Ban on Muslims

[Abu Hadi]

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Rahim

This Muslim Ban of Trump may be the stupidest thing ever done by any President. 

He makes George Bush look like a genius in comparison. 

I didn't think he would do it, to be honest. 

Let's see the results are, not even 24 hours later

JFK airport has been taken over by Protestors

San Francisco airport has been taken over by protestors

(The two biggest airports in the world)

There are going to be large protests in every major city in the US today (I am going the one here, in my city. I encourage all brothers and sisters to do the same. You won't have to go far to find one, not matter where you live)

Border Patrol Agents are openly defying this order

Federal Judges are openly defying his order

And Trump says, 'It's not a Muslim ban, everything is going well' 

It is a muslim ban, and things are not going well (for him, that is)

I encourage everyone to post 'Trump's Muslim Ban' everywhere, on every social media platform. 

Rise Up, Resist, This is Our New York

Rise Up, Resist, This is Our Detroit

Rise Up, Resist, This is Our Chicago

Rise Up, Resist, This is our D.C.

Rise Up, Resist, This is Our L.A.

 

 

[user5000]

No matter who becomes president of the U.S, there's an agenda, there almost always is. As usual the majority of the people believe the world will become a heaven once the right person becomes president. When will people learn that no matter who comes into office things still won't change? Presidents can make choices but they're limited to certain affairs, the real choices which affect the world are ones which come from their handlers, who themselves are puppets. It doesn't matter whether it's Trump or Hillary in office, the agenda remains the same. It's why even after all these years with different presidents, nothing has changed, in fact things have only gotten worse, and that too by design.

I honestly don't know what the plan is by having Trump as president, but I feel something similar between him and George W. Bush. You see, it was necessary to place an idiot like Bush in office at a time when some of the worst things were to happen in the world. People blamed his stupidity for 9/11 and the poor decisions and wars which followed, but the truth is the unseen hand wanted that very reaction. Bush, who was part of Skull & Bones was an idiot no doubt but the media made him look to be incredibly stupid and the world believed it, and that was the plan. See, when you talk to the average person about 9/11 and the real hand that orchestrated it, their subconscious mind immediately connects the event to Bush and questions itself "how can an idiot like him plan and orchestrate such a sophisticated attack and what reasons would an idiot like him have?", because of this thought process they feel their intelligence has been insulted and become very defensive and thus deny anything that's said and the evidence which shows that the official 9/11 story is full of errors. All this happens within seconds and the person isn't aware of it.

What I'm saying is that I feel bad things will happen in the coming months or years and it'll be blamed on Trump's stupidity. The world is already headed in a dangerous direction, there's much tension in the political world and it's clear if things get worse it can lead to WW3, which is what the unseen hand wants as a WW3 is necessary for their whole "international order" thing. This muslim ban is just the tip of the iceberg.

Trump is just another Zionist puppet, he may not be as aware as Hillary of inside plans and the real purpose of his presidency but he does know that he's only to fulfill his part. He's an idiot but not that much of an idiot either. As said earlier, I don't truly know why they chose him and by doing so created an uproar in the world, which they clearly wanted. The elite and their plans are difficult to understand.

 

 

 

I miss George Bush   ):

 

[Abu Hadi]

Brother, in this particular case it does matter. 

No other President has done this. He is the first one. 

It is an unjust act. We should stand up against injustice. 

That simple. 

 

[user5000]

10 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Brother, in this particular case it does matter. 

No other President has done this. He is the first one. 

It is an unjust act. We should stand up against injustice. 

That simple. 

 

And I totally agree with you, but what I was trying to say is, every U.S president is there for a reason, and only their to do their part. All controlled by different lobbies and corps, all puppets. I just posted in regards to the doomsday clock, and they solely made their prediction based on Trump. (its the closest its been since 1953)

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/world/doomsday-clock-2017/

[myouvial]

I assume/consider Mr DT :

a do not know anything about Muslim or Islam

b. can not differentiate the evil with the dress of Muslim (do not know what is good/bad, truth/wrong etc)

c. under control of someone/somebody/someentities of bigots

[user5000]

4 minutes ago, myouvial said:

I assume/consider Mr DT :

a do not know anything about Muslim or Islam

b. can not differentiate the evil with the dress of Muslim (do not know what is good/bad, truth/wrong etc)

c. under control of someone/somebody/someentities of bigots

All three answers are correct 

[myouvial]

5 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

All three answers are correct 

My view :

When he learn the lessons (probably from Mr Putin of Rusia) , then the decision he will make may be depended on his ego (to admit bravely the wrong thinking, talking and doing or to conceal  it cowardly).

