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13 hours ago, Irfan1214 said:

His fear was because of heavier responsibility and to remind humans that being Prophet is not an easy job because in it happiness of Allah (SWT) is at stake. Read in Quran where it is written that when Allah (SWT) asked Luqman that do you want kingdom, then Luqman said O Allah! do you offer or it is your decree. If you offer me then I do not want kingdom because in a kingdom every unjust act will be attributed to the person who is responsible for the laws.

Just read Quran, dont do guesswork. Its very clearly mentioned.

وَأَنْ أَلْقِ عَصَاكَ ۖ فَلَمَّا رَآهَا تَهْتَزُّ كَأَنَّهَا جَانٌّ وَلَّىٰ مُدْبِرًا وَلَمْ يُعَقِّبْ ۚ يَا مُوسَىٰ أَقْبِلْ وَلَا تَخَفْ ۖ إِنَّكَ مِنَ الْآمِنِينَ

Then Allah commanded, "Throw down your staff." When Musa saw that the staff was writhing like a snake, he turned his back and fled, and did not even look behind. Allah said, "O Musa, come back and do not fear; you are quite safe. [28:31]

Fear of responsibility was also there. Its also mentioned in Quran somewhere else.

Point is fear not the reason. And its human nature nothing wrong in it.

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Just now, Fahad Sani said:

Just read Quran, dont do guesswork. Its very clearly mentioned.

وَأَنْ أَلْقِ عَصَاكَ ۖ فَلَمَّا رَآهَا تَهْتَزُّ كَأَنَّهَا جَانٌّ وَلَّىٰ مُدْبِرًا وَلَمْ يُعَقِّبْ ۚ يَا مُوسَىٰ أَقْبِلْ وَلَا تَخَفْ ۖ إِنَّكَ مِنَ الْآمِنِينَ

Then Allah commanded, "Throw down your staff." When Musa saw that the staff was writhing like a snake, he turned his back and fled, and did not even look behind. Allah said, "O Musa, come back and do not fear; you are quite safe. [28:31]

Fear of responsibility was also there. Its also mentioned in Quran somewhere else.

Point is fear not the reason. And its human nature nothing wrong in it.

Prophets are humans but not like us brother. Much more stronger mentally and physically. Do not compare ordinary humans with Prophets read in Quran what it says that "Do you think Prophet PBUHHP is human like you".

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Mutah and the root word for its usage in most ayas means " enjoyment / what you reap benefit  for a period of time."

You can have enjoyment / reap benefit for specific time with this world and its entertainment. This too is muta as it wont last forever.

You can have enjoyment/ reap time bound benefit with a lady.

And many more. The word enjoyment is not limited to only one thing. Anything you enjoy or benefit from for a short limited time is called mutah.

Enjoying your last favorite dish before death is also a muta. As you wont be able to reap any more benefit from eating or enjoying that food in this world anymore .

 

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13 hours ago, Irfan1214 said:

Prophets are humans but not like us brother. Much more stronger mentally and physically. Do not compare ordinary humans with Prophets read in Quran what it says that "Do you think Prophet PBUHHP is human like you".

When did I say they are like us. Again guesswork.

They are human in nature but their status/rank is very superior. Or we can say they are unique humans with special attributes.

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Just now, Fahad Sani said:

When did I say they are like us. Again guesswork.

They are human in nature but their status/rank is very superior. Or we can say they are unique humans with special attributes.

Yeah special in attributes and God fearing men, If Moses would have been afraid of something except Allah, he would have been afraid of Firqoon and his huge army, so do not say a thing about which you are not entirely sure that whether his fear was for snake or because of heavier responsibility. I do not think that Moses said that he feared Snake but Allah.

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13 minutes ago, Irfan1214 said:

Prophets are humans but not like us brother. Much more stronger mentally and physically. Do not compare ordinary humans with Prophets read in Quran what it says that "Do you think Prophet PBUHHP is human like you".

Brother, Prophets are humans like us meaning , they too eat, sleep, mate, have emotions like us. How ever they are unlike us, because they worked hard to keep themselves pure, and used their intelligence more than we do.

They did not follow the majority. They thought deeply for themselves.

I too say that Musa got scared and wanted to run a way from the massive snake, it was his first encounter of a scary miracle.

Prophet Yusuf was about to commit adultery but in the Quran it says We showed him something and stopped him, and Prophet Yusuf blames himself not Shaitan for almost committing such an act!

And he was already a prophet then ! 

