Donald J. Trump [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[JannahLM]

20 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Remember the Shia hate in 80s, it is surely back and going to be worse under this guy.

Not even just Shias either, but Muslims period.

[notme]

On 8/16/2024 at 10:08 AM, Haji 2003 said:

 

I despise that man. 

[Hameedeh]

On 9/3/2024 at 1:41 PM, Shaheed786 said:

Food for thought...

Mehdi Hassan says: "Trump Isn't Anti-War. It’s Time to Debunk This Dangerous Myth"

https://zeteo.com/p/trump-anti-war-debunk?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&timestamp=111.3

Everyone should watch this video. If you cannot, mute your sound and click on Transcript and read it. 

[Abu Hadi]

On 9/4/2024 at 6:27 PM, Hameedeh said:

Everyone should watch this video. If you cannot, mute your sound and click on Transcript and read it. 

MaShahAllah. Great video. 

I will share it with all those I know. My family is mostly democrats so they are not voting for Trump anyway but it's good info to have. 

At the same time, I don't think we should vote for Harris as the 'lesser of two evils'. I think they are both equally as evil and both have been intimately involved in Genocide of Muslims, Harris in Gaza and Trump in Yemen, as the video points out. There is no compromise with Genocide. Anyone involved directly in genocide is not someone we should vote for, period. Full Stop. 

BTW, there are alternatives. Dr. Jill Stein is still in the race and I think Muslims should vote for her, en mass as an alternate or just don't vote but it's better to vote because at least you are using your right that this country gave you. 

[Haji 2003]

Muslims endorsing Trump - a bit stunned to be honest

 

[mahmood8726]

On 7/21/2015 at 4:43 PM, Haji 2003 said:

Must say Trump's mockery of McCain and then getting away with it, is almost unbelievable.

Wait, we're you legitematly upset he mocked the pig McCain? 

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Muslims endorsing Trump - a bit stunned to be honest

 

What in the madkhali hell is this???

 

What a clown, just as much of a clown as the muslims endorsing kamala. I guarentee you everyone in that room is uncomfortable with these Muslims being there 

Edited October 27 by mahmood8726

[Abu Hadi]

2 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Muslims endorsing Trump - a bit stunned to be honest

 

These 'Muslims' could possibly be the most stupid people on earth at the present time. 

I live in Michigan and I know lots of people in the community, both Sunni and Shia. Alhamduillah I don't know any of these clowns. InShahAllah his first prediction comes true (I'm a Lions fan, lol) and his second doesn't. 

Edited October 27 by Abu Hadi

[Haji 2003]

 

 

[Haji 2003]

The argument that, 'they're all as bad as each other ...' is one that I can understand, but it's also one that I disagree with.

In my opinion, October 7 happened because of a train that Trump set in motion and which Biden was too weak to put the breaks on i.e. the normalisation of links between the Arab world and Israel - while completely ignoring the Palestinians.

Crucial to the dynamic between Trump, Israel and the Arab world is his son-in-law Jared Kushner. You only have to go through his Twitter/X timeline to see that he has a plan for Israel to dominate the Middle East and a component of that are the Trump business interests.

No corresponding family, personal, or ideological combination drives the Democratic party's policy.

I can see one line of argument that a Trump presidency following in the footsteps of the most extreme settlers would more quickly bring the demise of the United States and should, therefore, be supported. But that's too nihilistic for my liking.

 

 

[mahmood8726]

16 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

The argument that, 'they're all as bad as each other ...' is one that I can understand, but it's also one that I disagree with.

In my opinion, October 7 happened because of a train that Trump set in motion and which Biden was too weak to put the breaks on i.e. the normalisation of links between the Arab world and Israel - while completely ignoring the Palestinians.

Arab normalisation was a thing since decades now, even under bush it was already in motion before Gaza even expelled the illegal settlers in 2005, trump put nothing in motion. Trump only made it more official and public.

If America was a free country without corporations dictating what presidents do, Biden would have not been weak to stop it, he could stop it, biden could stop so many things trump "put in motion",  these are very reversible things.

