al-Muttalib, Al-Fadi bin Al-Abbas, Al-Zubayr ibn Al-Awwam, Khalid bin Said, Al Miqdad, Salman the Persian, Abu Zar Ghaffari, Ammar ibn Yasir, Al-Bara'a, Ubayy bin Ka'b were part of this group"

Salman e Farsi (ra) is definetely one of the most high ranking sahaba. I am sure you know the hadith "If Abu Dharr knew what was in Salman' heart, he would have killed him." Ayatollah Muttahri in his introduction to Irfan mentions that this highlites the level of spirituality he was at.

Miqdad, Salman, Abu Dharr and Ammar are the 4 companions, the truest Shia. The truest Shia, all of them, resisted Abu Bakr.

Its a man made story. Not authentic from any angle. Neither in terms of isnaad nor in terms of other historical events.

Zubair r.a was son in law of Hz. Abu Bakr a.s. He did not oppose ABu Bakr a.s by force. But he did this to Imam Ali a.s in Jamal. But later he realized his mistake and left the battle ans was killed.

Ali and al Zubair were asked about the baya’ah and they said:

“We were only angry because we were late for the consultation, we see Abu Bakr as the most deserving of the people to this position after the Apostle of Allah (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam), he is the companion in the cave and the second of the two and we know of his honour and rank, The prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) had ordered him to lead the people in prayer while he was alive”. Sources: Al Bidayah wal nihayah (6/341), Khilafat Abu Bakr p67, chain is good.

 

Top sahabah or truest shias according to twelvers i.e Salman r.a, Miqdad r.a, Abu Zar r.a, Ammar r.a etc did not opposed or fought or killed Abu Bakr who is declared as a kafir and oppressor of ahlebait in shia books. PROOF

But they were ready to kill each other and were ready to become unbelievers if following would have happened.

On 2/25/2017 at 5:41 PM, Fahad Sani said:

وعن أبي بصير قال: سمعت أبا عبد الله رضي الله عنه يقول: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا سلمان ، لو عرض علمك على مقداد لكفر ، يا مقداد لو عرض علمك على سلمان لكفر

Abu Basir narrates that I heard Imam Jafar Sadiq saying “The Prophet (s) said “O Salman, if what you know is presented to Miqdad ,than he will become unbeliever, and O Miqdad, “If what you know is presented to Salman, than he will become unbeliever”

Rijal Kashi p. 11

 

عن عمران بن موسى ، عن هارون بن مسلم ، عن مسعدة بن صدقة ، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال : ذكرت التقية يوما عند علي بن الحسين عليهما السلام فقال : والله لو علم أبو ذر ما في قلب سلمان لقتله

Imam Jafar Sadiq said that Taqiya was mentioned in front of Ali bin Hussain, he said “By God, if Abu Dharr knew what is present in the heart of Salman, he would have killed him”

Usul Kafi 1/401

And this is a kind of praise for truest shias in shia books.

Salman Farsi r.a also worked as governor for Umar a.s. And Ammar bin Yasir r.a worked as governor of Kufa. And Imam Ali a.s and other members of ahlebait used to receive stipends, share in war booty and other gifts. This all shows they all shared good relationship with each other.

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I am not a hadith expert. That is why I go to mujtahids on broad hadiths/ayahs. According to Ayatollah Muttahri (r) those hadiths highlighted Salman (ra) having a very high spirituality. Me and you are not scholars of hadith.

As for Umar and Abu Bakr, they did not seek reconciliation with Fatimah (sa), meaning she died angry with them. Somebody who has angered Fatimah (sa) has angered Allah.

And Zubayr (ra) was openly ready to die for Imam Ali (as) at the house of Fatimah (sa). 

Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman ran from the battle of Uhud, and the only excuse for this is written by someone far from trustworthy, Ibn Umar.

And I have mentioned before, if Allah had commanded Imam Ali (as) to fight he would have, but that would destroy the muslim empire making it prone to collapse.

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From Saqifah to the Ridda wars and even thereafter, there was a sustained campaign to get the Ansar and Muhajireen to go to war.

People like Abu Sufiyan, Khalid bin Walid, Amr Al-Aas and others tried their best to instigate both sides. It was the patience and foresight of Imam Ali (as) that prevented this from happening thereby saving Islam.