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2 minutes ago, certainclarity said:

Brother, Prophets are humans like us meaning , they too eat, sleep, mate, have emotions like us. How ever they are unlike us, because they worked hard to keep themselves pure, and used their intelligence more than we do.

They did not follow the majority. They thought deeply for themselves.

I too say that Musa got scared and wanted to run a way from the massive snake, it was his first encounter of a scary miracle.

Prophet Yusuf was about to commit adultery but in the Quran it says We showed him something and stopped him, and Prophet Yusuf blames himself not Shaitan for almost committing such an act!

And he was already a prophet then ! 

Wrong again, certain clarity, Imam Ali a.s said when it was asked that why did Prophet Moses feared when he killed a man from Firoun's nation. Imam said that his fear was not because of Firoun's army but because of the fact that if he confront Firoun, the people of firoun may not harm Bani Israel to hurt him. 

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15 minutes ago, Irfan1214 said:

Wrong again, certain clarity, Imam Ali a.s said when it was asked that why did Prophet Moses feared when he killed a man from Firoun's nation. Imam said that his fear was not because of Firoun's army but because of the fact that if he confront Firoun, the people of firoun may not harm Bani Israel to hurt him. 

Brother, These are two separate ayas and instances. The aya in hand is about the massive snake. That hadith which you mentioned is about another  verse in the Quran, nothing got to do with this verse.

The aya you mentioned is another instance of Musa when he killed a person from firouns nation.

When musa talked to God for the first time, he wasn't even a prophet yet. After that first talk with God he was missioned as a prophet.

If prophets have no fear no grief and no way to make mistakes like humans do, how was prophet Yusuf about to commit adultery????

He was already a prophet then, unlike Moses when he first talks with God, he has still not received the prophecy from God yet.After that he receives prophecy.

This is what Yusuf said to himself when he was about to commit a sin:

Quran:

"And I do not make myself free of blame, for the soul is inclined to sin, except that which my Lord has mercy upon. My Lord is Forgiving, Merciful." ( 12:53)

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4 hours ago, ErikCartman said:

Dudes! be realistic for heaven sake, I have repeated multiple times, Humans are so tiny and weak, that they can't 'tolerate' this kind of super natural incident ... even if this was the case

hmm, how about humans that witnessed Ibrahim a.s walk out of the fire. Or moses a.s do his miracles and Jesus a.s...

would you say they arent realistic?

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18 minutes ago, kirtc said:

hmm, how about humans that witnessed Ibrahim a.s walk out of the fire. Or moses a.s do his miracles and Jesus a.s...

would you say they arent realistic?

You are talking of the period, when witchcraft was so common, that even kids had mastered it.

what I am saying, even Miracles do take place in 21st Century but they are now very subtle..... since you lack the knowledge on the subject, I regret I can't elaborate further, no offense intended. 

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7 hours ago, sidnaq said:

Asalamualaikum its 2017, how close are we to the Imam atfs, i mean what are the signs that are left for his reappearance, and how can we cause his reappearance to come faster?

Salam.. 

There are gay couples adopting children. Satanic musicians with no talent making hundreds of millions of dollars while ordinary people slave night and day just to pay rent. 

Shia are being persecuted all over the globe. The west see Iran as their main enemy while isis beheads muslims and non muslims. Syria is in flames. 

The world is dividing into two poles.. east and west. Usa is deploying nato tanks all over Russia's border. Yemen, iraq, and syria are all being attacked for the sake of israel. Soon their saudi wahhabi dogs in Syria are going to disappear and when they have no more options. Like a cornered dog it will attack. 

While sunnis will help the attack on the shia and some shia will be watching cartoons, there will be a big war for palestine. Iran vs israel... a fight that will end this cancer of zionism which is the root of all oppression. When that war starts be sure the Mahdi a.s is near. 

We need more shia to be aware and pray for his coming. When our call is loud enough I believe he will come. But sadly so many shia have no idea what is what and probably still aiming for a shot on american idol.. 

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2 hours ago, certainclarity said:

Brother, These are two separate ayas and instances. The aya in hand is about the massive snake. That hadith which you mentioned is about another  verse in the Quran, nothing got to do with this verse.

The aya you mentioned is another instance of Musa when he killed a person from firouns nation.

When musa talked to God for the first time, he wasn't even a prophet yet. After that first talk with God he was missioned as a prophet.

If prophets have no fear no grief and no way to make mistakes like humans do, how was prophet Yusuf about to commit adultery????

He was already a prophet then, unlike Moses when he first talks with God, he has still not received the prophecy from God yet.After that he receives prophecy.