However, Biden "decided" not to, because the oil companies, millitary industrial companies, tech companies and zionist Christian group did not want him to stop it, they want israel(their millitary base in the ME) to keep americas hegemony there. It's like the the jcpoa, Obama stalled the jcpoa so that Trump could backstab Iran. It's like guantanamo bay, Obama wanted to stop guantanamo bay, but he couldn't, as of 2024 theyre still torturing people there. 

16 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Crucial to the dynamic between Trump, Israel and the Arab world is his son-in-law Jared Kushner. You only have to go through his Twitter/X timeline to see that he has a plan for Israel to dominate the Middle East and a component of that are the Trump business interests.

That Amos Hochstein looking freak called Jared kushner is part of the bigger zionist Christian group that has huge influence on the behaviour of American presidents. Yes he influences what trump does given he's part of that group, but he's hardly what is the driving force of that normalisation. His steal of the century "deal" was here to give us a show so Republicans will worship trump even more and pretend like he wants peace.

16 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

No corresponding family, personal, or ideological combination drives the Democratic party's policy.

The Democratic party like the republican party is driven by the same 4 powerful group of corporations/groups in America, family members are not the main deciding factor here my brother. If democrats get elected, they will arm all quaeda terrorists in Syrias idlib to sow more chaos in Syria and make Israel stronger that way, if the Republicans win, they will arm Israel even more and approve more of Israel's barbaric behaviour. Both have the aim to keep America's hegemony in the middle east through their own respective methods to be seen as diffirent. Democrats will potentially cause ww3 through Russia, the Republicans will potentially cause it with China.

16 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

I can see one line of argument that a Trump presidency following in the footsteps of the most extreme settlers would more quickly bring the demise of the United States and should, therefore, be supported. But that's too nihilistic for my liking.

Don't worry, Israel will drop a nuke under kamala admin too. Israel has already done the worst it can, northern Gaza is effectively ethnically cleansed and turned to glass, probably hundreds of thousands of dead, Israel has behaved in a crazier manner than even under bush or Obama or trump. The only thing remaining is them using nukes and I have no doubt these unreasonable Hitler like fascists will use their nukes. 

 

 

 

Point being, they're not the same, but oct 7 happened because of Israel's behaviour over the last 70 years and ultimately because of Arab normalisation that was set in motion decades ago, even arguably just after the Oslo accords.

[Abu Hadi]

The difference between the Republican and Democrat parties is in style, not substance. They are both completely beholden to the groups mentioned: Mega Corporations, Defense Industry, Zionists, and Wealthy American Individuals and families. When they say 'We the people', these are the people they are talking about, not the other 99.9% of the American people. The US has always been this way since the beginning. At that time 'We the people' was white, male landowners. That group, although a small minority was still about (approx) 10% of the population. The difference now is that 'We the people' is like .1% of the population. 

The Democrats work for this group in secret, by doing assasinations, arming terrorist groups, political coups behind the scenes, etc while talking about 'human rights'. The Republicans openly call for genocide and overthrow of governments and assasination of anyone they don't like and their 'human rights' rhetoric is less compared to the Democrats. That is the only difference. 

 

[mahmood8726]

4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

 

Bint jbeil? He's bringing shame to our people? 

 

[Silas]

Trump claims he is very pro-Israel, and some of his actions as president reflected this, such as moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

But Trump dislikes war and chaotic foreign policy. He does not like disrupted international trade, uprisings, terrorism, etc.

All of that is:

1. bad for business (Trump is a business man)

2. bad for Trump's reputation if he is president

I highly suspect that if he becomes president again, he will tell Netanyahu to immediately stop the attacks, incursions into Lebanon, etc. Unlike Biden's weak, half-hearted pleas to Netanyahu, Trump's demands will come with threats to cut off aid and military supplies. And Trump will be public about this

it sounds very counter-intuitive, but Trump's affection for Israel is outweighed by his desire for popularity, and a stable middle-east. Trump admired Ronald Reagan, and Reagan demanded Israel to stop bombing Lebanon back in 1982 (the president phoned Begin directly, and expressed outrage. He even threatened him)

Now I could be wrong here, but I think I know Trump pretty well

Kamala Harris will simply ignore the Palestinian issue altogether, and allow Israel to do whatever it wants in regards to Lebanon, or even Iran. She will conclude that she must not appear as a "weak woman", so she will allow the bombings to continue, and the tanks to roll. The American press will be instructed by the administration to stop reporting on the ME issues, or to bury the stories. 

