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1 hour ago, Kamaaluddeen al-Ismail said:

Democracy is a fallible system that is made by men for men. We don't want it. We want to establish the Shari'ah of Allaah. The rule is for Allaah. We want the laws that he the Most High has legislated for us. 

 

On behalf of who are you speaking? And where can you create a state where the laws of the Most High can be agreed upon? As long as the Muslim world is in a sort of civil war no such agreement is possible. 

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1 hour ago, Kamaaluddeen al-Ismail said:

Democracy is a fallible system that is made by men for men.

Absolutely.  

You are not far from the truth .

Winston Churchill once noted that democracy was the worst system except for the alternatives.

Actually, alternatives do exist but the people who run the show are the rich and the very rich and it is not in their interest to seriously explore them. 

If democracy was a good system, there would be no beggars in Frankfurt and Paris and no homeless people shivering on the pavements of New York and under the Strip in Las Vegas. 

Litmus Test: of a good system- A truly good system is one that assiduously precludes the accumulation of wealth in a few hands and where everyone's genuine needs are taken care of.  

Democracy just doesn't care who is in pain and who is suffering. In my understanding, religious laws, despite the hardships of the penal code and the endless list of dos and don'ts, could pass the litmus test .

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5 hours ago, Kamaaluddeen al-Ismail said:

Democracy is a fallible system that is made by men for men. We don't want it. We want to establish the Shari'ah of Allaah. The rule is for Allaah. We want the laws that he the Most High has legislated for us. 

 

Are you sure that democracy is the thing established by men itself. Quran says: "And consult each other in matters". Consultative bodies such as parliament was endorsed by Islam. Did not Prophet PBUHHP consulted his Ashab during the Battle of Trench and accepted the advice of Hazrat Salman e Farsi a.s. You speak of Caliphate as to be from Allah (SWT) but what about the person who should be caliph ? Shouldn't he be the men of God himself, the infallible one. And if you agree on this matter, then I believe that no one is worthy in this world to be Caliph except Imam Mehdi a.s and whoever says that he is caliph of the Islam and is not infallible, is a liar and enemy of Islam. Maintain democracy until our Caliph reach to us, it is what Islam says and it is what Quran want us to do. 

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3 hours ago, Irfan1214 said:

Did not Prophet PBUHHP consult his Ashab during the Battle of Trench and accept the advice of Hazrat Salman e Farsi a.s.

He consulted with those he saw fit to consult.

He did not ask the public to vote for a select committee of people who should run the system, which is the case for a democracy.

Democracy has always hinted very subtly at the dangers it entails. But now with a new person becoming the most powerful man in the world, the follies of the democratic system  have been brought into the open as never before.  .  

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33 minutes ago, baqar said:

He consulted with those he saw fit to consult.

He did not ask the public to vote for a select committee of people who should run the system, which is the case for a democracy.

Democracy has always hinted very subtly at the dangers it entails. But now with a new person becoming the most powerful man in the world, the follies of the democratic system  have been brought into the open as never before.  .  

Is there Imam apparent among us to appoint rulers ? No, so instead of giving power to a single person who may make a mistake, it is better to work with democracy until our Imam comes to us. Sometimes, even in history Prophet PBUHHP sent person with a task but same person was then asked to handover the same job to another person. I would like your attention to the event when Hazrat Abu Bakar was given the task of conveying Surah Barat to a group of people but Prophet (PBUHHP) then again sent Ali and called back Abu Bakar. It did not mean that our Prophet PBUHHP did mistake but He (PBUHHP) gave us an example that if you select a wrong person depose him from position and accord same responsibility to a responsible person. This meant to show us if we make mistake in lives and elect a wrong person, we shall not agree to every wrong decision which he makes if such person is not infallible. If Prophet PBUHHP had not set such an example, today people would have said that whoever be the caliph and how wrong he be, he must not be relieved from his post. 

Democracy is the only option which can tie as together so that we may not allow any one among fallible to take all power in his hands and destroy humanity till Imam e Zamana a.s come.

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6 hours ago, baqar said:

He consulted with those he saw fit to consult.

He did not ask the public to vote for a select committee of people who should run the system, which is the case for a democracy.

