Donald J. Trump [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[mahmood8726]

10 minutes ago, notme said:

Final solution. 

Already happening, northern gaza is already being ethnically cleansed(israeli general just admitted this today), trump will make them do this with the full approval publically of the US administration without having to pretend to care about a fraudulent two state solution.

The bad news is this lunatic will continue the slaugther and mosy probably kill more. 

The good news is, trump is a dumb idiot with the attention span of a gold fish and he will expose America's evil to the world by not shutting his mouth off. Just like he said with Syria "were here for the oil" instead of saying the usual lies "were here to fight terrorism". 

[Haji 2003]

Obamacare

 

[notme]

^ The stupidity is staggering.  

[mahmood8726]

Is he having a stroke? 

[Eddie Mecca]

[Haji 2003]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:02 PM, Haji 2003 said:

Whereas the Dems made at least some pretence to stick to international norms, this lot seem to be on a mission to 'fulfil God's prophecy'.

 

It's started:

 

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Donald Trump cancelled Biden-era sanctions on violent Jewish extremists in the occupied West Bank, signing the executive order even as dozens of settlers rampaged through a Palestinian village torching cars and homes to protest against the Israel-Hamas ceasefire.

https://www.ft.com/content/d4ff1e47-5ed0-4d5c-95a1-746be5779f36

[Eddie Mecca]

My Honest Opinion of Donald Trump - Whitney Webb - Liberty Vault - approximately 8 minutes 

 

[Shaheed786]

One bright spot in the Trump administration is that at least they want to put an end to this foolish proxy war in Ukraine. Biden was delusional and dangerous when it came to Russia.  

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, Shaheed786 said:

One bright spot in the Trump administration is that at least they want to put an end to this foolish proxy war in Ukraine. Biden was delusional and dangerous when it came to Russia.  

It all depends on what the other side of the deal is.

If the Trump is now letting Putin have more of Ukraine than Biden would have done (or others in the West are willing to do) is he expecting the Russians to yield more in the Middle East?

That would not be so great.

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

It all depends on what the other side of the deal is.

If the Trump is now letting Putin have more of Ukraine than Biden would have done (or others in the West are willing to do) is he expecting the Russians to yield more in the Middle East?

That would not be so great.

Trump is not letting putin have more of Ukraine, america is going to beg Russia. Russia is the one with leverage here, america won't be the ones making demands, they sent their entire might against Russia in Ukraine and still couldn't defeat Russia. 

So no, america is in no position to tell Russia what to do in the ME. The only bargaining chip here America has issues to threaten Russia to leave Syria, which it's already doing to a certain extent and relocating in lybia, but they made a deal with hts. 

 

Here is what will happen, America here is going to beg Russia for a ceasefire just like they begged hezbollah and hamas for one. Russia will impose conditions on Ukraine, they have to remove n*zi symbolism within their army and state eg(tattoos, salute, stephan Bandera monuments/statues, etc...), they will demilitarise and essentially become like Germany post ww2 but without east and west nonsense, most likley Ukraine will become neutral or pro russian so that it can be a buffer between Russia and the western world as Russia does not trust the western world, and they shouldn't, there is a legitemate threat here and we just saw how much the west gives a damn about sovreignty or boundaries, so they shouldnt expect Russia to respect their sovreignty, Ukraine will unfortunatley have 0 sovreingty here, they f***ed up.

Edited February 17 by mahmood8726

[Northwest]

This debate presupposes that Trump is in a position to negotiate, rather than someone else’s pawn.

I think Putin himself erred by assuming that Trump, even if sincere, has more influence than he does.

Yet Trump does not control the U.S. security services or the media, so the so-called “deep state” can marshal its supranational forces. Government-funded media such as Voice of America and Radio Free Europe continue to oppose Trump’s moves, be they international or domestic. They still oppose a U.S.–Russia deal and urge Ukraine to avoid concessions.

Had Trump really wanted a deal, he could have pressured Zelensky by suspending the Biden-era bilateral security treaty with Ukraine on his first day in office. Officially he did not do so: though he cut humanitarian assistance to Ukraine, the latter still receives U.S. military aid. Zelensky continues to behave as though the Biden administration were still in charge.

Since 2022 the U.S. has supplied the vast majority of Ukraine’s aid, both military and humanitarian. Ukraine is much more an American proxy than an EU or even a NATO proxy. So far “dealmaker” Trump has not persuaded Zelensky to refrain from anti-Russia provocations, such as the recent Chernobyl PSYOP or the bombing of U.S. oil facilities in Russia.