A full-blown genocide could result, and it won't be reported, because it might make Harris look bad. Kamala doesn't care about people in Dearborn Michigan, she cares about her financial supporters 

[mahmood8726]

2 hours ago, Silas said:

Trump claims he is very pro-Israel, and some of his actions as president reflected this, such as moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

But Trump dislikes war and chaotic foreign policy. He does not like disrupted international trade, uprisings, terrorism, etc.

All of that is:

1. bad for business (Trump is a business man)

2. bad for Trump's reputation if he is president

I highly suspect that if he becomes president again, he will tell Netanyahu to immediately stop the attacks, incursions into Lebanon, etc. Unlike Biden's weak, half-hearted pleas to Netanyahu, Trump's demands will come with threats to cut off aid and military supplies. And Trump will be public about this

it sounds very counter-intuitive, but Trump's affection for Israel is outweighed by his desire for popularity, and a stable middle-east. Trump admired Ronald Reagan, and Reagan demanded Israel to stop bombing Lebanon back in 1982 (the president phoned Begin directly, and expressed outrage. He even threatened him)

Now I could be wrong here, but I think I know Trump pretty well

If trump tries this, rest assured, being smeared by TV like he was when he partially pulled out of Syria will be the least of his worries. He will however, share the same fate as rfk's relative in the 1960s if you know what I mean. Then it will be blamed on Iran to justify a full blown war there. Trump like an idiot has unwillingly made himself the sacrificial lamb for a false flag against Iran. But the people who want to show him the way to the afterlife are so bad at doing their jobs, because of Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will. 

2 hours ago, Silas said:

Kamala Harris will simply ignore the Palestinian issue altogether, and allow Israel to do whatever it wants in regards to Lebanon, or even Iran. She will conclude that she must not appear as a "weak woman", so she will allow the bombings to continue, and the tanks to roll. The American press will be instructed by the administration to stop reporting on the ME issues, or to bury the stories. 

All shows my friend, she's doing what she's told if she gets elected.

2 hours ago, Silas said:

A full-blown genocide could result, and it won't be reported, because it might make Harris look bad.

That has already happened. The only thing worse now is a nuke or a full extermination of the palestinian people as we know them.

2 hours ago, Silas said:

Kamala doesn't care about people in Dearborn Michigan, she cares about her financial supporters 

She's a politician, just like Trump, they're all either psychopaths, blackmailed, or good people but told they will be killed if they disobey. Who knows what's in Trump's head, he could be pretending to get their votes then he starts behaving like Cesar, that would be funny, but if he does that, he will not live long.

[Haji 2003]

 

[islamicmusic]

Trump says Netanyahu is doing a good job. And that Biden needs to let him completely loose on Muslims.

So, I wonder how even a "sunni" sheikh would suppose that either of the parties are against Israel, or war on muslims. But yeah, it is not first time people sell their akhirah to the worldly materials of others.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 9/5/2024 at 9:35 PM, Abu Hadi said:

BTW, there are alternatives. Dr. Jill Stein is still in the race and I think Muslims should vote for her, en mass as an alternate or just don't vote but it's better to vote because at least you are using your right that this country gave you. 

Salam related thread

 

[Silas]

On 10/28/2024 at 11:32 AM, islamicmusic said:

Trump says Netanyahu is doing a good job. And that Biden needs to let him completely loose on Muslims.

So, I wonder how even a "sunni" sheikh would suppose that either of the parties are against Israel, or war on muslims. But yeah, it is not first time people sell their akhirah to the worldly materials of others.

Trump says lots of things

but like I said, if he gets into office, he isn't going to want a massive ME conflict. Behind closed-doors he will tell Netanyahu to pull back, and if Bibi refuses, Trump will then go public with threats

make no mistake: both Kamala and Trump are horrible when it comes to ME policy, but Harris is much worse imho. 