Democracy has always hinted very subtly at the dangers it entails. But now with a new person becoming the most powerful man in the world, the follies of the democratic system  have been brought into the open as never before.  .  

The democratic system in USA may have given the president to much power. Still this is better than had the president had the unlimited power of a dictator. Democrasy is not perfect, still it is the best system on earth so far. Better constructed in some nations than in other. The constitution of USA is a very old one, composed when circumstances were rather different. 

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19 minutes ago, andres said:

The democratic system in USA may have given the president to much power. Still this is better than had the president had the unlimited power of a dictator. Democrasy is not perfect, still it is the best system on earth so far. Better constructed in some nations than in other. The constitution of USA is a very old one, composed when circumstances were rather different. 

We have oldest constitution with us and that is Quran. And this constitution is not only for an individual but whole society. And it is far superior to the constitution of USA because because it is not man made but divine. 

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2 hours ago, Irfan1214 said:

We have oldest constitution with us and that is Quran. And this constitution is not only for an individual but whole society. And it is far superior to the constitution of USA because because it is not man made but divine. 

The Quran does not contain a constitution. I know attempts have been made to make a constitution based on the Quran, but as you said, man made constitutions are not perfect. Muslim nations have not yet been successful. Many Christian nations have, but only within the last 100 years.

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Just now, andres said:

The Quran does not contain a constitution. I know attempts have been made to make a constitution based on the Quran, but as you said, man made constitutions are not perfect. Muslim nations have not yet been successful. Many Christian nations have, but only within the last 100 years.

Quran is a constitution itself but it is our inability to implement it in true sense. The European countries though have constitution but their constitution is not perfect one which human beings require.

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:salam:

All praise belongs to Allah, he has no rival, no partner and Muhammad is his Servant and his Messenger that was sent with guidance and the religion of truth that it will overcome / prevail over all other religions and systems. May peace be upon his ahl al-bayt, his companions and the believers collectively.

The disbelievers who assert that it’s impossible to establish the sharee’ah in our countries are liars. It’s possible if our rulers were not sellouts, especially lapdogs of the west. The reason for it being impossible today is because the Muslims don’t care about their religion anymore and accumulate wealth as if that wealth will go with them in their graves when they die (E.g. The PM of Pakistan – Nawaz Sharif). We imitate the disbelievers and celebrate their festivals (Christmas, Easter and so forth). The disbelievers want us to think that Sharee’ah can’t be established, that it’s impossible, people like Andres. But, these disbelievers don’t even know one percent about the religion. How the rulings are derived and from what sources. They just know how to talk big, speaking on behalf of Muslims.

Don’t let them fool you. If they are peaceful people, then stop invading our countries and poking your noses in our businesses. Leave us alone. We didn’t start this war, you came into our countries and started to bomb us. Sent drone strikes to Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. And do you think that we can easily forget this, even if you say sorry? How many innocent Muslims do you’ve in your guantanamo bay? Innocent people that were tortured? This is their lovely democracy!

War in Islam should not be waged for the sole purpose of shedding blood or seeking vengeance. If the Muslims capture them and take them to a place that has been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beatings, depriving them of food and water, leaving them out in the sun or the cold, burning them with fire, or putting covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and putting them in cages like animals. Rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy, feed them well and encourage them to enter Islam.

In the Qur’aan, Allaah says of the righteous (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And they give food, in spite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the Miskeen (the poor), the orphan, and the captive,

(Saying): ‘We feed you seeking Allaah’s Countenance only. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you’”

[al-Insaan 76:8-9] 

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Ibn ‘Abbaas said: in those days their prisoners were mushrikeen; on the day of Badr the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded them to be kind to their prisoners, so they used to put them before themselves when it came to food… Mujaahid said, this refers to the one who is detained, i.e., they would give food to these prisoners even though they themselves desired it and loved it.” 

They don’t have set of laws that they follow strictly, they can null and void their own laws when they see it fit to do that, but as Muslims following the Sharee’ah we can’t remove or null anything since it’s divinely revealed. We can’t disobey God and his Messenger. 