This is what Yusuf said to himself when he was about to commit a sin:

Quran:

"And I do not make myself free of blame, for the soul is inclined to sin, except that which my Lord has mercy upon. My Lord is Forgiving, Merciful." ( 12:53)

Brother, I have already read your comments about Imams, I do not think that you belong to shia faith and it seems that you are more inclined towards other brothers in Faith when someone named truesunni Id asked you about belief in Imams and you told him that Imams reach to higher status not that they are on high status. So, at that time I understood that you do not believe in the verse which says that We took oath from all the prophets to tell your nations about coming Prophet PBUHHP. In your faith, Prophet PBUHHP was raised to Prophethood but in our faith Prophethood was created Prophet as said by Quran. So, similarly we believe more in Our Imams than wrong interpretations of ordinary humans. 

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1 hour ago, ErikCartman said:

You are talking of the period, when witchcraft was so common, that even kids had mastered it.

what I am saying, even Miracles do take place in 21st Century but they are now very subtle..... since you lack the knowledge on the subject, I regret I can't elaborate further, no offense intended. 

Erikcartman when Imam Mehdi a.s will arrive you will see miracles happening :) wait for the time. Time does not matter for God.

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@Irfan1214

You are correct. I cannot claim my self to be Shia, as claiming or calling oneself shia would be a lie if I dont go by the definition of who a shia is provided by the Ahlul bayt.

Therefore I am just an admirer of Ahlul bayt.

I will provide you with hadiths of what is the definition of Shia. 

If you fall into this definition by the ahlul bayt provided, I am very glad for you.

I cannot claim such a title yet as I will be held accountable by the Imam calling my self shia:

Hadith:

Imam al-Hasan (AS) said in answer to a man who said to him, ‘Verily I am one of your Shi`aa’, ‘O `Aabdallah, if you are truly obedient to us in our commands and prohibitions, then you are telling the truth. But if not, then do not add to your sins by falsely CLAIMING  such a ***DIGNIFIED POSITION that you are not worthy of. DO NOT SAY , " I am one of your Shi`aa’, but say rather, ‘I am one of your adherents and one of your lovers and an enemy to your enemies.’ You are [doing] good and aiming towards good.’

[Tanbih al-Khawatir, v. 2, p. 106] 

 

You can judge yourself according to this hadith.

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3 minutes ago, certainclarity said:

@Irfan1214

You are correct. I cannot claim my self to be Shia, as claiming or calling oneself shia would be a lie if I dont go the definition of who a shia is provided by the Ahlul bayt.

Therefore I sm just sn admirer of Ahlul bayt.

I will provide you with hadiths of what is the definition of Shia. 

If you fall into this definition by the ahlul bayt provide, I am very glad for you.

I cannot claim such a title yet as I will be held accountable by the Imam calling my self shia:

Hadith:

Imam al-Hasan (AS) said in answer to a man who said to him, ‘Verily I am one of your Shi`aa’, ‘O `Aabdallah, if you are truly obedient to us in our commands and prohibitions, then you are telling the truth. But if not, then do not add to your sins by falsely CLAIMING  such a ***DIGNIFIED POSITION that you are not worthy of. DO NOT SAY , " I am one of your Shi`aa’, but say rather, ‘I am one of your adherents and one of your lovers and an enemy to your enemies.’ You are [doing] good and aiming towards good.’

[Tanbih al-Khawatir, v. 2, p. 106] 

 

You can judge yourself according to this hadith.

lolz, If you are adherent of Imams then you should believe in Quran and do not say that Imam rose to higher status but say that they are chosen and were highest in morals. It is not fitting for an adherent to lower the status of one who is already termed as perfect. By saying he was raised and showing that he was lower before and become higher later and that he did mistakes first but learnt later on. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Irfan1214 said:

lolz, If you are adherent of Imams then you should believe in Quran and do not say that Imam rose to higher status but say that they are chosen and were highest in morals.

 

I said I am an admirer. Can you claim you are a Shia infront of an Imam, according to this Hadith?

I know I cannot.

Regardless the topic was about Moses and being afraid of the massive snake.

Both Sunni and Shia agree that although Prophet Yusuf was a prophet and he was about to commit a  sin, plus prophet Yunus was punished by God for showing his displeasure to God for forgiving the nation, so God imprisons him in the stomach of a huge fish, and God says if Prophet Yunus did not ask for forgiveness, he would have kept prophet Yunus in the stomach of the fish till day of judgement!

