Meaning of Mother of believers (case solved)

[Fahad Sani]

The impression created by twelver shias while referring to Surah Ahzab Ayah 6 is that mother of believers is only in the sense that no one can marry wives of Prophet s.a.w.w after him. Its merely about prohibition of marriage with them. Nothing more, nothing less.

While the order of prohibition of marrying the wives of Prophet s.a.w.w  is already mentioned in Ahzab 52-53 very explicitly.

Not lawful to you, [O Muhammad], are [any additional] women after  [this], nor [is it] for you to exchange them for [other] wives, even  if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses. And ever is Allah , over all things, an Observer.

O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except  when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But  when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse  without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior]  was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But  Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for  something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your  hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you  to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever.  Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.

Then what is the significance and importance of Ahzab 6.

The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, and his  wives are [in the position of] their mothers. And those of [blood]  relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah  than the [other] believers and the emigrants, except that you may do  to your close associates a kindness [through bequest]. That was in the  Book inscribed.

Moreover this include all wives of Prophet s.a.w.w, not only umm aisha  s.a. And they are mothers of both believing men and women. As verse does not separate the men and women here.

Furthermore, both shia and sunni commentaries also confirm the same. i.e its more than merely prohibition of marriage.

Sunni Tafsir

1. Tafsir Qurtubi:

وأزواجه أمهاتهم شرف الله تعالى أزواج نبيه صلى الله عليه وسلم بأن جعلهن أمهات المؤمنين ; أي في وجوب التعظيم والمبرة والإجلال وحرمة النكاح على الرجال

And his wives (i.e. wives of the Prophet) are their mothers (i.e. mothers of believers). Allah venerated the wives of His Prophet salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam by giving them the status of Mothers of Believers, i.e. to be respected and venerated and the prohibition of re-marrying. (vol.14, p.123)

 

2. Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

وقوله : ( وأزواجه أمهاتهم ) أي : في الحرمة والاحترام ، والإكرام والتوقير والإعظام ، ولكن لا تجوز الخلوة بهن ، ولا ينتشر التحريم إلى بناتهن وأخواتهن بالإجماع

(and his wives are their mothers.) i.e. in terms of prohibition (of marriage), and in terms of honour, respect and veneration, it is not permissible for them to be alone with them, and the prohibition of marriage to them does not extend to their daughters and sisters, according to scholarly consensus. (vol. 6, p. 380)

 

3. Tafsir Fath al-Qadir:

وأزواجه أمهاتهم أي : مثل أمهاتهم في الحكم بالتحريم ومنزلات منزلتهن في استحقاق التعظيم فلا يحل لأحد أن يتزوج بواحدة منهن كما لا يحل له أن يتزوج بأمه ، فهذه الأمومة مختصة بتحريم النكاح لهن وبالتعظيم لجنابهن

(And his wives are their mothers) means: they are like their mothers in the ruling of prohibition of marriage, and they share the station of deserving treatment of grandeur, so it is not permissible for anyone to marry anyone of them, just like it is impermissible for them to marry their mothers. Thus this motherhood is about forbidding marriage with them and about respecting/venerating them.

 

4. Tafsir al-Baydhawi:

منزلات منزلتهن في التحريم واستحقاق التعظيم وأزواجه أمهاتهم

“And his wives are their mothers” means they share the station of prohibition in marriage and deserving treatment of grandeur. (vol. 1, p. 364)

 

5. Tafsir Ruh al-Ma’ani:

وأزواجه أمهاتهم أي منزلات منزلة أمهاتهم في تحريم النكاح وإستحقاق التعظيم

“And his wives are their mothers” means they share the station of mothers in the prohibition of marriage and the deservedness of respect. (vol. 21, p. 151)

 

Shia Tafsir

1. Tafsir al-Mizan of Ayatollah al-Tabataba’i:

وقوله: (وأزواجه أمهاتهم) جعل تشريعي أي انهن منهم بمنزلة أمهاتهم في وجوب تعظيمهن وحرمة نكاحهن بعد النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم

(and his wives are their mothers). This is the Sharia ruling i.e. his wives are to them like their mothers, and by necessity they (i.e. the wives of the Prophet) have to be honoured and are not allowed to be taken as wives after the Prophet salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam. (vol. 16, p. 288)

 

2. Tafsir al-Safi of the renowned Muhsin al-Fayd al-Kashani,

وأزوجه أمهاتهم منزلات منزلتهن في التحريم مطلقا وفي استحقاق التعظيم

(And his wives are their mothers) means they share the station of prohibition in marriage and deserving treatment of grandeur. (vol. 4, p. 168)

 

3. Tafsir Namunah/al-Amthal Fi Tafsir al-Qur’an (written by Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi and other researchers):

در اينجا سؤ الى مطرح است و آن اينكه آيا تعبير ((ازواجه امهاتهم )): ((همسران پيامبر مادران مؤ منين محسوب مى شوند)) با چيزى كه در چند آيه قبل گذشت تضاد ندارد؟ زيرا در آنجا مى فرمايد: ((كسانى كه گاهى همسرانشان را بمنزله مادر خود قرار مى دهند، سخن باطلى مى گويند، مادر آنها فقط كسى است كه از او متولد شده اند)) با اين حال چگونه همسران پيامبر كه مسلمانان از آنان متولد نشده اند مادر محسوب مى شوند؟ در پاسخ اين سؤ ال بايد به اين نكته توجه كرد كه خطاب مادر به يك زن يا بايد از نظر جسمانى باشد يا روحانى ، اما از نظر جسمانى تنها در صورتى اين معنى واقعيت دارد كه انسان از او متولد شده باشد، و اين همان است كه در آيات پيشين آمده كه مادر جسمانى انسان تنها كسى است كه از او متولد شده است ، و اما پدر يا مادر روحانى كسى است كه يكنوع حق معنوى بر او داشته باشد، همچون پيامبر (صلى اللّه عليه و آله و سلّم ) كه پدر روحانى امت محسوب مى شود، و هم به خاطر او همسرانش احترام مادر را دارند.

A question arises here that isn’t the explanation of the verse (and his wives are their mothers) against the verses mentioned before. Because there it is mentioned, “Those who declare their wives as their mothers, and in fact they use false words, their mothers are only the ones who bore them.” In this situation, how can the wives of the Prophet (peace be upon him) be considered the mothers of the believers. This point should be noted in answering the question at hand that addressing a woman as mother is either due to biological relation, or spiritual relation. This meaning could be only in the case of biological relation, and this is the same thing which is mentioned in the earlier verses, that a person’s biological mother is only the one who bore him. But the spiritual mother and father are those who have a kind of special right over them, as the Prophet (peace be upon him) is considered the spiritual father of the nation, and due to him, his wives hold the respect which a mother holds. (vol. 17, p. 180)

Words of Imam Ali a.s, whom twelvers claim to follow.

ولها بعد حرمتها الاولى والحساب على الله

She has the same respect afterwards as she had earlier, and the  accountability is on Allah to take. (Nahjul balagha)

Same respect/honour as she had earlier, meaning she was neither given divorce nor was cursed by Imam Ali a.s.

Therefore, the title mother of believers is a great merit of the wives of Prophet s.a.w.w. A fact which can not be denied except by ignorant one. And any narrations that goes against these explicit verses of Quran are nothing but useless.

Jazak Allah Khairan.

Edited January 21, 2017 by Fahad Sani

[Fahad Sani]

Umm Aisha and all other wives of Prophet s.a.w.w are the mother of all believers men and women.

Testimony from Imam Ali a.s.

 حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ، قال : حَدَّثَنَا زَائِدَةُ ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ قَيْسٍ ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ وَهْبٍ ، قَالَ فَلَمْ يَكُنْ قِتَالُهُمْ إِلَّا تِلْكَ الْعَشِيَّةَ وَحْدَهَا , فَجَاءُوا بِالْغَدِ يُكَلِّمُونَ عَلِيًّا فِي الْغَنِيمَةِ فَقَرَأَ عَلِيٌّ هَذِهِ الْآيَةُ , فَقَالَ : " أَمَا إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ : وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّمَا غَنِمْتُمْ مِنْ شَيْءٍ فَأَنَّ لِلَّهِ خُمُسَهُ وَلِلرَّسُولِ سورة الأنفال آية 41 أَيُّكُمْ لِعَائِشَةَ ؟ " فَقَالُوا : سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ , أُمُّنَا , فَقَالَ : " أَحَرَامٌ هِيَ ؟ " قَالُوا : نَعَمْ , قَالَ عَلِيٌّ : " فَإِنَّهُ يَحْرُمُ مِنْ بَنَاتِهَا مَا يَحْرُمُ مِنْهَا


[(etc...) Their battle lasted only that night, then on the next day they (the soldiers) came to ask `Ali for their share of the booty so `Ali recited to them: {Know that, whatever booty you take, the fifth of it is God's, and the Messenger's} [8:41] `Ali then told them: "Who shall take `Aisha?" (meaning as part of their share) They responded: "Glory be to Allah, our mother!?" He replied: "Why not, is she forbidden?" They said: "Yes!" `Ali said to them: "If she is forbidden for you then so are her daughters!" (...etc)]

Source: Musannaf ibn abi Shaybah, kitab-ul-Jamal.

Testimony from Umm Salma s.a.

واخرج ابن سعد عن ام سلمة قالت انا ام الرجال منكم و النساء

Ummi Salamah said: “I am the Mother of the men amongst you and the women.” (Tabaqat al-Kabir 8/65)

[Sumerian]

1 hour ago, Fahad Sani said:

The impression created by twelver shias while referring to Surah Ahzab Ayah 6 is that mother of believers is only in the sense that no one can marry wives of Prophet s.a.w.w after him. Its merely about prohibition of marriage with them. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

It is an honourable title but it means little in the wide scope of things.

Edited January 21, 2017 by starlight
edited out long quote

[The Green Knight]

If she was really a mother of all believers in the Sunni sense of the term then the battle of Jamal and so many sahaba deaths would not have happened. The sahaba would not have fought their own mother, nor a mother would not have made war upon and killed thousands of her sons.

We all know what is what. It is a sad human characteristic to be stubborn and insist upon ignorance and self deceit.

[Sumerian]

If you can read Arabic, read this: http://www.aqaed.com/faq/2034/

This is an honourable title the same way being a Sayyed is an honourable title, has nothing to do with how things will go in the akhira.

[guest050817]

Brother, you are both right and wrong.

Right in that it is a title of rank but also a title of responsibility. They are women who lived with the Prophet [saw] and the standards upon them are much higher.

As the Quran states, if they do good, twice is their reward, and if they commit evil, the Quran states twice is their punishment.

Therefore we must look at each wife and look at their acts under a greater level of scrutiny.

[Aladin from Azra tribe]

It's not honorable title, it's just about that they were forbidden to marry any other man.

Their case was as the case of other women and that's why Allah swt told to them (and to us) two examples of each "extreme".

[Guest]

Yes, she really is the mother of believers because that would make Caliph Abu bakr the grandfather of all believers.

[zainabamy]

This argument is flawed. Even if this view is correct, Allah (swt) says only to obey your parents when they are doing halal but not if they are pushing you to haram. (ie: lying and conspiring against the Prophet (sawa), trying to ruin the good name of honest women and fighting against the man the Prophet (sawa) called his brother and leading to the deaths of thousands of Muslims.)

[saas]

We do not disagree on the 'position' that all wives of Prophets (p) are considered Mothers of believers. The hadith in all major hadith sources attest to this. 