[user5000]

1 minute ago, myouvial said:

My view :

When he learn the lessons (probably from Mr Putin of Rusia) , then the decision he will make may be depended on his ego (to admit bravely the wrong thinking, talking and doing or to conceal  it cowardly).

 

1 minute ago, myouvial said:

My view :

When he learn the lessons (probably from Mr Putin of Rusia) , then the decision he will make may be depended on his ego (to admit bravely the wrong thinking, talking and doing or to conceal  it cowardly).

Putin is painted wrong by media and western sources. He means no harm, he's on our side, his troops are helping the shia fighters in Syria and they are on good terms with Iran and arab nations 

[myouvial]

3 minutes ago, Bazzi_ said:

 

Putin is painted wrong by media and western sources. He means no harm, he's on our side, his troops are helping the shia fighters in Syria and they are on good terms with Iran and arab nations 

Propaganda against communism is connected to Rusia and then Mr Putin (by mass media). Even some Muslim are connecting communism connected to atheist or do not believe in God or highest thing (I just read from al-kafi that we may use word 'thing' for God/Allah SWT in order not to forget Allah SWT) over anything in the world, creator of everything/anything.

I believe from Al-Qur'an that human can never have no master/God or thing that is powerful than himself.

At least he trust of something (eg his hand), then his hand is actuallt his God/Ilah (not Allah SWT).

[saas]

Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen

I can't seem to work out the connect?

Those are probably the most least likely nations on the watchdog list of likely terrorists. I don't get it. These nations  have been subjected to western state terrorism, whether by direct aggression, harbouring and aiding proxies or reinforcing sanctions.

Dare I say it, most of these nations are by majority Shia or simply like the Shia countries not bowing to western imperialism. Now i'm interested to know what discussions prompted these choices and based on what? 

 

[Abu Hadi]

Protest have either begun or are about the begin at Airports across the country.

L.A.(LAX), Seattle, San Francisco, New York(JFK), D.C. (Dulles), Tampa, and Detroit/Wayne County(DTW). I'm leaving in a few minutes for DTW protest. It's at the MacNamara Terminal. Maybe I'll see some of you there. 

Salam. 

Edited January 29, 2017 by Abu Hadi

[baradar_jackson]

Here is my problem with a lot of these protestors (and of course this does not apply to you, brother @Abu Hadi; you're my he-ro).

 

There were already policies put into place under the Obama administration which would have probably led to this, and nobody talked about it. By policies I mean: people from certain countries could not get visas under any circumstance (mostly the same countries as the current Muslim ban).

 

The house Muslims nagged and moaned to their benevolent president, to congress... and nothing came of it. So frankly, I don't want to march side by side with these hypocritical liberal scum. If they wanna be so humane and open, they could have done that starting with Barack's visa waiver, rather than Trump's Muslim ban.

[Mohamed1993]

48 minutes ago, baradar_jackson said:

Here is my problem with a lot of these protestors (and of course this does not apply to you, brother @Abu Hadi; you're my he-ro).

 

There were already policies put into place under the Obama administration which would have probably led to this, and nobody talked about it. By policies I mean: people from certain countries could not get visas under any circumstance (mostly the same countries as the current Muslim ban).

 

The house Muslims nagged and moaned to their benevolent president, to congress... and nothing came of it. So frankly, I don't want to march side by side with these hypocritical liberal scum. If they wanna be so humane and open, they could have done that starting with Barack's visa waiver, rather than Trump's Muslim ban.

Hopefully this was a much needed awakening that I hope does not die down whoever is in office. But I can't say I'm too hopeful.

[learical]

Is it just me or does his ban bear an eerie resemblance to the countries mentioned in the above clip?

Edited January 30, 2017 by learical

[Mohamed1993]

12 minutes ago, learical said:

Is it just me or does his ban bear an eerie resemblance to the countries mentioned in the above clip?