This act of a prophet is not fear of God but showing displeasure of God's command! 

Anyway, to each its own.

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7 minutes ago, certainclarity said:

I said I am an admirer. Can you claim you are a Shia infront of an Imam, according to this Hadith?

I know I cannot.

Regardless the topic was about Moses and being afraid of the massive snake.

Both Sunni and Shia agree that although Prophet Yusuf was a prophet and he was about to commit a  sin, plus prophet Yunus was punished by God for showing his displeasure to God for forgiving the nation, so God imprisons him in the stomach of a huge fish, and God says if Prophet Yunus did not ask for forgiveness, he would have kept prophet Yunus in the stomach of the fish till day of judgement!

This act of a prophet is not fear of God but showing displeasure of God's command! 

Anyway, to each its own.

lolz, who says that Yusuf was about to commit sin ? Zulheka wanted to commit sin and Yousuf seek refuge from her and Asked Allah (SWT) about help.

I do not call myself a shia but a lover or a beggar who is full of sins and whose hope in Ahle bait for intercession. 

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1 hour ago, Irfan1214 said:

lolz, who says that Yusuf was about to commit sin ? Zulheka wanted to commit sin and Yousuf seek refuge from her and Asked Allah (SWT) about help.

I do not call myself a shia but a lover or a beggar who is full of sins and whose hope in Ahle bait for intercession. 

He seeked refuge to God due to his faith, but then Zulykha first wanted to commit the sin, prophet Yusuf did not, but ***he got inclined to her after wards *** according to the Quran and Shia tafseers!

Quran:

She desired him, and ***he desired her*** had he not seen the proof of his Lord. ***It was thus that We DIVERTED evil and INDECENCY AWAY from HIM.*** He was one of Our loyal servants. (12:24)

I am not aware if you can read farsi or arabic but their tafseers are available by various scholars and including hadiths from Imam Jafar as- Sadiq that God showed him a sign when he got inclined and God averted him from evil.

Here are the shia sources, if you can read Farsi or Arabic from welknown shia scholars.

http://wiki.ahlolbait.com/آیه_24_سوره_یوسف

And alot more.

Plus what about prophet Yunus who got punished by God!???

A prophet being punished in the stomach of a fish for years!!!

Anyway, there are lots of shia tafseers on the verses you pointed, but unfortunately mainly in farsi or arabic.

This verse is explained like this in tafseer al-mizan in farsi! 

Anyway, Lets not derail the topic and check the Shia tafseers on these ayas for ourselves.

All the best.

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[Shakir 12:24] And certainly she made for him, and he would have made for her, were it not that he had seen the manifest evidence of his Lord; thus (it was) that We might turn away from him evil and indecency, surely he was one of Our sincere servants.

Due think that WIki-Islam is a source from which Shia knowledge is derived. Secondly, there are many fake Shia interpretations.

This is Aqa Mehdi Poya's Commentary:

Yusuf son of Yaqub was a very beautiful youth. The truth, which Yusuf, the prophet of Allah, saw in his vision, was unpalatable to his half-brothers, who plotted against him and sold him into slavery to a merchant for a few pieces of silver. Yusuf was taken by the merchant into Egypt, was bought by a great Egyptian court dignitary, Aziz. The beauty of Yusuf was so irresistible that the dignitary's wife fell in love with him on first sight and sought to entice Yusuf to the delights of earthly love, but Yusuf, a faithful servant of Allah and His prophet, did not yield to the temptation. His self-control and faith in Allah could not be shaken just for the pleasure of a fleeting moment. He preferred the misery of imprisonment to the disgrace he would have to face if he had succumbed to the lure of Shaytan.

Now my note:

As you can see that in the above verse it is said that if Prophet Yousuf were not a Prophet who knows clear evidence of Allah and seen manifest evidence he would have erred and that means that if there had been another person who is not that near to God would have fallen prey. 

Secondly you narrated About Hazrat Yonus a.s who was taken into the belly of Fish. It was not because of Punishment and nor his Dhikr was because he did mistake, The astagfar which a Prophet does is actually for the Ummah, that is why Allah (SWT) says that ask for the forgiveness of your nation. Tell me what was the deed which made Allah (SWT) to punish that Prophet, although I believe that there was another reason behind his hiding into the belly of fish. I am sure that you will find nothing as a mistake of that Prophet PBUH upon which you can base the argument and point out that it was "this mistake".