The democratic countries (i.e., Christian nations) "give full freedom", you can do anything that doesn't harm anyone, music is permissible, zina is permissible as long as the both parties consent, riba' is permissible, homosexuality & same-sex marriage is permissible, alcohol is permissible, rapists are thrown in prisons, whilst in Sharee'ah the punishment is death for the rapist, women are half naked and used in entertainment. This is democracy, this is freedom according to them. And they want this for the Muslims, we leave the Sharee'ah aside and establish their kuffar laws - This is what they want. They also use liberal Muslims for their advantage. Today we have Muslims who support LGBT (Astaghfirullah!). 

The Prophet (S.A.W) said: "You will imitate the nations before you very closely to the extent that if they went into a lizard's hole, you would enter it as well” his companions, may Allaah be pleased with them, inquired: “(Do you mean) the Jews and Christians, O Messenger of Allaah?” He sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam replied: "Who else?” (Bukhaari & Muslim).

May Allah azza wa jall guide us, protect us from the kuffar, Ameen! 

Edited by Shahzeb Siddiq al-Salafi

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2 hours ago, Sindbad05 said:

Quran is a constitution itself but it is our inability to implement it in true sense. The European countries though have constitution but their constitution is not perfect one which human beings require.

If so, the Quran contains a constitution that is so blurred written that Muslum nations cannot agree on how to implement it. Maybe a contributing  reason for the conflicts in ME. 

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7 minutes ago, andres said:

If so, the Quran contains a constitution that is so blurred written that Muslum nations cannot agree on how to implement it. Maybe a contributing  reason for the conflicts in ME. 

It is clear but like devil deviated from God so did the people. It is not first time that people have fought over divine message,  they also opposed prophets such as jesus and moses so were they wrong or people were very mischievous? 

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19 hours ago, Kamaaluddeen al-Ismail said:

Democracy is a fallible system that is made by men for men. We don't want it. We want to establish the Shari'ah of Allaah. The rule is for Allaah. We want the laws that he the Most High has legislated for us. 

 

That is an honourable position to take. Not popular, but I get it. It's not as much the democracy as the degradation of the society. We all would like to live under righteous rule, but until we are judged accordingly and move on to it, we are earthlings.

There is still some skepticism as to how much of Shari'ah law was adapted from the ancient Prophets, and how much was "reorganized" to fit the demographics of the time. If the original law was upheld, then it wouldn't have had to be rewritten. If it required tweaking for the sake of the times, here we are 1400 some years later wondering where the internet and cell phones fit in.

I know what you fear, but it's already here and at your own fingertips. Which Imam can control your internet search? Democracy no longer matters. The only way to keep Shari'ah law now is outside of the reach of the internet.  You cannot.

The problem is the rest of the world doesn't like it. There are a couple reasons, but primarily stemming from the secular world thinking they have the right to free all people around the world from whatever they deem an infringement on "freedom", and propagated by the same evil that wants to be your friend, while all these kind hearted people thinking they are doing you a favour have no idea.

For the same reasons you want Shari'ah law, they don't. It is seen as barbaric and dominant tyranny over the same people it is meant to protect, and the internet will not stop turning everything into atrocities and wrenching at the hearts of the "civilized" world to put an end to it. Wars will continue until the land is desolate, until "Islam" is no longer seen as a threat.

That's the reality of the illusion.

The other reason is that history has proven that while an iron fist may control the people, it does not control their hearts. Democracy separates the sheep from the goats.

As much trouble as you can get into, "raves" happen in Iran, Iraq, Saudi, lebanon, etc. The nightclubs are already there. One picture circulated from the last round of wars in Iran showed a storefront destroyed, exposing a massive collection of CDs for sale. They were not CDs on how to live by Sharia law.

50% of the Syrian refugees to Canada were secular. Only 25% are Muslim, and so far, nobody is crying for Sharia law. No doubt some of the Muslims will fall prey to the Western machine, but the strong in heart will survive. They are for certain among God's people because the law is written in their hearts.  <<-- OT paraphrase. 

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26 minutes ago, Sindbad05 said:

It is clear but like devil deviated from God so did the people. It is not first time that people have fought over divine message,  they also opposed prophets such as jesus and moses so were they wrong or people were very mischievous? 

