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How imamate wouldn't abolish concept of nubuwah?

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2 hours ago, Curious Sunni Man said:

Assalamoalaykum Wa Rahmahtollah, Just a short question.. How did Imamates wouldn't abolish the concept of Prophethood?

Note: Im not looking for debates, but i'm just curious w/ the Imamate issue. Thank you :D

Wa alykum Salam

This is just for your information not for debate purpose:

Whoever is in contact with God, and gets orders from him is a nabi
And if one is assigned to do a specific task
This act is called Be-esat بعثت
Like the one time Be-esat of the crow from God,
 for Qabeel (Cane, prophet Adam's son)
فَبَعَثَ اللَّهُ غُرَابًا - مائده31

And if someone is sent to one person or more in a mission from God, he is called rasool
Imamat is another title, case or stage,
but is not higher than Nobowat (being nabi) per se.

Because if there is no Nobowat (being nabi), a person cannot become aware of the divine laws,
and as a result of obeying the laws, reaches the status of Resalat (prophetic mission).
Whether this nobowat is for oneself,for close to kin, for a city, the residential area of that person or even the whole world, or whether it is a Resalat for the whole world.
What has been mentioned above, is the stages in the hierarchy of being a missioner from God.

First, we become nabi then we will be sent to guide others, which means we become Rasool (messenger).
If the message is for the whole world, the status of that messenger is called "Olel-Azm" (Master of determination).

So the hierarcy from the first to the last is:
Nabi , Rasool (messenger), Olel Azm.
Hence the "Shariat" (laws) is received by the nabi, rasool,and nazeer (warner/glad tiding) and acts according to shariat.

After a person has passed certain exams, he may become an imam (leader), which includes other responsibilities, in continuation of the path of nabi and rasool,
but it does not mean that the status of Imamat (leadership) is higher than nabi and rasool.
The Torah of Musa (A.S) was an Imam (Leader) [11:17 - 46:12].
The Quran is also an Imam (Leader) [36:12]

The Messenger (pbuh) also reached the stage of Imamat (Leadership)
Ali (a.s) and his eleven offsprings (a.s) also reached the stage of Imamat.

Ibrahim (a.s)also, along with some of his off springs became Imam [2:124]
As a matter of fact , according to the Quranic verse, regarding Ibrahim (a.s) Imamat is an oath, but Resalat is to introduce everything for all.

Even an Imam has to act under the laws which the nabi and rasool has expressed and within the same framework and acting according to those laws, has reached this stage.
Also, Imamat and Imam is someone who is determined only by God.

So the position of Imamat and the word Imam is related to God,like the word Nabi and Rasool.

Hence it is not our choice to state who is an Imam.

God also says it is us who make/produce جعل an imam.

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Because Muhammad (saws) was the seal of the nubuwah and Allah’s (swt) message and religion had been perfected for us by the time of Ghadir Khumm, when the last ayah (5:3) was revealed. 

The Imamah could not abolish the Nubuwah, because by then the  nubuwah had sealed and the imamah served an entirely different purpose of acting as safeguards of the revealed truth of Islam.

Plus, whereas prophethood came with a new divine message from Allah ( swt )  and sometimes a book,  the imamate preserved the sanctified truth and gave spiritual and social guidance to the Ummah. 

It is more like the Khilafah than the Nubuwah, except divinely appointed and only from the Ahlulbayt (as). Whereas the Khilafah was political, the Imamate was spiritual.  It is a mistake to believe that Imams (as) were revealed a new message.  It's an divinely appointed role of leadership. 

^That's how I understand it. 

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55 minutes ago, Curious Sunni Man said:

Thank you for the replies, And 1more question.. Is it necessarily to say "Wa ashadun Aliyyun waliyullah" to become a true Muslim, by your perspective. And do the early Companion of The Prophet do that also to express their acceptance to the "True Islam"?

Did the Ashab of that time knew the verse: "Allah is your Wali and Muhammad is your wali and those who have authority". This is Kalima which proves that Imam Ali a.s was third part of Kalima who has authority. :) God bless you 

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1 hour ago, Curious Sunni Man said:

And 1more question.. Is it necessarily to say "Wa ashadun Aliyyun waliyullah" to become a true Muslim, by your perspective.

Well, it's not mandatory but it is recommended. However, you should read the last comment in this thread.

Otherwise the shahada is exactly same   for both the Sunnis and Shias. 


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