These policies have been going on forever, Trump just made it more obvious to the largely asleep masses. Under Obama, EU citizens who are eligible to come to America under a Visa-waiver program (ESTA), could no longer visit America without applying for a visa if they had in the last 5 years visited one of those 7 countries. So it wasn't a full-out ban but this is just escalating it further.  Notice how the countries responsible for terrorism in this country have never had an issue. I'm not sure but I think even green card holders who aren't nationals of those seven countries but have been to those countries will possibly be targeted for extreme inspection and/or possible deportation, as it seems this is escalating it beyond belief. The base was already there, he just made it more out in the open.The policies never change, these politicians are just puppets for the globalist agenda.  

Edited January 30, 2017 by Mohamed1993

[ireallywannaknow]

2 hours ago, baradar_jackson said:

Here is my problem with a lot of these protestors (and of course this does not apply to you, brother @Abu Hadi; you're my he-ro).

 

There were already policies put into place under the Obama administration which would have probably led to this, and nobody talked about it. By policies I mean: people from certain countries could not get visas under any circumstance (mostly the same countries as the current Muslim ban).

 

The house Muslims nagged and moaned to their benevolent president, to congress... and nothing came of it. So frankly, I don't want to march side by side with these hypocritical liberal scum. If they wanna be so humane and open, they could have done that starting with Barack's visa waiver, rather than Trump's Muslim ban.

I disagree. It was truly heartwarming to be with the thousands of protesters who turned out today as they expressed their love and solidarity with Muslims, immigrants, and refugees. I'm sure that if there was more media coverage about the visa waiver program policy, they would be upset about they that too. But this is frankly a lot more upsetting and effects people's lives a lot worse. So therefore understandably have more people and protests against it. 

Btw why refer to them as "house" Muslims?

[ChristianVisitor]

Ironic. Why is Iran on the list? Most Iranians are from the Twelver Shia branch (a group NOT known for acts of terrorism against innocent civilians of any religion). 

Also, why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list? They have the most radical Sunni denomination (Hanbali-Wahhabi) as their de facto state religion. 

[Mohamed1993]

30 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

I disagree. It was truly heartwarming to be with the thousands of protesters who turned out today as they expressed their love and solidarity with Muslims, immigrants, and refugees. I'm sure that if there was more media coverage about the visa waiver program policy, they would be upset about they that too. But this is frankly a lot more upsetting and effects people's lives a lot worse. So therefore understandably have more people and protests against it. 

Btw why refer to them as "house" Muslims?

Not saying the people who protesting are bad, its great to see people standing up for minorities, and its very humbling too. But at the same time, I feel that as people we have a moral responsibility to step out of our ignorance and understand that after years of the corrupt corporate media lying and spreading propaganda based on their political agenda or partisan loyalty, we need to seek the truth. These protests were warranted long ago, when the plan to attack these 7 countries was even thought of, because we wouldn't be seeing half the destruction we've seen that is creating this refugee crisis. Anyway, all that is said and done, but people need to make sure that they don't fall back asleep after this blows over or when Trump is no longer president for that matter. But will that happen? I hope so but I really doubt it. A lot of politicians are unfortunately judged based on rhetoric and their speeches rather than by actual actions, which is what people need to clearly evaluate. 

[Mohamed1993]

5 minutes ago, ChristianVisitor said:

Ironic. Why is Iran on the list? Most Iranians are from the Twelver Shia branch (a group NOT known for acts of terrorism against innocent civilians of any religion). 

Also, why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list? They have the most radical Sunni denomination (Hanbali-Wahhabi) as their de facto state religion. 

America has labelled Iran as the top most state-sponsor of terrorism, because they interfere with American hegemonic interests in the region, which are mostly based on bullying people they don't like to accept the dominance of their allies in the region i.e. Saudi Arabia and Israel.

[baradar_jackson]

On 1/29/2017 at 9:02 PM, ireallywannaknow said:

I disagree. It was truly heartwarming to be with the thousands of protesters who turned out today as they expressed their love and solidarity with Muslims, immigrants, and refugees. I'm sure that if there was more media coverage about the visa waiver program policy, they would be upset about they that too. But this is frankly a lot more upsetting and effects people's lives a lot worse. So therefore understandably have more people and protests against it. 

Btw why refer to them as "house" Muslims?

I don't think that's a valid excuse sister. What do they know? They don't know about Syria, they don't know about Yemen, they don't know that their sanctions against Iran are an act of war, and so on... anything negative about the democrats' actions, they don't know. Then what do they know?