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On 2/25/2017 at 5:41 PM, Fahad Sani said:

Some narrations from shia books about those sahabah who are at the top of the list of twelver shias.

 

علي بن الحكم، عن سيف بن عميرة، عن أبي بكر الحضرمي، قال: أبو جعفر عليه السلام ارتد الناس: الا ثلاثة نفر سلمان وأبو ذر والمقداد قال: قلت فعمار ؟ قال: قد كان جاض جيضة ثم رجع، ثم قال: ان اردت الذي لم يشك ولم يدخله شئ فالمقداد، فأما سلمان فانه عرض في قلبه عارض ان عند امير المؤمنين عليه السلام اسم الله الاعظم لو تكلم به لاخذتهم الارض وهو هكذا، فلبب ووجئت عنقه حتى تركت كالسلقة، فمر به أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام فقال له يا أبا عبد الله هذا من ذاك بايع، فبايع، وأما أبو ذر فأمره أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بالسكوت ولم يكن ياخذه في الله لومة لا ئم فأبي الا أن يتكلم فمر به عثمان فأمر به، ثم أناب الناس بعد فكان أول من أناب أبو سنان الانصاري وأبو عمرة وشتيرة وكانوا سبعة، فلم يكن يعرف حق أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام الا هولاء السبعة

Abu bakr hizrmi narrates from Abu Jafar that all except three apostated (after the death of the Prophet peace be upon him). They are Salman, Abu Dharr, and Miqdad. I said “and Ammar?”  He said “he also, but later he came back” Then he said “If you want to see the one who never doubted at all, than he is Miqdad. Salman thought that Amir ul Momineen has Ism-e-Azam , if he recites it, earth will engulf these people (than why is he not reciting it? He meant the people who were making Abu Bakr the caliph). He was thinking so that his throat was held, and became such as if its skin had been torn away. Amir ul Momineen went towards him and said “O Abu Abdullah, this is the punishment for thinking like that. Pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr” So he pledged allegiance to him. And about Abu Dharr, Amir ul momineen told him to keep silent, but he never cared for anyone in such matters. So Uthman ordered that he be beaten up. Then some people repented, the first of whom was Abu Sasan Ansari, Abu Asra and Shatira. So no one realized the haq of Amir ul Momineen except these seven.

Rijal Kashi p. 11, Bihar al Anwar 22/440

 

وعن أبي بصير قال: سمعت أبا عبد الله رضي الله عنه يقول: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا سلمان ، لو عرض علمك على مقداد لكفر ، يا مقداد لو عرض علمك على سلمان لكفر

Abu Basir narrates that I heard Imam Jafar Sadiq saying “The Prophet (s) said “O Salman, if what you know is presented to Miqdad ,than he will become unbeliever, and O Miqdad, “If what you know is presented to Salman, than he will become unbeliever”

Rijal Kashi p. 11

 

عن عمران بن موسى ، عن هارون بن مسلم ، عن مسعدة بن صدقة ، عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال : ذكرت التقية يوما عند علي بن الحسين عليهما السلام فقال : والله لو علم أبو ذر ما في قلب سلمان لقتله

Imam Jafar Sadiq said that Taqiya was mentioned in front of Ali bin Hussain, he said “By God, if Abu Dharr knew what is present in the heart of Salman, he would have killed him”

Usul Kafi 1/401

Anything else from shia books in praise of sahabah. Esp from Prophet s.a.w.w himself?

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Kitab al Kafi English translation Page 609

H , Ch. 108, h 70
Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad from Mu‘alla ibn Muhammad ibn ’Urama from Ali ibn Hassa’n from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the words of Allah, the Most High. ". . .for they were guided to speak the noblest words and follow the praiseworthy path." (22:24)

The Imam (a.s.) said, "They were Hamza, ‘Ubayda, Salman, abu Dhar, al-Miqdad ibn al_Aswad and ‘Ammar who were guidedd to Amir al-Mu’minin Ali (a.s.). 
"However, God has endeared the faith to you and has made it attractive to your hearts – meaning thereby Amir al-Mu’minin Ali (a.s.)) . He has made disbelief, evil deeds and disobedience hateful to you. Such people will have the right guidance (meaning thereby the first, the second and the third)" (49:7)

English translation of Al Khisal page 125

THE FIVE PROCEEDERS : Ali bin Abu Talib(A.S) said: The proceeders are five: I am the proceeder of the Arabs, Salman al-Farisse is the proceeder of Persia, Suhaib is the proceeder of the Romans, Bilal is the proceeder of the Negroes, and Khabbab is the proceeder of the Nibts.