Besides not marrying the Prophets wives, according to sunni and shia usul-al-fiqh it is further agreed that this title does make any wife immune to sin/error/hypocrisy, etc. Where we greatly differ is that Sunnism, under the impression one cannot repeat history, does not permit discussion or acknowledgement in questioning the nature of such persons. That too, when it's clearly established with ''absolute proof". Some scholars have gone a step further by simply suggesting that the errors are pardonable based on their status. Others quote hadith "if the husband dies and he is pleased with his wife, the wife is jannati". 

I'm sure brother Fahad Sani truly does reflect on what he preaches, trusting that he actually does refer back to the Quran and Sunnah as he often expresses. The Quran itself admonishes Bibi Hafsa and Bibi Aisha. Wives of the Prophets are not immune to the punishment of fire either. Allah (swt) has already sentenced the wives of Prophet Nuh (as) and Prophet Lut (as) as inmates of fire.

Besides discussion, acknowledgement, speaking the truth, Tawalla and Tabarra, Nahi al Munkar and Amr bil maroof, we too agree one should not adopt practices such as name calling, slander, insult, etc. Often this idea of respect and veneration, which is by definition the authors personal understanding, remains an attempt to conceal truth unless it is conditional to being 'well-mannered in speaking of such personalities'. If it denies scrutiny on the whole, that would be a crime against the religion itself and would cause the Book of Allah (swt) as a word which is invalid and conflicting.

 

[Goswami]

Mother of believers doesn't mean that a mother of a believer cannot be an apostate.

[Hassan-]

Mother of the believers that waged war against imam ali (as) and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of her sons lol... 

[AbuHope]

What Muhammad (s.a.w.a) said/prophesied about Ammar ibn Yasir (r.a.) (i.e. that he would be killed by the party of deceivers who call him to Hell) you'd think that Muslims in that time would just look at where Ammar (r.a.) went to and stayed away from the other party. Which.. If I'm not mistaken is exactly what happened with either Talha or Zubayr, I forgot which one, saw Ammar (r.a.) on the battlefield and remembered the Prophet's (s.a.w.a) words and abandoned the fight. It was during this battle that Muslims in general were in mass confusion, because they said on one side this is the Prophet's (s.a.w.a) wife and the other side is the best one after the Prophet (s.a.w.a).. and Ammar (r.a.) told everybody in attendance ''Yes, she is your mother. But Allah is testing you today whether you support the truth or follow her.''

By the way, look at how Ameer ul mumineen (a.s.) treated her after she personally waged a war against him.... nothing but respect and honour.

[Hassan-]

A women came to Aisha named Um `Ofa Al `Abdiya and said "Aisha what's the ruling if a mother kills her children?",  Aisha said "They go straight to hell."  than the women replied "How about the mother that led to the death of 10,000 of her children?" 

What a killer line that is lol. @Fahad Sani you still think she went to jannah?

Edited January 22, 2017 by Hassan Y

[Fahad Sani]

18 hours ago, P. Ease said:

By the way, look at how Ameer ul mumineen (a.s.) treated her after she personally waged a war against him.... nothing but respect and honour.

Exactly. This was the path of Imam Ali a.s and this should also be the attitude of shias of Imam Ali a.s.

I am not denying any fact. Battle of Jamal was the major mistake of  her life. She herself has confessed that and had repented for the same many times. But accountability is on Allah swt to take, not on us. As only He knows everything in true sense, including the intentions etc.This is my view as per sunnah of Ali a.s. I know many shias are following the same but majority is not following Imam ALi a.s in this matter particularly. I have seen many shias including scholars who consider all those narrations from shia books which say Imam Ali a.s never did takfir etc of his opponents as either fabrications or as under taqqiyah. In other words they are teaching their own Imam that at this time you was under taqqiyah.

Those who deny her mistakes/sins and consider her like an infallible in one extreme. Likewise those who abuse, curse, mock and do slander on her and even call her kafir or hypocrite is other extreme. Both these approaches are contrary to attitude of Imam ALi a.s and of his true shias of that times.

This thread is about those among twelver shia who are involved in such extreme activity and are against the opinion of Imam Ali a.s.