I am talking about groups like NIAC. or many elements of CAIR (not all). They keep shilling for the democrats but they never get anything out of it. What's that called? 

[David66]

Oh no!  Increased restrictions on persons from certain countries entering the United States. 

15 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Brother, in this particular case it does matter. 

No other President has done this. He is the first one. 

It is an unjust act. We should stand up against injustice. 

That simple. 

 

Injustice? 

What about me, an American citizen wanting to visit Iran.  First, I would be lucky to get a visa.  And second, if I do get a visa I must have an Iranian government approved guide with me at all times.  This is injustice but I do not recall anyone on ShiaChat getting upset about this policy.  But, when the United States of America increases restrictions on those from certain countries it is this monumental injustice that must be protested at American airports?  What hypocrites!

Abu Hadi, after your finished protesting in Detroit, maybe you and I can fly to Tehrain and protest the UNJUST entry policies of the IRI.  How do you think that will turn out for us?

All the Best,

David

[Mohamed1993]

I know everyone's been saying this is not a ban on all muslims, but a ban on specific countries blah blah, but it is, the extreme vetting process is about to look something very similar to harassing and discriminating against muslims at the airport. This is what this lady writes;

The refugee/immigration executive order signed yesterday negatively affects every Muslim in this country regardless of citizenship status and ethnicity. Below is just one example of how 'extreme vetting' seems to be crossing the line into the illegal and unconstitutional: an immigration attorney from Michigan who is a U.S. citizen posted the status below on Facebook. "EVERYONE PLEASE LISTEN AND SHARE. I am SHAKING. This is the reality we live in. My husband and I were kept for four hours trying to cross back into the U.S. from Canada after having dinner with my in-laws. I am a US citizen. My husband is a Canadian citizen and LPR. They searched all our stuff including our phones, asked us a million questions and finally just let us go after they got a "call." I argued all that I could. I am fortunate to be an immigration attorney. Many other people do not have this knowledge. If you are a permanent resident, please do not travel until further clarification. This is the US in 2017 where your religion, ethnicity, and origin overrides your US citizenship as well as your lawful permanent residence. Now is the time to stand up, even more for those who have been standing up our whole lives for the right to be here.

She also noted that they detained her by taking her passport and suggested that she and her husband return to Canada without their passports to await the "decision" on entry into the United States. She's a U.S. citizen! She knew better and refused to leave without their passports.

What the heck is this man? Time for mandatory hijrat it seems.

[Reza]

3 hours ago, David66 said:

And second, if I do get a visa I must have an Iranian government approved guide with me at all times.

False. 

Thats North Korea, not Iran. 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

lol

[hasanhh]

12 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

lol

This is an un-funny, lbnSina. l have been screwed with in a foreign country, there is nothing funny about it.

See my post in Trump-Official. Giuliani

[Soldiers and Saffron]

1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

This is an un-funny, lbnSina. l have been screwed with in a foreign country, there is nothing funny about it.

See my post in Trump-Official. Giuliani

Well, I think that USA as a country is a joke, its origin, its history, its hypocrisy, its capitalism but especially the fact that someone like donald trump is the president of this country, its like the cream on the top.

In some ways I think that donald trump is a very accurate representation of the American politics and role in an international setting: loud mouthed, arrogant, uncultivated, ignorant, greedy.

And FYI: I know what it is like to be screwed with in travel settings, the difference is that I in no way go under the delusion of calling that country my home.

[hasanhh]

@IbnSina l never thought of that country as my home either.

l do agree with your 2nd paragraph. All empires get that way. Then it gets like rugby: start to go down and everyone piles on and crushed.

[Abu Hadi]

The demonstration yesterday at DTW was amazing. 

At least 10,000 people. You saw black, white, brown, American, Arab, men, women, kids, elderly people. Most of the people there were not muslim, although I did see many brothers and sisters from the community. 

No incidents. They did not try to block the 'civilians', regular people who were traveling thru the airport. The police and other law enforcement personnel were also professional and friendly. I took some video. I will upload when I have a few free moments. 

Edited January 30, 2017 by Abu Hadi

[hasanhh]

@David66 You are correct, above, about getting a visa. lran has halted visa issuance to Americans. A reaction to Trump's actions.

[guest050817]

Seriously, searching your phone? I highly recommend sisters and brothers who are married to delete pictures of themselves say with kids/themselves and without hijab, as well as messages.