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@Irfan1214

Brother, I think you did not read further of the commentry of pouya ,in the part of the aya that talks about God preventing it to happen:

"The wife of the high official, Zulaykha, tried to seduce him. She desired him very much. As Yusuf was one of Allah's chosen devotees, He enabled him to avert both evil and lechery from himself. "

 

What was the prophet Yunus imprisoned for in the stomach of a fish? Maybe a reward? Or more of a test to see if he will repent?

Infact God says he was worthy te be blamed!

Quran:

Thus a whale swallowed him, and **he was blame worthy**

This is from the source you choose for tafseer Agha Pouya;

Dhun-nun, "the man of the fish", is the title of prophet Yunus.
Yunus' mission was to the city of Nineveh, then steeped in wickedness. The people rejected him. ***He departed in anger without the permission of his Lord, so his departure is described as if a slave runs away from captivity.***The cause of anger Yunus felt was the disobedience of his people who did not respond to his preaching, so Allah tested him by putting him in the belly of a huge fish.


He boarded a fully laden boat which met stormy weather. The sailors, thinking that the ill-luck was caused by some fugitive, wanted to discover him by casting lots. The lot fell on Yunus, so they took up him and cast him forth into the sea.

A great fish swallowed up Yunus. He was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. When he was engulfed with the darkness of the night, the sea and the belly of the fish, ****he cried to his Lord and accepted the fact that he should have not gone away in anger breaking off from his people, though they refused to believe in him and Allah.***


Then he prayed unto the Lord through the depths of darkness in the fish's belly: "There is no god but You. Glory be to you. I am indeed of the unjust." (Anbiya: 87).
By the command of Allah the fish vomited out him upon the dry land. He was in a state of sickness. Allah caused to grow gourd plant there whose large leaves he used to protect his body from the hot sun, flies and other insects which were preying on his wounded body. Then he was commanded to return to the city of Nineveh. The people repented and believed, and Nineveh got a new lease of life.
The spiritual force of the prayer- "There is no god but Thou. Glory be to Thee. Verily I have been of the wrong-doers"-has been confirmed by the Holy Prophet and the holy Imams.

***All the prophets of Allah were aware of the fact that every human being is likely to make mistakes and it is Allah alone who can save him from wrong-doing, so every one of them always prayed to Allah that he might keep himself away from mistakes.*** - Agha Pouya

http://www.islamportal.net/sites/default/files/shiabook_Downloadable_File/Commentary of the Holy Qur'an - Pooya M.A. Ali.pdf

Anyway I shall not derail the thread anymore.

To the OP, lets try our best to reform ourselves. Whether 2017 or beyond. This is what the Imam would be pleased about!

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10 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Nobody knows but Allah (swt), it is foolishness in my opinion to speculate on this hidden knowledge. The only thing we can do is devote ourselves and do dhikr as we prepare, no?

 

oh no , if my question is wrong, should i have the thread deleted?

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39 minutes ago, certainclarity said:

@Irfan1214

no problem, I prefer the tafseer from Al-Mizan by Alameh Tababai it sounds more logical to me.

It just doesn't seem God to put his prophet in the belly of a fish for the sin his nation !

 

I do not think that an Alim like Ayotullah Tabataba'i would say that it could be another way round that Allah  (SWT ) wanted to make his nation realize what a gem they missed and when they had fully realized, Allah  (SWT ) made him known. It's same as Imam e zamana's occultation. I believe that you are comment about Allama Tabataba'i are your own invention and not his remarks as you failed to tell me prophet's mistake :)

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11 minutes ago, sidnaq said:

oh no , if my question is wrong, should i have the thread deleted?

I don't think so, but that is completely up to you. It's good to ask questions, no how stupid or wrong. If you didn't ask questions, you wouldn't know that to speculate on the return of the Mahdi (as) is wrong.

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4 minutes ago, Irfan1214 said:

I do not think that an Alim like Ayotullah Tabataba'i would say that it could be another way round that Allah  (SWT ) wanted to make his nation realize what a gem they missed and when they had fully realized, Allah  (SWT ) made him known. It's same as Imam e zamana's occultation. I believe that you are comment about Allama Tabataba'i are your own invention and not his remarks as you failed to tell me prophet's mistake :)

No problem you can learn farsi and read it for yourself then, and read the commentry of pouya on prophet Yunus where he says all can make mistakes and Yunus was asking forgiveness for his anger ! Lol

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1 minute ago, certainclarity said:

No problem you can learn farsi and read it for yourself then. 

hahahahaha, yeah I trust that My Ulema's are more intelligent than me, I will refer to you when I read farsi and reveal that you are mistaken :)

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