Donald J. Trump [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[Haji 2003 6,854]

This is the full clip from Trump's recent Phoenix speech. The Republican party is pretty good at throwing up some real fruitcakes, remember Sarah Palin? But Trump comes across as savvy. 

He's taken a hit for his anti-immigration/anti-Mexican stance, so he brings up an African-American dude whose lost a son to an illegal immigrant criminal. Neat.

He's against Obamacare but he leavens that by emphasising that they need to help everyone, even if it angers Republicans.

What I can't understand is that if he's candidature fails what will be the knock-on effect on his businesses, because he'll have upset a lot of businesspeople along the way. He pulls no punches with Macy's.

[Khadim uz Zahra 3,177]

He's a joke and while preliminary polls do suggest him being second among the Republican armada, you can be sure that the American public won't be so stupid as to elect this guy as president, that's a done deal, not with Hillary also running. He's already a joke among them and this candidacy is a mere show; I would be surprised if even he believed he's getting anything out of this.

[Haji 2003 6,854]

On 7/12/2015 at 7:32 AM, Khadim uz Zahra said:

He's a joke ...

Well he may be, but IMHO he's landing punches that I've never seen any previous joke candidate attempt.

He's openly attacked the U.S. ambassador to Japan as being unfit for the job. He's naming blue-chip U.S. corporations' and their investment plans and how he plans to penalise them. He's coming across as being seriously anti-establishment. Added to which is his claim that he's funding himself and so won't be beholden to special interests.

As ever there's more to this than meets the eye. He's extremely anti-Iran and that suggests there is at least one special interest group he knows he needs to pander to.

[Reza 9,913]

He's been in the entertainment/TV business for a while.  Theatrics are in his blood.  He's also not a professional politician, so he's playing that card to distinguish himself from the lot. 

[Brained 1,876]

Unrelated, but it had me in fits:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420084/donald-trump-puts-camp-campaign

[Renaissance_Man 99]

Personally, I'm loving the trainwreck that is Donald Trump.  His open bigotry and general buffoonery is bringing down the Republican Party in flames and making the other GOP candidates irrelevant.

I think Trump is speaking the minds of many Republicans and that's why his poll numbers are surging.  If this keeps up, the Democrats will cruise to victory in 2016.

Only bad thing about that is we'll be stuck with Hillary Clinton..unless Bernie Sanders pulls off the impossible and wins it.

[Haydar Husayn 9,623]

I can't believe people still take politics seriously, especially in America, where they have just experienced 8 years of Obama. If that isn't enough to make someone lose faith in politics, nothing is. People might as well vote for a clown like Trump. It's not like he's ever be allowed to do anything dangerous anyway. From my point of view, I'd rather have politicians in power who are a little more honest about what they believe, even if I don't particularly like it, than a wolf in sheep's clothing like Obama. As for what Trump is saying, despite his inflammatory rhetoric, it's clear that illegal immigration is a serious problem in America, and it's one that is especially dangerous for the Republicans, since it changes the demographics in favour of the Democrats. Things have almost certainly passed the point of no return though, which is why the other Republican candidates are wishing Trump would stop talking about this stuff.

[baradar_jackson 8,044]

^ How does illegal immigration change the demographics in favor of Democrats?

Illegal immigrants don't vote. Not just because they can't, but because they really have no interest in voting. Maybe it could be a problem if these illegal immigrants' kids end up being voters.

But it's not a problem for American society. Vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US come from Mexico. Most of them come to work. They are law-abiding, and in fact remember the scandal when Bank of America was exposed for giving them loans? Well, it turns out they are more faithful to their loans than any other demographic group in these United States of Murica. 

Anyone who lives in California or Texas can tell you that illegal immigration is the least of Murica's problems.

[Haydar Husayn 9,623]

On 7/12/2015 at 10:33 PM, baradar_jackson said:

^ How does illegal immigration change the demographics in favor of Democrats?

Illegal immigrants don't vote. Not just because they can't, but because they really have no interest in voting. Maybe it could be a problem if these illegal immigrants' kids end up being voters.

'End up' being voters? It's not like illegal immigration is a new phenomenon. They already have children who are voters, and some others obtained citizenship themselves either through marriage or the child itself. Not only that, but the increase in the population of the Latino population (both legal and illegal) increases the pressure to grant amnesty to illegals.

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But it's not a problem for American society. Vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US come from Mexico. Most of them come to work. They are law-abiding, and in fact remember the scandal when Bank of America was exposed for giving them loans? Well, it turns out they are more faithful to their loans than any other demographic group in these United States of Murica. 

Anyone who lives in California or Texas can tell you that illegal immigration is the least of Murica's problems.

Of course most of them come to work. That's the reason most people try to get into more well-off countries. As for being more law-abiding, this is again not surprising, simply because of the fact that they are illegal. Getting arrested wouldn't be a very smart move. However, there are also those who come for criminal reasons, such as gang members, or people involved with drugs. That's the thing with illegal immigration, you have no idea who is coming in. The fact that most end up being law-abiding (aside from the fact that they broke the law to get/stay in the country in the first place) isn't much comfort if there turns out to be a significant minority who are criminals.