A little bit of an invasion of privacy much?

Seriously, America.

[David66]

Hello,

14 hours ago, magma said:

False. 

Thats North Korea, not Iran. 

From "Visa Requirements for travel to Islamic Republic of Iran" Form#101

http://www.daftar.org/forms/visas/101.pdf

"Tourists must apply through their tour operator or travel agency."

 

USA Today, "American Travel in Iran"

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/american-travel-iran-11325.html

"The Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) must approve your complete travel itinerary before issuing you a visa, and a travel guide must accompany you at all times while you are in the country. Therefore, you should start by contacting an MFA-approved Iranian travel agency to either join a tour group or set up a custom itinerary."

 

Wikitravel.org, Iran

http://wikitravel.org/en/Iran

"Iran has a visa validity of 3 months ((airport visa)) so getting a tourist visa to Iran is a simple procedure. Approved Iranian travel agents can apply and get visas for all. The Iranian Foreign Ministry does not allow US passport holders to travel to Iran independently. Canadian, US/American Samoan, and U.K./B.O.T. citizens are required to travel on tours, either as part of a tour group, or a tailor made individual tour. An exact itinerary, to which you must adhere, is compulsory."

"For US Citizens...
US citizens can apply for a visa at the Iranian Interest Section of the Pakistani Embassy in Washington. However, US citizens must have an MFA-approved guide to accompany them for the entire trip and must have an exact itinerary."

Of course, I am sure all of the above is just lies and propaganda.  If it were true I am sure Abu Hadi would be leading the fight against this injustice as well. 

As he said,

On 1/29/2017 at 8:23 AM, Abu Hadi said:

Brother, in this particular case it does matter. 

No other President has done this. He is the first one. 

It is an unjust act. We should stand up against injustice. 

That simple. 

 

All the Best,

David

[baqar]

1 hour ago, David66 said:

"Tourists must apply through their tour operator or travel agency."

That is part of the Iranian visa rules.

And it is very different from  "I must have an Iranian government approved guide with me at all times," which is not in the Iranian rules but in the US advisory.    

 

[David66]

Hello,

1 hour ago, baqar said:

That is part of the Iranian visa rules.

And it is very different from  "I must have an Iranian government approved guide with me at all times," which is not in the Iranian rules but in the US advisory.    

 

I will let others judge for themselves the merits, or lack there of, of the above statement.

Surely there are ShiaChat members that can tell us about their experience.  And, I am referring to American citizens, without dual nationality, traveling to Iran on a tourist visa.

All the Best,

David

[baqar]

2 hours ago, David66 said:

Surely there are ShiaChat members that can tell us about their experience.  

Experience is a completely different thing.

As far as the two statements are concerned, they are by no means equivalent.

All the best to you too.

[wayfarer.]

For anyone who wants to know the REAL reason for the ban, here it is: the country just got hijacked: People seem to be missing the point entirely on this issue. Trump's action was not about 'banning muslims" - it never was. Look a little deeper below the surface of what has just occurred and consider this. The 'muslim ban' issue is a smokescreen. 

What this was about was testing the waters to create public chaos and bring about opposition from the supreme court, and to see if DHS could then override a supreme court order and get away with it without any public outcry. And they got away with it. 

And here people are actually even defending this action. That is why they used muslims and the ever-popular threat of terrorism, because they knew the people would support it, and now a legal precedent has been set. 

DHS now has both 'legal' and public approval to override the supreme court on any domestic issue and the new attorney general will support it. Think about that, because that means any rights you have... and yes, if you are an American, that means YOU. And the people supported it.

Trump's action is not about travel bans, it never was. They just used muslims to get public approval for the action. What it was about was setting a legal precedent whereby DHS can now override the supreme court... The people of the United States just lost any rights the DHS decides they dont have, and they now have no legal system to fall back on because the supreme court is now subservient to the DHS - when last week it was the other way around like its supposed to be. And Trump did it after sacking the heads of almost all departments, while there was quite literally only a skeleton staff at the White House - and certainly no one there who could oppose his actions.

Neat trick huh?

Look at history. Overriding and gaining control of the court system is the first step in any coup de'tat... this is exactly the way they played it in Germany, in Italy, Spain, Egypt, Panama... and anywhere else you care to name.... Think it cant happen in America? Think again...The really interesting thing though, is that so many people are approving of it.