[islamicmusic]

You don't have to vote. You should not vote. I live in a ME country and I don't vote. Because, both the so-called "islamist" parties and the so-called "leftist" parties work for the same agenda. Cause the ruling system wants you to belive you have to choose and that you have a voice in the parliament when you don't. None of the people do. So you need to raise your voice by not voting.

[SoRoUsH]

It's beyond despicable for Muslims, having seen Trump's first term in the office, to want to vote for him again. He has only gotten worse and bolder in his fascism. 

Muslims can, rightfully, despise Biden and Harris for their endorsement and support of genocide in Palestine. They can choose to not vote for them. 

But to allow their hate for Biden/Harris to lead them to vote for Trump, a truly odious individual, is a vivid demonstration of how hate incapacitates one's mental and cognitive functioning.

[Haji 2003]

Trump lays out his Lebanon policy

Coded attack on Shias

 

[mahmood8726]

3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Trump lays out his Lebanon policy

Coded attack on Shias

 

This is Trump saying his usual garbage. He's said this about Palestinians, north korea, etc... he keeps painting himself as this peace maker so people vote for him. Anyone who does and falls for this garbage is an idiot. 

[mahmood8726]

9 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

It's beyond despicable for Muslims, having seen Trump's first term in the office, to want to vote for him again. He has only gotten worse and bolder in his fascism. 

Well to be fair, America is a fascist country main controlled/heavily influenced by corporations. 

9 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

Muslims can, rightfully, despise Biden and Harris for their endorsement and support of genocide in Palestine. They can choose to not vote for them. 

But to allow their hate for Biden/Harris to lead them to vote for Trump, a truly odious individual, is a vivid demonstration of how hate incapacitates one's mental and cognitive functioning.

It's understandable, but they often use mental gymnastics similar to that of the dems to justify voting for their party. Same "lesser of two evils" nonsense. One of their main arguments is that Trump is honest on his hatered, whilst Harris and Biden lie constantly about wanting a ceasefire, which is why to them Harris and Biden are even more insidious to the Palestinians, as America can just get away from accountability with Biden Harris admin.

To me this argument doesn't justify voting for a pig/child killer like Trump, just like the same mental gymnastics dems make, won't justify voting for a child toucher/killer like Joe Biden.

The people who make such "lesser of two evils" arguments and want you to vote for their parties, are people who will justify all the depravity both of their parties have commited for decades. They do this, just so they can get their reduction in immigrants Trump promised them or the abortion that Biden promised or the better Healthcare the dems promised or the less crimes the Republicans promised, or the closure of guantanamo bay obama promised(still open today). Most of the time these are empty promises with breadcrumbs being thrown from time to time. When you show them these are empty promises, they will use more mental gymnastics, they will distort statistics, etc... to justify their tribalism towards their party. 

Edited November 1 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

https://t.me/bintjbeilnews/117999

 

What an embarrassment for the Lebanese people. Shame on any lebanese people publicly endorsing Trump or kamala. I disassociate from all of them shameless pigs who do this. If these idiots genuenly beleive Trump will bring peace, they're in for a rude awakening.

Edited November 3 by mahmood8726

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, mahmood8726 said:

https://t.me/bintjbeilnews/117999

 

What an embarrassment for the Lebanese people. Shame on any lebanese people publicly endorsing Trump or kamala. I disassociate from all of them shameless pigs who do this. If these idiots genuenly beleive Trump will bring peace, they're in for a rude awakening.

I actually go so far to even send La'nah upon all of those who vote and support these evil people, who spit and throw their religion to trash on favor of this disgusting liberal religion. Shame upon all of them and all those who live in western lands while feel disgusting over Islamic laws and values so they started to mix liberal values with Islam.

It is never too late to repent from this madness and stop voting these evil people.

Edited November 3 by Abu Nur

[Abu Hadi]

On 10/27/2024 at 6:29 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Muslims endorsing Trump - a bit stunned to be honest

 

Mehdi Hassan destroys him live on the air

I'm sorry to say but it looks like this guy is presenting himself as an 'Imam' of a masjid in Detroit which is primarily attended by our Yemeni brothers and sisters. 