Here are few examples of such extreme shias.

Sheikh Muhammad Tahir Al Qumi al Shirazi about Aisha:

[What has been reported on the shortcomings of the enemies of  Ahlulbayt (a.s) that evidences upon the Imamah of our twelve Imams  (a.s) is that Aisha is a kafirah deserving of hellfire. It is a  necessity of the reality of our religion and the reality of our twelve  Imams (a.s), because all those who profess by the caliphate of the  three (Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman) believes that she was a believer and  honors and respects her, while all those who profess by Imamate of the  twelve Imams (a.s) profess by her being deserving of la'nah and Allah  (swt)'s punishment. So when her being like that is established, the point is proven, because no one claims a separation (of Aisha from the  issue).

As for the evidence of her being deserving of la'nah and Allah (swt)'s punishment, so indeed she waged war against Imam Ali (a.s) and there are mutawatir ahadith from the Prophet (saw) said "one who wars  against you (i.e. Ali) wars against me.", and there is no doubt  warring against the Prophet (saw) is kufr. Source: Kitab al Arba'een. Pg. # 615 - 616.]

Khomiene's view is also contrary to Imam Ali a.s.
http://www.khomainy.com/arkho/articles-161.html

Here is one more from Nader Zaveri's website.
http://www.revivingalislam.com/2012/01/how-evil-are-those-who-fought-ali.html

 

Decide yourself who is on the path of Imam ALi a.s and who is opposing him.

Ibn Tareef from Ibn Alwan from Imam Jafar ibn Sadiq from his Father  from Ali (alaihi salam) who said about those who fought against him:  "We don’t fight with them due to their takfir, and don’t fight with  them due to their takfir of us. But we see that we are upon truth, and  they see that they are upon truth." [Bihar al-Anwar 32/324, No. 297]  

 Imam Jafar as-Sadiq a.s said:

“Ali didn't attribute anyone from those who fought against him to  shirk or hypocrisy, but he said: “The are our brothers, which rebel  against us”. [Bihar al-Anwar 32/324, No. 298]

Same narrations are also there in ahlul sunnah books with slight chang  in words. They are narrated with tawatur.

Imam Ali a.s said: She has the same respect afterwards as she had  earlier, and the  accountability is on Allah to take. (Nahjul balagha)

[Fahad Sani]

Question.

Why Allah swt forbid marrying to wives of Prophet s.a.w.w? Whats the reason/logic behind that?

And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you  to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. [Ahzab 53]

Any thoughts.

Edited January 22, 2017 by Fahad Sani

[Pearl3112]

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 0:07 PM, Fahad Sani said:

Question.

Why Allah swt forbid marrying to wives of Prophet s.a.w.w? Whats the reason/logic behind that?

And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you  to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. [Ahzab 53]

Any thoughts.

Brother u seem very much knowledgeable plz explain 

And yes please I have one more question for u 

Mother of believers : so much respect for her so much Love that u argue u fight  

But the lady who is not just mother of believers  But mother of this kaynat ,mother of the imam (as) because of whom u have Islam still alive I.e imam Hussain (as) ,wife of that great imam who is the richest in whole world imam whose greatness u just wrote quoting nehjul balagah, mother of that imam (ajtf) the awaited one who is Allah's last hujjat as, only daughter of that prophet Saw who is last prophet of Lord and most loved one of Allah ,no pain no respect for that lady? Why is her grave in that condition ? Why is she not given respect to as much as respect paid to Mrs ayesha ? Why still there is confusion about fidak ? Why nobody agrees the crime ummat did against the purest lady (sa )   She is the one who was mazloom when she was alive and is still mazloom even after 1000 of yes  To death 

U feel disgusted by just lanat on Mrs ayesha have u ever thought of my imam ajtf in accultation how he must have felt every moment watching her jaddey majida (sa) kabr 

U know how we feel 

       And u r ri8  Shias must obey and follow Ali as and 12 imams and we do And we also follow prophet first

Likewise Sunnis and wahabis follow prophet sww So u really think prophet sww would love watching his daughters grave in that situation ? 