English translation of Al Khisal page 239

The acknowledgment
of Patronage for the believers who have never changed or substituted anything of the religion after the death of their prophet(SAW) is a duty
such as: Salman al-Farisi, Abu-Dharr al-Ghafari, al-Muqdad bin al-Aswad al-Kindi, ‘Ammar bin Yasir, Jabir bin ‘Abdallah al-Ansari, Hudhaifa bin al-Yaman, Abu al-Haitham bin al-Taihan, Sahl bin Hunaif, Abu Ayub al Ansari, ‘Abdallah bin as Samit,, ‘Ubada bin as Samit, Khuzaima bin Thabit the one of two testimonies, and Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, and those who followed their steps and did as they had done, and the acknowledgment of Patronage to their successors and those who trace them and their guidance is a duty.

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On 2/25/2017 at 7:40 AM, Fahad Sani said:

Marifat rijal Toosi http://lib.eshia.ir/14015/1/52

Mojam Rijal Al-Khoi http://www.al-khoei.us/books/?id=8294

3761 - الحصين بن المنذر: يكنى أبا ساسان الرقاشي: صاحب راية أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام، من أصحاب علي عليه السلام، رجال الشيخ (31). وعد البرقي من أصفياء أصحاب أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام، ومن شرطة خميسه أبا سنان، ووصفه بالانصاري، عند عده من أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله، وعد أبا ساسان من أصحاب الصادق عليه السلام ويأتي. وقال الكشي في ترجمة سلمان (1): " محمد بن إسماعيل. قال: حدثني الفضل ابن شاذان، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن إبراهيم بن عبد الحميد، عن أبي بصير، قال: قلت لابي عبد الله عليه السلام: إرتد الناس إلا ثلاثة: أبو ذر، وسلمان، والمقداد ؟ قال: فقال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: فأين أبو ساسان، وأبو عمرة الانصاري ؟. محمد بن مسعود، قال: حدثني علي بن الحسن بن فضال، قال: حدثني العباس بن عامر، وجعفر بن محمد بن حكيم، عن أبان بن عثمان، عن الحارث ابن المغيرة النضري، قال: سمعت عبد الملك بن أعين يسأل أبا عبد الله عليه السلام، قال: فلم يزل يسأله، حتى قال له: فهلك الناس إذا ؟ ! فقال: إي والله، يابن أعين، هلك الناس أجمعون. قلت: من في الشرق ومن في الغرب ؟ قال: فقال: إنها إن بقوا فتحت على الضلال إي والله هلكوا إلا ثلاثة، ثم لحق أبو ساسان، وعمار، وشتيرة، وأبو عمرة، فصاروا سبعة ". ويأتي ما يدل على جلالته في ترجمة المقداد بن الاسود.

Jazakallah bro

Abu Sasan I think is same as Abu amra b amr b mihsan ansari of banu najjar? Who attended Badr ?

Forgive my ignorance but I'm still unclear on shatira 

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On Wednesday, March 01, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Fahad Sani said:

All sahabah were present at ghadir and had the same knowledge about ghadir. Its not only about Abu bakr and Umar. Thats why in shia books it is written except 3,4 or 7 all rejected wilayah (as leadership only) of Ali a.s and became apostates. No one of them opposed caliphate of Abu bkr and Umar. Infact they all gave bayah wholeheartedly and served them.

"Heya Molakum" here is used with reference to hell. Nothing to do with ghadir etc. Your interpretation is based on personal choice only. In this way anybody can prove anything from any verse of Quran.

Let me first explain "heya molakum". Ma'wakumun'naar was sufficient for hypocrites & kuffar, the use of "heya molakum" no doubt is with reference to hell fire. Allah is saying to hypocrites & kuffar that this fire is your mola, why?