There is no consensus on who deviated from God and who did not. What is obvious however, is that nations where there is free speach, free political parties, good possibilities of education and medical care, in short the best places to live, are mainly to be found in democrasies. I believe this pleases God. 

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9 hours ago, andres said:

There is no consensus on who deviated from God and who did not. What is obvious however, is that nations where there is free speach, free political parties, good possibilities of education and medical care, in short the best places to live, are mainly to be found in democrasies. I believe this pleases God. 

Does that pleases God that those deomcracies maintain peace in their own countries and like to impose their own wrong thoughts onto the nations. Homosexuality and nudity and stuff like that which is wrongly misinterpreted as freedom which aims to destroy the morality of nations is it justified ? Is it justified that those nations who are democratic rant in their own countries without allowing Muslims to have their voice and rather it propagates Islamophobia and imply towards ISIS as true representative of Islam ? Is it justified for those democracies to trample the countries and kill the leaders whom their nations loved as Israel and USA hatched conspiracy to murder Gamal Abdul Nasir, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Yasir Arafat and Martin Luther King so on so forth. Is it justified for these democracies to install their agents in the name of Islam and nationalism and then kill them like ISIS and Saddam Hussain.

Your democracies support the wicked and their interests and think little about their own nations. Your own nation is a target market for you, you sell weapons and destroy them by instilling wrong thoughts so do not tell me people are happy in west, if you want to see the happy ratio please watch the recent statistics which says that Asian people are more happier than western ones.

The democracies in your countries is laid upon the blood of many innocent people and it is not a democracy but Devilocracy.  

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3 hours ago, Sindbad05 said:

Does that pleases God that those deomcracies maintain peace in their own countries and like to impose their own wrong thoughts onto the nations. Homosexuality and nudity and stuff like that which is wrongly misinterpreted as freedom which aims to destroy the morality of nations is it justified ? Is it justified that those nations who are democratic rant in their own countries without allowing Muslims to have their voice and rather it propagates Islamophobia and imply towards ISIS as true representative of Islam ? Is it justified for those democracies to trample the countries and kill the leaders whom their nations loved as Israel and USA hatched conspiracy to murder Gamal Abdul Nasir, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Yasir Arafat and Martin Luther King so on so forth. Is it justified for these democracies to install their agents in the name of Islam and nationalism and then kill them like ISIS and Saddam Hussain.

Your democracies support the wicked and their interests and think little about their own nations. Your own nation is a target market for you, you sell weapons and destroy them by instilling wrong thoughts so do not tell me people are happy in west, if you want to see the happy ratio please watch the recent statistics which says that Asian people are more happier than western ones.

The democracies in your countries is laid upon the blood of many innocent people and it is not a democracy but Devilocracy.  

I agree with mych of what you say. But. In democrasies there is an open debate about what is wrong and right. Many democrasies did not participate in the invasion of Irak. Some Muslim ones did. Historically Christian and Muslim nations have fought against each other and also internally causing the blood of many innocent people. At present the Syrian regime and Muslim terririst groups are most active. This does not change the fact that democrasies are the most prosperous nations. The stronger democrasies have the power to  invade the less developed undemocratic nations. Sometimes, if not almost always, the result have not been successful.

Let me add that many homosexuals in my country today are well respected people, contributing to society. You may believe they should hang. But that is only because you believe everything that is written in te Quran. Very few Swedes do.

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2 hours ago, andres said:

I agree with mych of what you say. But. In democrasies there is an open debate about what is wrong and right. Many democrasies did not participate in the invasion of Irak. Some Muslim ones did. Historically Christian and Muslim nations have fought against each other and also internally causing the blood of many innocent people. At present the Syrian regime and Muslim terririst groups are most active. This does not change the fact that democrasies are the most prosperous nations. The stronger democrasies have the power to  invade the less developed undemocratic nations. Sometimes, if not almost always, the result have not been successful.

Let me add that many homosexuals in my country today are well respected people, contributing to society. You may believe they should hang. But that is only because you believe everything that is written in te Quran. Very few Swedes do.