Or else u People follow ur calliphs Which directly indicates what ur caliphs did by looking at all actions Against bibi (sa )of today's ummat         

Prophet (saww) never ever did injustice prophet never ever I'll treated anybody

But his sunni and wahabi followers illtreatS prophets daughter don't pay respect to his daughter but undoubtedly fight and argue for  Mother ayesha

     Great brother               

[Fahad Sani]

On 1/28/2017 at 11:02 AM, Pearl3112 said:

Brother u seem very much knowledgeable plz explain 

And yes please I have one more question for u 

Mother of believers : so much respect for her so much Love that u argue u fight  

But the lady who is not just mother of believers  But mother of this kaynat ,mother of the imam (as) because of whom u have Islam still alive I.e imam Hussain (as) ,wife of that great imam who is the richest in whole world imam whose greatness u just wrote quoting nehjul balagah, mother of that imam (ajtf) the awaited one who is Allah's last hujjat as, only daughter of that prophet Saw who is last prophet of Lord and most loved one of Allah ,no pain no respect for that lady? Why is her grave in that condition ? Why is she not given respect to as much as respect paid to Mrs ayesha ? Why still there is confusion about fidak ? Why nobody agrees the crime ummat did against the purest lady (sa )   She is the one who was mazloom when she was alive and is still mazloom even after 1000 of yes  To death 

U feel disgusted by just lanat on Mrs ayesha have u ever thought of my imam ajtf in accultation how he must have felt every moment watching her jaddey majida (sa) kabr 

U know how we feel 

       And u r ri8  Shias must obey and follow Ali as and 12 imams and we do And we also follow prophet first

Likewise Sunnis and wahabis follow prophet sww So u really think prophet sww would love watching his daughters grave in that situation ? 

Or else u People follow ur calliphs Which directly indicates what ur caliphs did by looking at all actions Against bibi (sa )of today's ummat         

Prophet (saww) never ever did injustice prophet never ever I'll treated anybody

But his sunni and wahabi followers illtreatS prophets daughter don't pay respect to his daughter but undoubtedly fight and argue for  Mother ayesha

     Great brother               

No brother, my knowledge is very limited. I am just a layman.

On 1/28/2017 at 11:02 AM, Pearl3112 said:

Question.

Why Allah swt forbid marrying to wives of Prophet s.a.w.w? Whats the reason/logic behind that?

I think, the reason behind prohibition of marriage to wives of Prophet s.a.w.w is that all of His s.a.w.w wives will also be only His s.a.w.w wives in jannah. Which si also evident from Surah Ahzab 52.

Not lawful to you, [O Muhammad], are [any additional] women after  [this], nor [is it] for you to exchange them for [other] wives, even  if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses. And ever is Allah , over all things, an Observer.  [Ahzab 52]

And for your query on Sayed un Nisa Fatimah s.a, she is higher in status/rank than all wives of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w except her own mother. Here are some more virtues of Sayeda Fatima s.a http://www.ahlesunnat.net/media-library/downloads/regularupdates/sayyidafatimahzahrah.htm

I feel disgusted when someone abuses and sends lanah upon wive of Prophet s.a.w.w. But brother no muslim do the same for Sayeda Fatima s.a. It was never done. Neither in the past by sahabah nor after that by muslims. Everyone respect her. As for the case of her blessed grave then its not a disrespect. There are thousands of graves in the same manner in jannat ul baqi of sahabah and of ahlul bayt. And the condition of graves is as per sunnah of Prophet s.a.w.w.  

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27 minutes ago, Fahad Sani said:

No brothir, my knowledge is very lidealited. I am just a layman.

I think, the reason behind prohibition of marriage to wives of Prophet s.a.w.w is that all of His s.a.w.w wives will also be only His s.a.w.w wives in jannah. Which si also evident from Surah Ahzab 52.