To the Yemeni brothers and sisters who attend this masjid, this guy has lost his right to call himself an Imam of the Masjid. I would never do Salat behind him because he is not adl. Please find another Imam. Everyone who participated in this meeting with Trump should lose their right to govern this masjid and lead the Salat there. I am asking the honorable brothers and sisters who attend this masjid to get rid of such people. 

After this interview, there are only two conclusions you can come to 1. He is extremely naive and stupid and might actually have severe learning disabilities to the point where he is not qualified to have any position in the masjid. This is beyond 'naive'. I think Mehdi was using the word 'naive' to be generous to this guy but he doesn't deserve this generosity. 

2. He got a 'pay package' from Trump for his statement. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide him toward the Haqq. 

Either way, him and all those who met with Trump should be kicked out of leadership positions at this masjid. Period. 

Edited November 3 by Abu Hadi

[Diaz]

9 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

https://t.me/bintjbeilnews/117999

 

What an embarrassment for the Lebanese people. Shame on any lebanese people publicly endorsing Trump or kamala. I disassociate from all of them shameless pigs who do this. If these idiots genuenly beleive Trump will bring peace, they're in for a rude awakening.

They don’t care about us, they care about themselves only. Some of my friends will vote for trump because of taxes. 

[mahmood8726]

8 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

I actually go so far to even send La'nah upon all of those who vote and support these evil people, who spit and throw their religion to trash on favor of this disgusting liberal religion. Shame upon all of them and all those who live in western lands while feel disgusting over Islamic laws and values so they started to mix liberal values with Islam.

It is never too late to repent from this madness and stop voting these evil people.

I wanted to send lanat on all who voted on kamala and Trump, but it's not wise to do so, most of these people are being emotional. I hope they repent from this, but it is what it is and I urge you to forgive them for their horrible act. 

Edited November 3 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

9 minutes ago, Diaz said:

They don’t care about us, they care about themselves only. Some of my friends will vote for trump because of taxes. 

Some don't care yes, most are being emotional, especially the "lesser of two evils" ones, they're not being reasonable and it's making them vote for very evil people, I hope Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has mercy on them in yawm al qiyamah because this doesn't look good.

[Abu Hadi]

18 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

I wanted to send lanat on all who voted on kamala and Trump, but it's not wise to do so, most of these people are being emotional. I hope they repent from this, but it is what it is and I urge you to forgive them for their horrible act. 

Sending La'nat is only for those who have passed away without repenting and are considered Taghut or Thalimeen or Kathebeen (great liars whose lies harmed many people). 

I don't think we should send La'nat on these people, I think we should ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to guide them toward the Haqq unless they fit into the above categories. 

[mahmood8726]

39 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Sending La'nat is only for those who have passed away without repenting and are considered Taghut or Thalimeen or Kathebeen (great liars whose lies harmed many people). 

I don't think we should send La'nat on these people, I think we should ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to guide them toward the Haqq unless they fit into the above categories. 

This too, sending lanat is dangerous.

Wait have I sinned for sending lanat on all zionists? 

[notme]

One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump: safety. Harris: crime." So basically they are saying that if Trump is elected, he will be in prison, since he is a convicted felon. It's a strange POV.

[Abu Nur]

4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Sending La'nat is only for those who have passed away without repenting and are considered Taghut or Thalimeen or Kathebeen (great liars whose lies harmed many people). 

I don't think we should send La'nat on these people, I think we should ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to guide them toward the Haqq unless they fit into the above categories. 

I agree, seeing Muslim supporting evil people can make me sometimes emotional too to go too far, but asking Allah guidance is best.

[Muhammed Ali]

Quote

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, says 78-percent of Muslims who voted in the 2000 presidential election voted for George Bush.

https://www.cair.com/cair_in_the_news/survey-shows-bush-support-drops-among-muslim-voters/

Quote

 

"Governor Bush took the initiative to meet with local and national representatives of the Muslim community. He also promised to address Muslim concerns on domestic and foreign policy issues," said AMPCC-PAC head Agha Saeed.

Bush also said during a recent interview with Beliefnet.com, a multi-faith website, that he supports taxpayer money to teach the Qur'an in American prisons.

 

https://www.islamicity.org/771/election-2000-american-muslim-group-endorses-bush/

Little did they know about the Project for the New American Century, which would influence Bush's foreign policy.