This is the same Zelensky who told Trump that he wanted peace and initially supported the latter’s proposals. Either a) he was lying, b) Trump’s “deal” is something other than the public has been told, or c) Zelensky is being backed by forces more powerful than either Trump or Putin. But why should Russia negotiate with a powerless “dealmaker”?

Trump, not to mention Putin, should have all the leverage vs. Zelensky, especially with a GOP-run U.S. Congress that is officially quite skeptical about further support for Ukraine. Yet Zelensky’s actions show quite clearly that Trump does not. If so, then Trump is partly guilty of false advertising, and Putin of negligence or worse. (This doesn’t lessen Ukraine’s guilt or that of the “deep state” that is behind Zelensky, however.)

I suspected all along that either the “peace” deal was fraudulent or Trump would be unable to carry out his agenda on Ukraine.

[mahmood8726]

On 2/17/2025 at 12:24 PM, Haji 2003 said:

It all depends on what the other side of the deal is.

If the Trump is now letting Putin have more of Ukraine than Biden would have done (or others in the West are willing to do) is he expecting the Russians to yield more in the Middle East?

That would not be so great.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15844

 

BREAKING: President Trump may attend Russia's 'Victory Day' parade in Moscow, commemorating the end of WW2

 

Earlier today, Trump stated 'Zelensky is no longer needed at any negotiating table', and that 'Putin is not to blame for the war'.

 

European defense ministers will hold a crisis meeting in the baltic states next week, to discuss Ukraine and prepare for the worst case scenario: A possible US exit from NATO.

 

 

 

I also saw another report claiming Trump is trying to not use anti Russian language as much as possible. This should be more and more proof that America is not making demands here, he is begging Russia to accept the ceasefire it seems. 

[coldcow]

I think Trump's strategy is propose something completely outlandish and outside of the realm of possibility that it forces a "compromise" that is more favorable to his terms.  

For example, he's talking about Ukraine signing a deal to allow America access to mineral deposits.  "We'll help you keep some of your land if you sign this deal giving access to billions of dollars of minerals, or we'll cut you off completely and let Russia continue to take more and more land, your choice."

In Palestine, I don't know what the game plan will be.  Maybe we'll remove all Palestinians and give it all to Israel, or we give them a large buffer zone, you each take X number, and you have to supply peace keepers to ensure Hamas doesn't gain power."

[Shaheed786]

Economist Richard Wolff: The US empire is over

https://youtu.be/1ih7WJrcjWg?si=6eQ_DLWsYvKP65pi

[Haji 2003]

The Trump effect

The DEI religion morphed quickly!

 

[Shaheed786]

Salaam,

I have become interested lately in a concept developed by the German philosopher Hegel (by way of the the author and social commentator Morris Berman). Hegel talked about the idea of something he coined "a world-historical individual." In short, these are people that come along every once in a while to upend the existing order of things and bring about or at least accelerate a transition to the new order. Their motivations need not consciously (and usually don't) align with the reality of that shift. In fact, they are usually motivated by their own ego-driven goals for power, money, prestige etc.. yet they unwittingly or not serve "history's" greater purpose. Examples that Hegel pointed to were Julius Caesar and Napoleon. 

As believers in God and a divine will, this is not some novel idea to us. We know that events that may seem chaotic and destructive in the immediate term nonetheless often serve a longer-term purpose. Hegel believed in God, though not necessarily in the Abrahamic sense that we do. He talked more of a "universal spirit" whose will is the driving force of history and is manifested in the collective consciousness of people. As a Muslim, I am not endorsing this particular theological view, but I think its interesting in light of certain events. 

When we look at Trump's place in the public consciousness for the past decade or so, no matter how outrageous, crazy or destructive his actions or goals, there has seemed to be this odd sense of inevitability. It's almost like a huge portion (maybe even a majority?) of the US public is horrified by Trump and what he represents, yet simultaneously enabling and even wishing it to happen. Hegel might suggest that this is merely the underlying will of history and society to usher in the new order of things, and Trump, as a world-historic individual is merely the vehicle for it. Sometimes history uses complete Morons to advance the greater purpose. 

When looked at from this lens, it helps to give perspective to what in the moment seems like chaos, self-destruction, irrationality etc... From the perspective of Hegel, what Trump is doing as a world-historic individual is actually entirely rational and fulfilling his purpose, whether he or anyone else knows it.  This is also why the traditional calculations or politics, economics, geopolitics etc.. are not sufficient to stop it. It's why his opponents are shell-shocked and unable (or is it really that they are unwilling?) to effectively respond. This is about something deeper. @Eddie Mecca

Edited April 7 by Shaheed786

[Haji 2003]