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Video Shows Abu Azrael Slicing Dead IS Fighter

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http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/30/iraqs-angel-of-death-filmed-carving-isis-fighters-body-like-a-kebab-5367373/

Not too sure what to think of this. Revenge or stooping to the same level ad IS?

 

What do you mean you don't know what to think of this, if this is proven to be true, then this man is an animal who must be strongly condemned.

 

Can any find find a link to the full video? The Daily Mirror have a 29sec video on their site, but it doesn't show anything. Can anyone translate what he is saying?

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-terrorist-strung-up-burned-6343903

 

Sadly, some Shi'a are already celebrating this act, it just goes to show how thin the line really is between isis, and the many other Muslims.

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The Qur'an allows for one to attack the enemy the same way they attack you. They call it Qa'idat al-Mu'amala bil-Mithl.


The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacked you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil). (2:194)


الشَّهْرُ الْحَرَامُ بِالشَّهْرِ الْحَرَامِ وَالْحُرُمَاتُ قِصَاصٌ ۚ فَمَنِ اعْتَدَىٰ عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُوا عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَىٰ عَلَيْكُمْ ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ




 

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Al-Afasy - There is a difference between attack and torture. The objective in war is not to stoop as low as the enemy, considering the human mind may be effected to the point that it enjoys it. If God is the final judge and his punishment will reckon all, then a simple bullet to the head would suffice and let the creator do his part. All this will add is, that the enemy will include more barbaric methods, and there will be an exchange of who can out do each other to impose as much fear.

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This video has absolutely excited the pants off every sunni; because now they have taken the video and plastered it all over Twitter and the like, with the caption 'Shia militias mutilate dead sunni civilian'

Even though it's obviously the corpse of an ISIS terrorist.

In fact in EVERY video of a 'Shia miltia' with a prisoner or dead body, the caption of the video suggests its a poor innocent sunni civilian called Omar and not ISIS which is actually what it is. This is how they spread their false propaganda. Now they are going with a sunni genocide hashtag on twitter which is beyond laughable.

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When you live in a war zone, anything can happen. Perhaps some alim will give Abu advice that mutilating a dead body is not necessary. Has Ayatullah Sistani HA made a comment about this incident? 

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It is not about bad image, nor about the political damage it may do. Let's not becomd pragmatic with morals and integrity because that leads to a very dangerous visceral thinking.

Slicing a dead body is wrong, condemnable. And even though it can be contextualized because of the experiences lived by fighters against IS, it is not by itself something one should be prideful about or not condemn. It is another example of the harm and damage of war in society's values. May God guide them.

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Is the video verified? I really don't want to watch it (and would hope the brothers and sisters won't want to see it either) but is it actually Abu Azrael?

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The link that the OP posted is not a video but a screen shot and the photo is edited to block the image of the dead body. You cannot see anything. 

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Why watch such a video? I would recommend not to watch it. You might have nightmares from watching that. 

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Sila, sadly isn't a fake. It is one of the consequences of war, it affects people regardless of the side they fight for.

Why watch such a video? I would recommend not to watch it. You might have nightmares from watching that.

Meh, I don't know who uploads and shares them in the first place. But just for this post you are my idol you know? XD

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Al-Afasy - There is a difference between attack and torture. The objective in war is not to stoop as low as the enemy, considering the human mind may be effected to the point that it enjoys it. If God is the final judge and his punishment will reckon all, then a simple bullet to the head would suffice and let the creator do his part. 

Oh, how I wish war was that clean and simple. Too bad it isn't, and the Qur'an doesn't say that either.

Some scholars used the verse I posted above to say it's permissible to behead ISIS fighters even after they've died. 

I do agree with you though, I'd prefer he use a combination of one of these punishments rather than slicing the guy up. 

"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment," (5:33)

 

 

 

All this will add is, that the enemy will include more barbaric methods, and there will be an exchange of who can out do each other to impose as much fear.

Harshness in war is imperative in conquering the psychological aspect of it. 

" O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous." (9:123)

"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination." (9:73)

I am not condoning unneeded mutilation techniques, I do believe even if Abu Azra'eel is wrong, he is still a believer and can repent easily for what he has done.

You're left with 3 options here:

1. Agree with what he did and parade it around.

2. Disagree with what he did and hope Allah forgives him.

3. Take Ali_Hussain's approach and call him an animal while not calling non-Shi'a deviants the same out of glorification for their creed. 

 

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3. Take Ali_Hussain's approach and call him an animal while not calling non-Shi'a deviants the same out of glorification for their creed. 

 

 

What are you talking about? I think the whole world and his dog has been critical of isis, it's just that some of us don't have double standards, we are criticising the actions of these animals, not the creed of the person doing them - that is a separate issue.

 

Care to share the hadith where the Prophet (s) started eating the liver of his enemies or cutting them open in revenge for the killing of Hamza (r )?

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What are you talking about? I think the whole world and his dog has been critical of isis, it's just that some of us don't have double standards, we are criticising the actions of these animals, not the creed of the person doing them - that is a separate issue.

 

Care to share the hadith where the Prophet (s) started eating the liver of his enemies or cutting them open in revenge for the killing of Hamza (r )?