Kafir refuse & rejects every mola i.e., Allah, Prophet & Imam Ali (wa annal kafireena la mola lahum) while hypocrites refuse & rejects to accept Imam Ali only as their mola, for Allah & Prophet, they at least testify from their tongues that Allah is Ahad-o-Samad & Muhammad (pbuh) is His Prophet. 

So the use of "heya molakum" for kuffar & hypocrites is very meaningful here.

Now about your "sahaba", lets see couple of valued verses of Al-Furqan:

Surah Ar-Rad, Verse 25:

وَالَّذِينَ يَنقُضُونَ عَهْدَ اللَّهِ مِن بَعْدِ مِيثَاقِهِ وَيَقْطَعُونَ مَا أَمَرَ اللَّهُ بِهِ أَن يُوصَلَ وَيُفْسِدُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ أُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمُ اللَّعْنَةُ وَلَهُمْ سُوءُ الدَّارِ

And those who break the covenant of Allah after its confirmation and cut asunder that which Allah has ordered to be joined and make mischief in the land; (as for) those, upon them shall be curse and they shall have the evil (issue) of the abode.

(English - Shakir)

Now see this:

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 10:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّهَ يَدُ اللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ فَمَن نَّكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنكُثُ عَلَىٰ نَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ أَوْفَىٰ بِمَا عَاهَدَ عَلَيْهُ اللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

Surely those who swear allegiance to you do but swear allegiance to Allah; the hand of Allah is above their hands. Therefore whoever breaks (his faith), he breaks it only to the injury of his own soul, and whoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will grant him a mighty reward.

(English - Shakir)

They made the covenant with Allah that they will never ran away from the ground, never show their backs to enemies of Allah, but we see in Hunayn, they broke their covenant.

Now to understand "wa yaqta'oona ma amar Allaho behe unyousala" here is the mutawatir, sahih & muttafiq elaih hadith:

قالَ رَسُولُ اللهصلی الله عليه و آله و سلم: يُوشَكُ اَن اُدعى فَاُجيبُ, اِنّي تارِك فِيكُم الثقَلَينِ كِتابَ الله وَ عِترَتي , كِتابُ الله حَبلٌ مَمـدُودٌ مِنَ السَّماءِ اِلَى الاَرضِ وَ عِترَتي أهلُ بَيتي وَ اِنّ اللّطيفَ الخَبيرَ اَخبَرَني أ نّهُما لَن يَفتَرِقا حَتّى يَـرِدا عَلَيَّ الحَـوضَ فَانظُـرُوا بِماذا تَخلُفُونّي وَ في حَديثٍ آخَر: لَن تَضِلّوا ما اِن تَمَسّكتُم بِهِما. نَقَلَ هذَا الحَديثِ اَكثَرُ مِن عِشرين صَحابيّاً وَ ما يُقارِبُ مِن 185 راوياً مِن رُواة الحَديثِ راجِع كِتاب صحيح مسلم ج 2 ص 238 و مُسند احمد بن حنبَل ج5 ص182-181 و صحيح الترمذى ج2 ص220 وغيرها مِن مصادر الفريقين و اِن شِئتَ راجع نفحات الازهار فى خلاصة عَبَقات الاَنوار ج1 ص210-199.

The Messenger of Allah said: "It is probable that I be called soon and I will respond. Then, I leave behind me among you two weighty (very worthy and important) things: The Book of Allah (i.e. the Qur'an), which is a stretched string from the heaven to the earth, and my progeny, my Ahlul-Bait; for verily Allah, The Merciful, the Aware, informed me that never, never, will these two get separated from each other until they meet me at the Houd of Kauthar (the Pond of Abundance). Therefore, be careful how you will treat due to those two in my absence." And, in another tradition it is added: "Never, never, shall you get astray if you attach yourselves to these TWO." This tradition is narrated by more than twenty persons from the companions of the Prophet [p.b.u.h.] and it is also narrated by over 185 narrators mentioned in Sahih Muslim, vol. 2, p. 238 & Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, vol.5, p. 181-182; Sahih-i-Tarmathi, vol.2, p.220, and others from the references of both schools which, if you like to see, are mentioned on pp. 199 to 210, vol. 1, in Nafahat-ul-Azhar fi Khulasat-i-Abaqat-ul-Anwar.

Do you know who said "hasbona kitab Allah" to Prophet when he asked for paper & pen?

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