[Haji 2003 6,854]

Must say Trump's mockery of McCain and then getting away with it, is almost unbelievable.

[Kasem 13]

Trump is a phony. He's thought about running for President multiple times, and every time around, he changes ideologies.

He's not a Republican, and he's certainly not a Democrat (he was part of Ross Perot's Reform Party in the late 1990's I believe?)

He's just as bad as Hilary Clinton in regards to having a position and sticking to it. Complete and total flake/phony.

[King 3,790]

On 7/12/2015 at 8:00 PM, Haydar Husayn said:

I can't believe people still take politics seriously, especially in America, where they have just experienced 8 years of Obama. If that isn't enough to make someone lose faith in politics, nothing is. People might as well vote for a clown like Trump. It's not like he's ever be allowed to do anything dangerous anyway. From my point of view, I'd rather have politicians in power who are a little more honest about what they believe, even if I don't particularly like it, than a wolf in sheep's clothing like Obama. As for what Trump is saying, despite his inflammatory rhetoric, it's clear that illegal immigration is a serious problem in America, and it's one that is especially dangerous for the Republicans, since it changes the demographics in favour of the Democrats. Things have almost certainly passed the point of no return though, which is why the other Republican candidates are wishing Trump would stop talking about this stuff.

Illegal immigration is more of a blessing for the republicans than a curse, the US economy would literally collapse in 3 seconds if it wasn't for them.

You really think the US government, republican or otherwise couldn't put a stop to illegal immigration in pretty quick time if it really wanted to?

[Abu Hadi 8,107]

As if you needed another reason, and it's not as if he has a good chance anyway. 
 
But this is particularly disturbing, coming from a presidential candidate. 
 
The full story is here...
 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politics/donald-trump-obama-muslim-new-hampshire/
 
Cnn is trying to make main issue of the comments about Obama, but it is even more than that. 
Here is a portion of the exchange between Donald Trump and a genocidal anti muslim zealot 
at his rally. 
 
"We have a problem in this country. It's called Muslims," an unidentified man who spoke at a question-and-answer town hall event in Rochester, New Hampshire asked the mogul at a rally Thursday night. "You know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American."
A seemingly bewildered Trump interrupted the man, chuckling, "We need this question. This is the first question."
"Anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us," the man, wearing a "Trump" T-shirt, continued. "That's my question: When can we get rid of them?"
"We're going to be looking at a lot of different things," Trump replied. "You know, a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening. We're going to be looking at that and many other things."

[Hameedeh 17,658]

I am wondering if Donald Trump had met this man before or if he knew what he was going to say? Trump said: "This man. I like this guy." before the man even asked his anti-Muslim question.

[LeftCoastMom 4,362]

No thinking human should be voting for Trump, Abu Hadi.

Trumpo the clown trying to morph into Rambo the clown?

[monad 1,412]

The native should file a law suit and ask that man to leave america, after all, his forefathers, STOLE their land, while having their own training camps as history recalls.

[LeftCoastMom 4,362]

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[Gypsy 3,145]

No thinking human should be voting for Trump, Abu Hadi.

Trumpo the clown trying to morph into Rambo the clown?

Donald Trump is/was republican front runner. It's very obvious that he has a lot of support among the people who may not be the best informed or prejudice against Muslim/Islam. You are seeing them popping out eagerly at the republican events, remember John McCain townhall in 2008 when a similar incident happened?

[LeftCoastMom 4,362]

Donald Trump is/was republican front runner. It's very obvious that he has a lot of support among the people who may not be the best informed or prejudice against Muslim/Islam. You are seeing them popping out eagerly at the republican events, remember John McCain townhall in 2008 when a similar incident happened?

True, but that is always the case with these things. IMHO, Trump is only interesting because he is plainly a corrupt business tycoon with zero moral compass who is just drumming up support among the ( you're right) terminally ignorant in this country. Speak a few key phrases and they'll follow you anywhere . I personally think he is just talking the talk and could care less about the Republican party's sacred cows. Not sure how prejudiced against Islam he actually is. If he could find a way to exploit Muslims for fun and profit ,he'd be great with them ....after the election. Right now they're only good for grinding up in the mix he's using to chum for votes. People could put revolving doors on the abortion clinics , take scads of drugs, and have carnal knowledge of each other in the streets for all he really cares. Better for the oligarchy if they do and never have a critical thought in their heads. If he ever walked into " his" church with a smidgen of real faith the roof would fall in from the shock. If he gets elected he'll stick it to the country AND his commoner followers. The uber-rich will benefit, no one else.

[Vito_Corleone 30]

One should never vote for anyone in any election, unless they've seen them do good things in the position they are running for. An incumbent who has actually done something.