So you're calling your brother in faith and iman an animal, but would you do the same for the Sufi cult leaders you post so much about? 

No, you wouldn't. Don't then say you don't have a double standard when you obviously do, and it's a double standard on the wrong side anyways. 

 

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So you're calling your brother in faith and iman an animal, but would you do the same for the Sufi cult leaders you post so much about? 

 

 

If you read my first post, you will see that I only called him an animal if he did this, in my second post, I was calling anyone who engages in this kind of sick behaviour an animal, because that is what they are, even if you can find edicts from scholars approving this, you know full well that there is a propaganda war going on, and this behaviour will be used against us, but lets face it, you are the last person to care about deviant behaviour being used against us.

 

No, you  wouldn't. Don't then say you don't have a double standard when you obviously do, and it's a double standard on the wrong side anyways.

 

 

Sure

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If you read my first post, you will see that I only called him an animal if he did this, in my second post, I was calling anyone who engages in this kind of sick behaviour an animal, because that is what they are, even if you can find edicts from scholars approving this, you know full well that there is a propaganda war going on, and this behaviour will be used against us, but lets face it, you are the last person to care about deviant behaviour being used against us.

 

Talk about a run-on sentence lol. It speaks volumes when Sufi-esque SCers are called out on being self-hating Shias, and the only response they have is "you are the last person to care about deviant behaviour being used against us."

What is more deviant than going to the deviants themselves and poisoning the minds of ignorant Shi'as by claiming that their material is beneficial for them and won't confuse them?

You're delusional to think I don't care about deviant behaviour being used against us. But I choose to be lenient on the Shi'a like the Imams said, and you choose be harsh against them, kind of like how Allah stated to deal with the disbelievers in the Qur'an ironically. 

 

From Omar b. Hanthala, from Imam al-Sadiq (as) who said: "O' Omar, do not burden our Shi'a, and be friendly with them, for the people can not handle what you ( the Shi'a) can handle."

(Al-Kafi Vol. 8 Page 334)

محمد بن يعقوب، عن محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن علي بن الحكم، عن عمر بن حنظلة، عن أبي عبدالله (عليه السلام) قال: يا عمر لا تحملوا على شيعتنا، وارفقوا بهم، فإن الناس لا يحتملون ما تحملون.

This hadith will probably fall upon deaf ears, but the next time you choose to have a double standard in how you deal with Shi'as versus their enemies, remember this narration.  

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I am eager to know about Abu Azrael's courageous, but unfortunately donot find too much about him, His past background doesn't seem so much impressive. Although he only looks good during his photos and video session, but I am not sure about his real fighting.

 

Well for mutilation, I am not sure whether he did that or not ?

 

But I think we must not forget the will of Imam Ali a.s when He was wounded by the strike of Ibn e Muljim, he said:

 

(Oh My Son Hasan & Hussain)

Wait till I die by his (Ibn Muljam's) existing stroke. Then strike him one stroke for his stroke and do not dismember the limbs of the man, for I have heard the Messenger of Allah (S) saying, "Avoid cutting limbs even though it may be a rabid dog."

 

(Letter # 47 Nahjul Balagah)

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Arabic Only Video: Abu Azrael in Iraq, answer to those who accused him if killing innocent sunni people.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BPV0twtc0o

 
 
For those that do not understand Arabic..
 
Abu Azrael says in the video that he is going to Baiji tomorrow. Then he goes on to respond to a person on YouTube that has written 'Abu Azrael burns the corpse of a sunnite civillian man in Baiji'. He says why have you written such and such, are the sunnis not my brothers? Why am I in Baiji in the first place; am I not there to defend my brothers that are there? [You say that] I would burn a sunni; these people were caucasians, this person was from China.. do you not have any shame? Is it not Haram [that you spread these lies] ? I would burn a Sunni; why? With me are Sunnis, a fellow fighter called Umar [A sunni Hashd fighter] is with me, how could I burn a sunni? Do you not fear God? I do not fear anyone except God, nor any 'Dawlah' [Caliphate], get this into your head.
 
The rest of the video is stressing the point that he considers sunnites to be his brothers, and that he is fighting alongside them against ISIS. The burned corpse was an ISIS corpse and not a [ordinary, civilian] sunni.
 
He points out that the burned ISIS corpses were terrorists that killed members of the Hashd, and that one of them was an ISIS sniper that killed a member of the Hashd.
 
Then he says at the end.. are the sunnites not our brothers? Are they not muslims? Pray that you don't meet me you coward..
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Salam, I really supported and funded the PMU (Hashd Shaabi). Today, I saw this video in which supposedly Abu Azrael is doing this? Is it real? Is it right?

You can also see the smoke out of the body, may be burned alive? All the stories circling around are real?

 

 

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Hmm pretty savage. But in the end even if it is real just bc hes fighting for the better side doesnt mean he's a saint. For all we know hes fighting for his ego. I mean he does call himself the ANGEL of death. But whow knows :/ at least isis is dying

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Hes not saint but he really ruptured the face of PMU and Shias. People in the west hate PMU for this. Seriously if this video is true, there are videos too in which Iraqis are burning ISIS alive. This isn't taught to us. Even when you have an anger you cannot cross the anger of Allah for our deeds.

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