Respected in what way ? I do not think they are respected, they are mentally ill and deteriorating your society. How many of these bad people have affected people and many have rendered infertile humans with sick mind. This is a disaster and if you go on encouraging such bad sin one day the birth rate in your countries will extinct. You know that this is against nature but unfortunately you are deceived by these wrong notions too. Their lives are useless and the purpose for which you people believe them to live by will do damage than benefiting your societies. 

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1 hour ago, Sindbad05 said:

Respected in what way ? I do not think they are respected, they are mentally ill and deteriorating your society. How many of these bad people have affected people and many have rendered infertile humans with sick mind. This is a disaster and if you go on encouraging such bad sin one day the birth rate in your countries will extinct. You know that this is against nature but unfortunately you are deceived by these wrong notions too. Their lives are useless and the purpose for which you people believe them to live by will do damage than benefiting your societies. 

Against nature? Well, maybe. Homosexuality always have existed, not only among humans, also among animals. Still now we are too many humans on earth. How come? Because homosexuals always have been a small minority. Around 3%, not increasing, not diminishing. All over the world.

Not respected? Not in Iran where they hang them, but in the "free world" homosexuals are increasingly accepted. Would you not agree that Sir Elton John is a well respected man in Britain? What evil has he done to others? 

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25 minutes ago, andres said:

Against nature? Well, maybe. Homosexuality always have existed, not only among humans, also among animals. Still now we are too many humans on earth. How come? Because homosexuals always have been a small minority. Around 3%, not increasing, not diminishing. All over the world.

Not respected? Not in Iran where they hang them, but in the "free world" homosexuals are increasingly accepted. Would you not agree that Sir Elton John is a well respected man in Britain? What evil has he done to others? 

Where have you seen among animals dude? 

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27 minutes ago, andres said:

Against nature? Well, maybe. Homosexuality always have existed, not only among humans, also among animals. Still now we are too many humans on earth. How come? Because homosexuals always have been a small minority. Around 3%, not increasing, not diminishing. All over the world.

Not respected? Not in Iran where they hang them, but in the "free world" homosexuals are increasingly accepted. Would you not agree that Sir Elton John is a well respected man in Britain? What evil has he done to others? 

Where have you seen among animals dude? 

And secondly it's not in Iran but in Islam too.

Thirdly, I think you are speaking of Elton John, even if devil visits your countries and provides you a timely benefit, you may will respect his opinion too on the plea of free-world. But to tell you truth, it is not a free world but world that is slave of wishes.

Islam does not regards wrong wishes which may be inhumane and catastrophic unlike free world norms which does whatever no matter right and wrongs.

 

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@andres

You know what about animals, if a father kisses son out of fatherly love among animals you say  "Oh! Look at that they are having SEX".

You know that it's a bad habit because it is ruining many people and halting production process so you are supporting an evil and whoever supports an evil is can only be evil. You freedom without limits will destroy you. 

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42 minutes ago, Sindbad05 said:

@andres

You know what about animals, if a father kisses son out of fatherly love among animals you say  "Oh! Look at that they are having SEX".

You know that it's a bad habit because it is ruining many people and halting production process so you are supporting an evil and whoever supports an evil is can only be evil. You freedom without limits will destroy you. 

Calgary's mayor is gay. Just titled the best mayor in the world. Not out of the closet because he's also a Muslim so can't openly admit to it, but you can see the flames in his stride.. 

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58 minutes ago, Sindbad05 said:

Where have you seen among animals dude? 

And secondly it's not in Iran but in Islam too.

Thirdly, I think you are speaking of Elton John, even if devil visits your countries and provides you a timely benefit, you may will respect his opinion too on the plea of free-world. But to tell you truth, it is not a free world but world that is slave of wishes.

Islam does not regards wrong wishes which may be inhumane and catastrophic unlike free world norms which does whatever no matter right and wrongs.

 

Google homosexuality among animals. There are plenty of litterature. I am surprised yoy did not know. 

Yes, I was using Sir Elton John as an example. The reason was that the very title "Sir" proves he is a respected man. Or do you believe the Queen did not know he was married to a man?

You may believe non-muslim countries to be a cathastrophe. Take a look at the world. The ME are in a mess, and its population trying to escape to Europe. Except for the Israelis that live in the only democrasy in ME.

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