Ayatollah khameini banning luxury cars

[sidnaq]

Okay, now when we used to talk extravagance, some people would defend some of the ayatollahs for their spending, using Hazrat SUleyman a.s. as an excuse, what do you think now!! i really wish Ayatollah khameini would now ban kim kardashian/kylie jenner clothes, muslims out there wearing tight jeans, and knee high boots like they're in some fashionista club

http://english.khamenei.ir/news/4633/It-is-haram-for-the-clergy-to-use-luxury-cars-Ayatollah-Khamenei  

[Hassan-]

He did ban western style clothes.

[sidnaq]

5 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

He did ban western style clothes.

what? which ones?

[Hassan-]

1 minute ago, sidnaq said:

what? which ones?

Any clothes that promote the west is haram to wear.

[notme]

8 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

He did ban western style clothes.

What is western style clothes? 

[notme]

Is there a list of which cars are considered too extravagant, is the restriction on luxury category of cars, or is it at the discretion of the individual clergy member?

[Hassan-]

2 minutes ago, notme said:

What is western style clothes? 

I explained this before in the past, here is my post: 

 

[notme]

@Hassan Y thank you, I either hadn't seen or had forgotten that discussion.

[sidnaq]

28 minutes ago, notme said:

@Hassan Y thank you, I either hadn't seen or had forgotten that discussion.

have you sen what muslim women wear in my country? skin tight jeans or leggings, to top it off, stylish boots, or knee high boots, and oh man the luxurious jackets, they suck,theyre too tight and they stand out in a chic way, or too fashionable.

Edited February 16, 2017 by sidnaq

[Hassan-]

15 hours ago, sidnaq said:

have you sen what muslim women wear in my country? skin tight jeans or leggings, to top it off, stylish boots, or knee high boots, and oh man the luxurious jackets, they suck,theyre too tight and they stand out in a chic way, or too fashionable.

Your country as in Canada? It's not just in Canada, it's like that in all western countries. If you live there you have to deal with it.

[sidnaq]

1 hour ago, Hassan Y said:

Your country as in Canada? It's not just in Canada, it's like that in all western countries. If you live there you have to deal with it.

if i live here i have to deal with it? heck no, you gotta stop it! fight against it, at least the muslim women 

[sidnaq]

1 hour ago, Hassan Y said:

Your country as in Canada? It's not just in Canada, it's like that in all western countries. If you live there you have to deal with it.

and by the way boy, there are rules by ayatollah sistani about what women should wear in the west.

[Hassan-]

7 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

if i live here i have to deal with it? heck no, you gotta stop it! fight against it, at least the muslim women 

How will you stop it? What would you do if you saw someone you don't know wearing tight jeans?

Edited February 16, 2017 by Hassan Y

[Sumerian]

1 hour ago, sidnaq said:

have you sen what muslim women wear in my country? skin tight jeans or leggings, to top it off, stylish boots, or knee high boots, and oh man the luxurious jackets, they suck,theyre too tight and they stand out in a chic way, or too fashionable.

Some of what you are mentioning is haram to begin with, without having to bring uo whether it is Western or not.

Women wearing leggings infront of non-mahrams is clearly haram.

[sidnaq]

5 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

How will you stop it? What would you do if you saw someone you don't know wearing tight jeans?

youre saying there arent ways? like what do the muslim preachers out here are doing??they preach, and talk about such issues.

[Hassan-]

8 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

youre saying there arent ways? like what do the muslim preachers out here are doing??they preach, and talk about such issues.

They don't care or listen to these speakers. 

[notme]

Leggings are not outer clothing. They are an undergarment. I don't know why so many people are confused.

[Islandsandmirrors]

12 hours ago, sidnaq said:

have you sen what muslim women wear in my country? skin tight jeans or leggings, to top it off, stylish boots, or knee high boots, and oh man the luxurious jackets, they suck,theyre too tight and they stand out in a chic way, or too fashionable.

So it's haram to be fashionable now? 

Just because a woman wears hijab doesn't mean she has to dress like a grandma or not take pride in looking presentable. 

Edited February 16, 2017 by Islandsandmirrors

[notme]

55 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

So it's haram to be fashionable now? 

Just because a woman wears hijab doesn't mean she has to dress like a grandma or not take pride in looking presentable. 

But there is a line that must not be crossed. We Muslims should look presentable, and even fashionable in certain situations, but the problem is people who sacrifice modesty for the feeling of fitting in. 

[sidnaq]

7 hours ago, notme said:

Leggings are not outer clothing. They are an undergarment. I don't know why so many people are confused.

dont you realise leggings without long skirts are a trend now, they just wear this leggings without anything coverng them

[sidnaq]

2 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

So it's haram to be fashionable now? 

Just because a woman wears hijab doesn't mean she has to dress like a grandma or not take pride in looking presentable. 

is the chador a grandma thing? you know the chador of zainab a.s? nobody is telling her to dress like a grandma but there arerules to how she should dress and yes the western styles today are not right

[notme]

Just now, sidnaq said:

dont you realise leggings without long skirts are a trend now, they just wear this leggings without anything coverng them

I know. I've seen it. I put it in the same category as women going out for exercise in their underwear. They look like they forgot to dress. Silly people.

[sidnaq]

2 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

So it's haram to be fashionable now? 

Just because a woman wears hijab doesn't mean she has to dress like a grandma or not take pride in looking presentable. 

and what do you mean fashionable? anything that attracts the opposite male gaze? we are supposed to be modest and defend our right to be so.