Not lawful to you, [O Muhammad], are [any additional] women after  [this], nor [is it] for you to exchange them for [other] wives, even  if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses. And ever is Allah , over all things, an Observer.  [Ahzab 52]

And for your query on Sayed un Nisa Fatimah s.a, she is higher in status/rank than all wives of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w except her own mother. Here are some more virtues of Sayeda Fatima s.a http://www.ahlesunnat.net/media-library/downloads/regularupdates/sayyidafatimahzahrah.htm

I feel disgusted when someone abuses and sends lanah upon wive of Prophet s.a.w.w. But brother no muslim do the same for Sayeda Fatima s.a. It was never done. Neither in the past by sahabah nor after that by muslims. Everyone respect her. As for the case of her blessed grave then its not a disrespect. There are thousands of graves in the same manner in jannat ul baqi of sahabah and of ahlul bayt. And the condition of graves is as per sunnah of Prophet s.a.w.w. 

Really firstly am ur sister brother

And really its no big deal that even Shias want to make it good but we don't get permission

Is it no big dEal to make jannatul bakhi properly is der no need ? R u kidding me 

We are not even allowed to do proper ziyarat of jannatul bakhi there are other graves of ahlulbait as and their families and offcrse how will it matter to anyone ri8 ppl just want their own graves properly maintained I see ppl buying places and paying a lot to maintain it and after death wish to be buried their in graveyard 

My imam ajtf would be crying almost every moment by watching all This 

Ur disgust has no value but my imams ajtf pain and Tears  has One of the most valuable and precious things of universe

And indeed everybody respect her S.a because she is another Name To respect itself respect also pays salutations on bibi sa she haven't ever caused any damage to Islam like Ayesha and her father 

She (sa) is the most pious lady among noors

And if u say Muslims respect her and respected her yes u r ri8 ummat always respected her by killing her son in her womb ,by taking  Away her ri8s ,by not letting her cry for prophet Sww after prophets sww death ,by killing her both sons as who are sardars and leaders of young men of jannat,  .........list is truly endless of respect paid to her amazing I feel to salute on this way of paying respect

And their are many more graves of  Sahabas and ahlulbait  A.s in same  Condition offcrse I know that and its in that condition because ummat have grudges and hatred for ahlulbait (ams) and bibi (sa) not because of prophets sunnah and plz I didn't understood this prophets sunnah wala Part if possible plz elaborate there are my imam (as) grave and that mothers grave who gave maula Ali (as) his replica ummul baneen as ppl just justify things by adding rasools sww sunnat 

  And whatever prophet sww said is sunnat   Right   Then prophet said Jo Ali we bughs rakhe Goya USNR mjhse bughs Kiya or usne khuda she bughs kiya 

Bibi sa said Ali a.s she khule aam dushmani rkhne wala kabhi jannat me in jaskta

 

 

to dil me bughs rkhne wale ka sochskatey    Hai Him

This shows khuda bhi rasool Bhi ayesha ko napasnd rkhtey hai or ayesha in jaskti jannat me I.a illahiammen

 Ahlulbait as ka Enemy we dushamani rkhna bhi to prophet Ki hi sunnat hai ri8 so we are following sunnah of prophet Sww

And one more thing if u say all graves are in that condition

So I can say 3 caliphs and many many more dushmanane ahlulbait (as) get lanat daily so 1 more gets added in it and get lanat how does it make big difference ri8 ?

See m sorry if m getting offensive or humiliating u or hurting u in any manner but u can't be just Bias

If u say lanat to prophets wife is unjust then illtreating prophets daughter (sa) is also unjust

And we not only cry and try to just renovate Bibi (sa) grave but whole jannatul bakhi

Because their are only few graves over which sunlight falls whole day and these graves include bibi fatema sa and bibi ummul baneen sa

And this is not because of prophet sww sunnah. But out of bughs for ahlebait as       

 

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It's astonishing that how some people forget all the evils done by that women throughout her life on Prophet (sawa) and his Ahlulbait (a.s.) but she is mother of believers so clean chit for her.