[Islandsandmirrors]

Just now, sidnaq said:

is the chador a grandma thing? you know the chador of zainab a.s? nobody is telling her to dress like a grandma but there arerules to how she should dress and yes the western styles today are not right

I'm not going to argue with you because you seem insistent on your views, and I know a lot of woman who are quick to judge like you are and are ta'asobi. I.E. narrow minded in religion and almost intolerant. 

[Islandsandmirrors]

4 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

and what do you mean fashionable? anything that attracts the opposite male gaze? we are supposed to be modest and defend our right to be so.

Um, I don't focus on attracting males. 

Do you think that just because you wear presentable and fashionable clothing you are automatically immodest? For your information, I'm very modest in dress and yet I take pride in looking well-groomed and well-dressed no matter what. Even in long sleeves. 

Edited February 16, 2017 by Islandsandmirrors

[guest050817]

I think the brothers should let the sisters battle this out.

 

 

[notme]

11 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

and what do you mean fashionable? anything that attracts the opposite male gaze? we are supposed to be modest and defend our right to be so.

There is no proscribed style of clothing that Muslims have to wear. We have set standards of modesty. Beyond that, a woman can choose what she feels comfortable in and is suitable for her environment. If a woman wants to dress "fashionably" within Islamic criteria, she is not better or worse than one who dresses traditionally. 

 

But isn't the topic about a restriction for the clergy on luxury cars, not women's attire? The luxury car restriction doesn't even apply to most of us, but what I asked before, what are the criteria for determining luxury, I'm still wondering about that. 

[sidnaq]

20 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

Um, I don't focus on attracting males. 

Do you think that just because you wear presentable and fashionable clothing you are automatically immodest? For your information, I'm very modest in dress and yet I take pride in looking well-groomed and well-dressed no matter what. Even in long sleeves. 

send a picture of the outfits youre talking about, it doesnt even need to be your clothes, but even take them off the internet, lets see what youre talking about.

[Islandsandmirrors]

3 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

send a picture of the outfits youre talking about, it doesnt even need to be your clothes, but even take them off the internet, lets see what youre talking about.

I don't need judgement from you. Who are you to pass judgement? 

There are plenty of fashionable, modest clothing. Use google. 

Edited February 16, 2017 by Islandsandmirrors

[notme]

This diversion into "western" attire is interesting, but can we please return to the topic of Islamic scholars in luxury cars? Thanks for your cooperation.

 

[Hassan-]

28 minutes ago, notme said:

But isn't the topic about a restriction for the clergy on luxury cars, not women's attire? The luxury car restriction doesn't even apply to most of us, but what I asked before, what are the criteria for determining luxury, I'm still wondering about that. 

Any car that's considered a luxury car by the common view of the people. If you buy a Honda for example, people will see it as just a regular car where as you buy a corvette peoples natural mindset will consider it as an exotic car.

[notme]

28 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

Any car that's considered a luxury car by the common view of the people. If you buy a Honda for example, people will see it as just a regular car where as you buy a corvette peoples natural mindset will consider it as an exotic car.

It seems quite subjective.  If a scholar drives a basic model sedan made by lexus or mercedes, is he sinning?  Or what is he drives a car which would have been considered extravagant when it was new, but bought it used for a moderate price?  Is it individual discretion or are there guidelines?  

I drive a 12 year old "luxury" vehicle, leather seats and all.  I'm nowhere near extravagant, it was just the only thing I could find in my (low) price range with enough seats for my whole family.

[2113]

42 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

Any car that's considered a luxury car by the common view of the people. If you buy a Honda for example, people will see it as just a regular car where as you buy a corvette peoples natural mindset will consider it as an exotic car.

 

10 minutes ago, notme said:

It seems quite subjective.  If a scholar drives a basic model sedan made by lexus or mercedes, is he sinning?  Or what is he drives a car which would have been considered extravagant when it was new, but bought it used for a moderate price?  Is it individual discretion or are there guidelines?  

I drive a 12 year old "luxury" vehicle, leather seats and all.  I'm nowhere near extravagant, it was just the only thing I could find in my (low) price range with enough seats for my whole family.

This is what I am wondering too. What is the criteria for "Luxury"? I can buy a Mercedes or Lexus and it can be classified as luxury but at the same time even in a Honda nowadays they come with options like leather and heated seats and wood grain consoles? So yes what are the guidelines? 

I can go out and buy a 25-30 year old Mercedes 300D or 300E which was at the top of the line in Luxury Cars back in its day for $2000 just because I've always wanted to own a Mercedes but is this really wrong?

I'm a bit confused. 

[Hassan-]

3 hours ago, notme said:

It seems quite subjective.  If a scholar drives a basic model sedan made by lexus or mercedes, is he sinning?  Or what is he drives a car which would have been considered extravagant when it was new, but bought it used for a moderate price?  Is it individual discretion or are there guidelines?  

I drive a 12 year old "luxury" vehicle, leather seats and all.  I'm nowhere near extravagant, it was just the only thing I could find in my (low) price range with enough seats for my whole family.

What he said was expensive luxury cars. Which means cars like lambos, ferraris and other sport cars. Buying an $80,000 BMW SUV for example is quite pricey but it's not considered an expensive luxury car by the common view, at least here in Canada or USA. However buying a $300,000 Bentley is considered an expensive luxury car, which makes it haram.

Edited February 17, 2017 by Hassan Y

[Ali-F]

This is really absurd. I know that israf' is haraam, but how come buying an expensive car be considered haram?

I'm glad that I follow Sayeed al-Sistani, but I respect Sayed Khamenis rulling.